Alderney is part of Liberty City

[The Journey]

1 hour ago, TaylorSwiftDies2038 said:

 

Ugh, I hate the geography of Red Dead Redemption II. So many inconsistencies. Like how the hell is Saint-Denis supposed to operate as this major port when it's landlocked? Where the hell does the Mexico-USA Border end? Where's the rest of Texas? Why are Arizona and New Mexico so awkwardly mashed together with California so close by? Why is Tall Trees/Big Valley some awkward mix of California and Colorado? Why is Lemoyne and a Mississippi stand-in state so close to the Mexican border? The cartographers in the sky got drunk here.

 

God it's a mess. I wonder what their RDR universe map of Red Dead Redemption North America looks like, I'd love to see it.

Just go with it. It’s just supposed to be the West and the South in 1899 so it mashes up all these regions for the vibe. Same reason GTA maps are islands for the feeling of freedom.
 

I always thought that the land south of Saint Denis is really just a big bayou that goes into the Gulf anyways. But at the same time you can see the mountains of Colorado from the bayous of Louisiana in RDR2, and New Hanover is literally Nebraska and West Virginia smashed together so just don’t think about the geography too too much

Edited March 13, 2024 by The Journey

[The Tracker]

On 3/12/2024 at 11:29 AM, cant remember said:

IIRC RDR2 also has something similar. The chapter 3 camp is supposedly by a lake. It's called a lake on the map and the characters call it a lake, but it's kind of also the Gulf of Mexico at the same time.

 

I'd say Flat Iron Lake is just a fictional lake something about the size of the Great Lakes, but that happens to be in the South/West in RDR universe. I mean it is landlocked, so it can't be a Gulf. 

 

16 hours ago, The Journey said:

Just go with it. It’s just supposed to be the West and the South in 1899 so it mashes up all these regions for the vibe. Same reason GTA maps are islands for the feeling of freedom.
 

I always thought that the land south of Saint Denis is really just a big bayou that goes into the Gulf anyways. But at the same time you can see the mountains of Colorado from the bayous of Louisiana in RDR2, and New Hanover is literally Nebraska and West Virginia smashed together so just don’t think about the geography too too much

 

If with West Virginia you mean Roanoke Ridge, I disagree, the eastern part of New Hanover is definitely based off Arkansas Ozarks. 

Edited March 13, 2024 by The Tracker

[universetwisters]

18 hours ago, TaylorSwiftDies2038 said:

I wonder what their RDR universe map of Red Dead Redemption North America looks like, I'd love to see it.

I wouldn't!!! It sounds awful!!!!!!!!

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

7 hours ago, The Tracker said:

 

I'd say Flat Iron Lake is just a fictional lake something about the size of the Great Lakes, but that happens to be in the South/West in RDR universe. I mean it is landlocked, so it can't be a Gulf. 

 

 

If with West Virginia you mean Roanoke Ridge, I disagree, the eastern part of New Hanover is definitely based off Arkansas Ozarks. 

 

Yeah, Roanoke Ridge is almost certainly supposed to be Arkansas. Apparently Arkansas had a booming coal industry at the time.

[The Journey]

On 3/14/2024 at 12:11 AM, TaylorSwiftDies2038 said:

 

Yeah, Roanoke Ridge is almost certainly supposed to be Arkansas. Apparently Arkansas had a booming coal industry at the time.

Southern part looks like Arkansas but the northern part looks more “northern”, like Kentucky or West Virginia.

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

On 3/15/2024 at 1:42 PM, The Journey said:

Southern part looks like Arkansas but the northern part looks more “northern”, like Kentucky or West Virginia.

 

Most likely it's supposed to be Missouri. The Ozarks run into Missouri and it's a fairly northern state.

 

You might be onto something with the Kentucky connection though. The Murfree Brood are loosely inspired by the Boone Helm gang; Boone Helm was an infamous outlaw originally from Kentucky who was known to consume human flesh for pleasure and his actions were very reminiscent of the Murfree gang in Red Dead Redemption.

[SourHaze]

On 3/4/2024 at 9:26 AM, Jeansowaty said:

What we have seen of Alderney is definitely not the whole state, only a small part of it based on areas not far away from NYC. Rockstar has quite condensed a lot of eastern Jersey into what we see but not entirely, it's like they took the vague shape and hammered landmarks and references from various areas in there. Westdyke is a mix of Englewood, Weehawken and Secaucus literally while Berchem has less of Hoboken than it's given credit for ngl. Acter Industrial is based partially on industrial areas of Linden, NJ and my assumption is that this area canonically is nearby, to the west or south kinda, but we simply haven't seen it because the game doesn't include it. Similar to how in CTW there is no Hickey Bridge or actual entrance to the Booth Tunnel yet we know Alderney DOES exist, it just isn't part of the game. Most likely what we see is just one county of Alderney, I once read some headcanon about it being called Guernsey County which is both a reference to GTA1, the other island the reason why the Pegorino mob is nicknamed the Guernsey Crew or something at times.

 

I'm a bit against altering landmasses that are already established so I would not connect territory to the existing ones, but what we see as the ocean is merely a boundary and in reality it's just a river. Mostly thinking of how New Jersey is divided by Hackensack and Passaic rivers and this is why we take Aiden to cliffs in Leftwood. They DO exist and there is water nearby, but it's not an ocean as we see in-game, merely a thick river overlooking further townships.

 

In a similar vein I assume there is more to Bohan north of the abandoned dockside we see but also separated by a river. Less realistic, sure, but I don't think they would demolish this beach area there in favor of attaching more land to it. But, they could have some creative liberty when it comes to bridges to be honest. One of them being the unfinished bridge in South Bohan/Industrial, but I wonder how it would actually go along the rest of the island. Kinda funny, but hey, V does mention a zoo in Bohan that might be up north, who knows. Something similar probably is a thing with a furthermore extended Dukes or even Broker, which ends on the Beachgate tip where Faustin lives but it's a dead end road that could be perhaps extended. Shame that Rockstar hasn't done what RDR did by adding unreachable areas, even some compromise could be done with the helicopters, make the engine fail the moment you reach the boundaries of the map and you crash or something.

 That would be the famous Bronx Zoo I grew up in the neighborhood and am an avid Gta 4 fan and never knew a zoo was mentioned in bohan

[E Revere]

Not sure why people often fail to grasp that GTA games often have erroneous sociocultural or administrative implications because they're video games where developmental challenges limit their proper expression. The explanation for why there are LC cars, plates and such in Alderney is obviously because they didn't want to spend time developing separate assets just for one section of the map. What's so mysterious about that? You can't draw any conclusions from it.

 

That being said, the IRL New York Metropolitan Area transcends the boundaries between New York State and New Jersey. The same case is very likely for GTA IV's map.

Edited April 12 by E Revere