Alderney is part of Liberty City

[The Journey]

I think Alderney is part of Liberty City, it uses Liberty City license plates, LCPD, and the Port Authority of Liberty City is literally based in Alderney.

 

It’s mostly based on North Jersey, but it could also take the place of Staten Island as LC’s forgotten, alienated and suburban borough too. It even has some blocks based on parts of Staten Island.

Maybe in the GTA Universe it’s a weird special borough that’s also kind of its own state but still part of Liberty City. Niko even says “Alderney is a different state than the rest of Liberty City.”

Edited February 25, 2024 by The Journey

[Officer Ronson]

Despite having LC emergency services, Alderney has its own state trooper ped based off the NJSP and in real life the Port Authority is a joint venture between the state of New York and New Jersey. Besides, Alderney does not appear in GTA Chinatown wars. 

Edited February 25, 2024 by Officer Ronson

[universetwisters]

31 minutes ago, The Journey said:

I think Alderney is part of Liberty City

 

Unagree

 

31 minutes ago, The Journey said:

 it uses Liberty City license plates, LCPD

 

I don't think making different plates + police car liveries was a priority for Rockstar. Also considering that, why does Alderney have its own police officers?

 

33 minutes ago, The Journey said:

 the Port Authority of Liberty City is literally based in Alderney.

 

The New York & New Jersey Port Authority are combined irl. Maybe it operates in a similar fashion in Liberty City? And even then, are they based in Alderney or do they just own warehouse space they're leasing out?

 

35 minutes ago, The Journey said:

Maybe in the GTA Universe it’s a weird special borough that’s also kind of its own state but still part of Liberty City. 

 

It could be, but imo there's more to pointing to it being its own state (albeit very lazily done) than an actual part of Liberty City.

 

36 minutes ago, The Journey said:

Niko even says “Alderney is a different state than the rest of Liberty City.”

 

[citation needed]

Also it's not factually incorrect; New Jersey is in fact a different state than the rest of New York City.

[The Journey]

12 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

Unagree

 

 

I don't think making different plates + police car liveries was a priority for Rockstar. Also considering that, why does Alderney have its own police officers?

 

 

The New York & New Jersey Port Authority are combined irl. Maybe it operates in a similar fashion in Liberty City? And even then, are they based in Alderney or do they just own warehouse space they're leasing out?

 

 

It could be, but imo there's more to pointing to it being its own state (albeit very lazily done) than an actual part of Liberty City.

 

 

[citation needed]

Also it's not factually incorrect; New Jersey is in fact a different state than the rest of New York City.

From what I remember, Niko says it when he’s talking about Pegorino wanting to join the Commission.

 

The State Police could still be part of the idea that it’s a weird district of Liberty City that’s also a state of its own, especially because LCPD still operates there too.

Also in GTA 4 it’s just called the Port Authority of Liberty City, not the Port Authority of Liberty City and Alderney. So my point there stands.

 

For me there’s just a lot more pointing to it being part of LC in GTA and I know NJ is not in NYC in real life lol. Las Vegas is also in a different state than California, but it’s part of San Andreas in GTA SA.

Edited February 26, 2024 by The Journey

[universetwisters]

10 minutes ago, The Journey said:

For me there’s a lot more pointing to it being part of LC in GTA

 

And what is it other than what you posted in the OP?

 

11 minutes ago, The Journey said:

Las Vegas is also in a different state than California, but it’s part of San Andreas in GTA SA.

 

I don't think comparing something as loosey goosey as the III era to something that's trying to be more structured like the HD era is entirely fair, but I recall an interview where Dan Houser said something to the effect of "We're already doing Los Angeles and San Francisco so why not do Vegas too lol".

 

16 minutes ago, The Journey said:

Also in GTA 4 it’s just called the Port Authority of Liberty City, not the Port Authority of Liberty City and Alderney. So my point there stands.

 

Do you really think this is any definitive proof as opposed to Rockstar being lazy and reusing assets from other parts of the map in Alderney?

[Officer Ronson]

I think one thing that easily debunks your claim is the prison, it's the alderney STATE correctional facility, operated by the alderney STATE department of corrections.

 

 

[The Journey]

2 minutes ago, Officer Ronson said:

I think one thing that easily debunks your claim is the prison, it's the alderney STATE correctional facility, operated by the alderney STATE department of corrections.

 

 

Lmao fine ur right sh*ts confusing tho.

[Officer Ronson]

It's confusing because the devs didn't really care at that time for all this lore stuff, only nerds did, and because its pretty apparent that the people who do the modelling aren't the same people who do the graphics, so it's pretty easy for someone who does mapping and  texturing to just grab some logo from some folder and plaster it without giving it a second thought, it's time consuming to be 1:1 with life. 

Edited February 26, 2024 by Officer Ronson

[Original Light]

Per the game lore, it's a separate state.

 

Technical limitations, sheer laziness, or lack of development time resulted in it nothing having its own police cars, emergency services, license plates, etc. Nothing worth delaying the game over. Mods can fix this, if you're playing on PC. 

[almightyvasi]

Alderney has NJ written all over it.. it literally has a real life area from Jersey shown in The Sopranos (Satriale's Pork Store) 

[The Journey]

56 minutes ago, almightyvasi said:

Alderney has NJ written all over it.. it literally has a real life area from Jersey shown in The Sopranos (Satriale's Pork Store) 

Yeah my point here was that similar to LV being in San Andreas and not it’s own state, Alderney could be based on NJ but still in Liberty City.

 

Theres evidence for both sides tho. I’m not gonna say it isn’t it’s own state, but I’m also not gonna say it isn’t part of Liberty City. It’s weird lol.

Edited February 27, 2024 by The Journey

[Magic_Al]

Alderney is a different state. The LCPD contradictions are because of technical compromises, lack of a system to spawn different police vehicles by region, lack of different police radio, lack of different 911, lack of dynamic license plates. At some point they decided it would look less inconsistent to have LCPD stations in Alderney than have all these rough edges show even more. They kept the Alderney cop NPCs because at least encounters on foot are what they were meant to be.

Edited February 27, 2024 by Magic_Al

[The Journey]

Alderney isn’t the only one either, Blaine County uses the Los Santos County Sheriff too.

I guess Alderney and Blaine County are both just too broke to afford their own police cars, ironic tho because New Jersey is one of the richest states in America.

Edited February 28, 2024 by The Journey

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

On 2/25/2024 at 3:40 PM, The Journey said:

I think Alderney is part of Liberty City, it uses Liberty City license plates, LCPD, and the Port Authority of Liberty City is literally based in Alderney.

 

It’s mostly based on North Jersey, but it could also take the place of Staten Island as LC’s forgotten, alienated and suburban borough too. It even has some blocks based on parts of Staten Island.

Maybe in the GTA Universe it’s a weird special borough that’s also kind of its own state but still part of Liberty City. Niko even says “Alderney is a different state than the rest of Liberty City.”

 

I honestly think Rockstar were just lazy and re-used the LCPD without second thought. This was the same game that gave the real LCPD 1990s-era Crown Vics that were out-of-date by more than  a decade when the game came out. R* also had issues with debugging the license plates, so again re-used. If GTA IV ever gets a remaster/remake, I would imagine creating proper Alderney State emergency vehicles would be on the priority list.

 

Niko's quote partly reflects his lack of familiarity with how things work in America. However, it's also colloquial. It's how people can refer to surrounding metropolitan areas as part of the city itself. Like how the Gateway Cities in Los Angeles are colloquially referred to as part of Los Angeles, how the many areas of the SF Bay Area just get lumped together as the SF Bay Area or just the Bay Area, or how North Las Vegas and Henderson are just referred to as Vegas even though they are independent cities.

 

Counter-point: one of the districts in Alderney is explicitly called "Alderney City", and every district in Alderney is implied to be its own municipality. Even in Grand Theft Auto V, it's made clear that Davis, Del Perro, and Rockford Hills are technically independent municipalities in Los Santos County, like Compton, Santa Monica, and Beverley Hills are part of Los Angeles County.

 

Rockstar are simply lazy at times and will either purposefully re-use assets or just never get around to creating unique ones. Like how every San Andreas city re-used LSPD SWAT teams or had the same bicycle cop everywhere.

[universetwisters]

3 hours ago, TaylorSwiftDies2038 said:

Counter-point: one of the districts in Alderney is explicitly called "Alderney City", and every district in Alderney is implied to be its own municipality. 

My interpretation was always that Alderney City is the city over the bridge and Westdyke, Tudor etc are all neighborhoods within it

 

Ive heard people say that the districts are supposed to be municipalities but tbh I haven’t really seen any proof to imply or suggest that other than them taking influence from real jersey towns or somethin or another 

[The Journey]

4 hours ago, universetwisters said:

My interpretation was always that Alderney City is the city over the bridge and Westdyke, Tudor etc are all neighborhoods within it

 

Ive heard people say that the districts are supposed to be municipalities but tbh I haven’t really seen any proof to imply or suggest that other than them taking influence from real jersey towns or somethin or another 

I think if Alderney is a state they’re all supposed to be cities and towns in it. Just like how Davis, Rockford Hills and Del Perro are cities in the LS metropolitan area.

 

I’d put Normandy in Alderney City and Port Tudor in Tudor tho.

 

Look at real life Hudson County, New Jersey. Jersey City then a bunch of weird little independent city-neighborhoods lol.

Edited February 28, 2024 by The Journey

[The Grunt 281]

8 hours ago, TaylorSwiftDies2038 said:

Like how every San Andreas city re-used LSPD SWAT teams or had the same bicycle cop everywhere.

But there are (cop on bike) for San Fierro and Las Venturas, they are unused.

 

There is even a desert variant of the sheriff uniform.

Edited February 28, 2024 by The Grunt 281

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

19 hours ago, universetwisters said:

My interpretation was always that Alderney City is the city over the bridge and Westdyke, Tudor etc are all neighborhoods within it

 

Ive heard people say that the districts are supposed to be municipalities but tbh I haven’t really seen any proof to imply or suggest that other than them taking influence from real jersey towns or somethin or another 

 

My interpretation/personal head canon is that more areas exist in GTA cities that are simply unseen. At a certain point, Rockstar may decide to add Staten Island, expand Bohan, enlarge Alderney, etc.

 

As your post implies, Alderney City is a bit too small to be a true "city" as its a very very condensed version of Jersey City, Newark and Fort Lee. So perhaps a retconned Liberty City will have these areas fleshed out more.

[Jeansowaty]

What we have seen of Alderney is definitely not the whole state, only a small part of it based on areas not far away from NYC. Rockstar has quite condensed a lot of eastern Jersey into what we see but not entirely, it's like they took the vague shape and hammered landmarks and references from various areas in there. Westdyke is a mix of Englewood, Weehawken and Secaucus literally while Berchem has less of Hoboken than it's given credit for ngl. Acter Industrial is based partially on industrial areas of Linden, NJ and my assumption is that this area canonically is nearby, to the west or south kinda, but we simply haven't seen it because the game doesn't include it. Similar to how in CTW there is no Hickey Bridge or actual entrance to the Booth Tunnel yet we know Alderney DOES exist, it just isn't part of the game. Most likely what we see is just one county of Alderney, I once read some headcanon about it being called Guernsey County which is both a reference to GTA1, the other island the reason why the Pegorino mob is nicknamed the Guernsey Crew or something at times.

 

I'm a bit against altering landmasses that are already established so I would not connect territory to the existing ones, but what we see as the ocean is merely a boundary and in reality it's just a river. Mostly thinking of how New Jersey is divided by Hackensack and Passaic rivers and this is why we take Aiden to cliffs in Leftwood. They DO exist and there is water nearby, but it's not an ocean as we see in-game, merely a thick river overlooking further townships.

 

In a similar vein I assume there is more to Bohan north of the abandoned dockside we see but also separated by a river. Less realistic, sure, but I don't think they would demolish this beach area there in favor of attaching more land to it. But, they could have some creative liberty when it comes to bridges to be honest. One of them being the unfinished bridge in South Bohan/Industrial, but I wonder how it would actually go along the rest of the island. Kinda funny, but hey, V does mention a zoo in Bohan that might be up north, who knows. Something similar probably is a thing with a furthermore extended Dukes or even Broker, which ends on the Beachgate tip where Faustin lives but it's a dead end road that could be perhaps extended. Shame that Rockstar hasn't done what RDR did by adding unreachable areas, even some compromise could be done with the helicopters, make the engine fail the moment you reach the boundaries of the map and you crash or something.

Edited March 4, 2024 by Jeansowaty

[The Journey]

3 hours ago, Jeansowaty said:

What we have seen of Alderney is definitely not the whole state, only a small part of it based on areas not far away from NYC. Rockstar has quite condensed a lot of eastern Jersey into what we see but not entirely, it's like they took the vague shape and hammered landmarks and references from various areas in there. Westdyke is a mix of Englewood, Weehawken and Secaucus literally while Berchem has less of Hoboken than it's given credit for ngl. Acter Industrial is based partially on industrial areas of Linden, NJ and my assumption is that this area canonically is nearby, to the west or south kinda, but we simply haven't seen it because the game doesn't include it. Similar to how in CTW there is no Hickey Bridge or actual entrance to the Booth Tunnel yet we know Alderney DOES exist, it just isn't part of the game. Most likely what we see is just one county of Alderney, I once read some headcanon about it being called Guernsey County which is both a reference to GTA1, the other island the reason why the Pegorino mob is nicknamed the Guernsey Crew or something at times.

 

I'm a bit against altering landmasses that are already established so I would not connect territory to the existing ones, but what we see as the ocean is merely a boundary and in reality it's just a river. Mostly thinking of how New Jersey is divided by Hackensack and Passaic rivers and this is why we take Aiden to cliffs in Leftwood. They DO exist and there is water nearby, but it's not an ocean as we see in-game, merely a thick river overlooking further townships.

 

In a similar vein I assume there is more to Bohan north of the abandoned dockside we see but also separated by a river. Less realistic, sure, but I don't think they would demolish this beach area there in favor of attaching more land to it. But, they could have some creative liberty when it comes to bridges to be honest. One of them being the unfinished bridge in South Bohan/Industrial, but I wonder how it would actually go along the rest of the island. Kinda funny, but hey, V does mention a zoo in Bohan that might be up north, who knows. Something similar probably is a thing with a furthermore extended Dukes or even Broker, which ends on the Beachgate tip where Faustin lives but it's a dead end road that could be perhaps extended. Shame that Rockstar hasn't done what RDR did by adding unreachable areas, even some compromise could be done with the helicopters, make the engine fail the moment you reach the boundaries of the map and you crash or something.

Yeah I never liked the idea of GTA maps directly connected to land when the better explanation is that it’s separated by rivers.

 

Alderney probably has a river to its west and Bohan to its north. The Carraways are probably an island chain directly east of Dukes and the airport.

 

San Andreas in GTA V is probably surrounded by a river to its north and east “coasts”, and Paleto Bay is at the mouth of the river. I always imagined Paleto Bay halfway between LS and San Fierro too, Trevor says it’s “halfway across the state” in The Paleto Score. I also think Red County is directly east of Los Santos across the river, and Palomino Creek is across from the Palomino Highlands.

Edited March 4, 2024 by The Journey

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

14 hours ago, Jeansowaty said:

What we have seen of Alderney is definitely not the whole state, only a small part of it based on areas not far away from NYC. Rockstar has quite condensed a lot of eastern Jersey into what we see but not entirely, it's like they took the vague shape and hammered landmarks and references from various areas in there. Westdyke is a mix of Englewood, Weehawken and Secaucus literally while Berchem has less of Hoboken than it's given credit for ngl. Acter Industrial is based partially on industrial areas of Linden, NJ and my assumption is that this area canonically is nearby, to the west or south kinda, but we simply haven't seen it because the game doesn't include it. Similar to how in CTW there is no Hickey Bridge or actual entrance to the Booth Tunnel yet we know Alderney DOES exist, it just isn't part of the game. Most likely what we see is just one county of Alderney, I once read some headcanon about it being called Guernsey County which is both a reference to GTA1, the other island the reason why the Pegorino mob is nicknamed the Guernsey Crew or something at times.

 

Yeah, I think Rockstar did a reasonably good job with that part of New Jersey and making it feel both a part of Liberty City, yet also feel like a completely different part of the country at the same time. New Jersey isn't that exciting, it's mostly suburbs with some metro areas and a few other unique places like Atlantic City, and of course the infamous Camden. Then again, California is largely endless suburbia, yet an endless number of movies, games, and shows take place here.

14 hours ago, Jeansowaty said:

I'm a bit against altering landmasses that are already established so I would not connect territory to the existing ones, but what we see as the ocean is merely a boundary and in reality it's just a river. Mostly thinking of how New Jersey is divided by Hackensack and Passaic rivers and this is why we take Aiden to cliffs in Leftwood. They DO exist and there is water nearby, but it's not an ocean as we see in-game, merely a thick river overlooking further townships.

 

In a similar vein I assume there is more to Bohan north of the abandoned dockside we see but also separated by a river. Less realistic, sure, but I don't think they would demolish this beach area there in favor of attaching more land to it. But, they could have some creative liberty when it comes to bridges to be honest. One of them being the unfinished bridge in South Bohan/Industrial, but I wonder how it would actually go along the rest of the island. Kinda funny, but hey, V does mention a zoo in Bohan that might be up north, who knows. Something similar probably is a thing with a furthermore extended Dukes or even Broker, which ends on the Beachgate tip where Faustin lives but it's a dead end road that could be perhaps extended. Shame that Rockstar hasn't done what RDR did by adding unreachable areas, even some compromise could be done with the helicopters, make the engine fail the moment you reach the boundaries of the map and you crash or something.

 

I'm looking at photos of those rivers you mentioned and you're right. It's fairly easy to believe that the river separates that part of Alderney from more rural/suburban parts of the state. My assumption is that mainland Upstate Liberty is immediately north of Algonquin and Bohan, but of course goes unseen, and it's a big bay/river that seperates Algonquin/Bohan from an area meant to represent Yonkers/Pelham, and then you enter mainland Upstate Liberty. Granted it's a geographic creative liberty but that's fine, GTA maps were never known for their geographic accuracy.

 

The Carraways is directly easy of Francis International, that's confirmed and meant to represent the Hamptons/rest of Long Island. Whether it's directly connected or separated by a bay/river is to be determined, but I'm leaning towards the former because the way Francis International is placed is almost meant to feel as if the rest of Long Island is there, just not depicted. It geographically makes sense, as Brooklyn/Broker is by Jamaica Bay (which is depicted) while Queens directly connects with the rest of Long Island.

 

11 hours ago, The Journey said:

Yeah I never liked the idea of GTA maps directly connected to land when the better explanation is that it’s separated by rivers.

 

Alderney probably has a river to its west and Bohan to its north. The Carraways are probably an island chain directly east of Dukes and the airport.

 

San Andreas in GTA V is probably surrounded by a river to its north and east “coasts”, and Paleto Bay is at the mouth of the river. I always imagined Paleto Bay halfway between LS and San Fierro too, Trevor says it’s “halfway across the state” in The Paleto Score. I also think Red County is directly east of Los Santos across the river, and Palomino Creek is across from the Palomino Highlands.

 

This is also another thing that's confirmed. Lester directly mentions the Paleto River, so obviously there's a thick river separating the playable area from an unseen northern landmass that would take the player presumably to the San Fierro Bay Area, Sacramento, and the rest of the West Coast. The eastern part of the map is probably directly connected to the mainland hence the tall mountains. Orange County is probably southeast of the Palomino Highlands, San Bernardino/Riverside is east of Sandy Shores or is supposed to, etc.

 

The only thing that bothers me is the populated areas depicted are relatively few. Southern California in real life has so many different cities, towns, etc. such as Santa Babara, Ventura, Bakersfield etc that are either totally cut or downsized significantly. It'd be disappointing to know that Paleto Bay is one of the few things between the San Fierro Bay Area and Los Santos. I get that suburban areas aren't that interesting to depict, but I'm sure the map could theoretically be expanded to have more towns/suburbs that it's not overwhelming. 

 

[The Journey]

5 hours ago, TaylorSwiftDies2038 said:

 

Yeah, I think Rockstar did a reasonably good job with that part of New Jersey and making it feel both a part of Liberty City, yet also feel like a completely different part of the country at the same time. New Jersey isn't that exciting, it's mostly suburbs with some metro areas and a few other unique places like Atlantic City, and of course the infamous Camden. Then again, California is largely endless suburbia, yet an endless number of movies, games, and shows take place here.

 

I'm looking at photos of those rivers you mentioned and you're right. It's fairly easy to believe that the river separates that part of Alderney from more rural/suburban parts of the state. My assumption is that mainland Upstate Liberty is immediately north of Algonquin and Bohan, but of course goes unseen, and it's a big bay/river that seperates Algonquin/Bohan from an area meant to represent Yonkers/Pelham, and then you enter mainland Upstate Liberty. Granted it's a geographic creative liberty but that's fine, GTA maps were never known for their geographic accuracy.

 

The Carraways is directly easy of Francis International, that's confirmed and meant to represent the Hamptons/rest of Long Island. Whether it's directly connected or separated by a bay/river is to be determined, but I'm leaning towards the former because the way Francis International is placed is almost meant to feel as if the rest of Long Island is there, just not depicted. It geographically makes sense, as Brooklyn/Broker is by Jamaica Bay (which is depicted) while Queens directly connects with the rest of Long Island.

 

 

This is also another thing that's confirmed. Lester directly mentions the Paleto River, so obviously there's a thick river separating the playable area from an unseen northern landmass that would take the player presumably to the San Fierro Bay Area, Sacramento, and the rest of the West Coast. The eastern part of the map is probably directly connected to the mainland hence the tall mountains. Orange County is probably southeast of the Palomino Highlands, San Bernardino/Riverside is east of Sandy Shores or is supposed to, etc.

 

The only thing that bothers me is the populated areas depicted are relatively few. Southern California in real life has so many different cities, towns, etc. such as Santa Babara, Ventura, Bakersfield etc that are either totally cut or downsized significantly. It'd be disappointing to know that Paleto Bay is one of the few things between the San Fierro Bay Area and Los Santos. I get that suburban areas aren't that interesting to depict, but I'm sure the map could theoretically be expanded to have more towns/suburbs that it's not overwhelming. 

 

I don’t think the east side can be directly connected to land, in the mission “Monkey Business” Michael goes down the east coast with Dave Norton in a boat and then they dive underwater.

[Agent Edward]

No, it's not, Alderney City is part of Alderney State.

[The Grunt 281]

11 hours ago, TaylorSwiftDies2038 said:

This is also another thing that's confirmed. Lester directly mentions the Paleto River, so obviously there's a thick river separating the playable area from an unseen northern landmass that would take the player presumably to the San Fierro Bay Area, Sacramento, and the rest of the West Coast. The eastern part of the map is probably directly connected to the mainland hence the tall mountains. Orange County is probably southeast of the Palomino Highlands, San Bernardino/Riverside is east of Sandy Shores or is supposed to, etc.

The only thing bothering me with the eastern part of the map is the Humane Labs, it is infiltrated through a long cooling tunnel that is completely flooded but it's on the side of the map which is supposed to have even more landmass.

 

The only thing that could save the odd situation here is if there is supposed to be a large body of water or a river.

Edited March 5, 2024 by The Grunt 281

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

On 3/5/2024 at 9:28 AM, The Grunt 281 said:

The only thing bothering me with the eastern part of the map is the Humane Labs, it is infiltrated through a long cooling tunnel that is completely flooded but it's on the side of the map which is supposed to have even more landmass.

 

The only thing that could save the odd situation here is if there is supposed to be a large body of water or a river.

 

Most likely a river or lake, but the thing is California isn't known for such thick rivers or lakes with a few exceptions, and the predominant one (the Salton Sea) is already used up, unless in Rockstar's San Andreas, there are multiple lakes and the Alamo Sea is one of them. Perhaps the area starting from Cape Catfish/Mount Gordo all the way down to Palomino Highlands forms a large yet skinny-shaped lake/river. The closest thing to that is the Colorado River which is way too far from Los Angeles for it to be that.

 

But then again, this is Rockstar's interpretation.

[MapleEllie]

As we all know,  Alderney no longer exists in Chinatown wars due to it sinking into the ocean after Jimmy Pegorino's death. This means it cannot be apart of Liberty City.

[Krymefull]

22 hours ago, MapleEllie said:

As we all know,  Alderney no longer exists in Chinatown wars due to it sinking into the ocean after Jimmy Pegorino's death. This means it cannot be apart of Liberty City.

This reminded me of this meme:

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

On 3/9/2024 at 11:52 AM, AnythingGoner said:

This reminded me of this meme:

 

Imagine living in a red state doing this unironically only to find out your property got totally f*cked as well because you lived on a wetland.

 

Mother Nature f*cks us all equally, which is reassuring in a way.

[cant remember]

IIRC RDR2 also has something similar. The chapter 3 camp is supposedly by a lake. It's called a lake on the map and the characters call it a lake, but it's kind of also the Gulf of Mexico at the same time.

[TaylorSwiftDies2038]

16 hours ago, cant remember said:

IIRC RDR2 also has something similar. The chapter 3 camp is supposedly by a lake. It's called a lake on the map and the characters call it a lake, but it's kind of also the Gulf of Mexico at the same time.

 

Ugh, I hate the geography of Red Dead Redemption II. So many inconsistencies. Like how the hell is Saint-Denis supposed to operate as this major port when it's landlocked? Where the hell does the Mexico-USA Border end? Where's the rest of Texas? Why are Arizona and New Mexico so awkwardly mashed together with California so close by? Why is Tall Trees/Big Valley some awkward mix of California and Colorado? Why is Lemoyne and a Mississippi stand-in state so close to the Mexican border? The cartographers in the sky got drunk here.

 

God it's a mess. I wonder what their RDR universe map of Red Dead Redemption North America looks like, I'd love to see it.