JB1982 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I have been thinking about this for awhile now but do people think the gang could have survived if they had done things differently during the course of the game? Or were they always doomed because of what happened in Blackwater? For me, I think the biggest mistake during the actual game was robbing Leviticus Cornwall's train in Chapter One. They were already on the run, should have just hid out and laid low. Although the Pinkerton's were already looking for them, Cornwall's financial backing made it a more aggressive pursuit. Would probably follow this by getting involved with the Gray's and the Braithwaite's in Chapter 3. Again, a failure to just lie low. jas385 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Trusting Dutch MrDeluxo and JB1982 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072349781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashaforever Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Leaving Chapter 1-4 as it is, Arthur should've gave up on Dutch far earlier in Chapter 6, in Chapter 5 even. JB1982 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072349865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballbreaker_ Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) Being a GANG in the first place was certainly a mistake. During the lawless period of the old west their behavior was left unchecked, but by 1899 the gang was doomed by default. It couldn't have ended much better than it did. Now, of course that Dutch's behavior didn't help. He was too proud to admit defeat and his egoistical decisions made their path even more bloodier. Like Hosea said all the time they needed to lie low, though I believe the smartest decision at that point would be to actually leave the gang and such life behind, just as Arthur told John. Edited February 23 by Ballbreaker_ JB1982 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072349895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platface Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) Not listening Hosea is the main reason why gang started to break. He was older than Dutch but also wiser. Ah alright, after the train job, what were those mistakes ? Dutch is too dumb to believe there are enough money in Saint Denis' Post Office for leaving. I thought at start, that was an obivous set-up. Trying to be a troublemaker in a city, not twice, thrice, is not a good way to make moves too. OC Pinkertons caught Hosea. Dutch started to trust Micah more than others. He was the latest member, he is craziest and lowest af honored cowboy in the gang. Many others had more experience but he chose Micah mostly until he's pissed in American Venom... Edited February 26 by Platface edit kekwkekw JB1982 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072350806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 They were all way too complacent. They could see problems but just kept sitting around at camp ignoring them and kept doing whatever Dutch said instead of trying to question it or figure out plans of their own. Twenty plus people should've been able to do more about their situation. JB1982 and The Tracker 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballbreaker_ Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said: They were all way too complacent. They could see problems but just kept sitting around at camp ignoring them and kept doing whatever Dutch said instead of trying to question it or figure out plans of their own. Twenty plus people should've been able to do more about their situation. It was just the way they operated. Dutch was the intellectual force who supposedly had the best interests of the gang at heart and did all the thinking, while everybody else did all the work. If you dared to question Dutch you were deemed as a traitor. That's why I said in my my post it couldn't have ended much better than it did. John said himself that all members were guilty for going along with Dutch the way they did, and he was right. Edited February 27 by Ballbreaker_ billiejoearmstrong8, NightmanCometh96, JB1982 and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hightower Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Dumping the Blackwater money as they fled. The Tracker and JB1982 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pashaforever Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 50 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said: Dumping the Blackwater money as they fled. Wasn't the Blackwater Money the stash Dutch hid from the gang plus the ferry heist? I don't think he could've dug up that money all the while being chased and shot at. Spoiler I bet you all that the money was in Dutch's mom's grave in Blackwater. Platface 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemoyne outlaw Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/26/2024 at 12:26 AM, Platface said: Not listening Hosea is the main reason why gang started to break. He was older than Dutch but also wiser. but Hosea also screwed up by getting involved with the Braithwaite's. it was such a dumb idea to get involved in a fight that wasn't their own. Dutch and Hosea thought that southerners were a bunch of dumb hicks. but they were clearly wrong. Dutch was on a revenge mission. and Hosea was getting greedy. even Trelawny told Arthur to be careful around the two families. he warned Dutch and Hosea but they were blind to the danger. i love Hosea. but he did have a hand in the destruction of the gang. if it wasn't for Hosea getting involved in the gang feud. jack wouldn't have been kidnapped and forced the gang to go to saint denis. and of course we all know just how bad it gets at the end of that chapter. propanecocaine71 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
propanecocaine71 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 41 minutes ago, Lemoyne outlaw said: but Hosea also screwed up by getting involved with the Braithwaite's. it was such a dumb idea to get involved in a fight that wasn't their own. Dutch and Hosea thought that southerners were a bunch of dumb hicks. but they were clearly wrong. Dutch was on a revenge mission. and Hosea was getting greedy. even Trelawny told Arthur to be careful around the two families. he warned Dutch and Hosea but they were blind to the danger. i love Hosea. but he did have a hand in the destruction of the gang. if it wasn't for Hosea getting involved in the gang feud. jack wouldn't have been kidnapped and forced the gang to go to saint denis. and of course we all know just how bad it gets at the end of that chapter. Hosea even admits that they underestimated them, dutch however just wants to keep fighting and fighting. Copcaller 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballbreaker_ Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Hosea didn't want to get involved with the two families at first, but since he was another loyal Dutch soldier he followed his duty. Hosea was the only one who could reason with Dutch though. 1 hour ago, Pashaforever said: Wasn't the Blackwater Money the stash Dutch hid from the gang plus the ferry heist? I don't think he could've dug up that money all the while being chased and shot at. Reveal hidden contents I bet you all that the money was in Dutch's mom's grave in Blackwater. That's interesting. Did the game ever clarify if Dutch actually managed to save the Blackwater money or if he lied about saving it as a means to keep the gang together? It could be an explanation for him to be so desperate for MUNEH all the time, rather than just greed. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platface Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 16 hours ago, Lemoyne outlaw said: but Hosea also screwed up by getting involved with the Braithwaite's. it was such a dumb idea to get involved in a fight that wasn't their own. Dutch and Hosea thought that southerners were a bunch of dumb hicks. but they were clearly wrong. Dutch was on a revenge mission. and Hosea was getting greedy. even Trelawny told Arthur to be careful around the two families. he warned Dutch and Hosea but they were blind to the danger. i love Hosea. but he did have a hand in the destruction of the gang. if it wasn't for Hosea getting involved in the gang feud. jack wouldn't have been kidnapped and forced the gang to go to saint denis. and of course we all know just how bad it gets at the end of that chapter. Hosea tried to find that gold, while helping Braithwaites but there's no gold. Grays control the town for good, but doing these operations got both sides' attention so Spoiler this costed Sean, Rhodes masscare and Jack's kidnap. Yeah he got a small hand of this breakdown but he did for the money they were targeting for. He already warned us at start. But Dutch and others didn't listen. Arthur understood what will happen afterwards and tried to stop Dutch for their good but it was too late. Edited February 28 by Platface Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hightower Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 20 hours ago, Pashaforever said: Wasn't the Blackwater Money the stash Dutch hid from the gang plus the ferry heist? I don't think he could've dug up that money all the while being chased and shot at. Hide contents I bet you all that the money was in Dutch's mom's grave in Blackwater. I have been saying the blackwater money is in his mom's grave since launch. However, it is the fact that they dumped it anywhere at all that was the mistake. The Tracker 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072351643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copcaller Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 The blackwater heist was the beginning of the end but overall the gang was just sh*t at keeping a low profile they did too many robberies in a short time span. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072406351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbatron Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 (edited) Biggest mistake was quite simply trusting Micah. Very likely at the end of Chapter VI they at least wouldn’t have been divided. That said there’s a whole list of mistakes. Robbing the train in CH1, getting needlessly involved in the Gray-Braithwaite Feud, robbing the wrong coach in “An Honest Mistake” etc. It outweighs the successes - such as the bank in Valentine and the Saint Denis boat. Probably I’d say though the point of no return was falling for Bronte’s trap and robbing the trolley station. I’d suggest the carnage that caused is probably what alerted the Pinkertons and resulted in them being there for the Bank Robbery. If that didn’t happen and Hosea lived there’s maybe a slim chance with him countering Micah’s malign influence on Dutch they could have held it together long enough to get away somewhere distant but not as implausible as Tahiti. Edited November 18 by Jimbatron Jisoo and Copcaller 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/995904-what-was-the-biggest-mistake-the-gang-made/#findComment-1072447576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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