GTA VI: Manni L. Perez as Lucia.

[snl_rif]

I think everyone has already agreed that Manni is playing Lucia, although we're obviously still waiting at least a year and a half for official confirmation.

 

And I'm also glad she didn't respond with such a post, at least she didn't deny her involvement in GTA 6, that's already good.

[CM1]

8 hours ago, Zapper said:

 

That article was written before the pandemic, though. Schreier couldn't have possibly taken that into account unless he's Nostradamus. I'd say the 'early development' line is there because the full production of VI properly began after RDR2 was released. Plus, Schreier himself expected VI to come out in 2022-'23 before COVID messed everything up, and he said as late as mid-2020.

 

I'd say COVID definitely delayed the mocap process, but it's hard to say if it actually began in late 2020. That'd mean they started the entire mocap process then, because R* has stated previously that they shoot the first scenes with the player character to see if everything works as intended.

 

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter whether they started in late 2020 or not, because there's every chance VI is a late 2025 game, and that way, they'd get the full 5 years anyway, just like RDR2. Even if it comes out in Q1 2025, they get over 4 years. And we know that a large chunk of RDR2's delays weren't due to mocap.

With RDR 2, I've been really confused by the 2,200 days of recording they claimed that the process took. That being a little over 6 years, doesn't make sense when the Roger Clark worked on the game from August 2013 to August 2018 as you mentioned. And I haven't even seen anything about full production in 2012 (6 years before September 2018), just 2013 only. 2013 makes more sense, because it means they wanted GTA V production to be close to complete before tackling RDR 2 and minimizing resource overlap.

 

For this reason, I'm not sure why they mentioned 2200 days as an estimate at all, because it's much less than 2200 (÷365 = 6.02 years) and more like 1800-2000 days. Seems like someone took Rockstar out of context and too literally.

 

https://www.vulture.com/2018/10/the-making-of-rockstar-games-red-dead-redemption-2.html

 

Anyway, I was a bit shocked at how Manni Perez mentioned "late 2020", because pandemic was in full swing in September 2020 and it sounds like she was still on set in Long Island at Rockstar Games in the midst of COVID-19.

 

Manni barely starting mocap as Lucia in late 2020 seemed unusually late to me, if the game has been in planning for "a decade". I don't know what's really even true in terms of rumors, if the actress actually got in the role barely 3 years ago. Really, really confusing for me.

 

As for Jason Schreier, I understand what you're saying, but I'm puzzled at him for even stating 2022 at all during the early pandemic LOL and I remember that too from him via Kotaku. Anything 2022 just seemed unrealistic as hell in April 2020 (when he stated this), following RDR 2 release barely over 1 1/2 years earlier.

 

Then again, announcing V E&E came after the pandemic shutdowns started becoming much more indefinite in June 2020, because after that I didn't expect any VI announcement until spring/summer 2022, if V E&E would be barely released (originally) in late 2021. I didn't see them promoting a future game in the midst of V E&E.

 

I expected a late 2023 VI release, from June 2020 to September 2022. Then after the 2022 leaks, I realized how late 2024 release was more likely from some earlier FY projections decreasing significantly for FY 2024.

 

2025 is definitely a new (quiet) delay in the last few months, but I'm not convinced VI is a late 2025 release yet (full 2 years away).

 

Might become late 2025 in the end from future delays during 2024, but I will just wait and see how it all pans out ultimately. Rockstar thankfully isn't beholden to late year releases, as seen by past (varying) delays for GTA IV, RDR, GTA V, and RDR 2, where the internal goal probably was to get them each out in one piece ASAP and not some special Rocktober or Holiday release. They planned Spring 2013 and Spring 2018 for two of those games I named, plus ultimately did so for IV and RDR 1.

 

Easily Q1 or early spring 2025 currently, where publicly stating "Coming 2025" allows them huge breathing room to quietly delay it to late 2025 (if needed). The real pressure for developers is if this game doesn't even make 2025! Now that would be ridiculous.

Edited December 28, 2023 by CM1

[CM1]

I don't blame Steven Ogg for being angry and see criticism against him being too one-sided. I already can see the idiots who are now harassing Manni Perez and some of her male actor friends (regarding Jason), plus Ana Esposito and several others. Not to mention creating fake profiles.

 

Often tone deaf ignoramuses with no real home training, manners, and adequate socialization, so they don't comprehend it's extremely bad form to accost working professionals in the capacity that they already do to people like Young Maylay and Ogg. In some cases they're unfortunately from developing regions of the world, which might have language barriers, different social etiquette and think it's a great compliment to obsessively approach an actor.

 

However, Steven Ogg acting like he didn't embrace the role of Trevor for many years all on his own and even do live reenactments, is only deluding himself though.

 

 

 

It's absolute revisionist history on his part, even if I understand his huge frustration with some idiots out there harassing him to no end.

 

Nothing honestly is always black & white, so I fully support both Steven's rightful annoyance at harassment from dumb fans and also support anyone accurately criticizing Steven Ogg for his obvious revisionist history and shunning the Trevor role. He wouldn't be relevant at all, without the GTA role. All these interviews he still gets, are from the GTA role on his resume. Him and his agent(s) need to figure out what they're doing with his career, instead of sour grapes.

 

I only support what Steven did on Cameo though, as he was being used like a toy or circus animal by that YouTuber/influencer dude IMO, regardless of being paid for it. He's Steven, not Trevor and people need to remember that. If they cannot, maybe they're not mature enough to be playing GTA games in the first place. 

 

I hope the fanbase grows up a little bit and stops mindlessly harassing actors, regardless of them being a male or female.

Edited December 29, 2023 by CM1
Added Ogg career line and fanbase

[Intstringeger]

43 minutes ago, CM1 said:

With RDR 2, I've been really confused by the 2,200 days of recording they claimed that the process took. That being a little over 6 years, doesn't make sense when the Roger Clark worked on the game from August 2013 to August 2018 as you mentioned. And I haven't even seen anything about full production in 2012 (6 years before September 2018), just 2013 only. 2013 makes more sense, because it means they wanted GTA V production to be close to complete before tackling RDR 2 and minimizing resource overlap.

 

For this reason, I'm not sure why they mentioned 2200 days as an estimate at all, because it's much less than 2200 (÷365 = 6.02 years) and more like 1800-2000 days. Seems like someone took Rockstar out of context and too literally.

Just speculation, but I think those might be combined days of recording, as if you have two mocap studios working for a month then you had 60 days of recording instead of 30. They probably used a second unit for capturing "minor" animations while focusing on the main characters with the first unit.

[Thomas Cavendish]

19 minutes ago, CM1 said:

people need to remember that. If they cannot, maybe they're not mature enough to be playing GTA games in the first place. 

You can't expect people to behave like YOU want them to.

You only have control over the way YOU deal with it.

For example, if he doesn't like it, he should have refused to do that cameo.
I´m pretty sure annoying people reach out Ned, Shawn, Rob, Roger, all the time. And will reach Jason and Lucia. Because we can't control others behaviour. 

 

They are the ones who have to be mature enough to deal with the public, the good people and the bad people.

 

2 hours ago, jonnhy_xv said:

Ned luke , Shawn Fonteno, Roger Clark and Rob Wiethoff were all gems tho

 

All the Van Der Linde Gang members are really nice people. Dutch, Ms. Grinshaw, Sadie... I can't remember a single one who didn't embrace the fans and the comunity.

[REVENGE777]

7 hours ago, CM1 said:

 

 

I only support what Steven did on Cameo though, as he was being used like a toy or circus animal by that YouTuber/influencer dude IMO, regardless of being paid for it. He's Steven, not Trevor and people need to remember that. If they cannot, maybe they're not mature enough to be playing GTA games in the first place. 

He could have said “no, I’m not interested” and went on with his day, but no. He took the money, and passive aggressively berates the Person who PAID HIM MONEY to do a cameo. That’s immature and disrespectful. You don’t get to complain about a role you portray all the while taking the check with no issue.

what did Michael say?

”i don’t see you complaining on the way to the f*cking bank!”

[JRC99]

15 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

He could have said “no, I’m not interested” and went on with his day, but no. He took the money, and passive aggressively berates the Person who PAID HIM MONEY to do a cameo. That’s immature and disrespectful. You don’t get to complain about a role you portray all the while taking the check with no issue.

what did Michael say?

”i don’t see you complaining on the way to the f*cking bank!”

Exactly. You don't have to like HugoOne to see that it was a really sh*tty thing to do. If you don't want to do it, just say NO.

 

If it is Manni, I wouldn't blame her one bit for going completely silent towards the fanbase when the game drops. Or whoever does play Lucia. It's bad enough having a bunch of 13 year olds swamp you for attention, but then add being a woman on top of it? Jesus Christ I do not envy her whatsoever. The creeps are unfortunately absolutely going to be out in full force. 

Edited December 29, 2023 by JRC99

[REVENGE777]

43 minutes ago, JRC99 said:

Exactly. You don't have to like HugoOne to see that it was a really sh*tty thing to do. If you don't want to do it, just say NO.

 

If it is Manni, I wouldn't blame her one bit for going completely silent towards the fanbase when the game drops. Or whoever does play Lucia. It's bad enough having a bunch of 13 year olds swamp you for attention, but then add being a woman on top of it? Jesus Christ I do not envy her whatsoever. The creeps are unfortunately absolutely going to be out in full force. 

if ned and Shawn take her under their wing I’m sure she’ll be fine. I just worry about all the attention she’s gonna get and how that will affect her when she’s living her everyday life. I hate to say it but since she’ll become basically an overnight celebrity, she shouldn’t really do things alone or without a bodyguard/assistant. It’s one thing when it’s a big muscly dude like Shawn who’s been to prison and been in the streets his whole life, he probably fears very little for his personal safety. But manni? I trust she’s capable of handling herself but rabid fans are capable of completely ridiculous sh*t. Like christina grimmie ( an American idol contestant), god rest her soul. She had a rabid fan that completely lost control and it ended absolutely horrifically.

[Xilurm]

Do celebrities often go around with bodyguards and stuff? All those pics you see with hollywood actors/actresses just living their every day life they aren't escorted by bodyguards or anything.

[CM1]

10 hours ago, Thomas Cavendish said:

You can't expect people to behave like YOU want them to.

You only have control over the way YOU deal with it.

For example, if he doesn't like it, he should have refused to do that cameo.
I´m pretty sure annoying people reach out Ned, Shawn, Rob, Roger, all the time. And will reach Jason and Lucia. Because we can't control others behaviour. 

 

They are the ones who have to be mature enough to deal with the public, the good people and the bad people.

 

 

All the Van Der Linde Gang members are really nice people. Dutch, Ms. Grinshaw, Sadie... I can't remember a single one who didn't embrace the fans and the comunity.

 

And some members of the public could be better with how they deal with public figures.  Compared to 15-20+ years ago, I feel like people have gotten better about being more sympathetic towards public figures, in many respects thanks to social media making them more approachable and relatable, but still a double-edged sword in terms of engagement.

 

It's pretty obvious to me, Ogg initially was happy with his pay (3 years worth) and acclaim, but slowly realized the well was getting drier (10 years on) and thus became resentful of the continuous attention, since he wasn't getting paid. I understand his anger, but I can admit his Cameo was a tasteless attempt to take a stand against it all.

 

3 hours ago, REVENGE777 said:

He could have said “no, I’m not interested” and went on with his day, but no. He took the money, and passive aggressively berates the Person who PAID HIM MONEY to do a cameo. That’s immature and disrespectful. You don’t get to complain about a role you portray all the while taking the check with no issue.

what did Michael say?

”i don’t see you complaining on the way to the f*cking bank!”

To be honest, Ogg has been pretty immature to the point of requesting no one acknowledge this role anymore and can only blame himself for his situation. He did an over the top VR reenactment of Trevor (I thought it was too much) and essentially left a trail of mixed signals for fans to follow.

 

For a long time, definitely way too enthusiastic against the other two and then does a full 180°.

 

I don't recall Ned Luke even doing that and Solo didn't do any full length reenactments, beyond a few little clips with Slink Johnson. Him and his agent need to figure out his future. He typecast himself all on his own, by taking it too far. At best, fans need to stop harassing these people, but I now understand how important it is Cameo requests must be honored.

 

Perez seems to be a good sport already and possibly excited at the recent discovery, knowing she hasn't violated anything NDA wise. I think Rockstar probably has already hired private transport for her (being a lead), based on someone who mentioned their security perimeter is locked down at their Long Island stage. Nobody gets seen entering or leaving that set by any outsiders.

 

The security setup reminds me of famous musicians at some recording studios, who would enter/exit limo-tint vehicles in small garages to avoid publicity. I think Manni's well covered and probably being paid well too, so everything works for her I guess. Jason's still going to be very interesting. Maybe her friend Serge?

2 hours ago, REVENGE777 said:

if ned and Shawn take her under their wing I’m sure she’ll be fine. I just worry about all the attention she’s gonna get and how that will affect her when she’s living her everyday life. I hate to say it but since she’ll become basically an overnight celebrity, she shouldn’t really do things alone or without a bodyguard/assistant. It’s one thing when it’s a big muscly dude like Shawn who’s been to prison and been in the streets his whole life, he probably fears very little for his personal safety. But manni? I trust she’s capable of handling herself but rabid fans are capable of completely ridiculous sh*t. Like christina grimmie ( an American idol contestant), god rest her soul. She had a rabid fan that completely lost control and it ended absolutely horrifically.

I think she might be good in terms of security and if not, sounds like she's being paid really well by Rockstar. I've been confident like any other company, they've increased pay per new title and in their case, company expansion since the IV days.

 

Maybe she's going to be paid more than the GTA V guys, by how long she'll be working in the role and thanks to Michael Hollick's big mouth (inflation adjusted) lol, in terms of her agent negotiating a good deal. Otherwise, doubt an NYC bodyguard would be affordable on a +/-$200k per year income outside of RG providing one.

[Shahanshah]

Why are we white knighting for literal professionals here?
They’re not kids, they don’t need us virtue signaling for them. 
Ogg hates GTA and it’s fanbase? Fine

He shouldn’t have taken the money and then shat on the dude.

 

We can’t control what a bunch of 12 year old mouth breathers do in the age of internet. Blame the social medias for allowing kids to post. 

Every famous person has to deal with it some way or another. 

 

I’m sure Manni and Jason’s actor will embrace the popularity and interact with the fans.
So she should be hostile or silent towards the fanbase bcuz some weirdos spam her with “thicc” comments in your opinion ? You’re clueless if you think so

Playing the main characters in GTA is their one way ticket to stardom and money.
They should milk tf out of it while they can. 
From what I’ve seen and heard from Manni, she knows how to get the bag. Good for her. 

[NewCrossGate]

It’s understandable that Steven Ogg gets pissed off about people coming up to him calling him Trevor. 

I know people on here are die hard GTA fans but GTA V was just one project, as an actor he probably wants to be known for more than just playing Trevor - the constant Trevor/GTA V comments he’s received on a daily basis have probably become a little old over time so I don’t blame him. 
 

Ned Luke/Shawn Fonteno seem like they’ve just embraced it more, maybe they feel they won’t ever get a role as big as playing a GTA protagonist again so they’ve just made the most of it and tried to stay relevant for as long as GTA V has been relevant. 

 

[NewCrossGate]

7 hours ago, REVENGE777 said:

if ned and Shawn take her under their wing I’m sure she’ll be fine. I just worry about all the attention she’s gonna get and how that will affect her when she’s living her everyday life. I hate to say it but since she’ll become basically an overnight celebrity, she shouldn’t really do things alone or without a bodyguard/assistant. It’s one thing when it’s a big muscly dude like Shawn who’s been to prison and been in the streets his whole life, he probably fears very little for his personal safety. But manni? I trust she’s capable of handling herself but rabid fans are capable of completely ridiculous sh*t. Like christina grimmie ( an American idol contestant), god rest her soul. She had a rabid fan that completely lost control and it ended absolutely horrifically.

Jesus look at the effect this woman is having already, this guy simping his heart out worrying about her safety lmao.

 

Get a grip. 

[Jason]

Uhhh I think some of you need to chill, lol.

 

I can sorta get the concern for her and her upcoming fame and what impact that could have on her life, but she's a grown adult, a professional actor, and is working for a studio with literal decades of experience with this stuff, while also having a cast and crew to talk to if she has any concerns.

 

I think she'll be fine fellas.

[Zapper]

1 hour ago, NewCrossGate said:

I know people on here are die hard GTA fans but GTA V was just one project, as an actor he probably wants to be known for more than just playing Trevor - the constant Trevor/GTA V comments he’s received on a daily basis have probably become a little old over time so I don’t blame him. 

 

That comes with the turf. If Ogg wants things to change, he has to play another one or two characters just as good and even more iconic than Trevor, and so far, he hasn't done anything even close to that. He is Trevor in the same way James Gandolfini is Tony Soprano to an overwhelming majority of people. Even someone like Al Pacino is just Michael Corleone or Tony Montana to a lot of people, even though he has dozens of other incredible performances. It is what it is.

[Spider-Vice]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Uhhh I think some of you need to chill, lol.

 

I can sorta get the concern for her and her upcoming fame and what impact that could have on her life, but she's a grown adult, a professional actor, and is working for a studio with literal decades of experience with this stuff, while also having a cast and crew to talk to if she has any concerns.

 

I think she'll be fine fellas.

Indeed. We've gone from people being creeps to people near-concern-trolling. Amazing.

 

Neither of the discussions are healthy. The creeps should stop stalking her social media, posting things or simping over her - and people should also stop potentially making up concerns for a person you do not know.

As for impersonators yeah... Unfortunately the attention she's gotten from everywhere is gonna make the absolute weirdos make fake accounts. Even Roger Clark still fights that. The fact that she's a woman multiplies it 100-fold.

[REVENGE777]

3 hours ago, NewCrossGate said:

Jesus look at the effect this woman is having already, this guy simping his heart out worrying about her safety lmao.

 

Get a grip. 

I have 5 sisters, 4 nieces and a daughter. I know how detrimental unwanted attention can be to just regular everyday women. 
I’m “simping” because I understand the way the real world works and how unhinged people can be, and how they CAN make this women’s life a living hell? when did giving a f*ck about the well being of women become simping? How does that even correlate?

 

people went so far as to swat Ned Luke’s house. Violence and intimidation against female celebrities is just as prevalent as ever and is still a major concern wether or not you just brush it off as “eh she’s a professional, she’ll be fine.” That’s not concern trolling, that’s me being as realistic as I can fathomably be.

Edited December 29, 2023 by REVENGE777

[arisfelbonilla]

4 hours ago, NewCrossGate said:

It’s understandable that Steven Ogg gets pissed off about people coming up to him calling him Trevor. 

I know people on here are die hard GTA fans but GTA V was just one project, as an actor he probably wants to be known for more than just playing Trevor - the constant Trevor/GTA V comments he’s received on a daily basis have probably become a little old over time so I don’t blame him. 
 

Ned Luke/Shawn Fonteno seem like they’ve just embraced it more, maybe they feel they won’t ever get a role as big as playing a GTA protagonist again so they’ve just made the most of it and tried to stay relevant for as long as GTA V has been relevant. 

 

It might sound bad but Shawn Fonteno and Ned Luke are very mature people with respect to their characters. They accept that they will always call him Michael or Franklin, but Trevor gets very angry about a character that we will always remember him.

[Nyfyr]

I must say that calling someone a «simp», «white knight» and that they are «virtue signaling» because they sympathise with someone who might have to deal with hundreds of thousands of strange thirsty creeps while becoming famous overnight is quite ridiculous. 

 

It gives off vibes that you spend too much time in dudebro bubbles online.

 

 

[Arniee]

3 hours ago, Zapper said:

 

That comes with the turf. If Ogg wants things to change, he has to play another one or two characters just as good and even more iconic than Trevor, and so far, he hasn't done anything even close to that. He is Trevor in the same way James Gandolfini is Tony Soprano to an overwhelming majority of people. Even someone like Al Pacino is just Michael Corleone or Tony Montana to a lot of people, even though he has dozens of other incredible performances. It is what it is.

that's true , part of the resentment could also be from the history of rockstar not paying the va's like a crazy amount of money in a game which sold more than 5 billion in its lifetime , Ogg resentment is a disingenous since people look up to other cast members the same way and i can say only ned luke was on par with the incredible performance in the entire game , ogg and luke just did the best VA work in a grand theft auto game , Ned on one hand embraces it and does cameos , streams , meetups and merch signings , meanwhile ogg acts like a karen, wanting people to refer to him for his other stuff as well , The only performances of Steven i know are from Better Call Saul , and The walking dead , both not significant roles but memorable enough.

[Midnight Dutch]

This thread has reached new levels of face palm.  I’ve tried to avoid posting in this thread because it has been kind of weird from the get-go.  But now it seems to be either white-knighting or downright creepy. 

 

And yes, it’s white knighting — unwanted attention is part of being a celebrity.  Tabloids, paparazzi, character degrading rumors(libel), fake news, harassment, etc. is all the downsides of being a celebrity, it’s nothing new, and has been around since the dawn of mankind.  Especially in the last 100+ years.  No, this woman, should she actually be the actress playing Lucia, does not need you to defend her.  As a matter of fact your actions and words do little to protect her anyways.

 

I’m sure some butt hurt here will misconstrue my words here as sympathizing with harassment or approving of it, but that would be blatantly false.  Fact is because she’s an attractive female, many of you are taking this way too serious.  Just don’t be a creep and the rest will fall into place.

[Nyfyr]

37 minutes ago, Midnight Dutch said:

This thread has reached new levels of face palm.  I’ve tried to avoid posting in this thread because it has been kind of weird from the get-go.  But now it seems to be either white-knighting or downright creepy. 

 

And yes, it’s white knighting — unwanted attention is part of being a celebrity.  Tabloids, paparazzi, character degrading rumors(libel), fake news, harassment, etc. is all the downsides of being a celebrity, it’s nothing new, and has been around since the dawn of mankind.  Especially in the last 100+ years.  No, this woman, should she actually be the actress playing Lucia, does not need you to defend her.  As a matter of fact your actions and words do little to protect her anyways.

 

I’m sure some butt hurt here will misconstrue my words here as sympathizing with harassment or approving of it, but that would be blatantly false.  Fact is because she’s an attractive female, many of you are taking this way too serious.  Just don’t be a creep and the rest will fall into place.

So it is not okay to say «I hope this person’s quick rise to fame will be an overall good experience and not an absolutely horrible one caused by overwhelming amounts of crazy stalkers»?

 

I have no idea where the white knighting is in this. It is totally fine to disagree what levels of bad this actor will experience on her rise to fame, but its annoying to see people use buzzwords like «simp» and «white knight» to someone for simply wishing a person well.
 

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2023 by Nyfyr

[Midnight Dutch]

4 minutes ago, Nyfyr said:

So it is not okay to say «I hope this person’s quick rise to fame will be an overall good experience and not an absolutely horrible one caused by overwhelming amounts of crazy stalkers»?

 

I have no idea where the white knighting is in this. It is totally fine to disagree what levels of bad this actor will experience on her rise to fame, but its annoying to see people use buzzwords like «simp» and «white knight» to someone for simply wishing a person well.
 

 

 

 

Lmao if the comments in this thread were simply “I wish her well” then that’s what I would call it.

 

open your eyes.  And don’t put words in my mouth, I said exactly what I said, not what you put in chevrons.

[Shahanshah]

Guys it’s not that serious. It’s getting a little embarrassing. 
Come on, we shouldn’t argue about such silly things.

Of course Manni & other actors are professionals in this business and don’t need you and me protecting them from weirdos online and of course there is nothing wrong from people showing some concern.

But It just seems we can’t have conversations without each side taking it to the extreme…

[Nyfyr]

19 minutes ago, Midnight Dutch said:

Lmao if the comments in this thread were simply “I wish her well” then that’s what I would call it.

 

open your eyes.  And don’t put words in my mouth, I said exactly what I said, not what you put in chevrons.

No words were put in your mouth. What I said in chevrons  wasn’t supposed to represent what YOU said (don’t tell me to open my eyes if you didn’t understand this)

 

The «wishing her well» part is what seemed to be the point of some of the other posters here who worried about her experience in the future.

 

Then there was the history you mentioned. Celebrities have been going through sh*tty media for 100 years or so. Well, that sucks. Am I a white knight for saying that? Yeah it won’t change much but its just a thought.

Edited December 29, 2023 by Nyfyr

[Midnight Dutch]

41 minutes ago, Nyfyr said:

No words were put in your mouth. What I said in chevrons  wasn’t supposed to represent what YOU said (don’t tell me to open my eyes if you didn’t understand this)

 

The «wishing her well» part is what seemed to be the point of some of the other posters here who worried about her experience in the future.

 

Then there was the history you mentioned. Celebrities have been going through sh*tty media for 100 years or so. Well, that sucks. Am I a white knight for saying that? Yeah it won’t change much but its just a thought.

Lol OK bro

[Kilowog01]

Did I accidentally end up on 4chan? Showing the slightest bit of compassion for a human being who will be harassed and threatened for the next 20 years has become synonymous with "white knighting" now. Stating that Manni's case is the same as that of any other celebrity is just intellectual dishonesty. She will become extremely famous overnight, acting as the first female main character(in the HD era)in a game where the fan base is mostly made up of men. Many celebrities have taken their own lives for much less, in fact, we had an example this week.

I doubt R* has a team to take care of this, but if they do, they have never dealt with something of this magnitude, not even they know what will happen. So the concern is absolutely fair. And Jason's actor is also in a f*cked up situation, I don't want to imagine the amount of hate he will receive if the "R* went woke" guys thinks the character is too soft. Also, If something wrong happens for more than 100 years, we must discuss, question and try to stop it even more and not throw the towel and accept it as normal and "part of the job".

I'm having a good laugh at some of the posts, the projection level in this thread is on the roof.

[Midnight Dutch]

I will just leave this here and I will exit this thread,

 

Beyoncé is arguable the biggest female entertainer of all time.  I don’t see people going crazy trying to defend her against the “overwhelming amounts of crazy stalkers”.  (Which is a LOLWTF in itself, where are these overwhelming amounts of crazy stalkers?!) She’s a million times bigger than the actress in question will ever be.  This thread is a joke.  I wish her the best, that goes without saying.  You guys need to grow up.

[REVENGE777]

20 minutes ago, Midnight Dutch said:

You guys need to grow up.

violence against celebrities, especially female celebrities, is a real issue. You don’t have to be Beyoncé or Kim kardashian for it to happen, and your argument was made in bad faith.

[NewCrossGate]

2 hours ago, Midnight Dutch said:

This thread has reached new levels of face palm.  I’ve tried to avoid posting in this thread because it has been kind of weird from the get-go.  But now it seems to be either white-knighting or downright creepy. 

 

And yes, it’s white knighting — unwanted attention is part of being a celebrity.  Tabloids, paparazzi, character degrading rumors(libel), fake news, harassment, etc. is all the downsides of being a celebrity, it’s nothing new, and has been around since the dawn of mankind.  Especially in the last 100+ years.  No, this woman, should she actually be the actress playing Lucia, does not need you to defend her.  As a matter of fact your actions and words do little to protect her anyways.

 

I’m sure some butt hurt here will misconstrue my words here as sympathizing with harassment or approving of it, but that would be blatantly false.  Fact is because she’s an attractive female, many of you are taking this way too serious.  Just don’t be a creep and the rest will fall into place.

Exactly this. Guys in here typing out semi emotional posts mentioning their female family members and such smh - it’s beyond pathetic, simpy and complete overkill.