The Made Man Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) Been wanting to make this thread for the longest. People talk about Trevor or Toni but none of them come close. I been a GTA fan for the longest and I always felt Claude was downright the scariest protagonist of them all. Tbh I'd rather be in a room alone with Trevor(as long as I don't piss him off. Heck we can talk about women and drugs) than Claude. Claude is like the damn MICHAEL freaking MYERS of the GTA series. He is silent, we don't know his motivations or objectives really, what "ticks" him, the only thing that fuels him is greed and revenge. Its like he has a silent rage. He is cold blooded and will do ANYTHING for money even betraying others without a question(see Kenji). Again he will do any gruesome/ruthless task for money. Tommy, Toni, Niko and even Trevor had some type of morality, these are some of the most ruthless GTA protags. Claude? NOPE. As long as money was available he didnt care. Which explains how unpredictable he is. Lets not forget him potentially killing Marie. I can go on and on but you get my point. Dude was the Michael Myers of GTA. Edit: He wasn't even remorseful when Asuka was killed when he was the one who started the mess. And Asuka was the one who HELPED him... Edited December 12, 2023 by The Made Man Forgot to add Asuka part Drug Tino, Copcaller, Luciano89 and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil empire Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 From an immersion friendly point of view I agree Claude has all the features of a troubling psychopath. Matt Mello, The Made Man, Luciano89 and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Made Man Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Evil empire said: From an immersion friendly point of view I agree Claude has all the features of a troubling psychopath. Like I said I'd rather be in a room alone with Toni or even Trevor. Matt Mello and Luciano89 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezus Holy Christ Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I miss characters like him and James Earl Cash in modern Rockstar games. SM-W, Matt Mello, Copcaller and 3 others 6 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ryan. Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) I think what makes him so scary is he’s essentially not supposed to be a specific character. Rather just a projection of whatever the player feels like. I have said before however his cameo in San Andreas kind of ruins this in a way. I didn’t want to know what his background was and IMO some of his mystique was ruined. The name “Claude” bothers me a bit too. I miss when he was simply known as the GTA III guy or Fido. No one knew his name, what he did 10 years before..Just a straight killer. Anyway even ignoring all of that he’s still pretty cold though at least in GTA III. He definitely does have a lot of that evil for the sake of being evil like Michael Myers which is what makes him so cool. Edited December 12, 2023 by Harwood Butch3r The Made Man, Matt Mello and Luciano89 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluckin Bell CEO Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Nah Toni was way more scary and psychopathic. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Made Man Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Darth_Cruiser said: Nah Toni was way more scary and psychopathic. Toni is your typical mafia guy. Just don't upset him. The only reason he even makes the list of must evil protags is cuz of that ONE mission. And unlike Claude he was LOYAL. Edited December 12, 2023 by The Made Man Matt Mello and Luciano89 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluckin Bell CEO Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, The Made Man said: Toni is your typical mafia guy. Just don't upset him. The only reason he even makes the list of must evil protags is cuz of that ONE mission. And unlike Claude he was LOYAL. That mission showed he was scary and psychopathic though. Even Trevor has that torture mission. Claude didn't really have any missions like that. Even looks wise Claude doesn't look scary while Trevor. Clause just felt like a generic avatar for the player to play as, because Rockstar didn't bother giving him a voice. Trevor can just mess you up for the fun of it, he literally throws random Lost MC bikers off bridges and picks fights for no reason. While Claude will just leave you alone unless you try to mess with him. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Made Man Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Darth_Cruiser said: That mission showed he was scary and psychopathic though. Even Trevor has that torture mission. Claude didn't really have any missions like that. Even looks wise Claude doesn't look scary while Trevor. Clause just felt like a generic avatar for the player to play as, because Rockstar didn't bother giving him a voice. Trevor can just mess you up for the fun of it, he literally throws random Lost MC bikers off bridges and picks fights for no reason. While Claude will just leave you alone unless you try to mess with him. MC bikers were advisories. At the end of the day Trevor had LOYALTY and even had some morality. Claude was all for himself and his ruthlessness was more "consistent" compared to Trevor and Toni. He almost had no humanity. Claude killed Marie for no reason. He betrayed Kenji(Asuka's brother who helped him) for the heck of it. Luciano89 and Matt Mello 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072311920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygoto Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) Unlike Niko Bellic and even Trevor Phillips, it’s much harder to scare Claude in line since he dosent seem to have any friends or family. Claude has much less levers you can use against him. Claude didn’t care if he was enemies with lots of different gangs in Liberty. Niko would be careful since he had Roman to protect. Edited December 12, 2023 by jaygoto The Made Man, Matt Mello and Copcaller 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072312049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Nah I think Toni is. He literally follows orders from his mom and boss and is willing to blow up an entire neighborhood and kill hundreds (thousands?) for a measly 5k All while wearing a chicken outfit no doubt Copcaller 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072312533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atay26 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 You can't prove he killed maria plus how tf can you make a silent character express anything? Doesn't mean he couldn't have been remorseful it's not his fault that he was designed that way Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072312907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil empire Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, The Made Man said: Toni is your typical mafia guy. Just don't upset him. The only reason he even makes the list of must evil protags is cuz of that ONE mission. And unlike Claude he was LOYAL. From an immersion friendly point of view Claude is loyal to his bosses in Portland since he doesn't accept any mission to would go against the interests of one of his employers. After Salvatore's treason he acts much more selfishly and risks everything by betraying Kenji because he knows he can't trust anybody. Edited December 13, 2023 by Evil empire Matt Mello, Lock n' Stock and Luciano89 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072313050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ryan. Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Darth_Cruiser said: Even looks wise Claude doesn't look scary… Most serial killers/mass murderers don’t tend to look scary. Jefferey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy etc all looked like normal guys you’d probably never look at twice if you passed them on the street. Hell most of the school/mass shooters I see on tv fit that bill too. There’s probably a simple reason for this. They don’t want to draw suspicion by looking like some unhinged whack job. In the case of serial killers like those above I mentioned they were probably able to claim so many victims because they didn’t give off an uncomfortable presence by the way they looked. Ted Bundy especially was said to be quite charming yet he was a sadistic animal. With Claude his clean cut appearance works massively in his favour IMO. If he were real person I think he’d make for a great serial killer because even on looks alone he could kinda just slip through the cracks barely noticed because he doesn’t “look” evil. Edited December 13, 2023 by Harwood Butch3r The Made Man, Matt Mello, Luciano89 and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072313078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Made Man Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Evil empire said: From an immersion friendly point of view Claude is loyal to his bosses in Portland since he doesn't accept any mission to would go against the interests of one of his employers. After Salvatore's treason he acts much more selfishly and risks everything by betraying Kenji because he knows can't trust anybody. I chalk that up to the Leones being the first group that he meets. Yet he killed Diablos for Luigi, yet took jobs for El Burro and then betrayed the Diablos for the Yardies. 1 hour ago, Harwood Butch3r said: Most serial killers/mass murderers don’t tend to look scary. Jefferey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy etc all looked like normal guys you’d probably never look at twice if you passed them on the street. Hell most of the school/mass shooters I see on tv fit that bill too. There’s probably a simple reason for this. They don’t want to draw suspicion by looking like some unhinged whack job. In the case of serial killers like those above I mentioned they were probably able to claim so many victims because they didn’t give off an uncomfortable presence by the way they looked. Ted Bundy especially was said to be quite charming yet he was a sadistic animal. With Claude his clean cut appearance works massively in his favour IMO. If he were real person I think he’d make for a great serial killer because even on looks alone he could kinda just slip through the cracks barely noticed because he doesn’t “look” evil. He has that Ted Bundy look but silent. He far more creepier than Toni and Trevor. .Ryan., Luciano89 and Copcaller 2 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072313165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Sprunk Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I always thought he was a good guy wiping out all gangs in LC and helping non-gang members such as Donald, Ray and the oriental guy. He probably hates his past as a gang member (Cartel) and has no hesitation for killing or betraying them. About Maria? She's just another Catalina. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072313174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil empire Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, The Made Man said: I chalk that up to the Leones being the first group that he meets. Yet he killed Diablos for Luigi, yet took jobs for El Burro I forgot this mission for Luigi but from an immersion friendly point of view the Leones are a much more promising employer than the Diablos and those he killed for Luigi double-crossed his mission-giver so it's not a treason towards the Diablos especially since he can perform Pump action pimp before Turismo. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072313282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copcaller Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) On 12/12/2023 at 5:14 PM, universetwisters said: Nah I think Toni is. He literally follows orders from his mom and boss and is willing to blow up an entire neighborhood and kill hundreds (thousands?) for a measly 5k All while wearing a chicken outfit no doubt lmao im surprised everyone is forgetting about toni hacking a guy up and selling him to his own deli. Claudes just a cold blooded contract killer but toni is literally unhinged. Edited December 23, 2023 by Copcaller The Tracker 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072321360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Copcaller said: lmao im surprised everyone is forgetting about toni hacking a guy up and selling him to his own deli. Claudes just a cold blooded contract killer but toni is literally unhinged. I feel like Toni blowing up a whole neighborhood for less money than what he paid for in explosives is a better talking point for Toni’s sociopathy than him cutting his moms boyfriend up The Tracker 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072321541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copcaller Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 4 hours ago, universetwisters said: I feel like Toni blowing up a whole neighborhood for less money than what he paid for in explosives is a better talking point for Toni’s sociopathy than him cutting his moms boyfriend up the part that stuck out to me about casa was he did that for himself ultimately showing just how unhinged and brutal tony could be. If I owed toni money id pay it asap. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072321666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 55 minutes ago, Copcaller said: the part that stuck out to me about casa was he did that for himself ultimately showing just how unhinged and brutal tony could be. If I owed toni money id pay it asap. Idk I never gave much thought to Toni killing casa because how different is it compared to the brutal sh*t you do during gameplay? Copcaller 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072321688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowTierDude Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 12:01 AM, The Made Man said: MC bikers were advisories. At the end of the day Trevor had LOYALTY and even had some morality. Claude was all for himself and his ruthlessness was more "consistent" compared to Trevor and Toni. He almost had no humanity. Claude killed Marie for no reason. He betrayed Kenji(Asuka's brother who helped him) for the heck of it. I mean he did chop up a mostly-innocent chef up into sausage over an ego trip so I dont think Toni's all that right in the head. Copcaller 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072321861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copcaller Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 On 12/23/2023 at 8:21 PM, universetwisters said: Idk I never gave much thought to Toni killing casa because how different is it compared to the brutal sh*t you do during gameplay? selling people as food isn't something I usually do in free roam Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072323527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygoto Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 (edited) On 12/12/2023 at 11:01 AM, The Made Man said: MC bikers were advisories. At the end of the day Trevor had LOYALTY and even had some morality. Claude was all for himself and his ruthlessness was more "consistent" compared to Trevor and Toni. He almost had no humanity. Claude killed Marie for no reason. He betrayed Kenji(Asuka's brother who helped him) for the heck of it. Trevor has friends that can be used against him by his enemies. If Trevor didnt find out Micheal betrayed him, Trevor would have cared and done everything to save Micheal himself when Wei Cheng took Micheal hostage. For Claude, he dosent have to worry about that since he dosent have any friends or family. He also is a lone wolf which is beneficial to him when trying to evade his enemies. Edited January 4, 2024 by jaygoto Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072329323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mello Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 To be completely honest, I always low-key headcanoned Claude Speed as a sociopathic borderline serial-killer. Catalina's betrayal and then gaining enmity with Salvatore Leone become a major turning point for him, having him go from a common career street criminal to a complete and total psychopath. He only stayed loyal to Asuka and Maria just long enough to get his revenge on Catalina and so the Yakuza would still protect him from the Cartel. With Asuka and Catalina both dead and both the Yakuza and Cartel having suffered heavy losses overall, Claude most likely killed Maria for the hell of it (and also because she was the one who convinced the Leones to turn on him to begin with) and skipped town shortly after the events of "The Exchange" .Ryan. 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072329344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciano89 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 12/12/2023 at 7:08 AM, The Made Man said: Been wanting to make this thread for the longest. People talk about Trevor or Toni but none of them come close. I been a GTA fan for the longest and I always felt Claude was downright the scariest protagonist of them all. Tbh I'd rather be in a room alone with Trevor(as long as I don't piss him off. Heck we can talk about women and drugs) than Claude. Claude is like the damn MICHAEL freaking MYERS of the GTA series. He is silent, we don't know his motivations or objectives really, what "ticks" him, the only thing that fuels him is greed and revenge. Its like he has a silent rage. He is cold blooded and will do ANYTHING for money even betraying others without a question(see Kenji). Again he will do any gruesome/ruthless task for money. Tommy, Toni, Niko and even Trevor had some type of morality, these are some of the most ruthless GTA protags. Claude? NOPE. As long as money was available he didnt care. Which explains how unpredictable he is. Lets not forget him potentially killing Marie. I can go on and on but you get my point. Dude was the Michael Myers of GTA. Edit: He wasn't even remorseful when Asuka was killed when he was the one who started the mess. And Asuka was the one who HELPED him... The only thing I disagree with you is about Toni... I think you forgot about the mission in which he basically had to plant explosives in the old subway tunnels in order to destroy Fort Staunton, which certainly killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, along with Franco Forelli. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072329354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveclaude Posted January 8, 2024 Share Posted January 8, 2024 Idc if he's a sociopath he's babygirl Jezus Holy Christ 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072331214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copcaller Posted January 9, 2024 Share Posted January 9, 2024 (edited) On 1/3/2024 at 7:31 PM, jaygoto said: Trevor has friends that can be used against him by his enemies. If Trevor didnt find out Micheal betrayed him, Trevor would have cared and done everything to save Micheal himself when Wei Cheng took Micheal hostage. For Claude, he dosent have to worry about that since he dosent have any friends or family. He also is a lone wolf which is beneficial to him when trying to evade his enemies. claude did go out of his way to rescue maria in the final mission. Edited January 9, 2024 by Copcaller Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072331754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciano89 Posted January 11, 2024 Share Posted January 11, 2024 On 1/9/2024 at 6:34 AM, Copcaller said: claude did go out of his way to rescue maria in the final mission. He didn't... Claude's true intention was to have his revenge against Catalina and nothing more. As for Maria... Well, despite the fact that she was annoying and almost made him get killed by Salvatore, it wouldn't hurt to have a hot woman by his side after all the hard things he endured during the events of GTA III. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072332414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yinepi Posted February 18, 2024 Share Posted February 18, 2024 (edited) It's always intriguing to me when people mention money as Claude's motivation. It was never about money to Claude otherwise he'd be buying real estate, fancy cars and clothes like the other protags can/do. Claude couldn't care less about any of that. His motivation was revenge, and he will literally stop at nothing to get said revenge. I will agree Claude is a psychopath, but in the context of GTA, what protag isn't? Edited February 18, 2024 by Yinepi Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/994492-claudegta-3-was-the-scariest-protagonist/#findComment-1072347658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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