The most disturbing GTA?

[Kiro Ivo]

On 11/14/2023 at 8:31 PM, MikeWh said:

Errr, Misty was a prostitute who is alluded to have had unprotected sex (hence 'pick her up from the clinic' being her introduction). I don't think either Joey, or Claude for that matter, would have wanted to have settled down with her - nor would she want that. As for her potentially wanting a relationship with Claude, he was a mute psychopath who she'd known for all of 2 minutes when he drove her from point A to point B, so not sure where these blanks have been filled - same for Mercedes and Tommy.

 

Regardless of your age when you played those games, as an adult you cannot be serious with your thoughts. Mercedes was hardly pimped out, she was a goer - and quite comfortable with that. 

 

Holy...

I never thought that Misty in the clinic would have had an ab**tion...

Jesus...

[MikeWh]

11 hours ago, Kiro Ivo said:

Holy...

I never thought that Misty in the clinic would have had an ab**tion...

Jesus...

I was thinking more along the lines of STIs and the like. 

[Kiro Ivo]

7 hours ago, MikeWh said:

I was thinking more along the lines of STIs and the like. 

Oh

Okay then, it was disturbing as what I thought...

[The Journey]

GTA III feels creepy, like the world and characters just feel wrong. It feels like purgatory. GTA IV has a dark story but the world and characters feel way more alive.

Edited January 31, 2024 by The Journey

[The Journey]

On 11/6/2023 at 3:13 PM, Luciano89 said:

And it is a big example that CJ, unlike what most people say, it is not the most "human protagonist".

Who says that though? That was Niko, maybe Franklin.
 

Definitely not CJ, the man broke into f*cking Area 51. He’s on the same level as Trevor and the GTA Online Protagonist

Edited January 31, 2024 by The Journey

[SM-W]

15 minutes ago, The Journey said:

Who says that though? That was Niko, maybe Franklin.
 

Definitely not CJ, the man broke into f*cking Area 51. He’s on the same level as Trevor and the GTA Online Protagonist

Franklin doesn't come across as human, he comes across as whiny and incel-ish. Fair enough on Niko.

As for CJ, he's kind of whiny also, but he also comes across as determined. I wouldn't say he's on the same level as Trevor, because - unlike Trevor - CJ actually has to work for what he earns and there isn't this sense of invulnerability that, combined with Trevor's hyper-aggresiveness, just makes me not be able to stand him.

 

To be fair, though, it's not easy to balance a person who's capable of feeling human while also being the kind of person who would stab old ladies for their loose pocket change and commit mass shootings for "the lulz". I think Arthur Morgan's been the best balance of that so far; to me, it never felt incongruous to the overall character to do good or bad things while playing as him.

[The Journey]

19 minutes ago, SM-W said:

Franklin doesn't come across as human, he comes across as whiny and incel-ish. Fair enough on Niko.

As for CJ, he's kind of whiny also, but he also comes across as determined. I wouldn't say he's on the same level as Trevor, because - unlike Trevor - CJ actually has to work for what he earns and there isn't this sense of invulnerability that, combined with Trevor's hyper-aggresiveness, just makes me not be able to stand him.

 

To be fair, though, it's not easy to balance a person who's capable of feeling human while also being the kind of person who would stab old ladies for their loose pocket change and commit mass shootings for "the lulz". I think Arthur Morgan's been the best balance of that so far; to me, it never felt incongruous to the overall character to do good or bad things while playing as him.

I never heard Franklin be called “incel-ish” before lol, and I don’t think so. He’s a dude who just recently got over a hard breakup with a girl he loved a lot. I think her reasoning of not wanting to be in the gang life is the reason why Franklin branched off from the Families in the first place and started working for Simeon.

 

Whiny? If you were dealing with Michael and Trevor’s bullsh*t, plus Lamar’s bullsh*t, wouldn’t you be a little whiny? While Michael and Trevor got their own sh*t popping, Franklin’s the Rags to Riches story.

Edited January 31, 2024 by The Journey

[Mintal]

Not one, but three:

 

Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy - The Definitive Edition

[SM-W]

1 hour ago, The Journey said:

I never heard Franklin be called “incel-ish” before lol, and I don’t think so. He’s a dude who just recently got over a hard breakup with a girl he loved a lot. I think her reasoning of not wanting to be in the gang life is the reason why Franklin branched off from the Families in the first place and started working for Simeon.

I mean, judging by how whiny Franklin is about everything, can you blame her for not wanting anything to do with him?

I think it's telling that Franklin's most noteworthy scene is him being told he can't get any "bitches on [his] dick" as a result of his "yee-yee ass haircut." I honestly wish we got to play as Lamar - he's working on his own plans (versus always doing what other people tell him to do), he's a G who feels like someone you wouldn't want to screw around with .... and at least he doesn't feel like he's on the cusp of taking the redpill and watching Andrew Tate videos.

 

Agree or disagree with me how ever you wish, but all that really matters to me ..... is that I had way too much fun when I originally edited that picture together.

 

(What makes it ironic is that his actor Shawn Fonteno was apparently a bit of a gangsta himself in his early years, and is also a pretty likable guy! So it's clearly not a problem with the actor, and more a problem with the writing and story plotting.)

 

1 hour ago, The Journey said:

Whiny? If you were dealing with Michael and Trevor’s bullsh*t, plus Lamar’s bullsh*t, wouldn’t you be a little whiny? While Michael and Trevor got their own sh*t popping, Franklin’s the Rags to Riches story.

Well, Michael is a pretty whiny/bitchy dude anyway, so maybe some of it rubbed off. Or maybe birds of a feather flock together.

Maybe if Franklin had any drive of his own to make his own plans, versus float around and let the ocean currents take him wherever, maybe he wouldn't've had to deal with their bullsh*t in the first place.

 

 

But as for Franklin's "Rags to Riches" story, he literally goes from living with his sh*tty aunt in the ghetto to immediately living in one of the nicest properties in the entire game world for doing his first mission for Lester. No buildup, no working up to it, no small upgrades throughout the game until you finally get to the big, dream Hollywood Hills mansion. Just bam, handed to him on a silver platter for one super easy, straightforward assassination mission that's 12-minutes total, including cutscenes. (On top of already starting out with a low-end sports car, and getting a motorcycle for free.) It feels like he was supposed to be the one character we grow and take from the bottom to the top, but they cut out the stuff in-between the rags and the riches ... and then he's still doing petty grunt work anyway.

And considering that mission came on the heels of doing all the Merryweather Sub Heist busywork (about a real-life hour) and the slog of the dock scouting mission all for zero reward, that just really rubbed me all the wrong ways. (I think that was the exact moment when I actually started to hate GTA5, versus just feeling kind of "meh" towards it.) As you can see, having to put up with the game's bullsh*t made me a pretty whiny/bitchy dude myself .... so maybe you have a point after all!

 

CJ had a "Rags to Riches" story, and had to actually buy his own properties with money he made and had some initiative of his own. Victor Vance had one, too, slowly going from a disgraced army recruit trying to make money to support his family to a drug kingpin. Even Niko kinda had one; even if he never had to pay for any of his safehouses, he had to put in some real work and effort before he finally got his nice penthouse suite. Franklin? Sorry man, but I just don't see it at all, just like I don't see someone winning the lotto as a "rags to riches" story, and more "this guy won the lotto." (There's an old but funny "shaggy dog story" joke that it reminds me that I'd be happy to share with ya.) And at least the guy who won the lotto is in danger of overspending like a dumbass, losing it all and going back to rags.

Edited January 31, 2024 by SM-W

[Agent Edward]

6 hours ago, SM-W said:

I mean, judging by how whiny Franklin is about everything, can you blame her for not wanting anything to do with him?

I think it's telling that Franklin's most noteworthy scene is him being told he can't get any "bitches on [his] dick" as a result of his "yee-yee ass haircut." I honestly wish we got to play as Lamar - he's working on his own plans (versus always doing what other people tell him to do), he's a G who feels like someone you wouldn't want to screw around with .... and at least he doesn't feel like he's on the cusp of taking the redpill and watching Andrew Tate videos.

 

Agree or disagree with me how ever you wish, but all that really matters to me ..... is that I had way too much fun when I originally edited that picture together.

 

(What makes it ironic is that his actor Shawn Fonteno was apparently a bit of a gangsta himself in his early years, and is also a pretty likable guy! So it's clearly not a problem with the actor, and more a problem with the writing and story plotting.)

 

Well, Michael is a pretty whiny/bitchy dude anyway, so maybe some of it rubbed off. Or maybe birds of a feather flock together.

Maybe if Franklin had any drive of his own to make his own plans, versus float around and let the ocean currents take him wherever, maybe he wouldn't've had to deal with their bullsh*t in the first place.

 

 

But as for Franklin's "Rags to Riches" story, he literally goes from living with his sh*tty aunt in the ghetto to immediately living in one of the nicest properties in the entire game world for doing his first mission for Lester. No buildup, no working up to it, no small upgrades throughout the game until you finally get to the big, dream Hollywood Hills mansion. Just bam, handed to him on a silver platter for one super easy, straightforward assassination mission that's 12-minutes total, including cutscenes. (On top of already starting out with a low-end sports car, and getting a motorcycle for free.) It feels like he was supposed to be the one character we grow and take from the bottom to the top, but they cut out the stuff in-between the rags and the riches ... and then he's still doing petty grunt work anyway.

And considering that mission came on the heels of doing all the Merryweather Sub Heist busywork (about a real-life hour) and the slog of the dock scouting mission all for zero reward, that just really rubbed me all the wrong ways. (I think that was the exact moment when I actually started to hate GTA5, versus just feeling kind of "meh" towards it.) As you can see, having to put up with the game's bullsh*t made me a pretty whiny/bitchy dude myself .... so maybe you have a point after all!

 

CJ had a "Rags to Riches" story, and had to actually buy his own properties with money he made and had some initiative of his own. Victor Vance had one, too, slowly going from a disgraced army recruit trying to make money to support his family to a drug kingpin. Even Niko kinda had one; even if he never had to pay for any of his safehouses, he had to put in some real work and effort before he finally got his nice penthouse suite. Franklin? Sorry man, but I just don't see it at all, just like I don't see someone winning the lotto as a "rags to riches" story, and more "this guy won the lotto." (There's an old but funny "shaggy dog story" joke that it reminds me that I'd be happy to share with ya.) And at least the guy who won the lotto is in danger of overspending like a dumbass, losing it all and going back to rags.

You may not like Franklin, but saying that Lamar would be a better choice for a playable character is quite frankly a overreaction, he is a dumbass who never wants to leave the hood and make something of himself, a worse version of Sweet, I would hate if he was a protagonist.

Edited January 31, 2024 by Agent Edward

[SM-W]

1 hour ago, Agent Edward said:

You may not like Franklin, but saying that Lamar would be a better choice for a playable character is quite frankly a overreaction, he is a dumbass who never wants to leave the hood and make something of himself, a worse version of Sweet, I would hate if he was a protagonist.

I was talking more about personality, as well as operating on the assumption that, if Lamar were the one we were playing as, then we'd be doing the "moving up in the world" thing versus staying in one spot, but fair enough I suppose.

That said, while he may be a dumbass, A, that could describe almost every single character in the game (Franklin included, especially since he keeps working with Lamar anyway lol - if Lamar is a dumbass, what do you call the guy who keeps doing work for a dumbass? ), and B, Lamar's also planning his own stuff (and eventually tries to start his own business in GTAO, LD Organics); he has his own goals and is actively working towards them versus passive-aggressively doing whatever it is other people tell him to do (like Franklin). So I don't think it's entirely fair to say he never wants to make something of himself. Plus, he also doesn't seem to have any pretenses that he's too good for the hood when his only talents are crime related (unlike you-know-who).

 

At the same time, that criticism of "never wanting to leave the hood" could also be lobbied towards Trevor. He's quite happy enough living in his Sandy Shores trailer, and clearly the man is not dreaming of moving out to the suburbs so he can finally show off his gardening and topiary skills to his golf-playing neighbors who will finally appreciate his talents.

 

As I said above, it felt like Franklin was the guy we were supposed to do the "rising from the bottom to the top" bit with, but somehow between concept and finished product he ended up being the guy who starts off with a sports car, gets a bike for free shortly after, and then gets a mansion handed to him as a reward for his first mission for Lester, a simple assassination mission. (Though Trevor is far worse when it comes to "getting sh*t handed to him for free".) Franklin doesn't rise to the top, he teleports up there - all while still doing petty grunt work while up at the top.

The very least they could have done is made Franklin's starting car be a rust bucket piece of junk, and give us incentive to buy our own vehicle.

Edited January 31, 2024 by SM-W

[Aquamaniac]

10 hours ago, SM-W said:

Franklin doesn't come across as human, he comes across as whiny and incel-ish. Fair enough on Niko.

As for CJ, he's kind of whiny also, but he also comes across as determined. I wouldn't say he's on the same level as Trevor, because - unlike Trevor - CJ actually has to work for what he earns and there isn't this sense of invulnerability that, combined with Trevor's hyper-aggresiveness, just makes me not be able to stand him.

 

To be fair, though, it's not easy to balance a person who's capable of feeling human while also being the kind of person who would stab old ladies for their loose pocket change and commit mass shootings for "the lulz". I think Arthur Morgan's been the best balance of that so far; to me, it never felt incongruous to the overall character to do good or bad things while playing as him.

 

Franklin developes from a semi-legit repo man into a serial killer quite fast, while Niko wants to abandon a life of violence and pursuits no criminal agenda on his own Franklin seeks the opposite.

 

I think all the GTA IV characters are less immoral than any other GTA characters, despite or maybe because IV is more "realistic" than the other GTAs. I barely remember but Louis for the most part worked as a bodyguard and went on other criminals and Johny was similar I think.

Edited January 31, 2024 by Aquamaniac

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Mintal said:

Not one, but three:

 

Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy - The Defective Edition

FTFY

 

You know its LCS and VCS for me because Tony feeds human flesh to some people and VCS because of the disturbing ads in radio, not gonna say it more.

 

Edited January 31, 2024 by JASON6971

[Kiro Ivo]

1 hour ago, JASON6971 said:

FTFY

 

You know its LCS and VCS for me because Tony feeds human flesh to some people and VCS because of the disturbing ads in radio, not gonna say it more.

 

What sucks is the rampages, they ruin the games completely.

Out of character carnage.

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Kiro Ivo said:

What sucks is the rampages, they ruin the games completely.

Out of character carnage.

Yeah, and even the mission in the ship with chainsaws, jeez, not to mention sometimes I still have nightmares of

that King Courtney's where you had to escape from those demolition men in GTA 3 (If you know, you know just too well).

[The Journey]

2 hours ago, Aquamaniac said:

 

Franklin developes from a semi-legit repo man into a serial killer quite fast, while Niko wants to abandon a life of violence and pursuits no criminal agenda on his own Franklin seeks the opposite.

 

I think all the GTA IV characters are less immoral than any other GTA characters, despite or maybe because IV is more "realistic" than the other GTAs. I barely remember but Louis for the most part worked as a bodyguard and went on other criminals and Johny was similar I think.

The problem with Luis is that he never showed any emotion and all the character depth was given to Tony. Maybe that was just his character tho.

Edited January 31, 2024 by The Journey

[SM-W]

34 minutes ago, The Journey said:

The problem with Luis is that he never showed any emotion and all the character depth was given to Tony. Maybe that was just his character tho.

I think part of the issue is that Luis' actor very rarely sold the performance, at least for me.
He kinda had that "non-actor doing an acting role" sound to his voice for most of it - like the random people they got for those Tim & Eric show sketches, or one of those Plummcorp Records videos, where they found people off of Craigslist. (At least with those, that was on purpose and was part of the charm.)

 

 

I don't know who played Luis, but if he wasn't a non-actor, then my guess would be he was someone who was absolutely put-off by / uncomfortable with the performance capture method.

Edited January 31, 2024 by SM-W

[The Journey]

37 minutes ago, SM-W said:

I think part of the issue is that Luis' actor very rarely sold the performance, at least for me.
He kinda had that "non-actor doing an acting role" sound to his voice for most of it - like the random people they got for those Tim & Eric show sketches, or one of those Plummcorp Records videos, where they found people off of Craigslist. (At least with those, that was on purpose and was part of the charm.)

 

 

I don't know who played Luis, but if he wasn't a non-actor, then my guess would be he was someone who was absolutely put-off by / uncomfortable with the performance capture method.

Always gave me the impression that the game’s real main character is Tony but seen through the eyes of Luis. Makes sense with the name.

Edited January 31, 2024 by The Journey

[Dr Busta]

On 11/7/2023 at 12:39 PM, cant remember said:

I thought it was the other way around, since he calls himself the donkey I figured he is taking the roll of the receiver ?

He called himself the donkey because donkeys usually have huge dicks

 

I remember watching a video when I was younger where an Indian man was getting smashed by a donkey and I was like "Ooooh so that's why they call him the donkey"

[IVCavalcade]

11 minutes ago, Dr Busta said:

I remember watching a video when I was younger where an Indian man was getting smashed by a donkey and I was like "Ooooh so that's why they call him the donkey"

bro...

[Yinepi]

Perhaps I'm showing my age here, but personally I think GTA2 had more disturbing elements than any other GTA.

You think Toni killing one man by turning him into meat was bad? How about an entire bus full of innocent passengers. "Hot Dog Homicide!" is the mission I am referring to.

Edited February 15, 2024 by Yinepi

[MapleEllie]

GTA 3 due to just the weird feeling it has. It's so different from every other game in the franchise in terms of story and as "That "GTA 3" Feeling" points out, it's world is so strange when you analysis it