GTAgangbanger Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 On 8/11/2023 at 7:31 AM, Dr. Ugs said: That's what I was thinking. Thak you. I just went to FiveM server list, and every single one has real world brands lol So does this mean same cars,weapons,gangs,drug dealing,clothes and all the cool stuff you can do on fivem without R* will still be available to play? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072205630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
met. Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 hours ago, GTAgangbanger said: Does this mean nothing will change for fivem even in months ahead? How am I supposed to know lol Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072205764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAgangbanger Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, (Vip)Met said: How am I supposed to know lol Idk thought you might be a developer met., GroceryGetter89 and Xilurm 1 1 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072205799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionGeneral Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) T2 will likely use this as an advantage to completely shut FiveM down so we can't have or use our own dedicated servers for online play. Whilst FiveM servers made profit, R*/T2 did not, I believe they will simply use this as means to potentially shut the servers/client down. When T2/R* claim they would not shut down mods Spoiler (not modmenus, f*ck modmenus and cheaters) we have evidence to the contrary. Edited September 3, 2023 by ionGeneral robban 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072207276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilurm Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 hour ago, ionGeneral said: T2 will likely use this as an advantage to completely shut FiveM down so we can't have or use our own dedicated servers for online play. Whilst FiveM servers made profit, R*/T2 did not, I believe they will simply use this as means to potentially shut the servers/client down. When T2/R* claim they would not shut down mods Hide contents (not modmenus, f*ck modmenus and cheaters) we have evidence to the contrary. Why would Rockstar put support articles on how to download and join FiveM servers if they were going to shut them down? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072207297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggek Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 On 9/3/2023 at 4:01 AM, Xilurm said: Why would Rockstar put support articles on how to download and join FiveM servers if they were going to shut them down? Where? They refer to cfx.re in their support articles, but prove me wrong with a link to that support article... Xilurm 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072208012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilurm Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, roggek said: Where? They refer to cfx.re in their support articles, but prove me wrong with a link to that support article... My bad, they don't offer download links for them. They have these two articles. https://support.rockstargames.com/articles/19450367937939/Support-for-Rockstar-Games-authorized-roleplay-and-community-created-servers https://support.rockstargames.com/articles/19450345507219/Support-and-policy-information-for-Rockstar-Games-authorized-roleplay-RP-and-community-created-servers Still, my point stands. Why help people with these if they were going to shut them down? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072208018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 If they wanted to they could drown them in C&D's. Acquiring them to shut them down makes little to no sense and would also mean they know they have no legal right to shut them down so it'd literally just be a hydra situation, shut down one platform and another three shall take it's place, yada yada. I fully understand being skeptical of what exactly this move means for R* and FiveM but tinfoil hat theory of this being some super sneaky method to literally acquire a company with the full intention of shutting it down years down the line... no, lol. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072208252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Lib Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 They tried C&D'ing it, didn't work out so well. I believe now they can make it closed source or something so the hydra doesn't grow more hears when they choke this one. I'm sorry, but I just can't be positive about anything Rockstar these days and this looks extremely suspiciously. Also, wouldn't be the first case of buyout-then-kill. EA and Westwood, Take Two and Squad (KSP developers). Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072208259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhyosbourne Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Great move from part of Rockstar, now they have total monopoly of GTA!... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072208448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 On 9/5/2023 at 3:07 AM, Claude_Lib said: They tried C&D'ing it, didn't work out so well. And yet people think them doing effectively exact same thing here would be any different? No lol. On 9/5/2023 at 3:07 AM, Claude_Lib said: I believe now they can make it closed source or something so the hydra doesn't grow more hears when they choke this one. There's other GTA V platforms beyond FiveM, that is the point. Those would become the new go to. There's a demand for these servers and that isn't going away. On 9/5/2023 at 3:07 AM, Claude_Lib said: Also, wouldn't be the first case of buyout-then-kill. EA and Westwood, Take Two and Squad (KSP developers). You're saying R*/T2 have acquired FiveM to intentionally kill the modding scene while using examples of completely different scenarios to back it up. Westwood, like a lot of studios, was not bought to be killed (the f*ck kind of business is that), it released games that flopped (for various reasons) and was shut down as a result. It's happened many many times. Take-Two also never killed Squad. Squad aren't a video game development company, KSP was a pet project by one of it's staff which Squad the company backed. After several years Squad sold the rights for KSP to Take-Two and went back to what they actually do as company. Like I've said, I think everyone is absolutely right to be skeptical of this, we're in unchartered territory and R*/T2's history with the modding community is a little iffy to say the least, but the whole conspiracy of them acquiring what is a pretty considerable team and platform with the intent of shutting it down is just a wee bit tin foil hatty. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072208627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilurm Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 This ain't just wee bit tin foil hatty. It's full blown Alex Jones "aliens are probing us in our sleep" type of conspiracy. I think people are just way too desperate for some GTAVI news that every day that passes without any is another day where Rockstar/T2 becomes more evil. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072208651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 On 9/5/2023 at 9:14 PM, Xilurm said: every day that passes without any is another day where Rockstar/T2 becomes more evil. Let's be honest with ourselves; T2 has been evil ever since my dad got ran over twenty years ago by a Plymouth with a T2 sticker on the back bumper Dom. 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072212298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanjay3207 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, universetwisters said: T2 has been evil ever since my dad got ran over twenty years ago by a Plymouth with a T2 sticker on the back bumper T2 was founded with good intentions and was dedicated to just making and publishing games. But the company went nearly bankrupt and in 2007/2008, Zelnick media group - strauss zelnick's private equity firm bought T2 and made it way too cooperate. Edited September 14, 2023 by sanjay3207 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072212563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Before Zelnick got involved Take-Two literally relied on Rockstar to keep them afloat, so when Zelnick came in his job was to reduce that dependency on R*. It worked for a while in fairness, Borderlands, BioShock, NBA's rise (though that's a horribly monetised game these days) and their more niche stuff (Civilisation, X-COM) all contributed to Take-Two's growth and them not needing R* to cover their losses. For one reason or another though, and I reckon the cost and increased development times of all games going up probably contributed it, they've once again increased that dependency on R* because they're typically a banker no matter what they do. The problem is their method to increase R*'s output of games was to farm out their classic games to third party developers who at worst fumbled it hard (DE trilogy) or at best did an okay but not special job (RDR1), which T2 overcharged for. The Prince Algie, DODI3OG, DRC.5 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072212599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanjay3207 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Jason said: Take-Two literally relied on Rockstar to keep them afloat, so when Zelnick came in his job was to reduce that dependency on R* Before zelnick got involved, T2/R* were getting sued left and right and everyone at the company thought that they are done for. IIRC, Leslie benzies said that before 2008, The morale at rockstar was very low and this low morale kind off contributed to gta 4's tone. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072212661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickTheScorpio Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 https://forum.cfx.re/t/cfx-re-community-pulse-september-2023-edition/5168954 Community pulse or more a community update Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072213241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
videotechuk_ Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Just had a look at the new TOS, some interesting tad bits. Rockstar and CFX have put in a place a new "Creator PLA agreement", a complete rewrite over the last TOS agreement. Here's are the main takeaways from the agreement, which mostly originate from the Rockstar Support agreement but in deeper context. platform-license-agreement-12-sept-2023.pdf (fivem.net) Every server needs to remove real life brands, or could face potential action in the near future. All servers must not have any AI tech (including ChatGPT!), or any real-life brand logos associated with them. Quote 4.2. Restrictions. Nothing in this Section 4 permits the use of the Creator Services, Covered Games or the elements thereof in any manner that: (1) violates the rights of any third party, any applicable law, rule, regulation, or the Agreement; (2) constitutes use as a brand, logo, or source identifier for goods or services in commerce; (3) violates the terms of Section 5 of this Creator PLA; or (4) relates to the development, training, enhancement, or provision of source material for any tool or computer program that uses algorithms or technology commonly known as artificial intelligence or machine learning to create or generate content including, without limitation, software code, written text, still or moving images, musical works, human voice emulation, audio material, or other audiovisual creative works based on text, image, sound prompts, or other inputs. Nothing in this Creator PLA grants you any right to use, reproduce, copy, adapt, edit, modify, distribute, perform, display, publish, broadcast, transmit, translate, create derivative works based on, or otherwise exploit the Covered Games other than as we expressly permit via the Creator Services. Nothing in this Section 4 permits you to reverse engineer, decompile, derive source code from, modify, adapt, translate, disassemble, or make derivative works based on the Creator Services. Servers are required to make sure they're not sponsored or endorsed by Rockstar. It may not seem there's going to be any official servers on the way, unless Rockstar makes one for FiveM and RedM. Quote 4.3. No Sponsorship or Endorsement. The Company operates the only “official” versions of the Covered Games’ multiplayer modes; while the creation and operation of Custom Servers is authorized subject to the terms of this Creator PLA, the Company does not approve, sponsor, or endorse any individual Custom Server. If you use the Operator Services, including to act as Server Admin for any Custom Server, you agree you will not use any elements of the Covered Games or the Company’s logos, trademarks, or other intellectual property in any manner that suggests that a Custom Server is approved, sponsored, or endorsed by the Company. Without limiting the foregoing, you may not use such elements or intellectual property as part of the name or branding associated with a Custom Server. All websites, product listings, storefronts, or other user-facing information related to a Custom Server must (1) clearly and conspicuously identify and provide a valid email contact for the individual(s) or entity that operates such Custom Server; and (2) include a clear and conspicuous disclaimer substantially similar to: “[CUSTOM SERVER NAME] IS NOT APPROVED, SPONSORED, OR ENDORSED BY ROCKSTAR GAMES.” No NFT's, lootboxes, cryptocurrencies, selling in-game items for real money, sponsorships with real life brands, etc are strictly not allowed Quote 4.4. Commercial Exploitation. You may not commercially exploit your use of the rights granted under the license, UGC, or any Custom Server through any of the following methods: (1) the sale of “loot boxes” or similar mechanics for real-world currency, cryptocurrency, or in-game currency; (2) the sale of in-game virtual currencies for real-world currency or cryptocurrency; (3) the operation of a Custom Server by, on behalf of, or in commercial association with, a third-party brand; (4) generating revenue through third-party endorsements, sponsorships, or the integration of third-party promotions or advertisements within a Custom Server; (5) facilitating the use, sale, or promotion of cryptocurrencies or crypto assets (e.g. “NFTs”). The foregoing list is not exhaustive ; we reserve the right to modify or amend this list at any time, and to suspend or prohibit any commercial exploitation of the Creator Services, UGC, or any Custom Server for any reason in our sole discretion. Nothing in this Creator PLA grants you the right to promote or imply that Your UGC (defined below) or Custom Server is “official,” or in any way sponsored or endorsed by the Company. As usual as before, Rockstar and Cfx will ban people for violating TOS. Cfx and Rockstar will also have access to a legal team for any legal action required. Quote C. If Your UGC or use of the Creator Services breaches any of the terms of this Creator PLA or the Agreement, or violates the Creator Policy, we reserve the right to take adverse action against you including, without limitation: suspending your access to some or all of the Creator Services, Online Services, or your User Account; terminating your access to the Creator Services, Online Services, or closing your User Account in accordance with the termination provisions of the Agreement; barring you from creating a User Account or accessing the Creator Services or Online Services in the future; or taking appropriate legal action to enforce the Agreement or our other rights under applicable law. This section of the agreement is telling servers owners they cannot use third-party music that has its own licenses, nor can you modify or manipulate voice recordings from the games covered by this agreement. Quote 5.6. Limitation on Musical Works and Modification of Voiceover Performances. You agree that you will not use the Creator Services to create, upload, or distribute any musical work or sample thereof that is subject to license by a third party including, without limitation, any performing rights organization such as the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP), Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI), SESAC or any similar international organization responsible for the licensing of public performance of musical sound recordings and/or compositions. For clarity, from time to time the Company may incorporate third-party musical works into a Covered Game, but nothing in this Creator PLA gives you the right to publicly perform, copy, distribute, sample, remix, or otherwise modify or exploit such musical works as part of your use of the Creator Services. You agree that you will not use the Creator Services to create, upload, or distribute any Server Content or Player Content that includes modifications or alterations to any voice recording, voiceover performance, or element thereof contained in a Covered Game. This is for content moderation... This one emphasizes that the company provides a platform for user-generated content, but they do not take responsibility for that content. They reserve the right to take action, such as removing or reporting content, but they are not obligated to do so, and they do not endorse or validate the content created by users. Users are responsible for their own UGC, and Rockstar is not liable for any consequences arising from it. Quote 5.7. Content Moderation. The Company has no obligation to host, maintain, or support any of Your UGC. You acknowledge and agree that the Company has not reviewed UGC that may be available on any Custom Server or via the Creator Services, nor does it confirm the accuracy, validity, or originality of the UGC created, uploaded, or distributed via the Creator Services. The Company is not obligated to actively monitor UGC, nor is the Company responsible for such content. The Company does not vouch for or warrant the validity, accuracy, completeness, security, quality, or compatibility of any UGC. UGC does not represent the views of the Company, its officers, directors, employees, agents, contractors, or any other person or property associated with the Company. The Company is not responsible for actions taken by any user of the Creator Services that impacts you or your use of the Creator Services. We reserve the right, but we are not obligated, to modify, take-down, suppress, block, hide, remove, or delete any or all UGC at our discretion, and to report any illegal UGC and related user information to the appropriate authorities. omori, Taterman, 44Orca and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072213559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted September 16, 2023 Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 Some of that was already not allowed under the old Cfx terms, but it's being made clearer to sync up with Rockstar's own roleplay server rules. Cfx already banned servers that used real life brands and such, though it was much harder to enforce with their original smaller team that didn't have as much legal power. All of that is good and expected really (and is also mostly what's been in R*'s own content policy for the last 10 or so years) - no copyrighted material, no impersonation saying your server is official, no AI (yay!), etc. I don't get the appeal of joining a server just to drive a bunch of Mustangs and Dodges anyway, show some originality EarthDiamond459 and videotechuk_ 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072213694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART_TRA Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 They started banning servers who broke the new TOS real quick. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072216451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 That is what Cfx themselves wanted too anyway, it was already bannable to have copyrighted content in servers but enforcement was difficult. Since last year that T2 are cracking down themselves too. Allowing people to use all kinds of copyrighted content in servers is a bit of a legal nightmare anywhere not just FiveM tbh. ART_TRA 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072216475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 It was inevitable, with or without R* acquiring FiveM. FiveM is simply too popular and it's presence on content sites like YouTube, Twitch and TikTok means it can't hide anymore. Real world brands were inevitably going to notice and were inevitably going to want to stop servers using their stuff w/o permission. The ToS update last year was the warning shot and clearly some servers continued to ignore it so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072216966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted September 29, 2023 Author Share Posted September 29, 2023 Anyone wanna work in the Cfx team? https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings/position/5739841003 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072221095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
videotechuk_ Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said: Anyone wanna work in the Cfx team? https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings/position/5739841003 I was not... expecting job listings? That's quite a sight to see. Big future for Cfx.re for sure! I wonder if FiveM now have a office in Rockstar London? Edited September 29, 2023 by videotechx Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072221109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted September 29, 2023 Author Share Posted September 29, 2023 Well makes sense now that they're a part of Rockstar corporate that R* will want to hire for that team I suppose. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072221114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim The Tool Bag Taylor Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 43 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said: Anyone wanna work in the Cfx team? https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings/position/5739841003 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072221124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msrae Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 4 hours ago, Spider-Vice said: Anyone wanna work in the Cfx team? https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings/position/5739841003 Product Manager opening is most intriguing. Did they have any sort of corporate structure before? Having stakeholders in charge sometimes upsets the apple cart. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072221400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 That's some deep undercover stuff, hiring people to work on FiveM when their plan is actually to shut it down. :^) 5 hours ago, msrae said: Product Manager opening is most intriguing. Did they have any sort of corporate structure before? Having stakeholders in charge sometimes upsets the apple cart. Not that I'm aware, it's leadership for years was famously a bit of a mess. The lead guy behind it would every now and then get sick and tired of dealing with it and literally shut the entire thing down in rage lol. It seemed to have calmed down a year or so ago which sorta fits with the idea that R* were working with Cfx on this for a good while, so they probably cleaned up their act around then. But yea, R* looking for someone to manage the project isn't that surprising given how it was run in the past. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072221658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tez2 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) On 9/29/2023 at 8:12 PM, msrae said: Product Manager opening is most intriguing. Did they have any sort of corporate structure before? Having stakeholders in charge sometimes upsets the apple cart. If they had one, the current transition would have been much smoother and probably wouldn't have experienced much delays in terms of updates to the repo on Github. Although, that's expected for a modding platform. I'm sure Rockstar will want to link that repo to Bugstar or an internal platform. Or they may have already did that by now. And we could see changes to the issues on the repo with severity rating and to separate security vulnerabilities from game bugs. And internally status reports of the progress on each assigned issue. They may revisit old issues now with direct contact to the devs. Edited October 1, 2023 by Tez2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072223043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
videotechuk_ Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Tez2 said: If they had one, the current transition would have been much smoother and probably wouldn't have experienced much delays in terms of updates to the repo on Github. Although, that's expected for a modding platform. I'm sure Rockstar will want to link that repo to Bugstar or an internal platform. Or they may have already did that by now. And we could see changes to the issues on the repo with severity rating and to separate security vulnerabilities from game bugs. And internally status reports of the progress on each assigned issue. They may revisit old issues now with direct contact to the devs. Are you expecting changes to the FiveM Patreon in the coming months? It wouldn't really work if Rockstar continues to rely on Patreon for extra features. For Rockstar's benefit, it would probably be better for them to integrate a subscription service within the RGL instead? What's your take on this? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/992169-cfxre-fivem-is-now-a-part-of-rockstar-games/page/13/#findComment-1072223095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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