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Idk man, I think Toni was perfectly fine with being second in charge as opposed to the big cheese. 

Not only that but idk what Toni would do to betray Sal or why Sal would believe he would. They got history, it's not like he's a fly by night outsider like Claude or CJ was 

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29 minutes ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Claude didn’t betray salavtore cj did 

CJ betrayed Claude? What do you mean?

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On 3/22/2023 at 7:05 PM, universetwisters said:

Idk man, I think Toni was perfectly fine with being second in charge as opposed to the big cheese. 

Not only that but idk what Toni would do to betray Sal or why Sal would believe he would. They got history, it's not like he's a fly by night outsider like Claude or CJ was 

Still not convinced he betray everyone 

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2 hours ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Still not convinced he betray everyone 


Who did he betray other than Claude? Claude isn’t everyone 

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2 hours ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Cj and Maria 


He didn’t betray CJ, CJ betrayed him

 

Idk if Maria betraying him is completely unwarranted since he was a sh*tty husband to her and kinda abusive tbh 

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Judging by The Sicilian Gambit's final cutscene, Toni is disappointed when he learns that Salvatore will only give him half a million dollars as opposed to a "couple" or simply one million dollars. So who knows, had things played differently, maybe Toni would've made a move against Sal. It would've been quite ironic for his most trusted man to end up betraying him. Poor Sal can't catch a break.

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2 hours ago, Legomanarthur said:

Judging by The Sicilian Gambit's final cutscene, Toni is disappointed when he learns that Salvatore will only give him half a million dollars as opposed to a "couple" or simply one million dollars. So who knows, had things played differently, maybe Toni would've made a move against Sal. It would've been quite ironic for his most trusted man to end up betraying him. Poor Sal can't catch a break.

Thanks you for seeing my point of view 

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4 hours ago, Legomanarthur said:

Judging by The Sicilian Gambit's final cutscene, Toni is disappointed when he learns that Salvatore will only give him half a million dollars as opposed to a "couple" or simply one million dollars. 


I remember seeing that and being really confused, like it’s not like they discussed Toni getting a couple million anywhere earlier within the story.

 

Even then, I don’t see Toni using that as an excuse to off Salvatore. I mean he already has a big ol mansion in Shoreside Vale, what else could he need? Not only that but it’s pretty funny and a fitting end for the game that, considering how much Toni gets bossed around, even he has to compromise with just half a million and doesn’t really put up much of a fight because it’s Salvatore 

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30 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


I remember seeing that and being really confused, like it’s not like they discussed Toni getting a couple million anywhere earlier within the story.

 

Even then, I don’t see Toni using that as an excuse to off Salvatore. I mean he already has a big ol mansion in Shoreside Vale, what else could he need? Not only that but it’s pretty funny and a fitting end for the game that, considering how much Toni gets bossed around, even he has to compromise with just half a million and doesn’t really put up much of a fight because it’s Salvatore 

Whatever 

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7 hours ago, universetwisters said:


I remember seeing that and being really confused, like it’s not like they discussed Toni getting a couple million anywhere earlier within the story.

 

Even then, I don’t see Toni using that as an excuse to off Salvatore. I mean he already has a big ol mansion in Shoreside Vale, what else could he need? Not only that but it’s pretty funny and a fitting end for the game that, considering how much Toni gets bossed around, even he has to compromise with just half a million and doesn’t really put up much of a fight because it’s Salvatore 

Yeah honestly I can't remember if those millions were even mentioned beforehand, but It's been a while since I've played LCS so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

 

And yeah I don't see Toni betraying him for this reason either. In fact, he never did so there's that. And as you said, Toni is already well off at this point in the game and half a million plus Salvatore's entire trust are certainly more than enough for a guy like Toni. Still, it would've been an interesting twist if by GTA III Toni grew resentful of Salvatore with the intention of overthrowing him. Not necessarily because of money but because of Sal's decisions perhaps and/or their friendship deteriorating or something.

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2 hours ago, Legomanarthur said:

Yeah honestly I can't remember if those millions were even mentioned beforehand, but It's been a while since I've played LCS so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

 

And yeah I don't see Toni betraying him for this reason either. In fact, he never did so there's that. And as you said, Toni is already well off at this point in the game and half a million plus Salvatore's entire trust are certainly more than enough for a guy like Toni. Still, it would've been an interesting twist if by GTA III Toni grew resentful of Salvatore with the intention of overthrowing him. Not necessarily because of money but because of Sal's decisions perhaps and/or their friendship deteriorating or something.

Salavtore could turn on him 

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1 hour ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Salavtore could turn on him 


But again, what reason would Sal have to turn on Toni, the most loyal and possibly best earner in his organization?

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25 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


But again, what reason would Sal have to turn on Toni, the most loyal and possibly best earner in his organization?

Whatever i believe what I want to not gonna argue with you I think he would 

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4 minutes ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Whatever i believe what I want to not gonna argue with you I think he would 


Why do you think Sal would betray Toni?

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6 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


Why do you think Sal would betray Toni?

Because he betray people even  loyal to him now not gonna argue 

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39 minutes ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Because he betray people even  loyal to him now not gonna argue 


Im genuinely not trying to argue with you, I’m just asking what Sal would gain from betraying Toni other than “he betrayed Claude”. It’s not like we’ve seen any reason why Sal would want to bump off Toni or see any other reason as to why he’d want Toni gone 

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13 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


Im genuinely not trying to argue with you, I’m just asking what Sal would gain from betraying Toni other than “he betrayed Claude”. It’s not like we’ve seen any reason why Sal would want to bump off Toni or see any other reason as to why he’d want Toni gone 

He would likely find a reason people can find a reason to betray even if it something you didn’t do 

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Just now, Gamergirl4559 said:

He would likely find a reason people can find a reason to betray even if it something you didn’t do 


That’s true, but I just can’t think of any logical reason why he’d want to cut Toni out of the picture since he’s already a good earner for his organization (same with Luigi and Joey I suppose) and they go back a long time.
 

It’s not like Toni’s in the same position as Claude where he’s a newcomer and Maria spread rumors about him to Sal and Sal believes Maria’s word over Claude’s because Claude’s just a newbie.

 

If Sal cuts Toni out, who will run the rackets that Toni controlled? I felt like the only ones that were at an equatable rank to Toni by the time III took place was Luigi and Joey. Luigi was already busy with his club and Joey didn’t really seem to have much interest in the family business

 

Like I get what you’re trying to say but, if you wanna present an idea, the burden of (hypothetical) proof is on you.

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21 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


That’s true, but I just can’t think of any logical reason why he’d want to cut Toni out of the picture since he’s already a good earner for his organization (same with Luigi and Joey I suppose) and they go back a long time.
 

It’s not like Toni’s in the same position as Claude where he’s a newcomer and Maria spread rumors about him to Sal and Sal believes Maria’s word over Claude’s because Claude’s just a newbie.

 

If Sal cuts Toni out, who will run the rackets that Toni controlled? I felt like the only ones that were at an equatable rank to Toni by the time III took place was Luigi and Joey. Luigi was already busy with his club and Joey didn’t really seem to have much interest in the family business

 

Like I get what you’re trying to say but, if you wanna present an idea, the burden of (hypothetical) proof is on you.

But still possible not changing my opinion people will always find a reason to get rid of you especially someone like Salvatore if it would benefit himself or he gain something or get more power then yes likely he find a reason to get rid of you could be the most loyal person to someone they would still find a way to get rid of you if they gain something or no longer need you it happens I been there 

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15 minutes ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

But still possible not changing my opinion people will always find a reason to get rid of you especially someone like Salvatore if it would benefit himself or he gain something or get more power then yes likely he find a reason to get rid of you could be the most loyal person to someone they would still find a way to get rid of you if they gain something or no longer need you it happens I been there 


Im not trying to change your opinion; you’re as entitled to yours as I am to mine. I’m just asking why Sal would betray Toni and what he would have to gain from it. Sal’s already at the top of the food chain so I don’t think there’s much more ladders he could climb, especially by turning on someone who’s below him as opposed to the next person up from him

 

This is like saying “Sal would burn his house down if it would benefit himself” or “Sal would murder his son Joey with his bare hands to get ahead”. Idk it seems like you’re trying to present a hypothetical outcome to a narrative that you aren’t expanding on and a narrative that very likely wouldn’t exist given what’s already been established about the characters

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19 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


Im not trying to change your opinion; you’re as entitled to yours as I am to mine. I’m just asking why Sal would betray Toni and what he would have to gain from it. Sal’s already at the top of the food chain so I don’t think there’s much more ladders he could climb, especially by turning on someone who’s below him as opposed to the next person up from him

 

This is like saying “Sal would burn his house down if it would benefit himself” or “Sal would murder his son Joey with his bare hands to get ahead”. Idk it seems like you’re trying to present a hypothetical outcome to a narrative that you aren’t expanding on and a narrative that very likely wouldn’t exist given what’s already been established about the characters

Well still possible knowing him

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19 minutes ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Well still possible knowing him


The big question tho is still “what would Sal gain that’s realistically worth taking out his biggest earner”

 

 

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26 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


The big question tho is still “what would Sal gain that’s realistically worth taking out his biggest earner”

 

 

More power possibly or he would come up with something knowing him 

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1 hour ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

More power possibly or he would come up with something knowing him 


But again, what power could Sal get by taking out someone under him in rank? What reason could Sal possibly come up with to take out Toni? “He could come up with something” doesn’t really cut it imo because that just seems like a cheap answer to any hypothetical narrative like “Why would X kill Y?” “He’ll think of something”.

 

I can imagine Donald Love betraying Toni more than Sal doing so. He could’ve got Claude to off him because he knew too much about his involvement with blowing up Fort Staunton, for example. I think that’s a lot more plausible than “oh I think he’ll come up with a reason”

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46 minutes ago, universetwisters said:


But again, what power could Sal get by taking out someone under him in rank? What reason could Sal possibly come up with to take out Toni? “He could come up with something” doesn’t really cut it imo because that just seems like a cheap answer to any hypothetical narrative like “Why would X kill Y?” “He’ll think of something”.

 

I can imagine Donald Love betraying Toni more than Sal doing so. He could’ve got Claude to off him because he knew too much about his involvement with blowing up Fort Staunton, for example. I think that’s a lot more plausible than “oh I think he’ll come up with a reason”

Claude wouldn’t agree to ice Toni 

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1 minute ago, Gamergirl4559 said:

Claude wouldn’t agree to ice Toni 


Tbh he agreed to ice Kenji so idk why he wouldn’t ice Toni 

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