Beta RDR1 ped/npc Jack

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

So, a while ago i remember i found that Jack's npc texture had his classic 1914 red striped bandana and a hat.

I also noticed there was a lot of other stuff underneath the texture that weren't used. 

Looking in the Undead Nightmare files, i found a ped named blackwaterkid that not only has some resemblance to 16 year old Jack but also uses the same exact textures, and it's obvious that final version Jack reused those textures but with a few edits and a lot of new stuff over it.

 

This ped is only in UN.

 

Here is 16 year old Jack as we see in the game: 

 

 

 

 

This is blackwaterkid:

 

 

 

A comparison: 

 

 

Playable Jack;

 

 

Now the model:

 

 

 

 

You can see the model is not exactly finished as it has some weird textures on his shoulder. 

 

Now i have two theories for this:

 

1- This is not beta Jack, it's in fact a beta ped that was cut and they reused his model for John's son, and edited the model and the textures for it.

 

2-This is beta Jack, but under a different name. Not all RDR1 peds have obvious names, for example, Bill is "firstoldfriend", Javier is "secondoldfriend", Dutch is "nemesis", npc Jack is "son", Bonnie is "rancherdaughter" etc. Maybe Jack's name was "blackwaterkid" but later was changed. The bandana being used in player_jack could be a giveaway that npc Jack was meant to use that same bandana and that adult Jack wearing it was a callback from those times,  but eventually the beta npc Jack version with that bandana was cut. 

 

Either way, it's clear that npc Jack's textures were made after this ped's texture.

 

Edited January 6 by GuiCORLEONEx794

[Old Man With No Name]

this beta dude looks javier and dutch too

[TheMadTitan]

22 hours ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

So, a while ago i remember i found that Jack's npc texture had his classic 1914 red striped bandana and a hat.

I also noticed there was a lot of other stuff underneath the texture that weren't used. 

Looking in the Undead Nightmare files, i found a ped named blackwaterkid that not only has some resemblance to 16 year old Jack but also uses the same exact textures, and it's obvious that final version Jack reused those textures but with a few edits and a lot of new stuff over it.

 

This ped is only in UN.

 

Here is 16 year old Jack as we see in the game: 

 

 

 

 

This is blackwaterkid:

 

 

 

A comparison: 

 

 

Playable Jack;

 

 

Now the model:

 

 

 

 

You can see the model is not exactly finished as it has some weird textures on his shoulder. 

 

Now i have two theories for this:

 

1- This is not beta Jack, it's in fact a beta ped that was cut and they reused his model for John's son, and edited the model and the textures for it.

 

2-This is beta Jack, but under a different name. Not all RDR1 peds have obvious names, for example, Bill is "firstoldfriend", Javier is "secondoldfriend", Dutch is "nemesis", npc Jack is "son", Bonnie is "rancherdaughter" etc. Maybe Jack's name was "blackwaterkid" but later was changed. The bandana being used in player_jack could be a giveaway that npc Jack was meant to use that same bandana and that adult Jack wearing it was a callback from those times,  but eventually the beta npc Jack version with that bandana was cut. 

 

Either way, it's clear that npc Jack's textures were made after this ped's texture.

 

Amazing find! I always wanted for more RDR1 Beta content to be found, which the hunt has always been limited compared to other big Rockstar games, for obvious reasons. Do you have any more finds? I'd love to see post some of the other unused/cut stuff you may have found.

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

5 minutes ago, TheMadTitan said:

Amazing find! I always wanted for more RDR1 Beta content to be found, which the hunt has always been limited compared to other big Rockstar games, for obvious reasons. Do you have any more finds? I'd love to see post some of the other unused/cut stuff you may have found.

 

I did find some more stuff a while ago but since i didn't post most of them before i don't remember where they are, but some of them i posted here

[TheMadTitan]

38 minutes ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

 

I did find some more stuff a while ago but since i didn't post most of them before i don't remember where they are, but some of them i posted here

I checked it out. Thank you, great finds too.

[undergroundvicious]

This could become the "The Red Dead Redemption Beta Hunt" hehe

 

I've always wondered if the beta John's face and the Marshall Uniform were still in the game files. I've heard about a bow too. The double bandolier is on the game, accessible by glitching the Bandito Outfit (IIRC this was found by you too, right?).

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

5 hours ago, undergroundvicious said:

This could become the "The Red Dead Redemption Beta Hunt" hehe

 

I've always wondered if the beta John's face and the Marshall Uniform were still in the game files. I've heard about a bow too. The double bandolier is on the game, accessible by glitching the Bandito Outfit (IIRC this was found by you too, right?).

 

Most of John's beta content was completely, cut, so you don't have John's marshall uniform or the bureau outfit for example. Jack's marshall outfit texture still has the sheriff badge but unused, and John Marston's face normal map still has the beta hairline, and that hairline was used later by Red Harlow's RDR1 MP model. Also about the Bandito outfit, i did find the model but i doubt i was the first one to find it as people has been glitching it for years. I also think the bandito outfit wasn't necessarily cut, but maybe they f*cked up something during development so the bandito only spawned with one bandolier, nobody knows though.

 

This is what happens if you give John Red Harlow's hairline, which is reused from beta John:

 

 

It doesn't look right because this John wasn't meant to have this hairline, but it fits earlier versions of John's face, plus the hair looks obviously different from beta cuz all i did was erase the strings on his forehead with texture editing

 

 

(This is also the hairline you see in most of his artworks)

Edited January 8 by GuiCORLEONEx794

[undergroundvicious]

7 minutes ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

Most of John's beta content was completely, cut, so you don't have John's marshall uniform or the bureau outfit for example. Jack's marshall outfit texture still has the sheriff badge but unused, and John Marston's face normal map still has the beta hairline, and that hairline was used later by Red Harlow's RDR1 MP model.

 

This is what happens if you give John Red Harlow's hairline, which is reused form beta John:

 

It doesn't look right because this John wasn't meant to have this hairline, but it fits earlier versions of John's face, plus the hair looks obviously different from beta cuz all i did was erase the strings on his forehead with texture editing

 

(This is also the hairline you see in most of his artworks)

Really nice finds! I never noticed those details. I always thought there were a good amount of cut content and beta files on the game's folders - and we were unable to check them because of the lack of tools.

 

Only a few things were discovered, like the mission for Mother Superior, and the Dwarf/Giant one. Really cool to see you bringing up this stuff, like the models, textures, etc. 

 

Are there any unused stuff on the map? I remember some differences shown on the gameplay trailer/retail release, like the Cassino on a steam boat on Blackwater.  There are some stuff here too - posted here:

 

 

[Jisoo]

Cool find! Heres a few pre release screenshots posted by someone in 2017 that was shared here some years ago, but probably some who hasnt seen them

https://imgur.com/uA0R84b
https://imgur.com/J6UMMlZ

https://imgur.com/wkkbjt4

https://imgur.com/0ynSeM5

https://imgur.com/NLdZfEU

https://imgur.com/iosEC3X

https://imgur.com/GoOGsX5

Edited January 9 by Jisoo
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[GuiCORLEONEx794]

Its seems that Ross and Fordham were meant to be at the boat in Exodus in America:

 

 

If you watch the intro in the final version of the game they are nowhere to be seen, and it is implied that they were waiting for John at the docks. The game doesn't show John meeting them and when the camera turns back to John after he leaves the boat he is already with both agents

 

Btw why doesn't the guy on the right have hands?

[KristianD3]

2 hours ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

Btw why doesn't the guy on the right have hands?

He's a veteran

[undergroundvicious]

6 hours ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

Its seems that Ross and Fordham were meant to be at the boat in Exodus in America:

 

 

If you watch the intro in the final version of the game they are nowhere to be seen, and it is implied that they were waiting for John at the docks. The game doesn't show John meeting them and when the camera turns back to John after he leaves the boat he is already with both agents

 

Btw why doesn't the guy on the right have hands?

Did you get him on the cutscene by editing files or just cam hack?

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

2 hours ago, undergroundvicious said:

Did you get him on the cutscene by editing files or just cam hack?

It's a screenshot release by Rockstar games before the game was released

[stag3coach2]

On 1/10/2023 at 3:03 PM, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

 

Btw why doesn't the guy on the right have hands?

He was born that way :_(

[undergroundvicious]

Found on Reddit, Dutch has a detailed dead model - even if the player can't see it ingame (kinda creepy lol)

 

Spoiler

 

[jacqueks]

On 1/14/2023 at 4:24 AM, undergroundvicious said:

Found on Reddit, Dutch has a detailed dead model - even if the player can't see it ingame (kinda creepy lol)

 

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Maybe dutch was meant to die differently

[undergroundvicious]

CabooseSaysWTF was able to "restore" two cut guns ingame:

 

 

Edited January 28 by undergroundvicious