GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 8] - The Rabbit Hole

[44Orca]

1 minute ago, REVENGE777 said:

I’ve been saying the same thing. People are hating hard right now but I guarantee she’s gonna be the most popular gta protag ever. Naysayers wait and see, they can quote me on that

I'll wait to see how she's written, her story and all that. I also think it will go really well.

I hope.

[lngtrw]

4 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

I’ve been saying the same thing. People are hating hard right now but I guarantee she’s gonna be the most popular gta protag ever. Naysayers wait and see, they can quote me on that

I really don't get why people hate the fact of having a female protag? 

She's hot and badass, I'd choose her over Jason, any day 

Edited November 12, 2022 by lngtrw

[MaddenedGhost]

5 hours ago, GTA Plus Enjoyer said:

 

Mirrors in cars should be ray-traced, but only for the car the player is driving. Other cars (empty or driven by NPCs, basically any car not driven by the player) should have disabled ray-traced reflections in mirrors, to save performance.

 

Another sulution would be selective raytracing like in some racing games, so you have a scene with multiple cars around you, not all of them get reflected in the mirrors or body of the vehicle, the game picks and chooses which one based on some factors like how close a car is and stuff like that.

 

I feel like the problem with RT reflections and performance will be real in multiplayer where things will inevitably get crazier and crazier with more things happening on screen at once.

[Kris194]

8 minutes ago, lngtrw said:

I really don't get why people hate the fact of having a female protag? 

Immaturity, that's it. Imagine someone saying, that he won't watch Tomb Raider movie because woman is a main character  I swear, some "gamers" got stuck in 90s and early 2000s.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Kris194

[MaddenedGhost]

4 hours ago, David0147 said:

I mean RDR2 did have 3 basic body-weight models for Arthur, I can see them implementing the same system at the very least as is from RDR2.

yeah but why? the weight and food system was one of the annoying things about GTASA.

 

Keep  the extreme realism to RDR2  

[44Orca]

5 minutes ago, lngtrw said:

I really don't get why people hate the fact of having a female protag? 

Some kids and the "I only play as man" players aside. Some are sort of concerned with how they will write her. They do make a good point there but we should wait when it's out and we see the story and her character. I also hope she's far unique and not anything generic like I implied above comment.

[lngtrw]

1 minute ago, Kris194 said:

Immaturity, that's it. Imagine someone saying, that he won't watch Tomb Raider movie because woman is a main character  I swear, some "gamers" got stuck in 90s and early 2000s.

Someone said Feminism ruined the game (GTA 6) 

[MaddenedGhost]

Just now, Kris194 said:

Immaturity, that's it. Imagine someone saying, that he won't watch Tomb Raider movie because woman is a main character  I swear, some gamers got stuck in 90s and early 2000s.

The Tomb Raider games started in the 90s lol

 

 

[Drimes]

1 minute ago, lngtrw said:

Someone said Feminism ruined the game (GTA 6) 

Lucias booty about to ruin my focus 

[MaddenedGhost]

8 minutes ago, 44Orca said:

Some kids and the "I only play as man" players aside. Some are sort of concerned with how they will write her. They do make a good point there but we should wait when it's out and we see the story and her character. I also hope she's far unique and not anything generic like I implied above comment.

The problem I see with people asking about the whole "she should be well written" stuff is how it's not nearly as much of a concern for the male protagonist.

 

"Male Protagonist? cool, whatever.

Female protagonist? Well I hope she's well written."

 

I know it's not everyone and god knows people at least here have their issues with GTA protagonists from the previous games, but this argument in particular is being brought up a lot for the female.

 

Edit: Time to call myself out for this because I did it as soon as she was confirmed to be a protagonist, my immediate reaction was to say I hope she's well written, but in my defense, I said so because I am planning to pick her for most of my playthrough lol and also in response to people idolizing Sadie in RDR2 despite her flaws, here's hoping both protagonists are well written because we'll probably be stuck with them for a looooong time 

Edited November 12, 2022 by MaddenedGhost

[lngtrw]

I read somewhere (idk where) that Lucia might be of Dominican origin. Could that imply that she's the daughter of Luis Lopez?

[Kris194]

5 hours ago, MaddenedGhost said:

yeah but why? the weight and food system was one of the annoying things about GTASA.

 

Keep  the extreme realism to RDR2  

Good to know that eating and gaining/losing weight is extreme realism. I'm wondering what some people would say about cleaning house 

 

5 hours ago, MaddenedGhost said:

The Tomb Raider games started in the 90s lol

Yes but still, those were just one of the very few and they weren't anywhere as popular as nowadays.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Kris194

[David0147]

3 minutes ago, MaddenedGhost said:

Female protagonist? Well I hope she's well written.

The biggest concern is that as we've seen for so long, any recently released piece of media that advertised a female protagonist made it so just for the sake of being inclusive and it serving as a way for directors to get their political ideas across.

[Drimes]

2 minutes ago, MaddenedGhost said:

The problem I see with people asking about the whole "she should be well written" stuff is how it's not nearly as much of a concern for the male protagonist.

 

"Male Protagonist? cool, whatever.

Female protagonist? Well I hope she's well written."

 

I know it's not everyone and god knows people at least here have their issues with GTA protagonists from the previous games, but this argument in particular is being brought up a lot for the female.

There's a chance of a Sadie Adler 2.0 minus the widow element, so Lucia might not be that crazy to begin with. Sadie left a sour taste in a lot of boys mouths because of her rebelling, but then she grew on me as she helped our boahs. As long as she's not being overly obnoxious, she's good in my book. 

[MaddenedGhost]

Just now, Kris194 said:

Good to know that eating and gaining/losing wait is extreme realism. I'm wondering what some people would say about cleaning house 

 

 

When it affects gameplay like it does in RDR2 (and it did in GTASA) it's not the same.

Just now, Drimes said:

There's a chance of a Sadie Adler 2.0 minus the widow element, so Lucia might not be that crazy to begin with. Sadie left a sour taste in a lot of boys mouths because of her rebelling, but then she grew on me as she helped our boahs. As long as she's not being overly obnoxious, she's good in my book. 

Lol I edited my comment to include Sadie in my argument just before you posted this.

 

But yeah I agree.

[REVENGE777]

5 minutes ago, MaddenedGhost said:

The problem I see with people asking about the whole "she should be well written" stuff is how it's not nearly as much of a concern for the male protagonist.

 

"Male Protagonist? cool, whatever.

Female protagonist? Well I hope she's well written."

 

I know it's not everyone and god knows people at least here have their issues with GTA protagonists from the previous games, but this argument in particular is being brought up a lot for the female.

To be fair, I’m sure everyone’s always argued “I’d like X protagonist as long as their well written”. Regardless of their race or gender.  With this being a first for the series I get the concern. Nobody wants something forced and shoehorned in, no matter what it is. Before V came out and we were getting another black protagonist I really wanted him to be a well written fleshed out character, and he very much wasn’t.

[MaddenedGhost]

1 minute ago, David0147 said:

The biggest concern is that as we've seen for so long, any recently released piece of media that advertised a female protagonist made it so just for the sake of being inclusive and it serving as a way for directors to get their political ideas across.

I get the concern but I think many people just automatically dismiss female leads just because of the few bad examples, I mean Horizon, Control and Tomb Raider have female leads and they are very well written characters, just to name a few.

[REVENGE777]

13 minutes ago, MaddenedGhost said:

yeah but why? the weight and food system was one of the annoying things about GTASA.

 

Keep  the extreme realism to RDR2  

I disagree. Yeah the starving to death system was annoying but I enjoyed being able to change the weight of the character.

[Drimes]

3 minutes ago, Kris194 said:

I'm wondering what some people would say about cleaning house 

I'm all for cleaning and doing the dishes as long as I get to watch Lucias big booty

[44Orca]

9 minutes ago, MaddenedGhost said:

The problem I see with people asking about the whole "she should be well written" stuff is how it's not nearly as much of a concern for the male protagonist.

 

"Male Protagonist? cool, whatever.

Female protagonist? Well I hope she's well written."

 

I know it's not everyone and god knows people at least here have their issues with GTA protagonists from the previous games, but this argument in particular is being brought up a lot for the female.

I don't think writing a female protagonist is as easy as the male ones. Tell me how would you write her.

I don't want her to be another Catalina 

Edited November 12, 2022 by 44Orca

[PolandMountain]

17 minutes ago, MaddenedGhost said:

yeah but why? the weight and food system was one of the annoying things about GTASA.

 

Keep  the extreme realism to RDR2  

Realism in RDR 2 was very good thing and I think that It would fit modern GTA perfectly, It's just some bullsh*t mechanics that they need to get rid off, like bounty and wanted system and slow scrolling through virtual book just to check one category of items instead of all available clothing items at once.

This is not going to be a thing in VI but losing your horse in RDR 2 is so stupid, you level up bound with your horse for 4 or 5 hours to lose it because sheriff shoot your horse and shoot you shortly after in gunfight.

 

Yes I did few edits to the comment, I am a bit drunk today.

Edited November 12, 2022 by PolandMountain

[lngtrw]

1 minute ago, Drimes said:

I'm all for cleaning and doing the dishes as long as I get to watch Lucias big booty

I will die many times on missions, just because of this

[Kris194]

2 minutes ago, Drimes said:

There's a chance of a Sadie Adler 2.0 minus the widow element, so Lucia might not be that crazy to begin with. Sadie left a sour taste in a lot of boys mouths because of her rebelling, but then she grew on me as she helped our boahs. As long as she's not being overly obnoxious, she's good in my book. 

Keyword: boys. Probably only boys couldn't understand her behavior at the beginning of the game. IMO she's easily among best written characters Rockstar has ever created.

[MaddenedGhost]

Just now, 44Orca said:

I don't think writing a female protagonist is as easy as the male ones. Tell me how would you write her

I am nowhere near qualified to have a say on the matter but I just think a female protagonist, or any protagonist for that matter should have a balance to what they're capable of doing, there should be tasks that aren't easily achieved for the leads, there should be moments of weaknesses, flaws... things to be admired and criticized about the personalities, it's what makes them realistic.

[PolandMountain]

I am fine with Female protag as long it's not your average Holywood stereotype of STRONG WOMAN.

Edited November 12, 2022 by PolandMountain

[tabajara]

4 minutes ago, Kris194 said:

Keyword: boys. Probably only boys couldn't understand her behavior at the beginning of the game. IMO she's easily among best written characters Rockstar has ever created.

Sadie was annoying as hell most of the time

[David0147]

5 minutes ago, 44Orca said:

I don't think writing a female protagonist is as easy as the male ones. Tell me how would you write her.

I don't want her to be another Catalina 

I think the best way to go about writing a female character is "write a character like any other. She just happens to be female."

 

If you go to a writing team and tell them to write a GTA protagonist and leave out their sex, but giving them personality guidelines and they manage to write something good, sex shouldn't matter nor would it be noticeable. If you get a good character and then start to focus on "but she's a woman", yikes.

[tabajara]

8 minutes ago, REVENGE777 said:

I disagree. Yeah the starving to death system was annoying but I enjoyed being able to change the weight of the character.

A upgraded RDR2 weight system would be the best of both worlds

[lngtrw]

has this ever been debunked? 

 

Oh just noticed it's a 4chan leak

 

 

[MaddenedGhost]

1 minute ago, Kris194 said:

Keyword: boys. Probably only boys couldn't understand her behavior at the beginning of the game. IMO she's easily among best written characters Rockstar has ever created.

See, that's the issue I got with Sadie and people who idolize her, she has flaws that people are welling to ignore for whatever reason, any other point is "boys" like you just did here.

 

She's an absolute badass; has some awesome moments like when she got the gang back together and the final missions in chapter 6 where she was basically your companion fixing all that mess but she gets ridiculous at times that to me it kinda ruined her character, I get it, revenge and tragedy but eeeeh not sure if it was well presented at it could have been.

 

Aloy in Horizon is awesome, she's very powerful but she has moments where she was wrong, and could be criticized for being so, I feel like Lara Croft in the last Tomb Raider was similar in that regard, she was acting selfishly the entire first portion of the game from what I remember, then she came around and realized she had to change her was.