Theory: Claude and Claude Speed are indeed the same person - Full story

[Comrade Monke]

Here's a theory I came up with, it's probably flawed and falls apart if you think about it for more than 6 seconds, but I still wanted to post it just for fun:

 

Claude begun as a small time racer and criminal in San Fiero, and through unknown means gained ownership of a garage. There he met Catalina, and after losing a race to Carl Johnson, gave him ownership of the garage. We know that Claude and Catalina begun a 9 year crime journey to get to Liberty city, however it's impossible for it to have taken that long unless they lived in another location for some years before actually going to LC. That's where Anywhere city comes in our story. Catalina and Claude split up for some time, with Catalina travelling to various locations and eventually becoming high-ranking in the Colombian Cartel, and Claude going to Anywhere city. During his stay at anywhere city, he starts to transform from a small-time thug to the more experienced silent bank robber we see in GTA 3. He starts working for various gangs, and weakens the Zaibatsu corporation, including stealing a van full of crates containing a mysterious drug as seen in the GTA 2 film. As seen in the film, Claude is unfortunately eventually discovered by a Zaibatsu assassin, who shoots him thrice. Claude survived this, but the gunshots and the psychological shock he suffered left him mute, only being able to make very few sounds like grunts or breathing sounds. Eventually he manages to get all anywhere city gang leaders killed, and reunites with Catalina to travel to liberty city, where the events of the GTA 3 storyline take place. Donald Love is after this mysterious package which the Colombian Cartel is also after. I believe this package contains the Zaibatsu drugs we see in the GTA 2 film, and the drugs have been used by the Colombian Cartel for quite some time to produce SPANK, an altered and more powerful version of the Zaibatsu drugs.

 

Thoughts?

[E Revere]

Not a bad theory, to be honest. Like you said, it's likely illogical but a still pretty fun theory.

[atay26]

Unlikely but I see where your coming from, good work

[Guest]

On 8/13/2022 at 6:23 AM, Comrade Monke said:

Here's a theory I came up with, it's probably flawed and falls apart if you think about it for more than 6 seconds, but I still wanted to post it just for fun:

 

Claude begun as a small time racer and criminal in San Fiero, and through unknown means gained ownership of a garage. There he met Catalina, and after losing a race to Carl Johnson, gave him ownership of the garage. We know that Claude and Catalina begun a 9 year crime journey to get to Liberty city, however it's impossible for it to have taken that long unless they lived in another location for some years before actually going to LC. That's where Anywhere city comes in our story. Catalina and Claude split up for some time, with Catalina travelling to various locations and eventually becoming high-ranking in the Colombian Cartel, and Claude going to Anywhere city. During his stay at anywhere city, he starts to transform from a small-time thug to the more experienced silent bank robber we see in GTA 3. He starts working for various gangs, and weakens the Zaibatsu corporation, including stealing a van full of crates containing a mysterious drug as seen in the GTA 2 film. As seen in the film, Claude is unfortunately eventually discovered by a Zaibatsu assassin, who shoots him thrice. Claude survived this, but the gunshots and the psychological shock he suffered left him mute, only being able to make very few sounds like grunts or breathing sounds. Eventually he manages to get all anywhere city gang leaders killed, and reunites with Catalina to travel to liberty city, where the events of the GTA 3 storyline take place. Donald Love is after this mysterious package which the Colombian Cartel is also after. I believe this package contains the Zaibatsu drugs we see in the GTA 2 film, and the drugs have been used by the Colombian Cartel for quite some time to produce SPANK, an altered and more powerful version of the Zaibatsu drugs.

 

Thoughts?

AFAIK Zoom-Zoom is already a condemned(?) drug in GTA2, hard to think a bunch of red pills would be of any use in SPANK which is thought to be a derivative of cocaine.

 

BTW nice theory, it sits well on paper IMO, but just a note that GTA2 and GTA3 are two years apart based on the timeline (1999 and 2001 respectively).

 

But then it's also said the game is retro-futuristic and it's set in 2013 so... damn, I don't think the game is even canon in any universe at all. It seems to have it's own kind of "GTA2 universe". IDK...

Edited August 14, 2022 by H-G

[Carl]

Not bad, but if I remember correctly...

On 8/13/2022 at 2:23 AM, Comrade Monke said:

Claude begun as a small time racer and criminal in San Fiero, and through unknown means gained ownership of a garage. There he met Catalina, and after losing a race to Carl Johnson, gave him ownership of the garage. We know that Claude and Catalina begun a 9 year crime journey to get to Liberty city.

 

 

On 8/13/2022 at 2:23 AM, Comrade Monke said:

Claude is unfortunately eventually discovered by a Zaibatsu assassin, who shoots him thrice. Claude survived this, but the gunshots and the psychological shock he suffered left him mute, only being able to make very few sounds like grunts or breathing sounds.

Claude was already mute in San Andreas, Carl Johnson once said this:

He was referring to Claude when he gave him the ownership of the garage.

[Comrade Monke]

31 minutes ago, Carl Theft Kumar said:

Not bad, but if I remember correctly...

 

 

Claude was already mute in San Andreas, Carl Johnson once said this:

He was referring to Claude when he gave him the ownership of the garage.

Well yeah but i like to think of Claude's muteness in GTA sa as more him trying to intimidating CJ rather than him having a problem causing him not to speak

[Comrade Monke]

On 8/14/2022 at 12:16 PM, H-G said:

AFAIK Zoom-Zoom is already a condemned(?) drug in GTA2, hard to think a bunch of red pills would be of any use in SPANK which is thought to be a derivative of cocaine.

 

BTW nice theory, it sits well on paper IMO, but just a note that GTA2 and GTA3 are two years apart based on the timeline (1999 and 2001 respectively).

 

But then it's also said the game is retro-futuristic and it's set in 2013 so... damn, I don't think the game is even canon in any universe at all. It seems to have it's own kind of "GTA2 universe". IDK...

Grand Theft Auto: Anywhere City Stories

make it happen rockstar

[Lucas 444]

Sorry for being 2 years late to this, but I love these theories, and I couldn't help myself. I've gotta say, I 95% agree with this theory, I haven't seen one so close to mine but basically, the only point I disagree is when you say that he was was shot and lost the ability to speak properly, not because of him in San Andreas being mute (which you said that it's more to intimidate CJ, good theory), but because I always like to think Claude did what is called a "vow of silence" due to him being a cold heart killer, not uttering a single word. In GTA 2 (1999) he breaks this because of communication purposes (at the time he worked with a lot of gangs so he needed to talk to prevent the gangs from thinking he's keeping secrets to them and unveil that he's a two face with all of them), this brought him a lot of trouble since he gained bad reputation between gangs, so he decided to do his "vow of silence" once again in GTAIII (2001), that's why when he feels pain he grunts because he can't restrict himself from doing so (like a normal person). After that, the events of the GTA2: Movie happen in 2013 (a few months before GTA V happens where the Zaibatsu have a car, the Z-Type), where he goes back to Anywhere City in desperate need of money, does a few jobs for the same gangs that he worked for a long time ago and he gets killed by a Zaibatsu hitman that got contacted because they got a lead that Claude was in the city after so long.

 

Another crazy theory of mine about Claude, is that the GTA Online protagonist is the same as the GTA IV Multiplayer protagonist and that he is Claude's and Misty's son, only that he never knew his parents. I know it sounds crazy, but in GTA Online we can choose Misty and Claude as our parents, Misty being the only non-generic mother. My explanation to this is that in GTA San Andreas (1992), Claude on his stay in San Fierro, had a son with Misty, Misty who's known for having a bar in San Fierro called "Misty's" (and being a criminal in the years of Vice City (1986) because she has a target on Ammunation with her artwork where people can practice shooting on her), and while Claude was with Catalina, well, it happened, we all know Claude is just as savage as he is cold. Then in GTAIII, they would meet again, Claude fearing that he might be in trouble because he had romantic relationships with one of the Mafia girls, when he was told not 5 minutes ago to not mess with the girls, he didn't say a word and hoped that Misty didn't recognize him and luckily for him, she didn't (or kept it a secret because he liked Claude, as we can tell by how she speaks to him). Our GTA Online protagonist appears first in GTA IV Multiplayer (2008), being 16 years old, where he went from San Fierro to Liberty City because people were saying it was "the land of opportunity". Since he didn't have parents growing up, he lived in an abandoned casino with homeless people in Alderney being a thug to keep himself alive (events of GTA IV Multiplayer) and he got a job from the Russian Mafia (Kenny Petrovic), and then in TLaD he works for Angus (your GTA IV character is able to speak in the Online modes, so he still didn't start HIS vow of silence). Nothing of that resulted for him so, in 2013, he flew to Los Santos for more opportunities with 21 years old now (the minimum age you can pick in the game), where he was told by someone that his biological father had died somewhere (he never knew where he was but he knew he always did a vow of silence), so paying homage to him, he started following his style of being mute on the crime game and it payed off because that's where he is to this date (2024), the most feared criminal in San Andreas (and probably the world), being the CEO of multiple crime organizations and a multi-billionaire.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Lucas 444

[Patrick10]

Mmm, most likely not, Rockstar has repeatedly stated that 2d 3d and hd versions of GTA are different universes, there are hints of them in hd universes but no more, perhaps there are those characters that are in hd GTA universes that are transferred from 2/3d