Upcoming Improvements to the GTA Online Experience

[eboyjohnkrasinski]

51 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Please understand, I mean this with no malice, but it just seems to me that people are intentionally moaning for the fun of it.

nobody's moaning for the fun of it. we've just taken issue with how rockstar is handling this nerf. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by eboyjohnkrasinski

[needforsuv]

1 hour ago, REVENGE777 said:

Well not “duh” as it’s a legitimate question. What’s the logical standpoint of picking low traction tires over bulletproof tires if there’s no benefits at all? Low traction should make it possible to have bulletproof tires simultaneously otherwise it’s just useless and impractical.

the tires have been out for a year

tried it on tuners, and they pop like regular tires, what'd ya expect for $200

[ambi3nt]

I'm more curious if they've fixed speed glitch for low grip tyres or if it's gonna affect a bunch of cars and in the process R* will suddenly f*ck up revs for all vehicles for no reason.

[RyuNova]

15 minutes ago, eboyjohnkrasinski said:

nobody's moaning for the fun of it. we've just taken issue with how rockstar is handling this nerf. 

 

You can take issue with something and moan for the fun of it, they are not mutually exclusive. People seem intent on winding themselves up into a mad rage when the workarounds are simple.

[Big Molio]

55 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Please understand, I mean this with no malice, but it just seems to me that people are intentionally moaning for the fun of it.

 

It's a very peevish thing for Rockstar to do, although I am surprised it took them this long. What is equally worthy of derision, is their reasoning, when it is pretty obvious that they just don't want the proles making too much money.

 

My take on is that as GTAV / GTAO approaches the end of its life cycle, with GTA6 now on the horizon, Rockstar ought to be freeing the game up more, with one eye on its longevity beyond the release of the new title. Instead, they are still hellbent on restricting anything that allows players to make money easily and quickly, a requisite in the game's current economy.

 

Just my tuppence ha'penny.

[ambi3nt]

1 minute ago, RyuNova said:

You can take issue with something and moan for the fun of it, they are not mutually exclusive. People seem intent on winding themselves up into a mad rage when the workarounds are simple.

Extra work is not a workaround. Not only you lose 10% from primary, but 50k from elite. There is also hard mode exclusive in game award. If this turns out to be inconvenient af, then that's rather legit criticism. I don't see why people would be doing it for fun? Sounds more like you are the one moaning about people's concerns for no actual reason in here.

[RyuNova]

1 minute ago, Big Molio said:

when it is pretty obvious that they just don't want the proles making too much money.

 

With this update you will be making more money, the only difference is you need to diversify a little.

[Big Molio]

Just now, RyuNova said:

 

With this update you will be making more money, the only difference is you need to diversify a little.

 

Which is why I said they should be freeing the game up more, i.e. just let the players decide how they farm their cash. 

[eboyjohnkrasinski]

3 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

With this update you will be making more money, the only difference is you need to diversify a little.

that would be true if they had buffed other heists and activities to match cayo.

 

personally I don't mind diversifying, in fact I've been doing it for the last month or so, but that was my choice. I shouldn't be forced to diversify.

[RyuNova]

1 minute ago, ambi3nt said:

Sounds more like you are the one moaning about people's concerns for no actual reason in here.

 

Really? Going for the internet classic of "no, you"? I am trying to be as...understanding as I can, seeing as people get sensitive on here and run to the Mods, but this is getting beyond the scope of my patience. People are moaning for the fun of it, that's a fact. Don't like it? Then don't play it, but you will because in the end it's not the major issue people are crying over. R* makes the rules, you play in their toy box. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

[Gridl0k]

Current CPH RNG: Tequila Tequila Tequila Tequila Necklace Tequila Tequila 

New CPH RNG: Tequila Tequila Tequila Tequila Necklace Tequila Tequila 

[ambi3nt]

3 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

People are moaning for the fun of it, that's a fact.

Well thanks for confirming that you've just moaned for fun. Moving on.

[Spider-Vice]

7 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

seeing as people get sensitive on here and run to the Mods

It's more like, I'm sure you can stay civil (as you are, I'm just rebutting your "sensitivity" bit) while also pointing out those things, being aggressive isn't gonna do anyone any favours is it? It's not just a sensitivity thing.

Arguing about people arguing/complaining isn't constructive tbh, the same way people going on about "defending" aren't being constructive either.

 

This is going to be controversial for some, it already is, despite me agreeing with you about it not being as bad as people are making it be, but there's not much that can be done, it'll be just another thing for some bubbles in the community to talk about for years to come like the Rooftop Rumble nerfs, and other changes over the years that some people didn't like and others did... *shrug*

 

I also think a lot of the complaints are overblown, and I guess some people truly do only grind Cayo every time they play GTA Online, which I think is boring as all hell, but I'm not here to go on a tirade judging everyone as much as I think what I think.

 

Now if we can please stop arguing about people arguing...  We don't need more of this in yet another thread, it's pointless.

[RyuNova]

R* - "And now I know what I must do... I will shred Cayo down to its last atom. And then, with the feedback you have given me, improve the other payouts, creating co-operation. A player base that knows not what it has lost but only what it has been given. A grateful player base."

 

Cayo grinders - "Born out of nerfed Cayo"

 

R* - "They'll never know it, because you won't be playing to tell them."

Edited July 24, 2022 by RyuNova

[ambi3nt]

7 minutes ago, Gridl0k said:

Current CPH RNG: Tequila Tequila Tequila Tequila Necklace Tequila Tequila 

New CPH RNG: Tequila Tequila Tequila Tequila Necklace Tequila Tequila 

Would be kinda fun if game considers Madrazo's files as high value target. Then you get to source English Dave.

[Big Molio]

7 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

Really? Going for the internet classic of "no, you"? I am trying to be as...understanding as I can, seeing as people get sensitive on here and run to the Mods, but this is getting beyond the scope of my patience. People are moaning for the fun of it, that's a fact. Don't like it? Then don't play it, but you will because in the end it's not the major issue people are crying over. R* makes the rules, you play in their toy box. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

 

That's a bit disingenuous fella when grievances about Rockstar's decisions are a staple part of conversation on this forum and have been as long as I have been here at least. I mean look, I have been where you are now and have been bemused at why some people are complaining about a particular thing. Most likely because it didn't affect me or push my irritation button. This one does and, whilst minor, it is still a cynical ploy from this developer. 

[Spider-Vice]

New secret Cayo target: Bring Dave back to LS.

[Gridl0k]

Just now, Spider-Vice said:

New secret Cayo target: Bring Dave back to LS.

 

Steal his phone more like

[Big Molio]

Just now, Spider-Vice said:

New secret Cayo target: Bring Dave back to LS.

 

God no, leave him where he is. 

 

What are those other jobs again? 

[RyuNova]

9 minutes ago, ambi3nt said:

Well thanks for confirming that you've just moaned for fun. Moving on.

 

Yes, hilarious. You must be a smash hit at children's birthday parties.

 

3 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

This one does and, whilst minor, it is still a cynical ploy from this developer. 

 

I would agree and I will say it as plainly as I can, if the Cayo nerf was the only change in this update I would be as fuming as anyone else, but it's not. People are only looking at this from one angle, the pessimistic angle, which is why I say that people are moaning for the sake of it. They are intentionally being stubborn and putting up walls.

[Big Molio]

4 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

I would agree and I will say it as plainly as I can, if the Cayo nerf was the only change in this update I would be as fuming as anyone else, but it's not. People are only looking at this from one angle, the pessimistic angle, which is why I say that people are moaning for the sake of it. They are intentionally being stubborn and putting up walls.

 

The other jobs and businesses, however improved by putting them out of reach of griefers, are of not much interest to me. I think they are really dull. I mean, Cayo set ups are dull, but they are quick and easy. A few of those back to back when I put my mind to it would top up my funds. It really was like mana from heaven for solo players like me. All of a sudden I had access to money making when I needed it. I'm not about to throw myself off my house because of this, but it made me roll my eyes at the pettiness behind it.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Big Molio

[RyuNova]

1 minute ago, Big Molio said:

The other jobs and businesses, however improved by putting them out of reach of griefers, are of not much interest to me. I think they are really dull. I mean, Cayo set ups are dull, but they are quick and easy. A few of those back to back when I put my mind to it would top up my funds. It really was like mana from heaven for solo players like me. All of a sudden I had access to money making when I needed it. I'm not about to throw myself off my house because of this, but it made me roll my eyes at the pettiness behind it.

 

I agree with everything you are saying, I am/was exactly the same. My point is that it's not as big of an issue as people are making it out to be. That's all.

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

13 hours ago, GeneralDee said:

I always wondered how those who do money glitches actually enjoy any challenge in playing the game or is GTA just another hack outlet to laugh at?

I have been glitching on my main account for years and I am currently sitting on 500 million and my second character is full of HSW Sentinels worth a million each to sell. Before I started glitching I didn't even play for a year because grinding was so boring to be but that was back when crates was the newest thing and best money earner.

 

I enjoy GTA because I can do whatever I want and play as much or little as I like without having to worry about the money I'm making. Without glitching I would be making sure to do 2x payphone hits this week and start one whenever the cooldown ends but since I don't need the money I just do them whenever I want. Also people worry about getting the bonus from them but I don't care if I fail and get 15k. I also don't have to worry about the time I take to complete anything. Yesterday I did the trolls payphone hit in the country using a Faggio taking triple the amount of time I would have taken on a MK2. I have done contact missions on Faggios and on foot taking over an hour for around 20k payout. I tried and failed a stunt race in a Faggio with 10 other people and even though I got nothing for it and it took a while it was fun and I even had random people pushing me up hills with their bikes. 

 

I also do grind sometimes and just play normally. When Cayo Perico, security contracts, payphone hits, autoshop contracts and the Dre contract had bonus money events I have spent the week grinding them even though I had everything I wanted in the game and over 300 million. I also just get in to an invite only lobby and spend a few hours doing payphone hits, selling autoshop customer cars and VIP work and doing them in my Gauntlet Hellfire. I have 2 other glitched accounts that I play the same but have different vehicles on that I wouldn't use on my main account.

 

I do have a level 73 legit account that owns a Kosatka, Sparrow, fully upgraded agency, Arcdius office, most expensive autoshop and an Armored Kuruma and Coquette Blackfin. That account I started just after Cayo Perico came out and I enjoy playing it every few months but the thing I enjoy about that is playing different content with a low level character and limited weapons and vehicles. I didn't actually enjoy working towards anything and being limited with money, vehicles and weapons is not enjoyable to me 95% of the time. I played it last night for the first time in 3 months and did have fun doing a couple of payphone hits, delivering a couple of exoctic exports to the docks and doing the HSW time trial in the S95 instead of the hakuchou but I still enjoy my glitched accounts more and it will be a few months before I play this one again.

 

Some people will get bored with having everything in the game and more than enough money to last until the next GTA game. Some people just enjoy playing the game in different ways. 

[Spider-Vice]

3 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

and doing them in my Gauntlet Hellfire

Username checks out.

[ACR]

1 hour ago, RyuNova said:

 

With this update you will be making more money, the only difference is you need to diversify a little.

No you won't be making more money with this update. They hadn't buffed other businesses and even if they do increase payment of them it will still be insignificant. What is buffed are og heists and doomsday which are barely played and increase is not enough to motivate players to jump doing them again regularly. Free roam activities such as vip, terrorbyte jobs, payphone hits, security jobs, etc will be paying the same and with inclusion of new activities like selling special cargo to the docks and wepons to ammunation (which won't be paying more than 100k each) you're still left with 700k per hour in best case scenario, 50% less than CP tequila-coca-elite-hard. 

Let's say you want to wait and sell one batch of bunker supplies, while i've never done CP b2b people still have an option doing that and earn potentially 2.4-3.6 mills for 2.5 or 3 hours counting scoping island, waiting for cooldown to activate hard mode. Starting Tuesday with cooldown being imposed you can earn maybe 2-2.5 mills in 2.5 hours, so yea, unless they buff other businesses we won't be making more money per hour. 

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

15 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

They could if Cayo wouldnt be blocked for 2,5 hours.

They still can. Cayo can de done for 1.5 million and then they can play other stuff in the game to make 500k and have an agency easily. You don't need back to back Cayos to buy most stuff just one Cayo and other content is enough.

 

15 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

And the current nerf makes it worse than needing to play twice as much, you need to play about 3 times as much.

Not really. You could easily make 2.5 to 3 million in a day just with one Cayo, selling some businesses and some payphone hits. That is more than enough to never have to buy a sharkcard. My level 73 account has done a few Cayos but never back to back and has an fully upgraded agency, most expensive autoshop and 2 million office without even that much playtime just doing a few Cayos as well payphone hits and Dre contracts and a couple of autoshop contracts when I got that. 

 

We will never agree on this and we are both just going to be saying basically the same thing all the time. I think it is time to agree to disagree and move on. 

[MaddenedGhost]

54 minutes ago, GAUNTLET HELLFIRE said:

I enjoy GTA because I can do whatever I want and play as much or little as I like

The irony behind this after comments and comments from you telling people how they should play their game is astonishing.

 

For the record, I have more money than what you stated in there, meaning that cash is nothing to me, yet Cayo is the most  appealing content for me at this stage, for many reasons, so I should be able to play it "as much or as little as I like".

 

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by The_Ghost

[GAUNTLET HELLFIRE]

6 minutes ago, The_Ghost said:

The irony behind this after comments and comments from you telling people how they should play their game is astonishing.

I have never told people how to play. The only thing I have said is that if you combine Cayo with other money making medthods you can still make more than enough money to get whatever you want in the game without ever buying a sharkcard. There is a big difference between telling someone how they should play and telling them how they can still make a lot of money. I never told anyone to go do a Dre contract I just said they can do it inbetween the cooldown for Cayo to still make good money.

[Palatinate]

I'm in two minds about the K/D changes. I used to enjoy chipping away at a tryhard's ratio and forcing them into an EWO loop, but now that stat will be effectively 'locked-in' and I worry that class of player will be more emboldened. Tryhards no longer have to worry about their K/D score falling so I think we'll see them becoming more aggressive here on out. 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Palatinate

[REVENGE777]

8 minutes ago, Palatinate said:

I'm in two minds about the K/D changes. I used to enjoy chipping away at a tryhard's ratio and forcing them into an EWO loop, but now that stat will be effectively 'locked-in' and I worry that class of player will be more emboldened. Tryhards no longer have to worry about their K/D score falling so I think we'll see them becoming more aggressive here on out. 

they’ll never step into any competitive game modes, because they can’t handle it. That’s already a win for me. I wish they retroactively tweaked the KD so that it would’ve only counted those kills and squandered all freemode kills but cest la vie. Please rockstar buff the deathmatches so I can get a full lobby every time!!!