GTA 6 Speculation & Discussion [Part 7] - The one with the announcement

[Edward RDRIII]

2 minutes ago, Zello said:

Red Dead wouldn’t work though if it’s in the 1930s and 40s. 

[gregorius11]

19 hours ago, Scott Ransom said:

Rockstar have never announced anything when we've all been expecting it, facts. 

They announced RDR2 PC when everyone was expecting it.

[El Tigre chino]

1 hour ago, Speeder752 said:

I’m hoping the mission design in VI is similar to what’s described in this video:

https://youtu.be/p6Tsll9hqgc

they need to get rid of failing a mission, if you deviate from the scripted path just a little bit it’s really punishing.

[unkown2345]

I agree with Zello, Red Dead revived a practically dead genre in today's media and introduced many, including myself to it. A Red Dead game is synonymous to The Wild West, should they make a game about Jack's story post RDR1 it shouldn't be called Red Dead Redemption, more Red Dead Evolution or Revolution.

[Zapper]

11 minutes ago, Edward RDRIII said:

Red Dead, to my understanding, was Dan's thing and he isn't around anymore, I'm almost certain there will be one last Red Dead to finish the Redemption Trilogy and they'll close the franchise with it, not only because Dan isn't working there anymore, but the wild west theme itself probably will end up dying eventually, that's when Project Medieval or a futuristic game like Half-Life comes in.

 

As far as I know, Red Dead has always been Sam's thing. Sam's love for The Wild Bunch and his desire for a proprietary engine for Rockstar were the reasons Take-Two bought Angel Studios and founded Rockstar San Diego. This Polygon article is a very, very good read to learn about Red Dead's history.

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Rockstar San Diego went on to develop a sequel to Revolver: Red Dead Redemption. Redemption ended up being the open-world Western game that, developers say, Sam Houser wanted to make — part of the reason Rockstar bought the rights to Revolver in the first place.

 

“I remember Sam loved The Wild Bunch, and certainly that was a huge influence on Redemption,” says Spilkin. “I think when he saw Red Dead Revolver, he kind of imagined what he wanted the game to be eventually, and decided that that was a path to do that.”

 

Even Dan Houser himself said in a GameSpot interview that Sam Peckinpah was his brother's favourite director, whereas it was Hitchcock for him.

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DH: So if the question is simply who do we think makes great films or has made great films and would be one that we would be most influenced by? Then, I would probably say--without putting words in other people's mouths--for me it would be Hitchcock, for Sam it would be Sam Peckinpah, and I guess a lot of people at Rockstar would go those two or Scorsese. Those are sort of all our favorite directors.

 

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If you look at Rockstar's history, you'll see that almost all of the creative decisions had Sam's fingerprints all over them. From Miami Vice (Sam's favourite TV Show) and Vice City to San Andreas and early 1990s gangsta culture...

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SH: Why LA? "Well, what's after Miami in the '80s? Well, of course, the Bloods and the Crips and the LA early-'90s gang-banger culture. I remember being in the UK at the time it was going off and being completely fascinated and terrified by it. Fascinated by how they looked - they dress amazingly - but these guys are all like soldiers, and are treated like armies, and this is very serious, scary stuff."

- "We immediately embraced it - I didn't see it as a risk," Houser says of choosing to have a black lead for San Andreas. "It was certainly leftfield for the industry at that time but, you know, I'm proud to do things like that. And anyone who has a problem with that, we don't want you buying the game anyway, mate, quite frankly."

 

...to adapting and expanding The Warriors (Sam's favourite film) into video game form (Dan was not involved with that game at all) to Red Dead Redemption to GTAO's focus on hip-hop and EDM music and so on. Even a Miami-based GTA with a female protagonist is something he said as far back as 2013. This is the dude who wanted a working fuel system in San Andreas.

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- He's an undeniably potent fountain of ideas, but Houser explains that even he goes too far: "When we were making [San Andreas] one of the things I talked about - and thank God they didn't give in to my idiocy - was, 'Hey, we've got to make it interesting to drive four hours on a freeway and you have to stop to fill up on fuel'. And the team were like, 'God, give it a rest, mate'."

 

[El Tigre chino]

39 minutes ago, BigBoyBertram said:

I'm just going to say it: Red Dead doesn't have to strictly be a Western franchise. 

 That’s how Call of Juárez died

[Edward RDRIII]

10 minutes ago, Zapper said:

 

As far as I know, Red Dead has always been Sam's thing. Sam's love for The Wild Bunch and his desire for a proprietary engine for Rockstar were the reasons Take-Two bought Angel Studios and founded Rockstar San Diego. This Polygon article is a very, very good read to learn about Red Dead's history.

 

Even Dan Houser himself said in a GameSpot interview that Sam Peckinpah was his brother's favourite director, whereas it was Hitchcock for him.

 

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If you look at Rockstar's history, you'll see that almost all of the creative decisions had Sam's fingerprints all over them. From Miami Vice (Sam's favourite TV Show) and Vice City to San Andreas and early 1990s gangsta culture...

 

...to adapting and expanding The Warriors (Sam's favourite film) into video game form (Dan was not involved with that game at all) to Red Dead Redemption to GTAO's focus on hip-hop and EDM music and so on. Even a Miami-based GTA with a female protagonist is something he said as far back as 2013. This is the dude who wanted a working fuel system in San Andreas.

 

 

I didn't know about that, that's cool, but I still think it will be the last one just because of the wild west theme dying off eventually, there are still some modern wild west movies such as Harriet (now that's a good movie alright), but see, we'll probably get RDR3 by 2030 at the earliest, will people still be interested in westerns by 2040? By people I don't mean just you and me, obviously we would, but the overall people out there, that we don't know.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Edward RDRIII

[BigBoyBertram]

5 minutes ago, El Tigre chino said:

 That’s how Call of Juárez died

Well, no because I'm not arguing for it to become a bland and generic modern shooter. I just think it would be cool to explore similar thematic locations around the same time period. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by BigBoyBertram

[Zapper]

Just now, Edward RDRIII said:

but see, we'll probably get RDR3 by 2030 at the earliest, will people still be interested in westers by 2040? By people I don't mean just you and me, obviously we would, but the overall people out there, that we don't know.

The majority of people buy Red Dead because it's a Rockstar open world game, not because it's a western. There's a reason why nobody even attempted to make another open world western in the last 12 years, even after Redemption 1 and 2 were massive successes. Westerns are niche, but Red Dead and Rockstar are not.

[jonnhy_xv]

I feel they can still do RDR3 with jack but with flashbacks to the early days of the gang like Godfather part II but a prequel is probably what we will get maybe a completely different story .

Lol gta vi ain't even announced and we're talking about rdr3 

Edited October 9, 2022 by jonnhy_xv

[Edward RDRIII]

11 minutes ago, BigBoyBertram said:

Well, no because I'm not arguing for it to become a bland and generic modern shooter. I just think it would be cool to explore similar thematic locations around the same time period. 

There's a few themes for Rockstar to choose for the next Red Dead still, native american struggle against white people invasion, black people slavery, civil war, reconstruction period, gold rush, neither of them were the main theme of a Red Dead game before, and Jack's story going deeper into the 20th Century of course.

 

5 minutes ago, Zapper said:

The majority of people buy Red Dead because it's a Rockstar open world game, not because it's a western. There's a reason why nobody even attempted to make another open world western in the last 12 years, even after Redemption 1 and 2 were massive successes. Westerns are niche, but Red Dead and Rockstar are not.

People will also buy this Project Medieval or anything which replaces Red Dead for the exact same reason though, we'll see what's Rockstar's priority eventually.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Edward RDRIII

[Edward RDRIII]

5 minutes ago, jonnhy_xv said:

I feel they can still do RDR3 with jack but with flashbacks to the early days of the gang like Godfather part II but a prequel is probably what we will get maybe a completely different story .

Lol gta vi ain't even announced and we're talking about rdr3 

Jack's flashbacks would basically be him avoiding O'Driscoll bullets and throwing rocks at Kieran.

[Zapper]

53 minutes ago, BigBoyBertram said:

I'm just going to say it: Red Dead doesn't have to strictly be a Western franchise. 

Red Dead IS a Western franchise. Try to make a Red Dead set in 1920-'30s, you get something like Mafia/Boardwalk Empire, or a neo-Western set in any time after 1960s, you essentially get a GTA. Red Dead being an actual western/revisionist-western is what makes it unique in the industry.

[jonnhy_xv]

11 minutes ago, Edward RDRIII said:

Jack's flashbacks would basically be him avoiding O'Driscoll bullets and throwing rocks at Kieran.

Flashbacks as young john , dutch , arthur and the whole gang not as jack lol .

 

[Edward RDRIII]

Just now, jonnhy_xv said:

Flashbacks as young john , dutch , arthur and the whole gang not as jack lol .

 

We better just play as Dutch throughout the entire thing then lol, from the Van der Linde gang creation in 1877 to 1888 (It's peak?!) or something.

[Praetor_]

I’d say RDR’s whole story ended when Jack shot Ross and avenged his father. It’s over. The next game takes you back in time, and it’s all about the twilight of the west. The third game, whenever it comes, could give us the real Wild West that we never really saw. Going forward to the 20s/30s makes no sense to me. 

[Edward RDRIII]

8 minutes ago, Praetor_ said:

I’d say RDR’s whole story ended when Jack shot Ross and avenged his father. It’s over. The next game takes you back in time, and it’s all about the twilight of the west. The third game, whenever it comes, could give us the real Wild West that we never really saw. Going forward to the 20s/30s makes no sense to me. 

I think the gold rush era during the 1880's is the perfect setting for RDR3, I even have a idea about it's location, going from the westernmost states of Canada, USA and Mexico. I won't copy and paste it here because I posted a lot of images on this comment, so it's better for anyone interested on it to check it out on the dedicated topic.

 

Edited October 9, 2022 by Edward RDRIII

[Sword_of_Dusk]

I still haven't gotten around to finishing RDR2 (life stuff and needing to restart the game put me back quite a bit), but I think the Redemption games should remain a duology. Another Red Dead game should come with a new title and a whole new set of characters. 

[PauloJz]

An rdr in prehistory 

[Zello]

3 minutes ago, Edward RDRIII said:

I think the gold rush era during the 1880's is the perfect setting for RDR3, I even have a idea about it's location, I won't copy and paste it here because I posted a lot of images on this comment, so it's better for anyone interested on it to check it out on the dedicated topic.

 

The gold rush was actually in the 1840s-1850s. Not the 1880s.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Zello

[jonnhy_xv]

14 minutes ago, Edward RDRIII said:

We better just play as Dutch throughout the entire thing then lol, from the Van der Linde gang creation in 1877 to 1888 (It's peak?!) or something.

dutch is a must 

him meeting hosea , arthur , john and a lot more .

[Edward RDRIII]

1 minute ago, Zello said:

The gold rush was actually in the 1840s-1850s. Not the 1880s.

Cayoosh Gold Rush in Lillooet, British Columbia (1884-87).

Baja California Gold Rush in the Santa Clara mountains about sixty miles southeast of Ensenada (1889).

 

[BigBoyBertram]

33 minutes ago, Zapper said:

Red Dead IS a Western franchise. Try to make a Red Dead set in 1920-'30s, you get something like Mafia/Boardwalk Empire, or a neo-Western set in any time after 1960s, you essentially get a GTA. Red Dead being an actual western/revisionist-western is what makes it unique in the industry.

I understand and largely agree with your point. I'm definitely not arguing for the franchise to move deep into the 1920s and 1930s. That would feel out of place, especially since I don't want a game about Jack after he murders Ross. I simply believe it would be really cool to see a Red Dead game set in a different region or country in any time period from the 1850s-early 20th Century. It would still be really unique in the AAA sphere, and share a lot of thematic consistency. Additionally, I also believe it could add another dimension to the franchise's core gameplay. 

 

Anyway, it's fun to speculate about what comes after VI. 

Edited October 9, 2022 by BigBoyBertram

[Zello]

4 minutes ago, Edward RDRIII said:

Cayoosh Gold Rush in Lillooet, British Columbia (1884-87).

Baja California Gold Rush in the Santa Clara mountains about sixty miles southeast of Ensenada (1889).

 

The most famous one is the California Gold rush and the one that most people care about. 1848-1855.

[avgGTAenjoyer]

Now I have nakey jakey recommendations in my feed help!

Edited October 9, 2022 by avgGTAenjoyer

[Zello]

1 minute ago, avgGTAenjoyer said:

Now I have nakey jakey recommendations in my feed help!

Jump up and down saying nakey jakey repeatedly and it will scare them away

[BigBoyBertram]

3 minutes ago, avgGTAenjoyer said:

Now I have nakey jakey recommendations in my feed help!

LMFAO dude you can't shake him. I watch a lot of videos about Rockstar Games and his videos are ALWAYS in my feed and recommendations, even if I'm watching something like Manhunt LOL.

Edited October 9, 2022 by BigBoyBertram

[Edward RDRIII]

8 minutes ago, Zello said:

The most famous one is the California Gold rush and the one that most people care about. 1848-1855.

I know about that, but the 1850's are too far away in the past, weapons were too sluggish back then as Roger Clark said, if the game also takes place in Canada and/or Mexico as well it has to include historically accurate events such as the ones I mentioned to feel authentic. Also I'm pretty sure that mining for gold was still booming in California by the 1880's, but that's after the specific "Californian Gold Rush" period, so you're correct about this one.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Edward RDRIII

[Zello]

1 minute ago, BigBoyBertram said:

LMFAO dude you can't shake him. I watch a lot of videos about Rockstar Games and his videos are ALWAYS in my feed and recommendations, even if I'm watching something like Manhunt LOL.

I've avoided him. Guess I'm lucky

[El Tigre chino]

2 hours ago, jonnhy_xv said:

nakeyjakey said going from point a to b should stop lol , he wants teleportation in gta vi . All i want is a multiple possibilities in a couple of mission and thats it rockstar strong thing is linear mission design like rdr2 which is why it feels so cinematic

not teleportation but maybe we should let the side character drive instead of us doing all the driving I like that change in cyberpunk 2077 it was a nice change of pace