Has anyone else been playing as an anti-griefer?

[ardy97]

Lately, I've made a habit out of getting my Oppressor MK II, dressing my character up as a dark superhero, and standing on top of the Maze bank tower. I watch the map, keep an eye on player activity, track cargo shipments, and listen to the voice chat... Waiting until someone steps out of line. Every time I catch onto someone griefing, I fly out to them and blow them tf up. Then I leave. If they start griefing people again https://vshare.onl/ https://omegle.onl/, I'll do the same thing again. Usually after blowing up their oppressor/jet/tank enough times, they stop and start playing nice.

Idk about you guys, but I feel like playing the game like this is a million times more fun than griefing could ever be.

Edited July 19 by ardy97

[Man With No Name]

A friendly MK2? I tried that once, got blown up by a modder twice, accused of lying that I was friendly, and got my game frozen. All of that happened in the space of seconds. Mk2 + friendly don't really go well together, you can blame asshats for that. 

 

[Nutduster]

I do this with some frequency. Not all the time. But I often am doing heist preps and nightclub stuff, and otherwise minding my own business; I only go after anyone who attacks me, attacks a low level, or disrupts a business activity. Then I'll stop what I'm doing and hit them hard.  Haven't yet gotten someone to decide to play nice, but I've made a good number of them leave other people alone and just fight with me, or quit the session entirely.

[Jenkiiii]

My advice is to leave people alone and go about your own business. You have no idea why people do what they do and acting as a vigilante or guardian angel is adding to the problem of griefing by becoming one yourself.

 

People might have been griefed themselves recently and are getting revenge, or could be kids having fun or people de-stressing after a long day at work.

 

The reality is, you're looking for action and justifying that behaviour as an unlicensed good guy, which is probably why Rockstar have never given us police outfits and vehicles over nine years.

 

The reality is, Rockstar want us to fight, squabble and niggle in freemode because it causes friction and is profitable for them. At least adversary modes give us the option to fight without griefing AND get paid.

 

[Jenkiiii]

20 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

I do this with some frequency. Not all the time. But I often am doing heist preps and nightclub stuff, and otherwise minding my own business; I only go after anyone who attacks me, attacks a low level, or disrupts a business activity. Then I'll stop what I'm doing and hit them hard.  Haven't yet gotten someone to decide to play nice, but I've made a good number of them leave other people alone and just fight with me, or quit the session entirely.

That's kind of different to what the OP is saying. You're simply reacting to something that offends or interests you around the map while going about your own activities. The OP scans for illicit activity as judge and juror atop Maze Bank Tower. I find those people a but creepy to be honest because I am no saint myself when my feathers get ruffled.

[Nutduster]

7 minutes ago, Jenkiiii said:

That's kind of different to what the OP is saying. You're simply reacting to something that offends or interests you around the map while going about your own activities. The OP scans for illicit activity as judge and juror atop Maze Bank Tower. I find those people a but creepy to be honest because I am no saint myself when my feathers get ruffled.

 

I also find it a bit creepy, but I'm not sure his motivations are that different from mine, except the part about sitting idle on a skyscraper and waiting for an excuse. I don't wait for mine--I do other things until one comes along. But truthfully I don't have any problem with anyone who wants to grief griefers. You can usually sort out the genuine assholes from the more innocent action seekers. If, say, a high level guy blows up a low level's sale, and then the low level quits--or stands there and gets spawn killed over and over--then nine times out of ten, that was genuine and unmotivated grief. And I'm happy to give it back to them.

 

I freely admit though that my motives aren't pure. I like fighting in this game. If I can zero in on people who want a fight or who richly deserve a beating, and thus not have to fight with people who don't want to, I'll take it.

Edited June 18 by Nutduster

[Man With No Name]

30 minutes ago, Jenkiiii said:

My advice is to leave people alone and go about your own business. You have no idea why people do what they do and acting as a vigilante or guardian angel is adding to the problem of griefing by becoming one yourself.

 

The only time I'll jump to help someone, is if the person is going out of their way to screw with someone doing a prep or running crates, otherwise I stay clear of it. Many times I've jumped in before thinking I knew the situation, only to find I was wrong and the person I had come to help, was the instigator. 

[Jenkiiii]

9 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

I also find it a bit creepy, but I'm not sure his motivations are that different from mine, except the part about sitting idle on a skyscraper and waiting for an excuse. I don't wait for mine--I do other things until one comes along. But truthfully I don't have any problem with anyone who wants to grief griefers. You can usually sort out the genuine assholes from the more innocent action seekers. If, say, a high level guy blows up a low level's sale, and then the low level quits--or stands there and gets spawn killed over and over--then nine times out of ten, that was genuine and unmotivated grief. And I'm happy to give it back to them.

 

I freely admit though that my motives aren't pure. I like fighting in this game. If I can zero in on people who want a fight or who richly deserve a beating, and thus not have to fight with people who don't want to, I'll take it.

I like skirmishing in freemode as well, but it ramps up so quickly and you've got the spamming sticky/rocket suicides that refuse to accept a death, and then the inevitable progression to oppressors and jets and outright war. It becomes way too intense for me.

 

It reminds me of the PS3 days when we would skirmish for hours to unlock weapon tints, only to realize we had made no money and needed to grind contact missions to recuperate costs. At least now we can earn stacks of passive income from all sorts of businesses if you're smart enough to stop squabbling and concentrate on building an empire.

[SHOKKERZ91]

You searching for some weierd excuse to justify liking to kill players in a game, OP? If you want to kill mfkers, just kill mfkers. Who cares?

[HopalongCasidy]

The psycho killer award tracks this well. I generally live and let live. The exceptions are bounties and when I notice someone blowing up someone else’s product.

[Jenkiiii]

10 minutes ago, SHOKKERZ91 said:

You searching for some weierd excuse to justify liking to kill players in a game, OP? If you want to kill mfkers, just kill mfkers. Who cares?

You're right! It's a video game and people can do what they want. I've given up the futile task of working out why people behave the way they do. I still find it curious why someone would walk into a school and kill others, but that's real life. GTA is not and it's a release for many people, and virtual killing can be good fun to a point.

 

Good conversation, folks, let's self-moderate and keep it clean.

 

Edited June 18 by Jenkiiii

[Valiant ENT CEO]

Im kinda sick of people like this.. You dont really know the situation on the ground and you want to call other people griefers all the time.. There is an award for going 3 v 0 on players. So honestly if you are in freemode you *almost* can not lable anyone a griefer before your 3rd death. If they go up by 4 5 6 whatever then its *kinda* griefing unless you are on a mission.

 

So instead you are more so a Cop.. policing the mini map and it's NOT cool. You should be taking people off their mk2s and jets making them use more "gta" like vehicles. But sitting up on the maze bank?? Well honestly I just snipe players using thermal scope and explo rounds. You on ps4? If hit a few that didn't die and scurry away. 

[Nutduster]

2 hours ago, Valiant ENT CEO said:

Im kinda sick of people like this.. You dont really know the situation on the ground and you want to call other people griefers all the time.. There is an award for going 3 v 0 on players. So honestly if you are in freemode you *almost* can not lable anyone a griefer before your 3rd death. If they go up by 4 5 6 whatever then its *kinda* griefing unless you are on a mission.

 

So instead you are more so a Cop.. policing the mini map and it's NOT cool. 

 

No offense, but what kind of warped logic is like "players can kill other players basically all they want, don't judge," but also is all "it's not cool to kill someone who is actively killing other players"?

 

In the end, public free roam is self-regulating, to the extent that it's regulated at all. Players do whatever they want, which sometimes includes punishing other players for possibly being dicks. Cool, not cool--that's beside the point.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

4 hours ago, SHOKKERZ91 said:

You searching for some weierd excuse to justify liking to kill players in a game, OP? If you want to kill mfkers, just kill mfkers. Who cares?

*obligatory "you cared enough to comment" comment*

 

Talking seriously, I suppose OP will kill other players anyway, so why not do it with an actually good purpose in mind then?

 

I mean, sure, sometimes some self proclaimed "anti-griefers" do become what they're fighting against ("he who fights monsters..." yadda yadda) but hey, I'd rather have those kind of players, even if they're slightly misguided, than people blowing up some poor level 14's crates to kingdom come because *insert typical griefer excuse here*, I guess.

[SummerFreeze]

I did a couple of times but then I got bored by the lack of progress. If griefers get embarrassed, they will most likely switch session and take it out on some noobs. I.e. the exact same thing they would have done without my interference.

 

Tbh I don't believe griefers can be turned into peaceful players anyway. I've only seen grinders turn into griefers when they got bored, or griefers turn to only attacking other griefers because it's more of a challenge. Most people stop playing the game before doing either though.

 

But @ardy97 if anti-griefing is fun to you then I don't want to dissuade you.

Edited June 18 by SummerFreeze

[dieseltech20]

I don’t bother with it.  One never really knows the whole story and griefing griefers is just griefing with extra steps.

 

 

[SHOKKERZ91]

45 minutes ago, Yellow Dog with Cone said:

*obligatory "you cared enough to comment" comment*

 

Talking seriously, I suppose OP will kill other players anyway, so why not do it with an actually good purpose in mind then?

 

I mean, sure, sometimes some self proclaimed "anti-griefers" do become what they're fighting against ("he who fights monsters..." yadda yadda) but hey, I'd rather have those kind of players, even if they're slightly misguided, than people blowing up some poor level 14's crates to kingdom come because *insert typical griefer excuse here*, I guess.

 

Nah, i don´t care if he wants to roleplay as the white knight in shining armor or if he farms some random noobs into oblivion for whatever reason. Or if he just likes pvp in general. All im saying is he shouldn´t search for excuses to do so.

[Spider-Vice]

5 hours ago, SHOKKERZ91 said:

You searching for some weierd excuse to justify liking to kill players in a game, OP? If you want to kill mfkers, just kill mfkers. Who cares?

Man, you are looking way too deep into this lmao. I wish more people like OP and the other poster existed in GTA Online lmao. They're having fun, they're killing griefers who are just making newbies' lives living hell, so what? Or are you one of those who thinks you grow an e-peen out of killing people repeatedly in a public lobby especially when they're just trying to get by and level up?

 

The entire topic is about playing as an anti-griefer, which I personally see no problem with, coming here just to sh*t on their parade and thinking there's some sort of secondary intention is just weird. But I'm not gonna get into arguments with potential griefers, I don't even do public sessions often.  

 

1 hour ago, Yellow Dog with Cone said:

*obligatory "you cared enough to comment" comment*

This does sum it up pretty much.

 

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There's some good discussion to be had in this topic, I really hope this doesn't become yet another hell of griefers vs. anti-griefers like other topics in the past.

[SHOKKERZ91]

31 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Man, you are looking way too deep into this lmao. I wish more people like OP and the other poster existed in GTA Online lmao. They're having fun, they're killing griefers who are just making newbies' lives living hell, so what? Or are you one of those who thinks you grow an e-peen out of killing people repeatedly in a public lobby especially when they're just trying to get by and level up?

 

The entire topic is about playing as an anti-griefer, which I personally see no problem with, coming here just to sh*t on their parade and thinking there's some sort of secondary intention is just weird. But I'm not gonna get into arguments with potential griefers, I don't even do public sessions often.  

 

This does sum it up pretty much.

 

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There's some good discussion to be had in this topic, I really hope this doesn't become yet another hell of griefers vs. anti-griefers like other topics in the past.

 

You can scrap the potential from the griefer part, I did that from time to time. I also never made that a secret either. I also did the other playstyles like anti-griefer and grinder.

 

Did i grief to stroke my e-peen? No, i did it because it was funny.

Did i anti-grief to earn internet points and thanks from a new player that i will never see again in a lobby? No, i did it because it was funny.

Did grind for money for the other two playstyles? Yes, and sometimes just as bait. Because using my own cargo or whatever as bait is funny aswell.

 

When i play a game, my fun comes first.

[FrugalDangerMan]

He's playing the game the same way everyone does, griefers, grinders, club members, newbies, old hats, vigilantes, etc.

 

With his own made up rules.

 

Stick within them and you're cool, but volate them at your own risk.

[Jenkiiii]

My rule of thumb is NOT to listen to Rockstar's imperative messages to "destroy" XYZ, hidden as friendly tips from in-game characters. Leave other people alone, unless it's a Business Battle. Instead, concentrate on doing your own business runs. I think we're far enough into 202X for people to already know this?

 

Acting as a vigilante peacekeeper is noble, but trying to solve griefing problems in a video game in which the developer actively encourages it is pointless. You will always meet friction from people who state their right to do what they want in a game that they pay for, etc.; who will jump sessions and team up in crews with other griefers. We are not the law; we have the right to defend ourselves and ask for better anti-griefing tools from Rockstar, but acting as the judge will not help remove griefing over the long term.

 

Just as berating @SHOKKERZ91 is going to get his back up and lead to a fight in this thread. Let him have his say as a griefer, and respect his play style as you expect yours to be respected, but at the same time, cool it, man... being the griefing antagonist doesn't sit well with most people.

 

 

[Nutduster]

3 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

My rule of thumb is NOT to listen to Rockstar's imperative messages to "destroy" XYZ, hidden as friendly tips from in-game characters. Leave other people alone, unless it's a Business Battle. Instead, concentrate on doing your own business runs. I think we're far enough into 202X for people to already know this?

 

Acting as a vigilante peacekeeper is noble, but trying to solve griefing problems in a video game in which the developer actively encourages it is pointless. You will always meet friction from people who state their right to do what they want in a game that they pay for, etc.; who will jump sessions and team up in crews with other griefers. We are not the law; we have the right to defend ourselves and ask for better anti-griefing tools from Rockstar, but acting as the judge will not help remove griefing over the long term.

 

 

It definitely won't, I can attest to that. But there's also nothing wrong with it, and occasionally you'll get gratitude from someone whose sale you protect or who you save from getting hassled. My feeling is, if you're going to be fighting people in free roam one way or another, I'd rather that at least some people were pretend-vigilantes than all of them being griefing nutsacks. 

[Jenkiiii]

1 hour ago, Nutduster said:

 

It definitely won't, I can attest to that. But there's also nothing wrong with it, and occasionally you'll get gratitude from someone whose sale you protect or who you save from getting hassled. My feeling is, if you're going to be fighting people in free roam one way or another, I'd rather that at least some people were pretend-vigilantes than all of them being griefing nutsacks. 

So you're basically saying that an asshole with morals is the best of both worlds. I can go with that... The marauding red twit in a jet who dies and instantly scurries to a respawned Lazer is the gamer I have hated the most since 2013. It's weak, boarish and narrow minded and I refuse to engage with them, especially cargo hunters who operate purely for lulz, but I also refuse to deplete my real life energy store by getting worked up by them or trying to teach them a lesson, but as you say, the self-proclaimed vigilantes are the lesser of two evils.

 

Maybe people could set up a task force crew [TASK] or something if they really feel strongly about clearing the airwaves of griefers? @Yellow Dog with Cone, for example. I won't be joining, but I see a lot of role-playing requests and an anti-griefing task force might be a good idea for people with very strong feelings?

 

Edited June 19 by Jenkiiii

[Larsolof]

Kinda…. Sometimes when some random people text to kick someone from the session because it is a cheater, I Will Hunt that cheater down… I Said it before, but damn I love them Godmode-griefer…. Keep tinning the down with a remote Buffalo STX 🫠🫠🫠

 

Sometimes when I see a high rank that keep killing like a rank 20 or something, then yeah… ofcourse I Will try to make ’em even more mad with me instead…. Lol, the people playing this game sometimes… So pathetic man… didn’t even meet lowlifes like that when I went to prison so sad, so sad

[Big Molio]

I don't think it is fair to call the activities of the OP creepy or weird. Playing as a vigilante is just another type of self-created role play in this sandbox game. No harm done whatsoever.

[Black-Dragon96]

18 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

and acting as a vigilante or guardian angel is adding to the problem of griefing by becoming one yourself

 

Quite honestly, no not really.

The way I see it, the definition of griefing is killing a player that doesnt want to fight.

A person attacking cargo however shows very clearly that they want to engage in PvP, so attacking them cant be really classified as griefing.

 

18 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

People might have been griefed themselves recently and are getting revenge,

 

Well thats usually rather easily identifyable to some degree.

If I see two white dots just having a little fight, I drive over check them out and if I dont have any evidence of "griefish behaviour" just leave them be.

If they start shooting at me I reply in kind and f*ck off.

Same goes if I see two guys in tryhard outfits duking it out at the beach. No need to engage since they are obviously just fighting each other.

 

A red dot with a 500 K/D thats constantly blowing himself up, calling in mk2s and jets to fight some lvl 19 thats barely moving after spawning, is usually just a lowlife farming some poor guy.

A red dot flying about on his mk2 blowing up each and everyone in his reach is probably a griefing a$$hole.

 

Activity in the voice chat and (PC only) text chat can also provide usefull information. I mean I can activly ask the guy killing the other guy what he has done to deserve this. If the answer is "f*ck yOur moM nub" I know that the killer guy is an a$$hole and reply with bullets.

Its not that hard to identify the a$$holes and when in doubt, stay out.

 

10 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

Acting as a vigilante peacekeeper is noble, but trying to solve griefing problems in a video game in which the developer actively encourages it is pointless. You will always meet friction from people who state their right to do what they want in a game that they pay for, etc.; who will jump sessions and team up in crews with other griefers. We are not the law; we have the right to defend ourselves and ask for better anti-griefing tools from Rockstar, but acting as the judge will not help remove griefing over the long term.

 

I think nobody doing this, really expects to solve the griefing problem.

For me its more like a "The time that guy is spending trying to kill me, he doesnt spend on blowing up some guys cargo." kind of thing. I cant stop the agression but I can redirect it.

And it doesnt matter to me if I win or loose, if I fight 1 or 6 people. As long as my opponent doesnt cheat I'm having fun while also kinda providing a small ability to have fun to those who just want to do their cargo stuff in peace or play in freemode without fighting a$$holes.

[nb2010]

The noob you are protecting would likely take delight in destroying YOUR cargo.

[dieseltech20]

Of course killing some try hard POS is great but.

 

Ever had some super low level noob run up on you blasting away? Of course you have. So naturally you shoot back and they die. You continue doing your thing and here they come again with the same result. They keep coming back because they are either stupid OR they are trying to figure out the game. You even enter a one on one and of course win.

 

While this is going on Mr. White Knight decides he must take action against the griefer that you aren't. He kills you a couple of times while sending phone messages about how you are a scumbag piece of sh*t that needs to die in real life for picking on low level players.

 

Sure, that sister f*cker killing everyone with their jet or OPMK2 is an obvious asshole but you don't know sh*t when it comes to many others so why become an asshole yourself? At this point in the game the last thing anyone should be concerned with is cargo being destroyed. Only a sadist f*cks around with that tedious method of earning money. I see someone making an MC sale and I just laugh.

[Nutduster]

7 hours ago, nb2010 said:

The noob you are protecting would likely take delight in destroying YOUR cargo.

 

Nah. This scans as excuse-making. Years of experience tells me that the majority of low levels and grinders mostly want to be left alone. A lot of them barely ever fight, which you can tell from a quick look at their player stats. I see so many KDs below 0.2 out there running crates; these guys clearly can't even defend themselves, let alone attack anyone else successfully. Are there some mindlessly aggro noobs attacking anything they can? Sure, always. But most of them aren't like that and you can usually tell the difference. Most of the aggro types also don't do business missions much because they don't have the attention span for it.

 

4 hours ago, dieseltech20 said:

Of course killing some try hard POS is great but.

 

Ever had some super low level noob run up on you blasting away? Of course you have. So naturally you shoot back and they die. You continue doing your thing and here they come again with the same result. They keep coming back because they are either stupid OR they are trying to figure out the game. You even enter a one on one and of course win.

 

While this is going on Mr. White Knight decides he must take action against the griefer that you aren't. He kills you a couple of times while sending phone messages about how you are a scumbag piece of sh*t that needs to die in real life for picking on low level players.

 

Sure, that sister f*cker killing everyone with their jet or OPMK2 is an obvious asshole but you don't know sh*t when it comes to many others so why become an asshole yourself? At this point in the game the last thing anyone should be concerned with is cargo being destroyed. Only a sadist f*cks around with that tedious method of earning money. I see someone making an MC sale and I just laugh.

 

More excuse-making. Yes, it sucks to get chewed out or killed by a wannabe Batman who doesn't know that the low-level you're killing attacked you first and repeatedly. But that doesn't happen much, and really doesn't justify not taking the time to scan the lobby your own self once in a while. If you've played this game longer than a year, you should be able to tell griefing from regular fighting or revenge kills. There are infinite clues: the relative levels of the two players, the relative KDs, the gamertags (guaranteed that xIIIIIIIIIIIx vs. BlinkySnowman is a griefing situation almost always), the outfits (thermal helmet tatted up lunatic vs. schlub in generic, free GTA clothes for instance), the tactics (one guy going ghost, using jet or Mk II, while the other guy basically stands there and dies), the numbers (2v1 or worse with a tryhard crew going after a lone grinder), on and on. Not to mention, if you have a level 50 or below running crates and the other guy is blowing up his sh*t, that is not justified or a fair fight like 95% of the time. It is surpassingly rare for a low level to actually manage to kill a high level tryhard, then go start up their crate sale. Come on.

 

I mean, I don't care if you do or don't ever want to help out other players. By all means, don't do it if you don't feel like it. But also don't dream up these far-fetched, rare scenarios as some kind of counter-argument against the whole idea of helping others out.

Edited June 19 by Nutduster

[clinical oppression]

Was doing this a bit today in my rc jubilee. Mainly just looking out for people doing businesses . Smashed a toreador sent him spinning and shot him out .....he was running up on a crate runner . I was just driving around watching the crates and nightclubs and whenever I saw another blip heading their way I'd interrupt and smash em . This is limited to the ground though . Its more fun than running down idle Ceos hogging up the limited ceo slots .