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GTA V Gen9 / "E&E" PC Discussion - Coming 2025


GTA V Gen9 / "E&E" PC Discussion - Coming 2025  

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  1. 1. When do you think it's being fully announced?

    • Last week of January
      2
    • February
      63
    • March
      42
    • Later
      15
  2. 2. Do you think it's going to be a free or paid upgrade?

    • Free
      70
    • Paid
      52
  3. 3. When do you think it's coming out?

    • February
      10
    • March
      38
    • April (also 10th anniversary of GTA V on PC)
      55
    • May
      1
    • Later
      18


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I wonder how it will work....

Will there be two separate versions of GTA Online—one for those willing to pay and another for those who won’t? It sounds odd to me.

It worked on PS5 because it wasn’t an "old PS5 version" it was a version of the PS4 game. But in this case, it’s PC-old vs. PC-new.

It feels off to charge just to enable features like ray tracing and minor upgrades.

Really hoping Rockstar doesn’t pull an EA move here.

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I think they're planning to drop support for Gen8 and I imagine that, if it wasn't for PC being on the same codebase, they would have already done so. Not only would they have to deal with 1 codebase instead of 2, but at the same time they're also pushing those few still on PS4 and Xbox One to upgrade before GTA VI comes out. In this scenario I can see GTAO having 2 different PC versions, the legacy one that isn't supported anymore and the new one that is on par with Gen9 consoles.

 

Hard to tell if it's going to be a paid upgrade or not, there are valid justifications for both tbh. I want to hope that it'll be free and that GTA+ on PC will be enough to cover the costs, but a 10$ upgrade fee seems plausible.

If that's the case, personally I would really like to convert my RGL copy to a Gen9 Steam version, but I fear I will have to pay full price for it...

VitoCorleone1992

What doesn't too much sense is that whatever "magic" they are using to do things here to make PC Gen 8 to PC Gen 9, which i don't understand and so i will not participate in that conversation, so i will say in a simplist way...if R* is going to charge PC players, i don't know why they toke 3 years to do so...i don't think this "magic" needed some 2 years to come to fruition, right? So, what is the other excuse? Sony said that they wanted a 3 years old exclusive contract? Or we are just getting the game for free, if it's the case, just because R* saw that it was a reasonable time to not charge PC players to get the E&E, so the console players wouldn't get pissed for them having to pay and PC players not?

But if this is going to be a paid thing, i'm not happy that we had to wait 3 years to get E&E...even it the fee would just be 10$.

There is no "Magic" here...

Rockstar wanted to shut down old gen back in 2020 and make E&E for new gen consoles and PC (we have that infamous newswire from June 11, 2020) 

 

But T2 had other plans, so they decided to go ahead with new gen consoles only, while keep milking ps4 and Xbox one with sharkcards and keep providing dlcs for old gen.

Lot of stuff happened in between, including COVID 19 pandemic, the trilogy disaster, the new gen consoles scalper situation, they working on GTA+, GTA 6 development, the RDR ports and much more...

And then somewhere in 2023 they decided to actívate development for E&E for PC (Tez2 told US that they Where working on this for about a year) and recently we got Official confirmation that is coming in 2025...and we got the anticheat implementation a few months ago, that was another clear sign that E&E was coming...

Me personally said múltiple times that it was coming...as early as 2023 in this thread, because at the end of the day it makes sense to put PC on par with new gen consoles and they Will have the opportunity to sell GTA+ memberships.

We still have yet to see if it Will be a free or paid upgrade.

Kiyone_Alien_Cop
37 minutes ago, Crateman said:

There is no "Magic" here...

Rockstar wanted to shut down old gen back in 2020 and make E&E for new gen consoles and PC (we have that infamous newswire from June 11, 2020) 

 

But T2 had other plans, so they decided to go ahead with new gen consoles only, while keep milking ps4 and Xbox one with sharkcards and keep providing dlcs for old gen.

Lot of stuff happened in between, including COVID 19 pandemic, the trilogy disaster, the new gen consoles scalper situation, they working on GTA+, GTA 6 development, the RDR ports and much more...

And then somewhere in 2023 they decided to actívate development for E&E for PC (Tez2 told US that they Where working on this for about a year) and recently we got Official confirmation that is coming in 2025...and we got the anticheat implementation a few months ago, that was another clear sign that E&E was coming...

Me personally said múltiple times that it was coming...as early as 2023 in this thread, because at the end of the day it makes sense to put PC on par with new gen consoles and they Will have the opportunity to sell GTA+ memberships.

We still have yet to see if it Will be a free or paid upgrade.

The ideal would be for E&E on PC to be paid for those who don't have the original PC version and free for those who already have the version on Steam, RGL and Epic Games, since it was leaked on RGL.

2 minutes ago, Kiyone_Alien_Cop said:

The ideal would be for E&E on PC to be paid for those who don't have the original PC version and free for those who already have the version on Steam, RGL and Epic Games, since it was leaked on RGL.

It doesn't make much sense to add an anti-cheat system to a game that's over a decade old if E&E was a paid update.

VitoCorleone1992
4 hours ago, Crateman said:

There is no "Magic" here...

Rockstar wanted to shut down old gen back in 2020 and make E&E for new gen consoles and PC (we have that infamous newswire from June 11, 2020) 

 

But T2 had other plans, so they decided to go ahead with new gen consoles only, while keep milking ps4 and Xbox one with sharkcards and keep providing dlcs for old gen.

Lot of stuff happened in between, including COVID 19 pandemic, the trilogy disaster, the new gen consoles scalper situation, they working on GTA+, GTA 6 development, the RDR ports and much more...

And then somewhere in 2023 they decided to actívate development for E&E for PC (Tez2 told US that they Where working on this for about a year) and recently we got Official confirmation that is coming in 2025...and we got the anticheat implementation a few months ago, that was another clear sign that E&E was coming...

Me personally said múltiple times that it was coming...as early as 2023 in this thread, because at the end of the day it makes sense to put PC on par with new gen consoles and they Will have the opportunity to sell GTA+ memberships.

We still have yet to see if it Will be a free or paid upgrade.

Where exactly we got confirmation that it's coming in 2025? (Not that i believed in 2024 anyway, but the exact info about that, where? Even then, i doubt they said precisely in which month of 2025, but my bet will be March, where must likely will come with the Mckenzie Airfield missions.

4 hours ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

Where exactly we got confirmation that it's coming in 2025?


It's said in a very cryptic way (in the usual R* fashion), but I think this is it
https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/k4479kk2k9ak2a/gta-online-community-update

image.png.b29cb90110d81cf7c4d27f2a8452592a.png

VitoCorleone1992
1 hour ago, MilesFox92 said:


It's said in a very cryptic way (in the usual R* fashion), but I think this is it
https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/k4479kk2k9ak2a/gta-online-community-update

image.png.b29cb90110d81cf7c4d27f2a8452592a.png

Yeah, one that could say: "are they saying in the new's year period, or next year?" 😆

On 12/12/2024 at 7:29 PM, Tez2 said:

The migration is from current PC to a newer platform, PC Gen9. We don't know whether they will allow you to migrate to PS5/XSX too.

 

What's new about the above is them adding the SP save transfers, which I believe was added with E&E on consoles. MP migration functions already exist. It's all to allow you to move your SP save from PC Gen8 to PC Gen9, but MP migration is already there. So R* may use it as well. MP saves are the same. Gen9 stats are excluded via a flag. I've seen some Gen9 packed stats within Gen8 scripts.

 

If PC Gen9 is a free upgrade, R* could have you load your stats there. If it isn't, MP migration.

I am talking specifically about the SP save transfer, I think it is there to import saves through different consoles (PS to Xbox and vice versa) , since saves aren't server side like the MP progress is.

 

We had to import the save (only one) when we got this version of the game back in 2022, in my case that was from PS4 to PS5, I'd imagine it wasn't really necessary in my case since the import process would work the same way it does with other games (Horizon comes to mind and I believe it's offline), but I would need their mechanic to transfer my SP progress if I was going from PS4 to Xbox Series X example.

 

That's why I am assuming they could be doing the exact same thing here, letting us import progress from last gen (gen8) directly to PC gen9 under this new version.

 

Spoiler

I am just throwing ideas here, I don't have a dog in this fight because someone at Rockstar thought it was a brilliant idea to delete progress on PS4 once you transfer, so it's not like I can make a switch now anyway, they backtracked on this awful decision but said too bad for those who rushed to this new version of the game like myself.

 

Edited by The-Ghost
rollschuh2282
4 hours ago, Max Payne said:

Did they set grass quality to ultra on current gen consoles? What about on Series S?

not sure if it was changed, but on PS5 at release it was only on ultra on fidelity mode

they set it to very high in both performence modes

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This comes as no surprise, but Rockstar is coming up with a new SET_VIDEO_MEMORY_BAR_2 scaleform function to display two video memory bars instead of one, with a tooltip. I suppose to convey info about ray-tracing.

1 minute ago, Tez2 said:

This comes as no surprise, but Rockstar is coming up with a new SET_VIDEO_MEMORY_BAR_2 scaleform function to display two video memory bars instead of one, with a tooltip. I suppose to convey info about ray-tracing.

I wonder if we will ever see working vehicle mirrors with ray tracing on consoles, or PC, on this game.

5 minutes ago, Pedinhuh said:

I wonder if we will ever see working vehicle mirrors with ray tracing on consoles, or PC, on this game.

Mirrors still don't work in RT modes?

Edited by MilesFox92
rollschuh2282
34 minutes ago, MilesFox92 said:

Mirrors still don't work in RT modes?

well yes and no

they work if you in third person while in the car or in first person/thirdperson while outside the car

but they don´t work if you are in first person AND in the car

15 hours ago, rollschuh2282 said:

well yes and no

they work if you in third person while in the car or in first person/thirdperson while outside the car

but they don´t work if you are in first person AND in the car

Rockstar being Rockstar I see. But to be honest with half the cars having sh*tty first person camera alignment they would be barely usable anyway

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13 hours ago, Tez2 said:

This comes as no surprise, but Rockstar is coming up with a new SET_VIDEO_MEMORY_BAR_2 scaleform function to display two video memory bars instead of one, with a tooltip. I suppose to convey info about ray-tracing.

Not sure why they're updating Gen8 files with this though. There's a v2 sprite for SettingsVideoMemory as well now, which seems to be just a taller version of the original SettingsVideoMemory.

 

There indeed seem to be two bars and two text areas:

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VitoCorleone1992

Idk, probably when the E&E comes to PC, there will be a sh*t feast of bugs! :lmaokek:

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VitoCorleone1992
21 minutes ago, Crateman said:

I disagree with that defeatist attitude :harrumph:

They are cooking it still and working on possible Bugs and such :harrumph:

I'm not saying certain bugs that can easily or not so easily but still, be fixed. I'm talking more in them making mistakes that in case we need to somehow port our characters to the new PCGen9, the progress gets lost. :sadkek:

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:bruh: Yeah, because that process hasn't happened already 3 times between versions of the game (Gen7 -> Gen8 / Gen8 -> PC / Gen8 -> Gen9). It'll be fine - of all things to be worried about lmao.

2 hours ago, VitoSpeed said:

Will Rockstar choose to announce more news at Nvidia's press conference on January 7?

There could be a small possibility, if They would've used RTX instead of DirectX Raytracing (or whatever this tech is called), but I think this is not the case

Zero possibility IMO. This will be a couple of Newswires (maybe a trailer, maybe not?) in like February or March, then it gets launched. I feel like there won't be much fanfare at all, other than announcing that it exists, it's supposed to supersede the previous version, etc.

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1 hour ago, Insoluble Fiber said:

Hopefully a few PC exclusive things 🤞

im willing to bet we will get the RT AO thats been in the gen9 files since launch but never enabled, but as far as content? no chance imo

even now that i think about it when they first started releasing e&e screenshots it looked like they were using RTGI aswell,
GTA 5 Expanded and Enhanced Graphics Comparison (PC vs PS5)
(the back of the vinewood sign is illuminated by the light bouncing off the sand)

as far as i can tell it never came out so maybe we will get it on the pc?

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1 hour ago, REEE0121 said:

So when the time does R* will upgrade Gen9 to PC ?

Nobody knows. 2025 is the only thing we know

 

 

1 hour ago, boomboom5950 said:

im willing to bet we will get the RT AO thats been in the gen9 files since launch but never enabled,

 

Are there any other graphics stuff that was added but not enabled on the consoles in E&E?

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