GTA V "E&E" PC Version Discussion

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Mexicola9302 said:

With the DX12 cpu optimizations of E&E, it might run better even with laptops. I also got a laptop next to my high end rig, it has a i7-9750H with 2,6 GHZ turbo up to 4.5 GHZ (6 cores 12 threads) it struggles playing GTAO, because the cpu optimization is too bad, having a RTX 2070 and 16 GB RAM etc. doesn't help with that. Sure it's good playable in 1080p, but it's only maybe 80-100 FPS with drops to 60 ish if a lot of things are happening. But it could be much better, if not most stuff would be computed on the first core.

And even with Vulkan support and optimizations, we could see possibily native Steam Deck support and just maybe and maybe Android version in 2023. Don't forget 2010s guys.

Edited June 24 by Saad21

[needforsuv]

1 hour ago, Mexicola9302 said:

everybody will benefit of it

except where you can't use dx12 but CAN use vulcan

also, I feel like the fps in gta has gone down again after they bandaided all those fixes

a real cleanup would help even with dx11

23 minutes ago, Robin1996ify said:

Yeah, not gonna happen buddy!

honestly, all of the time I roll with what they want in terms of wheels

not gonna argue with dollar wheels, as uncool as they are in any age

Edited June 24 by needforsuv

[Mexicola9302]

4 minutes ago, needforsuv said:

except where you can't use dx12 but CAN use vulcan

also, I feel like the fps in gta has gone down again after they bandaided all those fixes

a real cleanup would help even with dx11

Screw ppl that are more than 5 gpu generations behind, if they still have to play with DX11 because there might not be any Vulkan, it's their fault for not upgrading. I mean at some point ppl just have to accept their hardware is outdated af.

 

Im not sure but i think even GTX 7xx generation already supported DX12, and that gpu generation is very old now.

[theguy1998]

2 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Screw ppl that are more than 5 gpu generations behind, if they still have to play with DX11 because there might not be any Vulkan, it's their fault for not upgrading. I mean at some point ppl just have to accept their hardware is outdated af.

 

Im not sure but i think even GTX 7xx generation already supported DX12, and that gpu generation is very old now.

What's really outdated is GTA V itself. That's the definition of outdated.

[needforsuv]

8 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Screw ppl that are more than 5 gpu generations behind, if they still have to play with DX11 because there might not be any Vulkan, it's their fault for not upgrading. I mean at some point ppl just have to accept their hardware is outdated af.

 

Im not sure but i think even GTX 7xx generation already supported DX12, and that gpu generation is very old now.

windows 7 and 8.1 dont get any new dx12 titles or at all

and I doubt being forced to used dx12 instead of vulcan is a good move for those not on windows

Edited June 24 by needforsuv

[Mexicola9302]

1 minute ago, needforsuv said:

windows 7 and 8.1 dont get any new dx12 titles or at all

and I doubt being forced to used dx12 instead of vulcan is a good move for those not on windows

I don't think DX11 support will be just removed from the game, so it doesn't matter at all.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Screw ppl that are more than 5 gpu generations behind, if they still have to play with DX11 because there might not be any Vulkan, it's their fault for not upgrading. I mean at some point ppl just have to accept their hardware is outdated af.

 

Im not sure but i think even GTX 7xx generation already supported DX12, and that gpu generation is very old now.

Have some sanity man, not everyone can afford high spec rigs although I do have a Dell laptop with 2nd gen Intel Core I7, it has no discrete gpu, just potato Hd3000 from intel which runs Gta 4 under 30 fps on Windows 7. Currently kaput.

1 minute ago, Mexicola9302 said:

I don't think DX11 support will be just removed from the game, so it doesn't matter at all.

I am also thinking of this.

4 minutes ago, needforsuv said:

windows 7 and 8.1 dont get any new dx12 titles or at all

and I doubt being forced to used dx12 instead of vulcan is a good move for those not on windows

Relax man, just hope no support is dropped.

[needforsuv]

2 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

I don't think DX11 support will be just removed from the game, so it doesn't matter at all.

but the improvements need to flow back

surely there's stuff to be done to make it run better on existing hardware and settings

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, theguy1998 said:

What's really outdated is GTA V itself. That's the definition of outdated.

Gta 4 says hi.

1 minute ago, needforsuv said:

but the improvements need to flow back

surely there's stuff to be done to make it run better on existing hardware and settings

They will not highlight some settings like when we switch from dx10 to 11 such as grass.

[needforsuv]

On 6/19/2022 at 7:29 PM, Unspoken OH said:

- god awful fire effect

- horrible smoke effect

- poor explosion effect

hopefully OPTIONAL

[Spider-Vice]

24 minutes ago, needforsuv said:

for those not on windows

Proton works perfectly fine with most modern DX12 games. In fact, translating DX12 to Vulkan is a lot better than translating DX11 to Vulkan, it would make the game work even better on a SteamDeck, or users running Linux distros on their gaming PC's.

 

24 minutes ago, needforsuv said:

windows 7 and 8.1 dont get any new dx12 titles or at all

Then stop using outdated, end-of-life operating systems if you want modern gaming.

 

I don't think they're gonna get rid of DX11 anyway. SGA, the new renderer behind RAGE that RDR2 and now GTAV "E&E" uses, has DX11 support in it, R* just chose not to use it in RDR2. They can have the 3 of them even if they want.

[needforsuv]

1 minute ago, Spider-Vice said:

Then stop using outdated, end-of-life

never with 7. Can't stand the FLAT windows 10 BS

also, 8.1 is technically still supported

2 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

In fact, translating DX12 to Vulkan is a lot better

not as good as if it were vulkan to begin with

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Proton works perfectly fine with most modern DX12 games. In fact, translating DX12 to Vulkan is a lot better than translating DX11 to Vulkan, it would make the game work even better on a SteamDeck, or users running Linux distros on their gaming PC's.

 

Then stop using outdated, end-of-life operating systems if you want modern gaming.

 

I don't think they're gonna get rid of DX11 anyway. SGA, the new renderer behind RAGE that RDR2 and now GTAV "E&E" uses, has DX11 support in it, R* just chose not to use it in RDR2. They can have the 3 of them even if they want.

Yeah as long as wine and proton also exist I am absolutely fine but native versions will not require Windows things like Visual c runtime and a whole lot of other things you may have seen in winetricks.

 

Few days ago experimental version of Beamng was announced for Linux, Ets 2 and Ats have native linux versions without Vulkan support for now.

 

There are few games but still something is always better then nothing. All my hopes are on Steam Deck for native gaming support. It will happen in good times.

49 minutes ago, needforsuv said:

never with 7. Can't stand the FLAT windows 10 BS

also, 8.1 is technically still supported

not as good as if it were vulkan to begin with

7 and 8.1 are only good for legacy gaming now. Even pcsx2 new nightly version, ryujinx and dolphin dropped support for them, for me only ppsspp is left now

[Spider-Vice]

Can we please stop the operating system arguments, that are completely off-topic and are turning this thread into any of the other PC topics we've had in the last few years where it's all random arguing? Jesus, it's not even 4 full months before "E&E" launched on consoles and we're already doing this. As much as needforsuv may be running such a crappy configuration, it doesn't really matter and it's not what the topic is about. Don't escalate random arguments for no reason - it's the GTA V "E&E" PC Version Thread, not the rate/roast my setup/experience/whatever thread.

 

Cleaned up the thread a little. If this starts getting too frequent, we won't have a PC discussion thread, like we (well not me at that time) had to do with GTA V on PC, locking the thread like kids in kindergarten having no recess for misbehaving.

[Guest]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=vulkan-ray-tracing&num=1

 

With Vulkan and Dx12 supporting ray tracing, Rockstar could entirely drop dx10 and 11 50/50 which means everyone needs to get their butts up and get a new pc or otherwise live with the old one and be thankful, or phones are there too you know.

 

Thanks Spider-Vice for posting Proton above.

Edited June 24 by Saad21

[Lamborghini1335]

11 hours ago, needforsuv said:

never with 7. Can't stand the FLAT windows 10 BS

also, 8.1 is technically still supported

not as good as if it were vulkan to begin with

I never liked Win10, could never stand all the bloatware that was in it. I've lost installs of windows 10 and I'd go back to Win7, but you're playing with fire and its only a matter of time before you get burnt on forced to upgrade if you want this or that at some point. If it was still a valid option I'd stay on win7.

 

Anyways, the only "junk" I want from E&E is the cars, HSW junk and the paint colors that were added. Nothing else matters (well imo for the most part)

Edited June 25 by Lamborghini1335
off topic

[Spider-Vice]

45 minutes ago, éX-Driver said:

Probably an indication that support for current gen consoles is close to the end. 1-2 more updates and it’ll be next-gen only thenceforth

I mean yeah, now that current-gen versions that run better are out, we could even see the Winter DLC not being released on last-gen anymore. We're two or so years into the current-gen, at this point it's current not next

[éX-Driver]

2 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

I mean yeah, now that current-gen versions that run better are out, we could even see the Winter DLC not being released on last-gen anymore. We're two or so years into the current-gen, at this point it's current not next

Chronologically, sure. But the ‘current gen’ consoles are functionally stillborn. Practically zero take-up rate, as a result the PS5 only has about six exclusives two years after launch and the SeX has none. Dozens of games that were originally going to be NG exclusive were walked back and ported to Xbone and Ps4 because of how few people actually have the new consoles. 
I don’t know what the sales figures for GTAV E&E look like, but I reckon they’re bloody awful compared to continued sales on PC/current gen

[ambi3nt]

7 minutes ago, éX-Driver said:

Chronologically, sure. But the ‘current gen’ consoles are functionally stillborn. Practically zero take-up rate, as a result the PS5 only has about six exclusives two years after launch and the SeX has none. Dozens of games that were originally going to be NG exclusive were walked back and ported to Xbone and Ps4 because of how few people actually have the new consoles. 
I don’t know what the sales figures for GTAV E&E look like, but I reckon they’re bloody awful compared to continued sales on PC/current gen

Well PC can get latest patch no problem. So yeah, this qol packed update does indeed seem like incoming wave of good bye for ps4/xone.

[éX-Driver]

4 minutes ago, ambi3nt said:

Well PC can get latest patch no problem. So yeah, this qol packed update does indeed seem like incoming wave of good bye for ps4/xone.

Most of what’s in E&E can be ported to the Xbone and PS4, too. It’s not like the leap from 360/PS3, where they actually went back and touched up textures and models and AI and game modes and added practically all of the Online content that existed up to that point into SP. E&E really just adds 60fps for consoles, raytracing for shadows, a handful of QoL updates to the UI, and two new cars that are basically reskins of cars already in the game. 

[Spider-Vice]

As pointed out in this topic and others, "E&E" changed the rendering engine behind GTA V ENTIRELY to the one used in RDR2 - which doesn't mean the game will look like RDR2, but it means there were major programming changes done. So no, it's not as simple as you think and it couldn't be done on those consoles especially because they're adding ray tracing among other changes such as completely changing the graphics API. Only on console it's ray traced shadows-only, the settings file that was extracted from "E&E" reveals the game supports reflection ray tracing, among other things, it's just disabled - that might be on PC instead.

 

Features-wise, sure, you can argue it was underwhelming, but tech and programming wise "E&E" had pretty major changes under the hood which you can't "just apply" to old consoles. PS4 and Xbox One are getting abandoned after this DLC, would bet money. It's definitely a sunset soon.

 

I'm just hoping that it DOES come to PC because what was datamined out of the new versions seems to imply there's extra stuff that could be applied to a PC build, but at the same time a lot of file formats changed in "E&E" due to this new graphics engine (which would mean re-downloading the entire game) and there is no evidence on SteamDB that they're changing the core game files... It would be an 100 GB download. Unless the PC version is going to be backwards compatible with older texture and model formats... I'm not sure what to expect to be totally honest. We'll see.

[ambi3nt]

8 minutes ago, éX-Driver said:

Most of what’s in E&E can be ported to the Xbone and PS4, too. It’s not like the leap from 360/PS3, where they actually went back and touched up textures and models and AI and game modes and added practically all of the Online content that existed up to that point into SP. E&E really just adds 60fps for consoles, raytracing for shadows, a handful of QoL updates to the UI, and two new cars that are basically reskins of cars already in the game. 

But if they add a bigger update? Eggbox already runs the game slower than you can scroll power point slides.

Edited July 8 by ambi3nt

[éX-Driver]

22 minutes ago, ambi3nt said:

But if they add a bigger update? Eggbox already runs the game slower than you can scroll power point slides.

Because of R*’s poor optimisation

[boomboom5950]

2 hours ago, éX-Driver said:

Because of R*’s poor optimisation

give it up already. Last gen is dead after this update stop beating a dead horse. is 10 fps not enough of an indication that last gen cannot keep up anymore??

[gamerMK2]

What are the chances new DLC brings E&E on PC?

[ambi3nt]

I would guess nope. Maybe in winter with a bigger update. Or never. After all this one is more of qol and coming to all platforms. 

[RyuNova]

While I sympathise with PC users the vast majority of the E&E version is only bringing the console versions up to par with what PC has had for years, the HSW is made to take advantage of the console's new SSD's as standard which a lot of PC players don't have and, without getting your back up, how would it be fair if PC gets it for free while console players paid for it and let's be honest, how many PC players would pay for it?

[ambi3nt]

How do HSW upgrades tie in with SSDs? It's just a bit higher vehicle speed. And there are vehicles which already have higher speeds than those. If people have map loading issues then it's RAM problems at most.

[RyuNova]

Just now, ambi3nt said:

How do HSW upgrades tie in with SSDs? It's just a bit higher vehicle speed. And there are vehicles which already have higher speeds than those. If people have map loading issues then it's RAM problems at most.

 

Because consoles have never had SSD's and the HDD's they had were sh*t and decrepit. It's also not slightly higher speeds, the Hakuchu Drag, the Weaponised Ignus and the Cyclone II are all insane when it comes to acceleration and top speed.

[ambi3nt]

SSD mostly affects initial loading when booting game, switching chars, loading into/from jobs etc. When driving/flying around it's irrelevant. In older consoles almost all hardware parts were sh*t.