GTA V "E&E" PC Version Discussion

[needforsuv]

On 5/30/2022 at 5:57 AM, Robin1996ify said:

Also don't like all the new cars, just some weaponized version of an existing cars

especially those with CANDLE headlights

[MaddenedGhost]

Quick question:

 

PC has those double headlight shadows, as in, if you point your car at a light post, it produces two shadows because of the two lights, PS5 only has one, is it a bug or is it intentional (limitation)?

[gamerMK2]

14 hours ago, The_Ghost said:

or is it intentional (limitation)

This.

[needforsuv]

15 hours ago, The_Ghost said:

Quick question:

 

PC has those double headlight shadows, as in, if you point your car at a light post, it produces two shadows because of the two lights, PS5 only has one, is it a bug or is it intentional (limitation)?

Does ps5 have 2 shadows in non-rt modes?

Because in RT, halving shadows would mean less rays cast

[Unspoken OH]

On the console version, I cannot stand the

- fps drops

- motion blur

- lens distortion 

- anamorphic lens flares (blue horizontal lines coming from light sources and their reflections)

- bloom

- god awful fire effect

- horrible smoke effect

- poor explosion effect

- main menu with the Flight School music because it literally feels like a mobile game, it's so terribly made

- inability to mod the game - but that's not inherently the game's fault, that's just how consoles are

- faster loading times, which are actually slower than ever before (I'm talking about Singleplayer only)

- bloom again

- motion blur again

 

All of these "issues" could easily be fixed on PC by using OpenIV. The ray-traced shadows look a lot better (unironically) and there're a few improvements that I also f*cks with, such as windshield shattering and... uh, some more ... stuff.

 

Please Rockstar, release this thing on PC so we can fix everything that you screwed up. Thank you.

 

 

[MaddenedGhost]

Since this is terrible, why do you want it on PC?

[Unspoken OH]

44 minutes ago, The_Ghost said:

Since this is terrible, why do you want it on PC?

 

Because of the ray-traced shadows mainly, and some minor improvements which are actually cool. The shadows in the PC version look horrible (maxed out 4K). They sometimes look inaccurate, they overlap with occlusion, ending up in missing shadows in certain places plus they flicker a lot and you can still see horrible cube mapped shadows (invisible cube around your character in which shadows are rendered at high resolution, while outside of this cube are low resolution shadows and as you walk/move you see the sharp transition from low-res shadows to hi-res shadows, which looks ridiculous for a PC port. I can understand why Rockstar used this technique in PS3 and XB360 but on PC it makes no sense)

Edited June 19 by Unspoken OH

[Arrows to Athens]

15 hours ago, Unspoken OH said:

On the console version, I cannot stand the

- fps drops

- motion blur

- lens distortion 

- anamorphic lens flares (blue horizontal lines coming from light sources and their reflections)

- bloom

- god awful fire effect

- horrible smoke effect

- poor explosion effect

- main menu with the Flight School music because it literally feels like a mobile game, it's so terribly made

- inability to mod the game - but that's not inherently the game's fault, that's just how consoles are

- faster loading times, which are actually slower than ever before (I'm talking about Singleplayer only)

- bloom again

- motion blur again

 

All of these "issues" could easily be fixed on PC by using OpenIV. The ray-traced shadows look a lot better (unironically) and there're a few improvements that I also f*cks with, such as windshield shattering and... uh, some more ... stuff.

 

Please Rockstar, release this thing on PC so we can fix everything that you screwed up. Thank you.

 

 

You can turn motion blur off. As for fps drops, I rarely every experience them, and if there are any, they're minor and therefore hardly noticeable.

Edited June 20 by Arrows to Athens

[Haribokart]

1 hour ago, Arrows to Athens said:

You can turn motion blur off. As for fps drops, I rarely every experience them, and if there any, they're minor and therefore hardly noticeable.

 

Don't even bother mate, whatever evidence is presented to the contrary of their mostly inaccurate claims, the majority of PC gamers hate E&E... then constantly cry about how badly they need it to be ported over so they can play it as @The_Ghost pointed out above. Never fails to raise a chuckle!

[theguy1998]

13 minutes ago, Haribokart said:

 

Don't even bother mate, whatever evidence is presented to the contrary of their mostly inaccurate claims, the majority of PC gamers hate E&E... then constantly cry about how badly they need it to be ported over so they can play it as @The_Ghost pointed out above. Never fails to raise a chuckle!

I have a PS5 and I notice FPS drops. But only in 20+ players lobbies and if there's a lot of effects on the screen.

 

...and, when I'm at the LSCM too!

 

I think I can say "E&E is bad" since I have a PS5, right?

Edited June 20 by theguy1998

[pinkpanther69]

I just want the cars lmao ... especially the s95 (gt86)

[motomami]

19 hours ago, Unspoken OH said:

- god awful fire effect

- horrible smoke effect

- poor explosion effect

I agree with this. From the gameplay that i've seen something about the new effects look off to me. Like it doesn't fit the style of the game.

[Kiyone_Alien_Cop]

35 minutes ago, pinkpanther69 said:

I just want the cars lmao ... especially the s95 (gt86)

And the Arbiter GT, which by the way is based on a true legend, the Pontiac GTO.

[Unspoken OH]

18 hours ago, Haribokart said:

 

Don't even bother mate, whatever evidence is presented to the contrary of their mostly inaccurate claims, the majority of PC gamers hate E&E... then constantly cry about how badly they need it to be ported over so they can play it as @The_Ghost pointed out above. Never fails to raise a chuckle!

 

1.) How is wanting a PC port a bad thing?

2.) What inaccurate claims have I presented? Most of them are personal opinions, such as me not liking some visual effects, so it cannot be called inaccurate because it's subjective. What's objectively true is the FPS drops and the slower loading times compared to the previous generation release, when installed on these new consoles. Both of these were confirmed. 

 

FPS drops in various graphics modes on next-gen consoles:

 

Load time comparison

 

So, what exactly is inaccurate here?

 

PS.: The majority of 'gamers' hate E&E, because it should have been a free upgrade. This E&E version does not offer enough content to justify the horrendous price tag. Sure, it's nice to have 60 FPS and RT shadows on consoles, but it's not worth $40 dollars. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Maybe if Rockstar released a fully-fledged SP DLC then it would be alright. Oh and guess what, Rockstar still uses the same old peer to peer connection bullsh*t, which is ridiculous in 2022. 

Edited June 20 by Unspoken OH

[Unspoken OH]

On 6/19/2022 at 12:06 PM, The_Ghost said:

Since this is terrible, why do you want it on PC?

 

Because it can be made less bad on PC. You know, mods? Modding community? People that make the game more enjoyable for others, mostly for free? Ah, nothing you console fanboys would understand, really.

[MaddenedGhost]

9 minutes ago, Unspoken OH said:

 

Because it can be made less bad on PC. You know, mods? Modding community? People that make the game more enjoyable for others, mostly for free? Ah, nothing you console fanboys would understand, really.

Pretty argumentative considering most graphical mods look awful and ugly besides like 2 or 3 of them lol

 

Rest of your comment is pretty condescending and silly, it's funny you call me a console fanboy while I have been using mods in GTA games ever since Vice City.

 

Edit: I have literally just downloaded Silent Patch for GTASA a few hours ago but I am a console fanboy who doesn't understand modding lmaoooo shut up.

Edited June 20 by The_Ghost

[MaddenedGhost]

20 hours ago, Arrows to Athens said:

You can turn motion blur off. As for fps drops, I rarely every experience them, and if there are any, they're minor and therefore hardly noticeable.

The only problematic thing to me with this release from a technical perspective is the stupid ghosting behind cars.

I can get behind the other little things I noticed because they are not very visible.

 

I do wish we had the double shadows for headlights like PC does, they look nicer.

 

The FPS drops I have noticed are the ones I mentioned in the other thread, use a Savage and shoot into the canals in Vespucci, for whatever reason the game really hates the water splash effect they added into the game.

[Unspoken OH]

1 hour ago, The_Ghost said:

1 - Pretty argumentative considering most graphical mods look awful and ugly besides like 2 or 3 of them lol

 

2 - Rest of your comment is pretty condescending and silly, it's funny you call me a console fanboy while I have been using mods in GTA games ever since Vice City.

 

3 - Edit: I have literally just downloaded Silent Patch for GTASA a few hours ago but I am a console fanboy who doesn't understand modding lmaoooo shut up.

 

1 - Who said anything about graphics mods? Did you even read my thread? I was gonna remove / restore the visual effects that I find ugly. I wasn't talking about graphics mods overhauls if that's what you meant?

2 - I don't know you. You sounded like a console fanboy based on your comment that you left. Not my fault. That's just how you presented yourself. How is the rest of my post silly? What's silly about it? Mention specifically the part that you think is silly.

3 - Telling others to shut up, lol, I didn't expect anything less from the likes of you.

[Spider-Vice]

Yeah this thread is once again becoming yet another GTAForums Certified PC Thread filled with arguments and insults like the ones in 2008 (IV), 2014/15 (V, which spanned 3000 pages, with a good 70% of it being arguing) and 2018 (RDR2). Keep it up and we'll have no "E&E" PC topic until it's out.

 

I'm sure everyone can argue points without telling others to shut up or with thinly veiled insults and condescension like "the likes of you" or "console fanboys". I can't believe there's still people like this in 2022, it looks like a thread from 2008 where "console fanboy" was thought to be this huge insult  

[IzzyBlues]

20 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

Yeah this thread is once again becoming yet another GTAForums Certified PC Thread filled with arguments and insults like the ones in 2008 (IV), 2014/15 (V, which spanned 3000 pages, with a good 70% of it being arguing) and 2018 (RDR2). Keep it up and we'll have no "E&E" PC topic until it's out.

 

I'm sure everyone can argue points without telling others to shut up or with thinly veiled insults and condescension like "the likes of you" or "console fanboys". I can't believe there's still people like this in 2022, it looks like a thread from 2008 where "console fanboy" was thought to be this huge insult  

Shut up, fanboy.

 

I'm joking please don't spank me.

[Mexicola9302]

Im still wondering why there are console vs PC wars in 2022, im just happy console ppl can enjoy 60 FPS with upscaled 1440p now too. Everybody should be happy, but no things like this still happen.

[Lost_Warrior]

1 hour ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Im still wondering why there are console vs PC wars in 2022, im just happy console ppl can enjoy 60 FPS with upscaled 1440p now too. Everybody should be happy, but no things like this still happen.

 

I'm still wondering why there are people arguing that PC shouldn't get the content  because we already have "everything" E&E offers. 

 

Like you guys realize we are missing actual content right? Stop countering our pleads for the update with "it doesn't matter for you, you guys have everything why would you want to play it"

[RubenGass]

After having recently upgraded my PC I'm really starting to see GTA5's age. The shadows and physics simulations are still great but the general quality of most textures is just meh.

[Mexicola9302]

With the DX12 cpu optimizations of E&E, it might run better even with laptops. I also got a laptop next to my high end rig, it has a i7-9750H with 2,6 GHZ turbo up to 4.5 GHZ (6 cores 12 threads) it struggles playing GTAO, because the cpu optimization is too bad, having a RTX 2070 and 16 GB RAM etc. doesn't help with that. Sure it's good playable in 1080p, but it's only maybe 80-100 FPS with drops to 60 ish if a lot of things are happening. But it could be much better, if not most stuff would be computed on the first core.

Edited June 24 by Mexicola9302

[needforsuv]

17 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

With the DX12 cpu optimizations of E&E, it might run better even with laptops. I also got a laptop next to my high end rig, it has a i7-9750H with 2,6 GHZ turbo up to 4.5 GHZ (6 cores 12 threads) it struggles playing GTAO, because the cpu optimization is too bad, having a RTX 2070 and 16 GB RAM etc. doesn't help with that. Sure it's good playable in 1080p, but it's only maybe 80-100 FPS with drops to 60 ish if a lot of things are happening. But it could be much better, if not most stuff would be computed on the first core.

that sounds like running fine to me

[MaddenedGhost]

1 hour ago, Mexicola9302 said:

With the DX12 cpu optimizations of E&E, it might run better even with laptops. I also got a laptop next to my high end rig, it has a i7-9750H with 2,6 GHZ turbo up to 4.5 GHZ (6 cores 12 threads) it struggles playing GTAO, because the cpu optimization is too bad, having a RTX 2070 and 16 GB RAM etc. doesn't help with that. Sure it's good playable in 1080p, but it's only maybe 80-100 FPS with drops to 60 ish if a lot of things are happening. But it could be much better, if not most stuff would be computed on the first core.

Spoiler

You are complaining about 80-100fps? 

Can we all just collectively clap for this man? Your "problematic" FPS are some of us's dreams out here.

 

 

PS: I don't mean any offense by this, it's just astonishing to me that we still got people telling us that the new release of this game is same as PC when there are people like you with a wildly different experience to a lot of us console users.

 

Edited June 24 by The_Ghost

[Mexicola9302]

2 minutes ago, The_Ghost said:

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You are complaining about 80-100fps? 

Can we all just collectively clap for this man? Your "problematic" FPS are some of us's dreams out here.

 

 

PS: I don't mean any offense by this, it's just astonishing to me that we still got people telling us that the new release of this game is same as PC when there are people like you with a wildly different experience to a lot of us console users.

 

The game is old, for some ppl it's no problem having 120 or 144 or even more FPS. The only problem is the cpu bottleneck by the bad optimization, if that is fixed by using DX12 everybody will benefit of it. Not just the ppl with higher end rigs.

 

I just recorded 3 videos while playing with "only" 60 FPS, it just feels so bad playing with that low FPS, everything looks a bit blurry etc. playing the game with a high refresh rate and with G-Sync or Freesync is just 100 times better, it also helps with the bad aliasing effects.

[MaddenedGhost]

Just now, Mexicola9302 said:

The game is old, for some ppl it's no problem having 120 or 144 or even more FPS. The only problem is the cpu bottleneck by the bad optimization, if that is fixed by using DX12 everybody will benefit of it. Not just the ppl with higher end rigs.

 

I just recorded 3 videos while playing with "only" 60 FPS, it just feels so bad playing with that low FPS, everything looks a bit blurry etc. playing the game with a high refresh rate and with G-Sync or Freesync is just 100 times better, it also helps with the bad aliasing effects.

This man PCs.

[Captain Yamamoto]

11 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

The game is old, for some ppl it's no problem having 120 or 144 or even more FPS. The only problem is the cpu bottleneck by the bad optimization, if that is fixed by using DX12 everybody will benefit of it. Not just the ppl with higher end rigs.

 

I just recorded 3 videos while playing with "only" 60 FPS, it just feels so bad playing with that low FPS, everything looks a bit blurry etc. playing the game with a high refresh rate and with G-Sync or Freesync is just 100 times better, it also helps with the bad aliasing effects.

its funny how many people will complain about how sh*t the game is put together, yet expect a DLC every 6 months

"OMG E&E was nothing!"

yea. for consumers, it feels like nothing.

me, ill just see what the next DLC will bring. better have some sweet muscle cars, or some classic sedans

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

The game is old, for some ppl it's no problem having 120 or 144 or even more FPS. The only problem is the cpu bottleneck by the bad optimization, if that is fixed by using DX12 everybody will benefit of it. Not just the ppl with higher end rigs.

 

I just recorded 3 videos while playing with "only" 60 FPS, it just feels so bad playing with that low FPS, everything looks a bit blurry etc. playing the game with a high refresh rate and with G-Sync or Freesync is just 100 times better, it also helps with the bad aliasing effects.

Vulkan baby. Here, here, here you gooooooooooooo. Come on.

Can we please have the new Teslas plaid and roadster...