GTA V "E&E" PC Version Discussion

[Moncastler]

3 minutes ago, PisswasserEnjoyer said:

Thank god i wrote down "if that is the case at all". Nevertheless pc got gta 5 one year after the ps3 and xbox 360 got it, so with or without any exclusivity deals (dont care, dont quote me on that) rockstar delayed it by one year. I dont see any reason why they shouldn't do the same again so im betting the E&E is coming either next month or will come with the next big update. If none of these happens, then i guess we won't be getting it. 

I didn't want to appear aggressive (and I'm sorry in case it looked like I did to you), but what I was trying to explain is that there's no possibility of E&E on PC being held back by an exclusivity deal. Time between releases doesn't necessarily mean there's an exclusivity deal, it's just that developing complex games like GTA V requires time and porting it to other platforms can be a challenge. For example that was most likely the case with the PS4, Xbox One and PC ports, the game was originally built for 7th gen consoles running on the IBM PowerPC architecture and I'm sure that going to the x86 architecture of the 8th gen consoles and PC required quite some time.

These days consoles and PCs are more similar in terms of hardware and development (consoles have now multiple graphics / performance settings and you have more target machines), it's very rare for a multiplatform game to be delayed on PC. An E&E PC port shouldn't take this long, and at this point I don't think it'll come out... In the end for the average user E&E brings very minor improvements to the existing PC version, still it would be really nice to get it.

[Extricated]

3 minutes ago, Moncastler said:

I didn't want to appear aggressive (and I'm sorry in case it looked like I did to you), but what I was trying to explain is that there's no possibility of E&E on PC being held back by an exclusivity deal. Time between releases doesn't necessarily mean there's an exclusivity deal, it's just that developing complex games like GTA V requires time and porting it to other platforms can be a challenge. For example that was most likely the case with the PS4, Xbox One and PC ports, the game was originally built for 7th gen consoles running on the IBM PowerPC architecture and I'm sure that going to the x86 architecture of the 8th gen consoles and PC required quite some time.

These days consoles and PCs are more similar in terms of hardware and development (consoles have now multiple graphics / performance settings and you have more target machines), it's very rare for a multiplatform game to be delayed on PC. An E&E PC port shouldn't take this long, and at this point I don't think it'll come out... In the end for the average user E&E brings very minor improvements to the existing PC version, still it would be really nice to get it.

What the hell do you mean there's no possibility of it being held back by an exclusivity deal? Sure it's not guaranteed and could be tech related, but it's entirely possible that it is indeed an exclusivity deal. 

[Spider-Vice]

12 minutes ago, Hazzardtohimself said:

Of course, if GTA6 turns out to be a cesspool of rehashed spaghetti code found in the embers of the garbage fire that is current Online, it won't matter! 

We'll be in luck in that regard I think, as RDO already changed a lot of fundamentals in how the online portion works. Not perfect, there's still hackers too, but it's made them more modern and some of the exploits used in GTAO have actually been impossible to do in RDO since day one due to these revamped systems.

[Moncastler]

2 minutes ago, Extricated said:

What the hell do you mean there's no possibility of it being held back by an exclusivity deal? Sure it's not guaranteed and could be tech related, but it's entirely possible that it is indeed an exclusivity deal. 

Because it is not an exclusive game, E&E is out on 2 competing platforms!

[Extricated]

Just now, Moncastler said:

Because it is not an exclusive game, E&E is out on 2 competing platforms!

And? R* had a deal with Sony when it launched, it's entirely possible that covers the PC aspect too 

[Moncastler]

28 minutes ago, Extricated said:

And? R* had a deal with Sony when it launched, it's entirely possible that covers the PC aspect too 

I promise this is my last post regarding this exclusivity thing, I think I've already said more than enough and I don't want to deviate too much from the topic's original point of discussion.

 

Take Two Interactive, Sony and Microsoft are all on the stock market and, for obvious reasons, they're expected to announce quite in detail any kind of deal or partnership. The deal between Rockstar and Sony covers marketing promotions on Sony's side and timed exclusives (for RDO) and special promotions (like GTA$ 1.000.000 a month for PS Plus subscribers) on Rockstar's side.

Also, if it's a deal between Sony and Rockstar, why would they include the Xbox Series (Sony's main competitor) but not the PC (which is a platform where Sony is investing lots of money and from which they expect half of the PlayStation Studios sales in a few years time)? Guess Jim Ryan had a beer too much on that day 

[Kiyone_Alien_Cop]

Particularly I have the same opinion of @Spider-Vice, probably the Rockstar team is having some difficulties to port and optimize the new graphics and functionalities for the PC version and another fact after the leaks of GTA 6 in September of last year had a little blame the delay of E&E for PC as Rockstar's core team efforts are on GTA 6, to paraphrase @Spider-Vice the question not if but when it will come to PC.

Edited February 5 by Kiyone_Alien_Cop

[Max96]

1 hour ago, Kiyone_Alien_Cop said:

Particularly I have the same opinion of @Spider-Vice, probably the Rockstar team is having some difficulties to port and optimize the new graphics and functionalities for the PC version and another fact after the leaks of GTA 6 in September of last year had a little blame the delay of E&E for PC as Rockstar's core team efforts are on GTA 6, to paraphrase @Spider-Vice the question not if but when it will come to PC.

Realistic Steak on this!

Considering Rockstar's condition, stuff is kinda complicated, most realistic they just take their time at the moment to finish things.

Edited February 5 by Max96

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

12 hours ago, Moncastler said:

I didn't want to appear aggressive (and I'm sorry in case it looked like I did to you)

All good, im not offended at all. I was just staying out of that conversation since i dont know if there was an exclusivity deal or not.

 

12 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

We'll be in luck in that regard I think, as RDO already changed a lot of fundamentals in how the online portion works. Not perfect, there's still hackers too, but it's made them more modern and some of the exploits used in GTAO have actually been impossible to do in RDO since day one due to these revamped systems.

I really do hope that it will be like this. Honestly speaking idc if there are cheats for the player themselves (teleport, money etc.) since that is for the cheater themselves and doesnt ruin the game for others. Would be cool to see gtao like that as well. As a player on pc, I just hate getting my fps dropped by sh*t ton of cargo planes spawned on the map or getting locked up in a cage by a cheater.

 

10 hours ago, Max96 said:

Realistic Steak on this!

Considering Rockstar's condition, stuff is kinda complicated, most realistic they just take their time at the moment to finish things.

Im gonna say this is very much a "glass half full" perspective but here's hoping.

Edited February 6 by PisswasserEnjoyer

[Spider-Vice]

I didn't mean to say they're having specific development difficulties (and much less related to anything recent), but rather that I think decisions will have to be made in regards to the thousands of mods out there, alongside other factors, especially due to rendering code changes that exist in Gen9 code which may affect all of that - refer back to this larger post of mine in this very topic:

 

That said, if ray tracing and all the eyecandy stuff is to come to the PC version so it's all neatly in sync with the Gen9 consoles, a lot more testing and optimisation will have to be conducted for sure (meaning may take longer), as developing on PC (and this applies to all games) isn't quite like developing on consoles with static OS's and static hardware!

[Max96]

Pessimistic scenario: Rockstar's too lazy to work on everything listed above.

Edited February 6 by Max96

[Extricated]

7 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

I didn't mean to say they're having specific development difficulties (and much less related to anything recent), but rather that I think decisions will have to be made in regards to the thousands of mods out there, alongside other factors, especially due to rendering code changes that exist in Gen9 code which may affect all of that - refer back to this larger post of mine in this very topic:

 

That said, if ray tracing and all the eyecandy stuff is to come to the PC version so it's all neatly in sync with the Gen9 consoles, a lot more testing and optimisation will have to be conducted for sure (meaning may take longer), as developing on PC (and this applies to all games) isn't quite like developing on consoles with static OS's and static hardware!

If you actually think mods factor into their decision to bring E&E to PC then I've got a bridge to sell you...

[Crateman]

Come on Rockstar dump some empty folders in the RGL SO we can have something to speculate 

[Max96]

5 minutes ago, Crateman said:

Come on Rockstar dump some empty folders in the RGL SO we can have something to speculate 

What do you mean?

P.S. Indeed, wish there's something appears so we can speculate.

[Crateman]

3 minutes ago, Max96 said:

What do you mean?

P.S. Indeed, wish there's something appears so we can speculate.

I mean some file changes, maybe qabeta activity, anything that could indicate they are doing something...

The poorly events on GTA online and dripfeed don't help either... hopefully we get something interesting this coming thursday 

[Max96]

3 minutes ago, Crateman said:

I mean some file changes, maybe qabeta activity, anything that could indicate they are doing something...

The poorly events on GTA online and dripfeed don't help either... hopefully we get something interesting this coming thursday 

Well, qabeta and qalive get regular updates almost every day, but we don't know what's "under the hood"

[Crateman]

1 minute ago, Max96 said:

Well, qabeta and qalive get regular updates almost every day, but we don't know what's "under the hood"

You are right on that one...maybe a RGL update Will give us more insight, we need wait  

[Spider-Vice]

There was an RGL update but nothing interesting, mostly technical changes regarding its functioning while in offline mode.

[Max96]

Yep, just updated the Launcher.

Wish we get some info one day 

[Crateman]

I kinda predicted the RGL update (pure coincidence) but nothing related to E&E it seems 

[Max96]

Okay, if there's nothing to debate for now, let's talk about the way of E&E release again.

It will come out:

1) As a patch to existing version (like Witcher 3 update). PC version is tied to Social Club, can't imagine data migration here. But yet E&E's structure in different.

2) As a new game (PS5/Xbox Series versions port). Rockstar could sell the game again, but it may seem weird for PC players.

For both factors, Rockstar most likely will release a standalone version of GTA Online available for a purchase for those who don't own the game (E&E online mode is untied from story).

Edited February 7 by Max96

[Ritsual]

2 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

There was an RGL update but nothing interesting, mostly technical changes regarding its functioning while in offline mode.

prolly preparations for updates such as e&e, rdo, whatever 

[krotex]

1 hour ago, Max96 said:

2) As a new game (PS5/Xbox Series versions port). Rockstar could sell the game again, but it may seem weird for PC players.

For both factors, Rockstar most likely will release a standalone version of GTA Online available for a purchase for those who don't own the game (E&E online mode is untied from story).

Doesn't make any sense. The game stays now on life supporting system. The game is full of bugs, glitches and exploits that simply cannot be fixed. This is used by cheaters, hackers, modders, glitchers, and it's impossible to resist them. Any update, any changes adds problems. The game collapses, crashes, freezes, loses fps. Basic functions don't work, synchronization with servers is broken, interaction between local scripts is also broken. In fact, now the game is a pile of patches and patched patches on the patches.

There is practically no feedback, the support is useless. The game outlived itself. The lifespan is coming to an end. There's just no point in continuing it.

If they release a patch that adds content (only content) from E&E like a regular update - I accept it. But in the form of a "new game" it doesn't interest me even for free.

If they also add new E&E graphics... well, this will be the most cruel and last experiment. The game just won't survive it.

[Crateman]

26 minutes ago, krotex said:

Doesn't make any sense. The game stays now on life supporting system. The game is full of bugs, glitches and exploits that simply cannot be fixed. This is used by cheaters, hackers, modders, glitchers, and it's impossible to resist them. Any update, any changes adds problems. The game collapses, crashes, freezes, loses fps. Basic functions don't work, synchronization with servers is broken, interaction between local scripts is also broken. In fact, now the game is a pile of patches and patched patches on the patches.

There is practically no feedback, the support is useless. The game outlived itself. The lifespan is coming to an end. There's just no point in continuing it.

If they release a patch that adds content (only content) from E&E like a regular update - I accept it. But in the form of a "new game" it doesn't interest me even for free.

If they also add new E&E graphics... well, this will be the most cruel and last experiment. The game just won't survive it.

I disagree, yes the game has problems, glitches, modders, crashes and freezes since criminal enterprises dlc (that i think they Will address at some point) but Rockstar is supporting the Game, they released a patch a few days ago addressing the recent events, saying that the game is in life support is inaccurate. PC players largely deserve E&E content wise (Cars, chameleon paints, new time trials, etc) and the graphic improvements as well (better fire, smoke, ray tracing, etc).

And from a business point of view Will make sense too...there are always new players to GTA 5 and online, first give the update for free to all players who already own the Game, then they can make a Big discount...Say 50% for the whole Game on RGL and Steam and they can sell GTA 5 standalone as well for like $10 bucks for a period of time, this Will increase the total of copies sold, SO they can show off in the next take2 earning call conference.

GTA 6 is coming at earliest last quarter of 2024 and most likely being delayed to 2025 on consoles, and later of pc, You have there at least 2 more years of support for GTA online 2023/24, Even with only 2 dlcs per year and smaller scale.

Edited February 7 by Crateman

[alex_suicune]

I just watched in Discord how my friend enters the game, and Steam suggested that he go to the regular one, or immediately to online, and if you click on the game, and then click on the properties, then a launch option appeared that allows you to select a regular game, or the ability to play right away online, maybe it was before, I don’t know, since I use RGL, maybe there are some slightest hints of E&E?

Edited February 7 by alex_suicune

[Max96]

9 minutes ago, alex_suicune said:

I just watched in Discord how my friend enters the game, and Steam suggested that he go to the regular one, or immediately to online, and if you click on the game, and then click on the properties, then a launch option appeared that allows you to select a regular game, or the ability to play right away online, maybe it was before, I don’t know, since I use RGL, maybe there are some slightest hints of E&E?

This thing exists for a long time, but I haven't figured out how it works because I get into main menu anyway 

Edited February 7 by Max96

[krotex]

31 minutes ago, Crateman said:

I disagree, yes the game has problems, glitches, modders, crashes and freezes since criminal enterprises dlc (that i think they Will address at some point) but Rockstar is supporting the Game, they released a patch a few days ago addressing the recent events, saying that the game is in life support is inaccurate.

The problem is that initially the game was not designed for so much content, for so many updates and for such long lifespan. It just collapses under its own weight. Spaghetti code became unusable for further use. Nothing can be done about it.

Let me remind you that the latest SECURITY update caused a lot of complaints about PERFORMANCE! Was it unexpected? I don't think so. Each fix or update of the game code brings new problems. It's just a fact.

I don't blame the developers, they are doing everything they can. But as far as I understand, their task is to keep this rusty barge afloat until the next version.

[Max96]

2 minutes ago, krotex said:

The problem is that initially the game was not designed for so much content, for so many updates and for such long lifespan. It just collapses under its own weight. Spaghetti code became unusable for further use. Nothing can be done about it.

Let me remind you that the latest SECURITY update caused a lot of complaints about PERFORMANCE! Was it unexpected? I don't think so. Each fix or update of the game code brings new problems. It's just a fact.

I don't blame the developers, they are doing everything they can. But as far as I understand, their task is to keep this rusty barge afloat until the next version.

Indeed, the code is a mess after all these years. E&E has its own problems too (I believe missing contacts (invisible exactly) in phone book aren't fixed yet).

[Moncastler]

1 hour ago, Crateman said:

I disagree, yes the game has problems, glitches, modders, crashes and freezes since criminal enterprises dlc (that i think they Will address at some point) but Rockstar is supporting the Game, they released a patch a few days ago addressing the recent events, saying that the game is in life support is inaccurate. PC players largely deserve E&E content wise (Cars, chameleon paints, new time trials, etc) and the graphic improvements as well (better fire, smoke, ray tracing, etc).

And from a business point of view Will make sense too...there are always new players to GTA 5 and online, first give the update for free to all players who already own the Game, then they can make a Big discount...Say 50% for the whole Game on RGL and Steam and they can sell GTA 5 standalone as well for like $10 bucks for a period of time, this Will increase the total of copies sold, SO they can show off in the next take2 earning call conference.

GTA 6 is coming at earliest last quarter of 2024 and most likely being delayed to 2025 on consoles, and later of pc, You have there at least 2 more years of support for GTA online 2023/24, Even with only 2 dlcs per year and smaller scale.

From a business standpoint it doesn't make much sense imo, you're just wasting resources that could go to GTA VI for what would be a very minor improvement for the average PC user. I don't think they also earn much from Shark Cards on PC for obvious reasons and I guess that the revenue coming from the PC version these days is mainly driven by modding and FiveM.

If they're releasing E&E on PC and they're going with the newer version (E&E) and legacy version (current PC version) kind of approach, all existing and future copies should have access to both versions for free, having to spend money for a negligible upgrade would be beyond ridiculous.

I wouldn't really say that GTA Online is in life support but we're not far from it, the code must be a mess after more than 10 years of active development across 7 different platforms. And, even if we assume that GTA 6 will come out in 2025, we have like 3-4 more GTAO DLCs that I would imagine will offer more or less the same amount of content as the latest ones... I honestly don't think it's worth for them and I would honestly much rather prefer to have GTA VI sooner and maybe day one on PC (please Rockstar, everyone in the industry is able to do this these days) rather than having an E&E update.

[krotex]

11 hours ago, Max96 said:

E&E has its own problems too (I believe missing contacts (invisible exactly) in phone book aren't fixed yet).

It's a little things. The big problems are that the E&E version cannot work with the existing one together.

Someone plays on a powerful computer with maximum settings and for him the E&E graphics will look even worse in places than today's version. Why does he need these "enhancements"?

Someone plays on a laptop with integrated graphics and his hardware just won't handle the new shadows/reflections. Why does he need these "enhancements"?

But someone loves everything fresh and new. And he will gladly install (or even buy) a new version and will be happy.

So how will we play together? Rockstar will be forced to create a new type of sessions "with EE" and "without EE"? And this in addition to the existing auto/free aim separation? I don't think they will do it. Either they force the update for everyone, or no one. Either option will cause a lot of outrage. Therefore, I think PC will not get new graphics, but only new content.