GTA V "E&E" PC Version Discussion

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

On 9/7/2022 at 6:49 PM, PisswasserEnjoyer said:

Could it be possible that they will abandon the old gen once they release the E&E for PC? People were wondering when they would abandon the old gen. This december update might be a good time do all this. My question however: Is the E&E stuff in the game files for PC? By this I mean can they just enable all the E&E stuff just like a tuneable or is PC currently on the same page as the older gens (just some code and thats it)? 

@_Celldweller do you mean this post? If so then what I speculated was that the winter DLC might be the last DLC that older gens will get and they will push the E&E update for PC to "message" people that PC and the newer consoles will be the platforms that will be getting updates after that point. So I think the last DLC for older consoles isn't this update, but the next one.

 

 

22 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

The Career Builder is only accessible if you wish to make an entire new character I think.

But if this is the case, then I think CESP and the builder don't contradict with each other, since CESP is more of a booster and Career Builder is just an incentive for people to restart online (don't know why anyone would ever want that). So I guess what I am trying to say is that the whole theory about E&E not releasing to PC because of CESP just isn't valid.

[Spider-Vice]

Well, R* did deprecate it for the new versions though, and didn't extend its availability to PS5 and Xbox Series. For people who are starting anew, the CESP will give them the same things the Executive/CEO career path will pretty much I believe.

 

21 minutes ago, PisswasserEnjoyer said:

the whole theory about E&E not releasing to PC because of CESP just isn't valid.

Huh, I don't think anyone implied this (unless I missed something), it was more that CESP being removed from the store could mean that they're prepping up an E&E PC release.

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

25 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Well, R* did deprecate it for the new versions though, and didn't extend its availability to PS5 and Xbox Series. For people who are starting anew, the CESP will give them the same things the Executive/CEO career path will pretty much I believe.

 

Huh, I don't think anyone implied this (unless I missed something), it was more that CESP being removed from the store could mean that they're prepping up an E&E PC release.

oh sorry i forgot to type that I wasn't sure if that theory was real or something that I made up. Apparently I am going crazy. 

[Spider-Vice]

Either someone named Stu decided to make a test branch for them a la the old "nicktestbranch", or something's brewing and it's actually supposed to mean "stub" in reference to the gen9 file stubs. I am cautiously betting on the first one as I don't think they'd need a new Steam branch (just internally) to push gen9 code to PC. Still interesting though. Hi Stu?  

 

EDIT: Talking to someone else about it, IF it's "E&E" PC related this could be the branch where they're gonna store the old Gen8 legacy code that has the stubs (empty gen9 files), whilst using the main qabeta/live branches for the new stuff. Hard to say.

I wonder if they're gonna let people switch between branches, e.g. if you have an older PC... With a warning that the old one will go out of support soon or something.

Edited September 13 by Spider-Vice

[Max96]

24 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Either someone named Stu decided to make a test branch for them a la the old "nicktestbranch", or something's brewing and it's actually supposed to mean "stub" in reference to the gen9 file stubs. I am cautiously betting on the first one as I don't think they'd need a new Steam branch (just internally) to push gen9 code to PC. Still interesting though. Hi Stu?  

 

EDIT: Talking to someone else about it, IF it's "E&E" PC related this could be the branch where they're gonna store the old Gen8 legacy code that has the stubs (empty gen9 files), whilst using the main qabeta/live branches for the new stuff. Hard to say.

I wonder if they're gonna let people switch between branches, e.g. if you have an older PC... With a warning that the old one will go out of support soon or something.

Perhaps they are creating a separate version so we can transfer progress between?

[Spider-Vice]

Well I assume they'd just use the regular branches (meaning qalive and qabeta), and then the final update would be put on "public" as usual. If anything this is a separate branch for testing gen9 code on Steam or a branch to store the legacy gen8 stubbed code.

[ACR]

Well possibility of two versions supports the theory that new version has to be purchased while old version would be supported but without new features and hsw and would either go out of support meaning no new content dlcs for it same way as old gen would eventually stop receiving updates. Not a good sign for those who were expecting to not pay anything as it's esentially the same game with minor improvements especially on pc. But if this is the way they intend to handle e&e it's perfect excuse for them to charge because pc players are getting improved version with graphical upgrades and dx12 albeit barely different but you gotta pay. 

This is all speculation of course but that wouldn't surprise me coming from R* and T2. 

Edited September 13 by ACR

[Spider-Vice]

15 minutes ago, ACR said:

Well possibility of two versions supports the theory that new version has to be purchased

Actually, stopping you right there because a new branch added to an existing app would not mean a new version has to be purchased, it's within the same app (meaning, your existing GTA V app on Steam would have a choice you could see in the Properties menu). A new, paid version would require a new separate app on Steam you'd have to purchase, so it would show in a completely separate unknown SteamDB entry, not this one.

 

At best, they let people choose between the legacy version and the new version using the Steam branches UI as mentioned before, or, alternatively they just update the regular version without a choice and this branch stuff is merely for development so they can maintain both at once for now, until it releases properly. If the changes on SteamDB are "E&E" related then it actually proves the opposite, that we don't need to pay, as they're reusing the same GTA V app everyone already owns. 

 

Example of how you switch branches in existing games:

[ACR]

I don't understand coding and stuff , i was just speculating as concerned stingy GTAO enjoyer. If those branches support opposite outcome that's great but we still barely know anything about e&e for pc apart from that it's probably coming some day. 

[Spider-Vice]

I respect your concerns of course  Just pointing out that in this case they seem to be using the current GTA V app for these developments, so if it is "E&E" related it's just gonna be an update. It would be very hard to justify making people pay for this kind of update on PC IMO.

[mute!]

EA announced they will be using a kernel level anti cheat on pc for its upcoming fifa title. I'm going to assume this will become the norm with all big title mp games and that if e&e is a thing that Rockstar bothered to bring something similar to this version of the game. If not then for gta 6.

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

16 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

Either someone named Stu decided to make a test branch for them a la the old "nicktestbranch", or something's brewing and it's actually supposed to mean "stub" in reference to the gen9 file stubs. I am cautiously betting on the first one as I don't think they'd need a new Steam branch (just internally) to push gen9 code to PC. Still interesting though. Hi Stu? /cdn-cgi/mirage/bc9a52277ace6a7c98549df4a8c5a94a1dacc55c-1663128213-1800/1280/https://gtaforums.com/uploads/emoticons/default_tounge.gif 

 

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EDIT: Talking to someone else about it, IF it's "E&E" PC related this could be the branch where they're gonna store the old Gen8 legacy code that has the stubs (empty gen9 files), whilst using the main qabeta/live branches for the new stuff. Hard to say.

I wonder if they're gonna let people switch between branches, e.g. if you have an older PC... With a warning that the old one will go out of support soon or something.

This probably isn't the case but, perhaps "stu" as in "september update" ?

[Spider-Vice]

Actually, considering they named the RDR2 update "tmu", title maintenance update, *something* title update is definitely not a bad guess...

 

It could be that STU is still for a bug fix version of the current game and they're instead gonna start using qabeta and qalive for the "E&E" stuff. We shall see but "stu" meaning title update is a good shout.

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

I sure do hope so, but it would be really random to bring such an update at this time tbh, however new content is always welcome

And I guess we will see if its really gonna happen soon as october is only 2 weeks away. 

 

EDIT: As far as i believe they did extend the actual event week, could this be the reason why they did it? So that they can prep E&E for PC perhaps?

Edited September 14 by PisswasserEnjoyer

[Max96]

4 hours ago, PisswasserEnjoyer said:

This probably isn't the case but, perhaps "stu" as in "september update" ?

I don't think so, another DLC is going to be released in December I guess, during September-December they may release a small patch to fix something and there's no point to make a whole new branch for it.

[pinkpanther69]

So it won't drop before December then

[dieseltech20]

STU=Shut Them Up.

[Matushka]

Man, hoping for it to drop some time soon.

Would love some actual raytacing, none of that NVE or Quant stuff which tanks your FPS to 30 even on a good rig, just be-f*cking-cause (like seriously, I only want the lighting, don't need none of your 4k textures)

I mean yeah it looks good bro, but sheesh I didn't need another toaster oven in my house.

 

 

[boomboom5950]

12 hours ago, mute! said:

EA announced they will be using a kernel level anti cheat on pc for its upcoming fifa title. I'm going to assume this will become the norm with all big title mp games and that if e&e is a thing that Rockstar bothered to bring something similar to this version of the game. If not then for gta 6.

that would be great. thats the same kind of anit cheat valorant uses and while its controversial, it definitley works. I never saw any cheater on valorant and when a cheater is detected the match gets cancelled right away. But if this becomes the norm cheats will just find a way around it and anti cheats will get more and more intrusive

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

Honestly, the only things i want from E&E are the DoF effects (or motion blur, dunno they kinda same to me) when going fast and the Hao Cars. Saying this also made me realize something: is there anything significant other than the DoF effect, Hao cars and ray tracing ? I'm not counting Career Builder since that doesn't "add" new content, its just being rebranded/reused/tidied up (idk, the point is the stuff you get from Career Builder isnt new) .

And regarding the cheating subject: I would actually go as far to say that Rockstar does genuinely profit from cheating. Now you can make tons of arguments against this but what i want to bring into perspective is that because people use cheats, Rockstar increases the prices (basically inflation) of stuff and therefore legitimate players have to grind even more/ or buy shark cards which is in favor of Rockstar. You CAN say "dude its cheating, basically unlimited money, why would rockstar increase prices if your money is basically infinite, it wouldn't matter, it would only hurt legit players" BUT it is also important to know how the cheating scene works. Now im not a cheater, nor will I explain how cheating works, but i have been in several cases where i witnessed how the stuff happened and i will only say that even getting 10 million from a cheater dropping you money takes a lot of time. Not a lot, but more than enough for an average gta player to get bored after 20-30 million. And this amount of money you can easily spend on one update and then you are broke again. So UNLESS you are the cheater yourself or used cheats before that gave insane amounts of money in a short duration, money still matters even if you get money from a cheater. Therefore Rockstar increasing the prices because of cheating causes players inclined to get money from cheaters to spend their money quickly while causing legitimate players to spend more money on shark cards. And they profit from this. Im not saying R* is a bad guy no, but it just works for them. Thats why i would understand if Rockstar never cared about cheaters (so far thats the case). As for godmode, caging players and other types of griefing, thats basically an asshole thing to do and there is no excuse so that should be fixed no matter what.

Edited September 14 by PisswasserEnjoyer

[ACR]

24 minutes ago, PisswasserEnjoyer said:

Honestly, the only things i want from E&E are the DoF effects (or motion blur, dunno they kinda same to me) when going fast and the Hao Cars. Saying this also made me realize something: is there anything significant other than the DoF effect, Hao cars and ray tracing ? I'm not counting Career Builder since that doesn't "add" new content, its just being rebranded/reused/tidied up (idk, the point is the stuff you get from Career Builder isnt new) .
 

There are new smoke effects when firing guns, somewhat better fire effects and glass shards, breaking glass i think also looks improved.

[Wurmy]

14 hours ago, mute! said:

EA announced they will be using a kernel level anti cheat on pc for its upcoming fifa title. I'm going to assume this will become the norm with all big title mp games and that if e&e is a thing that Rockstar bothered to bring something similar to this version of the game. If not then for gta 6.

 

1 hour ago, boomboom5950 said:

that would be great. thats the same kind of anit cheat valorant uses and while its controversial, it definitley works. I never saw any cheater on valorant and when a cheater is detected the match gets cancelled right away. But if this becomes the norm cheats will just find a way around it and anti cheats will get more and more intrusive

 

Kernel level anti cheats are the norm currently. The two biggest ones Easy Anti Cheat and Battleye operate as kernel level anti cheats. Kernel level isn't some magical fix that will make things better. Even the Valorant one can be bypassed.

Rockstar will never ever implement a good anti cheat, because that requires constant work and updates to stay on top of things. That's simply not something Rockstar has shown any interest in doing so for their pc games.

[Spider-Vice]

For R* or any others, anti cheat maintenance is actually a lot harder than it seems because people will always be trying to exploit it in real time, and finding actual exploits that need to be constantly responded to. Combating cheating in online games, even with super low-level kernel solutions (which in some cases are actually too intrusive as this means it can read literally everything that passes through your machine and hypothetically send it somewhere, or cause performance issues), is literally a cat and mouse situation.

[RyuNova]

5 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

For R* or any others, anti cheat maintenance is actually a lot harder than it seems because people will always be trying to exploit it in real time

 

I disagree when you have entire communities obsessed with posting every little exploit they find in the vain hope they can scream "FOUNDER!" and get in someone's Youtube video. I don't think there has ever been a game where its community willingly does all the bug testing and finding glitches/exploits for them for free. All R* needs to do is follow Youtube channels who will give a very detailed, step-by-step tutorial on how exactly the glitch is done.

 

I have said before that if R* actually cared about Anti-Cheat they would type "GTA Online money glitch" or whatever into Youtube, watch the top videos, note down all the names and then mass ban them.

Edited September 15 by RyuNova

[boomboom5950]

8 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

I disagree when you have entire communities obsessed with posting every little exploit they find in the vain hope they can scream "FOUNDER!" and get in someone's Youtube video. I don't think there has ever been a game where its community willingly does all the bug testing and finding glitches/exploits for them for free. All R* needs to do is follow Youtube channels who will give a very detailed, step-by-step tutorial on how exactly the glitch is done.

 

I have said before that if R* actually cared about Anti-Cheat they would type "GTA Online money glitch" or whatever into Youtube, watch the top videos, note down all the names and then mass ban them.

smh this is not the point. Banning people for money glitches is NOT what rockstar should focus on.

Maybe making the game playable in public lobbies without being teleported to someones house or blown up or caged is slightly more important dont you think??

[RyuNova]

7 hours ago, boomboom5950 said:

Maybe making the game playable in public lobbies without being teleported to someones house or blown up or caged is slightly more important dont you think??

 

To players? Perhaps. To R*? No. Consume product, get excited for next product. Play on consoles if it bothers you so much, or Invite Only.

[boomboom5950]

11 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

To players? Perhaps. To R*? No. Consume product, get excited for next product. Play on consoles if it bothers you so much, or Invite Only.

well im not going to waste my time grinding for money on pc when i cant even enjoy it in public lobbies. im not going to lie all my money on pc is cheated but on console im still a legit player because im willing to put the time to grind when i can actually enjoy it

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

So now that the event week has no cars once again, im still assuming that E&E is gonna come right after Soft Drink events are over and maybe Kanjo comes with E&E. Any more updates happening to those E&E files lately? If there are this might support my theory.

[Max96]

4 hours ago, PisswasserEnjoyer said:

So now that the event week has no cars once again, im still assuming that E&E is gonna come right after Soft Drink events are over and maybe Kanjo comes with E&E. Any more updates happening to those E&E files lately? If there are this might support my theory.

What's your theory about btw?
And another hint: if you see event week extended by two weeks, this may be it too.

[PisswasserEnjoyer]

3 hours ago, Max96 said:

What's your theory about btw?
And another hint: if you see event week extended by two weeks, this may be it too.

The theory is basically that E&E will be pushed sometime in this month, and not with the winter update. The reason for this is that the files getting updated (those stu files or whatever) plus the event weeks getting extended for the second time. So my guess/theory is that E&E will come out after the soft drink stuff is over and the reason why they are extending the event weeks is that they are prepping E&E's stuff for release. But this is purely a speculation, im not a dataminer or anything, just a feeling. And kanjo will prolly come as the same time as E&E

Edited Friday at 02:58 PM by PisswasserEnjoyer