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GTA V "E&E" PC Version Discussion


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ZaxxerDog

The later this drops the better and that might indicate them putting the work in. PC has some pretty significant issues and it would be beneficial for their new schtick (the worthless subscription service) to fix the game up properly. And whatever you might think on how lazy E&E is it's pretty evident that there was some effort put into that port, it's essentially an updated codebase and "updated" is what PC needs too.

 

They should at least ship a new API in DX12 or Vulkan, separate the single player and online clients and do something major against modding when it comes to the online client.

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gamerMK2
32 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

And i start to get the feeling, that we really have to pay for it on PC, and we won't get it for free.

I don't mind paying, I just hate waiting any longer.

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27 minutes ago, ZaxxerDog said:

The later this drops the better and that might indicate them putting the work in. PC has some pretty significant issues and it would be beneficial for their new schtick (the worthless subscription service) to fix the game up properly. And whatever you might think on how lazy E&E is it's pretty evident that there was some effort put into that port, it's essentially an updated codebase and "updated" is what PC needs too.

 

They should at least ship a new API in DX12 or Vulkan, separate the single player and online clients and do something major against modding when it comes to the online client.

Because the game is peer to peer based. they can't do anything against modding, but i agree about the DX12 and Vulkan part.

 

And imagine how awesome it would be, if the Self Radio would use another core/thread than it currently does, i hope they make it spread the work across several cpu cores, currently it just maxes out one core.

 

Self Radio makes my 360mm watercooler (ASUS Ryujin) go into vacuum cleaner 100% mode.

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9 minutes ago, Mexicola9302 said:

Because the game is peer to peer based. they can't do anything against modding, but i agree about the DX12 and Vulkan part.

 

I don't think that's true. Sure, peer to peer sucks but if story mode and online would be separate then that would open them new ways in locking down the online portion. For example they could ban more aggressively for sure but there are other methods they could apply more freely too. This is going to be a weird example but like if they released a client side update every single day then modding would cease to exist, no matter the game's peer to peer nature.

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A daily update will never happen, they are too f*cking lazy at R*.

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ambi3nt

Yes, modding in story mode for a legal copy of a game would stop as it works now. Cheating in online? Nope. Those cheat menus barely get affected by client updates, they don't work like sp mods.

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Spider-Vice
11 hours ago, videotech_ said:

Little odd why GTA+ is appearing on the RGL. Got to be a mistake, right? I find it even more odd the fact the subtitle isn't from the newswire. Someone has manually added this in. 

 

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It seems to me they can mark articles for publishing on the Launcher. Someone likely made a mistake and put the GTA+ article there. PC doesn't have GTA+ or any text entries for it, despite having most other "E&E" things now, so I don't think it's coming and it seems like a mistake that it's showing.

 

1 hour ago, Kiyone_Alien_Cop said:

Perhaps R* is having some difficulties porting E&E content to PC because of the company's new work policies.

Idk what you're trying to get at, but that's irrelevant especially for something that's already half done (it's on console and there's native PC support in the new renderer anyway). Also, motivated devs working in better conditions can do things a lot faster than devs who are being enslaved. :)

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4 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

It seems to me they can mark articles for publishing on the Launcher. Someone likely made a mistake and put the GTA+ article there. PC doesn't have GTA+ or any text entries for it, despite having most other "E&E" things now, so I don't think it's coming and it seems like a mistake that it's showing.

It's definitely coming to PC, tho. Whether we like it not. Some of the GTA+ job descriptions from a few months back indicated they'd be supporting the PC market. December is seeming more likely for a release if they intend to discontinue support for last-gen.

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Imagine thinking that the predatory subscription service is not coming to PC, I'd like to be that naive and innocent again. That sh*t might arrive before RTX lol.

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2 hours ago, Mexicola9302 said:

They probably got some deal with Microsoft and SONY, and that is why we didn't get E&E yet. I don't think we get it before December 2022 or March 2023.

 

And i start to get the feeling, that we really have to pay for it on PC, and we won't get it for free.

Eh, at this point I don't think it is coming at all. But if it does there's no way in hell I would pay for it. Especially with GTA 6 around the corner.

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gamerMK2
9 hours ago, mute! said:

Especially with GTA 6 around the corner.

But it's not.

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Maybe if we say how much we love GTA+ and that we will totally buy it on PC will make them release it faster because money.

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With this latest update R* Has added some interesting stats to the PC version of the game..... Maybe its coming sooner than we think.

 

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Dunno if it was mentioned before, but Hao's garage door doesn't open no more on PC.

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The flag should tell you everything you need to know though. Some data is just the same among all branches of the game, that flag makes it so it's only used by the gen9 builds. The PS4 and Xbox One stats data files probably also have that, it's just unused.

 

I do think it's coming to PC as I've said many times before but I'm not sure it's an indicator. :p 

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1 hour ago, Spider-Vice said:

The flag should tell you everything you need to know though. Some data is just the same among all branches of the game, that flag makes it so it's only used by the gen9 builds. The PS4 and Xbox One stats data files probably also have that, it's just unused.

 

I do think it's coming to PC as I've said many times before but I'm not sure it's an indicator. :p 

so does this mean that if lets say they add HSW and e&e as a whole to pc that the "exclusives" like the arbiter gt, cyclone 2, s95 etc. will not be on PC or blocked without the use of mods?

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No, PC would become "Gen9" too, like PC atm is "ng" (the name R* used for the last gen consoles). At least I hope they don't just half-upgrade PC and leave console exclusive content. :p 

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5 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

No, PC would become "Gen9" too

I would prefer gen9+ with rtx reflections.

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1 hour ago, gamerMK2 said:

I would prefer gen9+ with rtx reflections.

It doesn't matter what they call it, as long as we get it at some point.

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23 hours ago, Mexicola9302 said:

It doesn't matter what they call it, as long as we get it at some point.

duude, i just want newer, better optimized engine revision

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On 8/2/2022 at 8:03 AM, gamerMK2 said:

I would prefer gen9+ with rtx reflections.

Well yeah I'm talking about internal branch names lol.

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On 8/2/2022 at 8:03 AM, gamerMK2 said:

I would prefer gen9+ with rtx reflections.

I very much doubt getting RTX reflections, at least not to the extent that people imagine them to be, this game is way too complex for such thing.

 

Now, had there been some sort of bareboned, very simple, very limited raytraced reflection implemented on console, I'd say there would he a chance, but I don't think so.

 

I think the reference to it is them just merely upgrading RAGE to support this feature, probably for the next title.

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Really hope Rockstar is pushing the PC update back in order to address the problems going on with players cheating in the game and harassing other people like content creators. Would be even cooler if they plan to implement NVIDIA DLSS and FSR 2.0 support.

 

It's also very important for Rockstar to separate E&E and the current PC versions to make sure the new version doesn't interfere years of modding work from creators. As Spider-Vice has said many, many times, Rockstar has changed the game's renderer, thus changing the internal game formats with a hybrid of RDR2's and GTAV's code. This would instantly break every mod, so hopefully they will be very sensible about this. 

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4 hours ago, The_Ghost said:

I very much doubt getting RTX reflections, at least not to the extent that people imagine them to be, this game is way too complex for such thing.

 

Now, had there been some sort of bareboned, very simple, very limited raytraced reflection implemented on console, I'd say there would he a chance, but I don't think so.

 

I think the reference to it is them just merely upgrading RAGE to support this feature, probably for the next title.

well games like cyberpunk and watch dogs legion had ray tracing reflections and they looked great, i dont see why gta 5 cant get them especially if it is in the files already

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3 hours ago, boomboom5950 said:

well games like cyberpunk and watch dogs legion had ray tracing reflections and they looked great, i dont see why gta 5 cant get them especially if it is in the files already

Yes, that's what I am saying, they had them on consoles too, GTA doesn't, and unless they come back to implement them (doubtful), I don't see them putting them on PC.

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11 minutes ago, The_Ghost said:

Yes, that's what I am saying, they had them on consoles too, GTA doesn't, and unless they come back to implement them (doubtful), I don't see them putting them on PC.

i dont think cyberpunk uses rt reflection on console, watch dogs does but not cyberpunk. Plus its already in the game files

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I've expected the addition of career builder for rest of the platforms, I think new players must have a "starter pack" nowdays. Does it present in PC files btw?

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You know what gen9 needs? Discord Rich Presence.

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I was playing Lowrider Envy mission yesterday (on PC), in the end you have to deliver Chino to the lockup (Hao's garage now) and I feel like I've seen graffiti inside which I haven't seen before. Or I may be wrong...

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On 8/1/2022 at 10:49 PM, MinistryOfMagic said:

With this latest update R* Has added some interesting stats to the PC version of the game..... Maybe its coming sooner than we think.

 

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By the way, is that everything new after update or there's something else?

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