MartySkater11 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) What's up everybody! Some time ago I've added a post about Big Smoke's betrayal. I've realized that throughout the game there are many threads that might be difficult to notice. Therefore I wanted to know what you think and if you agree with guys that are making these videos. Then a thought striked me: what about Lance Vance? Unfortunately I didn't find anything related on TheProfessional's youtube channel. Do you know whether he released something on this topic? Anyway, few minutes ago I've watched a video called "WHY LANCE BETRAYS TOMMY VERCETTI?" or something. What was really puzzling me is fact that by summarizing this video, it turns out that Vance cooperated with Sonny Forelli much earlier than I thought. What do you think, guys? Edited March 21 by MartySkater11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam2150AD Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Because this is Vice City! This is business! FewPoleCat42, MartySkater11 and Comrade Monke 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Lance was never the sharpest tool in Tommy's shed, neither Vic's. He was always prone to rush into decisions without thinking, and he was also getting upset with people reminding him of that. He was a narcissist, always feeling on the right side and unable to see how badly he constantly messed things up. Despite that, I don't think either of the Vice City protagonists would have betrayed him on their own. Vic because it was his brother, and they were initially together earning money for their other brother's medical expenses. And Tommy because, even if he obviously didn't know Lance as well as Vic, saw him as loyal. He helped him take over Diaz, despite Lance messing up by wanting to revenge Vic earlier than intended. But Lance's incompetence at being Tommy's second man only worsened his obsession with the idea people were constantly patronizing him, to the point it drove him into the wrong side. Lance was never the strongest guy in any of the gangs he took part. Diaz's, Vic's, Tommy's, you name it. He could have never been a potential ally to someone as powerful as Sonny Forelli. Sonny knew very well Tommy was doing businesses behind his back, and Tommy was unwilling to pay the cut he believed he was owed, so he needed someone close to Tommy who could rat him out. Sonny saw Lance being hungry for more and probably promised him a better treatment and a bigger share of participation on the business in exchange of the details of Tommy's plans. But he most likely would have got him killed ASAP if they succeeded taking over Tommy's empire. Sonny wasn't stupid; Lance ratted Tommy out in the end, and nobody likes snitches, even if they can be useful to you. Xane_MM, VenusianDream, Evil empire and 4 others 6 1 Did you see the frightened ones? Did you hear the falling bombs? Did you ever wonder... ...why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath a clear blue sky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartySkater11 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 On 3/24/2022 at 12:23 PM, Nico said: Lance was never the sharpest tool in Tommy's shed, neither Vic's. He was always prone to rush into decisions without thinking, and he was also getting upset with people reminding him of that. He was a narcissist, always feeling on the right side and unable to see how badly he constantly messed things up. Despite that, I don't think either of the Vice City protagonists would have betrayed him on their own. Vic because it was his brother, and they were initially together earning money for their other brother's medical expenses. And Tommy because, even if he obviously didn't know Lance as well as Vic, saw him as loyal. He helped him take over Diaz, despite Lance messing up by wanting to revenge Vic earlier than intended. But Lance's incompetence at being Tommy's second man only worsened his obsession with the idea people were constantly patronizing him, to the point it drove him into the wrong side. Lance was never the strongest guy in any of the gangs he took part. Diaz's, Vic's, Tommy's, you name it. He could have never been a potential ally to someone as powerful as Sonny Forelli. Sonny knew very well Tommy was doing businesses behind his back, and Tommy was unwilling to pay the cut he believed he was owed, so he needed someone close to Tommy who could rat him out. Sonny saw Lance being hungry for more and probably promised him a better treatment and a bigger share of participation on the business in exchange of the details of Tommy's plans. But he most likely would have got him killed ASAP if they succeeded taking over Tommy's empire. Sonny wasn't stupid; Lance ratted Tommy out in the end, and nobody likes snitches, even if they can be useful to you. Wow, very well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radz Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) Lance never had quality leadership skills as Tommy to start something from scratch, yet he wanted to become successful like Tommy. He always created trouble and mess for Tommy. He tried to betray tommy to take over business because he knew he couldn't start an empire like this on his own. So best for him was to ditch tommy and work under Sonny in Vice City. Edited March 27 by Radz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycek Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) I always perceived the betrayal took the place shortly after the intro of the game. It happened either before or shortly after The Party and Sonny ordered Lance to keep Tommy close. Notice how in the Back Alley Brawl Lance says "I'll be watching you Tommy" despite not being introduced in any way? Sure You may say that Colonel said Tommy's name when setting up the deal, but for me it always seemed fishy. Especially that Lance always knew where Tommy was, when he could offer his help. Sonny wanted Lance to know what was going on in Vice ("Well, I've heard you been busy all right. Busy killing drug barons. Busy taking over. Don't forget about us, Tommy. 'cause I can assure you, I ain't forgetting about you.") and when Tommy was close to taking over whole city to himself, Sonny stood up to take over everything. Lance feeling safe, with Sonny being around, uncovered all his cards, which he was holding for a long time. And why it happened? Lance felt very likely that Sonny with powerful family in LC was safer bet than one goon, straight out of the joint. He thought that very likely Sonny will let him keep the operation in Vice, after the take over, making him very rich and powerful man. Edited April 16 by Tycek universetwisters and DeltaV20 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norderito Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 because business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle F Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 He was more than likely bribed by Sonny and offered a huge cash advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, Kyle F said: He was more than likely bribed by Sonny and offered a huge cash advance. But how would Sonny have known Lance was working with Tommy and in what capacity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle F Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 12 hours ago, universetwisters said: But how would Sonny have known Lance was working with Tommy and in what capacity? Put it into the perspective of this: Sonny likely had tabs on Tommy, people keeping an eye on him and his progress. How else would he have known to call Tommy asking about his money? Lance's brother was killed in that deal bust, remember? Lance probably had some 'secret' dealings or conversations with various 'people' who probably reported back to Sonny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indovercetti Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Here's my theory" Vic Vance in the first cutscene doesn't look like like Vic From VCS. It was probably someone else, given that his body language seems quite different Tommy was a pawn for Sonny, He set up Tommy in a debt trap so that he can take over the city and then he'll get him killed thus he'll become a kingpin of VC Lance was included in this plan since the beginning to report back to sonny on who he is meeting etc. Diaz was the kingpin of the drugs thus lance used a fake name of quentin It was time when Tommy was getting closer to Lance, Lance was ordered by Sonny to kill him so that he will not spill the bean In a close bond between Tommy & Diaz, He might have revealed that Lance was the one who set him up. Thus Lance was a snitch since the first encounter Further my theory(assumption) - Vic Vance is kidnapped by Sonny - He's using that to control Lance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjonas9385 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Lance never did quality leadership but always tried to get his reward before tommy, It was his greediness which killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Featherstone Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 On 3/24/2022 at 11:23 AM, Nico said: Lance was never the sharpest tool in Tommy's shed, neither Vic's. He was always prone to rush into decisions without thinking, and he was also getting upset with people reminding him of that. He was a narcissist, always feeling on the right side and unable to see how badly he constantly messed things up. Despite that, I don't think either of the Vice City protagonists would have betrayed him on their own. Vic because it was his brother, and they were initially together earning money for their other brother's medical expenses. And Tommy because, even if he obviously didn't know Lance as well as Vic, saw him as loyal. He helped him take over Diaz, despite Lance messing up by wanting to revenge Vic earlier than intended. But Lance's incompetence at being Tommy's second man only worsened his obsession with the idea people were constantly patronizing him, to the point it drove him into the wrong side. Lance was never the strongest guy in any of the gangs he took part. Diaz's, Vic's, Tommy's, you name it. He could have never been a potential ally to someone as powerful as Sonny Forelli. Sonny knew very well Tommy was doing businesses behind his back, and Tommy was unwilling to pay the cut he believed he was owed, so he needed someone close to Tommy who could rat him out. Sonny saw Lance being hungry for more and probably promised him a better treatment and a bigger share of participation on the business in exchange of the details of Tommy's plans. But he most likely would have got him killed ASAP if they succeeded taking over Tommy's empire. Sonny wasn't stupid; Lance ratted Tommy out in the end, and nobody likes snitches, even if they can be useful to you. Excellent post, as you say, Sonny would have Lance dead in a matter of days after taking over Tommy's empire - once a snitch, always a snitch, and as they say, snitches get stitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Am I the only one that thinks Lance was probably a Forelli agent/collaborator from the very start? He somehow knows Tommy's name, he spies on him and knows his location every time and Sonny is somehow aware of all of Tommy's activities even tho no Forelli member is in Vice City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adventuresurpr Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 (edited) On 3/21/2022 at 12:11 AM, MartySkater11 said: What's up everybody! Some time ago I've added a post about Big Smoke's betrayal. I've realized that throughout the game there are many threads that might be difficult to notice. Therefore I wanted to know what you think and if you agree with guys that are making these videos. Then a thought striked me: what about Lance Vance? Unfortunately I didn't find anything related on TheProfessional's youtube channel. Do you know whether he released something on this topic? Anyway, few minutes ago I've watched a video called "WHY LANCE BETRAYS TOMMY VERCETTI?" or something. What was really puzzling me is fact that by summarizing this video, it turns out that Vance cooperated with Sonny Forelli much earlier than I thought. What do you think, guys? Jumble answers Neither Vic nor Lance were ever the brightest tools in Tommy's toolbox. He was always prone to making snap judgments without giving them much thought, and he was becoming angry when people reminded him of this. He was a narcissist who could never understand how much he continually screwed things up but always Jumble Solver game felt like he was in the right. Even yet, I don't believe that any of the Vice City heroes would have betrayed him on their own. Vic since it was his brother and the two of them had originally been working together to raise money for their other brother's medical bills. And Tommy, who viewed Lance as loyal despite the fact that he definitely knew Lance less well than Vic. Despite Lance making a mistake by trying to avenge Vic earlier, he assisted him in taking control of Diaz. Edited October 12 by adventuresurpr update the content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rkv2 Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Because tommy didnt give him a fair slice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Britain Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Its really boils down to one thing, when they gaged those cops in the lock-up, Tommy was quick to conclude that the new uniform was tight around the crotch while Lance was pretty comfortable in them. His primal instincts kicked in as he got a little self conscious about his winkie-dinkie. GhettoJesus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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