Russia invades Ukraine

[Mexicola9302]

11 hours ago, Darth Absentis said:

At this moment, except for the horrific events that would unfold if they did use one, i'd almost be tempted to wish for Russia being stupid enough to use a nuke. 

 

Then NATO can go and prove their worth, invade Russia and/or ask pretty much for Putins head to be put on trial so this sh*tstick situation is done for and more sensible Russians can retreat the current russian force currently still in Ukraine.

 

Or option B, then NATO can show it has no balls and just allow something like a smaller nuke being used to just happen without much consequences and then be surprised when in a few years or so, someone decides to blow up something else with an other nuke and wonder where the deterrent went to for using such things.

 

Good news though, i do actually not think either Russia or NATO are stupid enough to use nukes on Ukraine soil, let alone Russia using it on NATO soil and NATO using it on Russian soil, unless either party gets invaded and are nearly defeated and neither are situations we are currently even close of reaching.

Omg you would almost wish they would use a nuke? You know what would happen, the US, UK, France maybe China would use nukes too, then russia again, and so on at the end everything is dead, nuclear radiated or otherwise f*cked up. It would be the end of the world. Not only Europe would be nuked but the whole world. A real world war 3 that barely anyone survives.

 

If russia wouldn't have nukes, other countries armies would have already invaded ukraine too, but to help defend it.

 

Me personaly i wouldn't care if a WW3 happens, my life is pretty sh*tty, but i wouldn't want happy ppl to die in WW3.

Edited May 3, 2022 by Mexicola9302

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11 hours ago, Darth Absentis said:

Or option B, then NATO can show it has no balls and just allow something like a smaller nuke being used to just happen without much consequences and then be surprised when in a few years or so, someone decides to blow up something else with an other nuke and wonder where the deterrent went to for using such things.

The use of nuclear weapons is still unlikely at this point but you're right about how just bringing them into the equation changes NATO's calculus, and it's not in Russia's favor.

 

Ideally Russia would want Ukraine isolated with at most token support from the West. To that effect they've been trying to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt about what's actually going on there (with the evergreen "Nazi" narrative, for example), peddled the false equivalency of their actions now to what someone else did somewhere else in some more or less distant past (run-of-the-mill whataboutism, "nothing to see here"), and finally, threatening the purported terrible consequences of provoking Russia's ire (the Germans will get cold, etc.). While this has enjoyed limited success (pictures of the war speak for themselves, while the Ukrainians excel at communicating and countering these claims), at least it was somewhat consistent, and all the useful idiots could be mobilized around common talking points.

 

By comparison, Russia's new strategy (if it can even be considered as such in the first place, as it lacks consistency) just reeks of desperation, and the Russians are effectively undoing themselves. If the constant reminders that they still have nuclear weapons and threatening to use them not just against Ukraine but also other countries are to be taken as credible, it serves to completely counter their claim that this was only ever about some "Nazis" in Ukraine, and further convinces NATO that there is no choice as to whether to get involved or not but only the question of when. It then logically follows that the best time to take action is now, while Russia is weakening itself with its entanglement in Ukraine, and before they can regain any strength.

 

It's been apparent for some time Russia can't win militarily in Ukraine. Since then, their best chance to minimize the damage would be to influence the public opinion abroad, turning it doubtful and indifferent, so that the world eventually loses interest in the frozen conflict the war would turn into, and then work from there to make themselves useful for the West (for example with regard to Iran), winning a seat at the table again, and going back to business as usual.

 

Instead, what they're doing now makes the only viable exit scenario they have increasingly beyond reach, with their propaganda attacking a whole bunch of other countries: the Swedes (about to join NATO) are the new Nazis, with the children's book writer Astrid Lindgren a prime example; the UK is just a "small island" and all it'll take is one nuclear missile to sink it completely, says a TV host; Germany needs de-Nazification again, says the former "liberal-leaning" President and Prime Minister Medvedev, etc. The viciousness of all this feels like a cover for helplessness and the realization that the end is near.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Everyone's a Nazi, apparently. Aside from Russians, of course. It's probably just a weird coincidence that there's like, more than 50 well known Neo-Nazi organizations operating out of Russia.

[KiTTYReCkless]

@Darth. I have a 3D printer and been working on lowers to arm my marry band of raiders for the coming apocalypse. I have real world survival experience from the years I spent on the streets. I also know my way around guns and I know some crazy cats in Vermont that have enough ammo to arm a 3rd world malitia. When world war 3 pops off, people like me will run the cities Can't f*cking wait

Edited May 3, 2022 by KiTTYReCkless

[Pete4000uk]

18 hours ago, OREOBOREALIS said:

I think Putin started this war because he is about to die old sick men who wants to do big thing before he passes and to became big name in history thats remembered hundreds of years

after his death. 

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He talks about ukrainians being nazi and yeah sure theres some nazi trash in ukrainian forces, but at same time Putin himself has as much if not more nazis in russian forces. Russia is very well known to be full of neo nazis and such trash and russia is one of the most racist countries in world.

https://theconversation.com/putins-fascists-the-russian-states-long-history-of-cultivating-homegrown-neo-nazis-178535

https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagners-rusich-neo-nazi-attack-unit-hints-its-going-back-into-ukraine-undercover

Picture literally of Putin supporting russian neo nazis in russia:

 

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Russian Nazis

 

Putin is 2 faced. Talks about nazis in ukraine but at same time is supported by nazis himself in russia. Strange men.

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I think there is a lot to that. He knows it's now or never.

 

 

[Darth Absentis]

17 hours ago, KiTTYReCkless said:

@Darth. I have a 3D printer and been working on lowers to arm my marry band of raiders for the coming apocalypse. I have real world survival experience from the years I spent on the streets. I also know my way around guns and I know some crazy cats in Vermont that have enough ammo to arm a 3rd world malitia. When world war 3 pops off, people like me will run the cities Can't f*cking wait

I'd hope to either steal or buy a horse in time and then be on my way to Denmark. Brussels is way to close for comfort to me in such a case

[ArmanCan]

 

I know that it's open for discussions in many aspects but if it's true.. than.. you should watch this video...

[Craigsters]

 

Russian warship Admiral Makarov ‘on fire after being hit by Ukrainian missile’   <-- independent.co.uk

[Pete4000uk]

Haha another ship sunk! 

 

Hope the Russians start getting hammered again soon

[ArmanCan]

2 hours ago, Craigsters said:

 

Russian warship Admiral Makarov ‘on fire after being hit by Ukrainian missile’   <-- independent.co.uk

 

"Makarov" HOW IRONIC!! 

 

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

On 5/5/2022 at 4:48 PM, davidcop said:

It is simply horrible and unacceptable to start a war in the 21st century. I believe that Ukraine will win and the whole world now supports Ukraine. Putin has completely lost his mind. 

While I am hopeful Ukraine will prevail it's not 100% certain, The only way Ukraine will be able to survive this war is if the U.S and other allies keep providing arms to Ukraine if for some reason they're not able to provide weapons any longer (which I doubt will ever happen but you never know) Ukraine will surly fall or if Russia is able to entice one of their allies to join in the fight which would be a death blow unless U.S and other NATO countries then decide to join in the fight if China, Belarus or other Russian allies invade.

 

I have a feeling once Putin realize that he is not going to win Belarus will eventually invade according to numerous reports Belarus troops are preparing but this is all unconfirmed

 

6 hours ago, Craigsters said:

Spoiler

 

Russian warship Admiral Makarov ‘on fire after being hit by Ukrainian missile’   <-- independent.co.uk

According to a credible source within the U.S Defense Dept, U.S Intelligence (CIA) Have been giving Ukraine Military Inteligence the wearabouts of Russian Navy Patrol and War Ships in the black sea which is how they've been able to hit the first Battleship they sunk, then two patrol boats just the other day and then now the attack on the Makarov today using Neptune Anti-Ship missiles.

 

There's also reports that the CIA has been giving Ukraine Military locations of Russian Generals which is how so many have been killed but U.S Defense Dept has denied it of course but they have too as U.S Law forbade the sanctioning the assassinations of foreign nationals so they'll have plausible deniability that it ever happened or that they ever gave the information to Ukraine which I absouletly believe they did and 100% approval of doing so as killing top commanders will kill troop morale and cause the lost of experienced Officers/Generals.

 

As for the risk of Nuclear bombs being dropped is extreamly slim of about .5% because Putin knows that if he drops even the small of nuclear bombs it will result in retaliation from Ukrainian allied countries which would wipe Russia off the face of the earth causing the deaths of 145.800,000 Russian many of them innocents civilians who would most likely not support this War if they knew it was actually happening.

 

The media is so tightly controlled Russian relatives of Ukrainian absolutely refuse to believe their family when they were told that Russia had invaded Ukraine

[Craigsters]

 

 

 

there are only out of focus blurry images of the Admiral Makarov on fire at youtube, nothing credible  to show from any real media there, only file footage bad youtube video with bad narration

[Darth Absentis]

So no confirmation yet ? I sure hope for a confirmed sinking before the next 48 hours are over to be honest. Then i can celebrate 8 may for real. f*ck Russian autocrat supporters and their puny boats.

 

[Craigsters]

7 hours ago, Darth Absentis said:

So no confirmation yet ? I sure hope for a confirmed sinking before the next 48 hours are over to be honest. Then i can celebrate 8 may for real. f*ck Russian autocrat supporters and their puny boats.

 

 

I typed  "admiral makarov damaged" into youtube search  window and  found this  Horrible - Russian Warship 'Admiral Makarov' Destroyed By Ukrainian Missile Strike with  narration and snap shot file footage  of pentagon official's in the video

 

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update

 

 

 Russian amputee veteran presenting his compensation comment at link  quote link to left "Yes, when you lost a leg or two, you will get some cooking oil or bag of potatoes and unions." end quote,, also from comment of link quote "The card says "Единая Россия": "Unified Russia". Sounds sarcastic, given the way he's parted with his leg." end quote

 

also  being discussed  on reddit

 

 

Edited May 7, 2022 by Craigsters

[Plage]

According to the following source a "readiness report" of the Moskva for late February got leaked.

 

https://twitter.com/GrangerE04117/status/1522643831736332288?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

If what is written in there is true the ship had at least the following problems when air defense is concerned (part 2; page 3):

 

1. The fire control radar of the S-300 long-range SAM system wasn't able to illuminate a target correctly or the missiles were simply unable to connect to the guide beam.
3./4. The two OSA-M short-range SAM systems had functionality issues.
7. The AK-130 cannon had stabilization issues.
8. Two of the six AK-630 CIWS weren't working correctly.

I). If the MR-800 long range surveillance radar was turned on it was intefering with the SATCOM system.

 

And that's just the AD part. If you look at the rest listed in the report you can only come to the conclusion that the ship was nothing else than a swimming piece of junk.

 

 

[Craigsters]

 

 

every time a Russian ship is destroyed  in Ukraine this  image get's posted  at Imgur , scene originally from the Hunt for red October 

Edited May 7, 2022 by Craigsters

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Really can't wait to see if Ukraine has some "special military operation" in the making for Putin's favorite holiday tomorrow.

[Darth Absentis]

Still in favor for an Ukraine victory, but am i the only one seeing the Russians are actually doing better then Ukraine now in regards of terrain gains for a while now ? At least last time i checked(2 to 4 days ago).

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I haven't followed the developments very closely either but it seems there have been no significant changes these days. The Russians have been making some gains in the East (around Izyum) but were pushed farther away from Kharkiv. There's some doubt whether the Russian forces from Kharkiv are being moved to Izyum to support the invasion there, or to Belgorod for regrouping before another attack attempt on Kharkiv. Other than that, it looks like calm before the storm.
 

Spoiler

 

Source: ISW (daily updates with maps)

 

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

3 hours ago, Darth Absentis said:

Still in favor for an Ukraine victory, but am i the only one seeing the Russians are actually doing better then Ukraine now in regards of terrain gains for a while now ? At least last time i checked(2 to 4 days ago).

If you're taking about the Dombask or Crimea regions, They don't count as they were already in Russian control years before this war ever started.

 

As for thinking Russia is getting the upperhand, You surely are the only one, Why?

 

Because the Ukrainian Military which only had only 1/3rd the troops of Russia when the War started so Russia have gotten their ass handed to them by an army 10% of the Russian invasion force and every day non-military civilians not to mention Russia hasn't been able to advance nor keep any of the land they orginally captured in the first few weeks those area's have all been retaken by Ukrainian troops which were fighting with soviet-era weapons, they hardly have any tanks and no fighter/bombers and are relying on weapons from Allies vs one of the World's Military Super Powers who have advance weapons capabilities, a million plus active duty troops with 10 million plus in reserves or coming into conscript very soon, a navy, fight/bombers and attack helicopters but yet they got repelled by an underdog army.

 

Right now the Russian don't officially hold any Ukraine land, They only have control of ONE city and that is Mariupol even that city hasn't fully fallen yet it will soon but right now they're still fighting for full control.

 

There are maybe only 1,000 or less Ukrainian's who have been able to repel and hold off all attempts by a Battalion/Platoon of Russian soldiers from being able to full take the steel plant.

 

So tell me does it really sound like Russia is getting the upperhand?

[Craigsters]

 

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke at an annual military parade in Red Square, Moscow, as the country celebrated its Victory Day, commemorating the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by Craigsters

[Pete4000uk]

Still quite a few videos of Russian convoys getting blown up appearing on line.

 

Good news.

[Darth Absentis]

On 5/9/2022 at 4:27 PM, ṼirulenⱦEqừinox said:

If you're taking about the Dombask or Crimea regions, They don't count as they were already in Russian control years before this war ever started.

 

As for thinking Russia is getting the upperhand, You surely are the only one, Why?

 

Because the Ukrainian Military which only had only 1/3rd the troops of Russia when the War started so Russia have gotten their ass handed to them by an army 10% of the Russian invasion force and every day non-military civilians not to mention Russia hasn't been able to advance nor keep any of the land they orginally captured in the first few weeks those area's have all been retaken by Ukrainian troops which were fighting with soviet-era weapons, they hardly have any tanks and no fighter/bombers and are relying on weapons from Allies vs one of the World's Military Super Powers who have advance weapons capabilities, a million plus active duty troops with 10 million plus in reserves or coming into conscript very soon, a navy, fight/bombers and attack helicopters but yet they got repelled by an underdog army.

 

Right now the Russian don't officially hold any Ukraine land, They only have control of ONE city and that is Mariupol even that city hasn't fully fallen yet it will soon but right now they're still fighting for full control.

 

There are maybe only 1,000 or less Ukrainian's who have been able to repel and hold off all attempts by a Battalion/Platoon of Russian soldiers from being able to full take the steel plant.

 

So tell me does it really sound like Russia is getting the upperhand?

Weird. 

Kinda mad, can not find the youtube channel that originally gave me a map insight(he is doing pretty much a daily video on Ukraine with a map update.)

Still, what you claim is plain wrong as far as i can tell.

 

Last time i checked, Russia at the moment controls not only  most of Mariupol, but Izium, Vovchansk, Melitopol and plenty other places often considered cities.

 

And yes, Russia failed hard the first try, but i am pretty sure most agree that after Russian troops regrouped, we currently talk about a second phase in the war. Yes they lost all gains they had in that first phase, but i am talking what is happening now, not what happened weeks ago.

 

Currently there sure are fronts all over the eastern side of Ukraine, and it seems in general there is some standstill at best going on now at the moment.

 

[ArmanCan]

Talking about "Victory Day of Russia"...

 

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2 hours ago, ArmanCan said:

Talking about "Victory Day of Russia"...

 

I like the versions showing all the loot:

 

 

Another one:

 

 

[ṼirulenⱦEqừinox]

21 hours ago, Darth Absentis said:

Last time i checked, Russia at the moment controls not only  most of Mariupol, but Izium, Vovchansk, Melitopol and plenty other places often considered cities.

 

And yes, Russia failed hard the first try, but i am pretty sure most agree that after Russian troops regrouped, we currently talk about a second phase in the war. Yes they lost all gains they had in that first phase, but i am talking what is happening now, not what happened weeks ago.

1. Don't rely on YouTube videos for information unless they're coming from a reputable news source and a guy sitting in an apartment making YouTube videos about the war isn't one of them.

 

2. Holding several small/tiny townships/town's of 16 square miles of captured territories isn't anything to brag about holding as they have no vital importance to Russian's except a staging area and when Mariupol does fall it will be the biggest land grab that Russian's have been able to capture so to say Russia is getting the upper hand because of that is ridiculous and you're ridiculous if you think that it does.

 

3. While according to the Ukrainian Ministry Of Defense, the BBC and others Russia may hold Izium the Ukrainian holds all territories surrounding it so it won't be long until it's back in Ukrainian hands and are running Russian forces out of there as for Vovchansk, Melitopol that's nothing to brag about those are all small cities with a population of 40,000 or less with Melitopol being the only one with 145,000 but the area is only 19 square miles so not a whole lot of land is Russian control while the other areas 30 square miles or less so in total Russia hold a grand total of 63.66 miles of Ukraine (This does not include Mariupol as it has not fallen yet) with Ukrainian troops liberating these small Russian gains daily so Russian's are loosing several capture small towns/townships daily while Ukraine hold's 232,961 square miles.

 

4. Russian Troops have "fallen back and regrouped" several times and they STILL haven't been able to make any meaniful gains which is why they stopped trying to take Kyiv, L'viv and Karviv(sp?) and have focused on the eastern front near the Dombask region. Meanwhile entire battalions are getting their asses handed to them by small groups of Ukrainian troops with small arms and anti-tank weapons and unlike Russia Ukraine doesn't have full Battalions/platoons going after another sometimes it's only a group of 10 or so while are ambushing these Russian troops and doing a helluva job doing so considering the weapons they have.

 

5. As long as Ukrainian contiunes to receive military aid and intelligence from Allies such as U.S, UK, France ect Russia won't stand a chance especally now that Russia has lost  up to 10 of their most experienced Generals and thousands of war experienced troops that the reserve and conscript troops that will surely be replacing them with no Battlefield experience vs veteran Ukrainian troops who do have experience fighting in the Dombask region will be like shooting fish in a barrel which I feel kind of bad for those 18 year old kids who are being forced to fight in a war they don't want and will likely die within days of arriving in Ukraine.

 

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Drone footage from May 9th showing Ukrainian drone ambushing a Russian tank

 

 

Ukrainian troops using Russia's own tanks against them

 

 

[Craigsters]

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Edited May 15, 2022 by Craigsters

[Darth Absentis]

Meh, i am really not gonna argue with people who are obviously biased to be honest. Anyone trying that will likely just be ignored. 

On 5/11/2022 at 10:00 PM, ṼirulenⱦEqừinox said:

1. Don't rely on YouTube videos for information unless they're coming from a reputable news source and a guy sitting in an apartment making YouTube videos about the war isn't one of them.

 

2. Holding several small/tiny townships/town's of 16 square miles of captured territories isn't anything to brag about holding as they have no vital importance to Russian's except a staging area and when Mariupol does fall it will be the biggest land grab that Russian's have been able to capture so to say Russia is getting the upper hand because of that is ridiculous and you're ridiculous if you think that it does.

 

3. While according to the Ukrainian Ministry Of Defense, the BBC and others Russia may hold Izium the Ukrainian holds all territories surrounding it so it won't be long until it's back in Ukrainian hands and are running Russian forces out of there as for Vovchansk, Melitopol that's nothing to brag about those are all small cities with a population of 40,000 or less with Melitopol being the only one with 145,000 but the area is only 19 square miles so not a whole lot of land is Russian control while the other areas 30 square miles or less so in total Russia hold a grand total of 63.66 miles of Ukraine (This does not include Mariupol as it has not fallen yet) with Ukrainian troops liberating these small Russian gains daily so Russian's are loosing several capture small towns/townships daily while Ukraine hold's 232,961 square miles.

 

4. Russian Troops have "fallen back and regrouped" several times and they STILL haven't been able to make any meaniful gains which is why they stopped trying to take Kyiv, L'viv and Karviv(sp?) and have focused on the eastern front near the Dombask region. Meanwhile entire battalions are getting their asses handed to them by small groups of Ukrainian troops with small arms and anti-tank weapons and unlike Russia Ukraine doesn't have full Battalions/platoons going after another sometimes it's only a group of 10 or so while are ambushing these Russian troops and doing a helluva job doing so considering the weapons they have.

 

5. As long as Ukrainian contiunes to receive military aid and intelligence from Allies such as U.S, UK, France ect Russia won't stand a chance especally now that Russia has lost  up to 10 of their most experienced Generals and thousands of war experienced troops that the reserve and conscript troops that will surely be replacing them with no Battlefield experience vs veteran Ukrainian troops who do have experience fighting in the Dombask region will be like shooting fish in a barrel which I feel kind of bad for those 18 year old kids who are being forced to fight in a war they don't want and will likely die within days of arriving in Ukraine.

 

 

 

1)Whatever youtuber it was, he had a quite the neutral stance about things(unlike you to be honest) and seemed to pretty much just going more in dept about the weapons being used, reports coming from both Ukraine, Russia and confirmed things seen on footage and analyzing what happens in said footage, while also trowing in an in-depth update about that interactive map about the war in Ukraine.

Again, pretty much a shame i did not subscribe or saved the name in my memory. 

Not saying you are not right about being sceptical of information, but he seemed to use legit sources or to follow an agenda.

 

3)Do barely care, there where more towns conquered then the ones you originally claimed, so i was right. 

I mean, of course i do agree and i love how the tide currently really seems to be turning in general again for the Ukraine forces, but i am not here to get involved into your propaganda at all. Same for anyone else.

I prefer the cold facts, thanks.

 

The rest of your post is just boring semi-propaganda talk not really worth going to in depth about if you ask me.

Though, before i end up making people mad or sound like i am some edgy pro Russian person, even though by now i think i already have stated several times that i am no such thing as far as i am aware, i am also gonna agree the Ukraine forces are indeed putting up a great fight with what they got, i will note that i am curious how this will continue to unfold and i repeat once again i hope Ukraine kicks any Russian forces out and pushes them back where they belong.

 

edit: Ah, apparently i was talking about a channel called 'speak the truth'. 

If anyone has a well founded point of critique against using that channel as a reasonable reliable source for things, i gladly listen.

Personally seems more reliable then anything with UA, Ukraine, Russia, rocking any of those states their flags on their profile pictures or something like to be honest.

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Darth Absentis

[Craigsters]

 

 

Retired colonel speaks out on Russian TV BBC news  

Extraordinary exchange on Russian state TV’s top talk show about Ukraine. Military analyst & retired colonel Mikhail Khodarenok tells anchor Olga Skabeyeva “the situation for us will clearly get worse…we’re in total geopolitical isolation…the situation is not normal.”

 

above  sentence from  twitter 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Craigsters

[Pete4000uk]

That's his pension cut then.