This game was perfect and had everything

[Official General]

On 2/21/2022 at 2:55 AM, Milford809 said:

So I just started playing this game on PC recently to try and do all of the side quests, mess with cheats, and explore and I realized how huge this game really is. The map for it's time was absolutley gigantic and the game literally had everything. Especially compared to Vice City. And it had about any type of music you could want. it had something for everyone. Country, Gangsta Rap, Classic Rock, Metal, Alt Rock, New Jack/Swing, House, etc. it had it all and it had the best offering of artists from each genre. Just so much diversity.

 

And not only that, it had almost every activity and side hustle you could want.

 

I really think this game is better than V in terms of what you can do. Including all the mods for the game. The fun is limitless and the possibilities for fun and exploration are endless. You don't have to do any of the missions. Just use cheats and mod the game to high heaven.

 

Nothing beats San Andreas imo.

 

Will VI top it?

 

If you think's its that good until you try the mods. Mods will make this game 20 times better already than it is now !

[Super Shizuku]

14 hours ago, lil vader said:

Why bother initiating discussion with me in the first place?

- I love the thrills of chilliad challenge. That series of downhill bike races trained me how to manuever mountain bike carefully and fast by finding each spots to use brake, handbrakes and take turns - as well as how hard should I use and do each of those for each aforementioned spots.

- Even though some side missions don't contribute to what makes GTA, GTA. You should find those as breaths of fresh air. I get that you play GTA only for pure crime activities, but try to be more open and appreciative for some unorthodox things which you can't find in any other crime sandbox game.

- The game does reasonably reward the player for 100% completion, which makes up for all requirements to achieve it. Even GTA V is a joke in this regard.

- Side missions like The 90s (Gold Medal), Flying Fish (Gold Medal), and NRG-500 Challenge are interesting because knowing the tricks for each of those alone doesn't guarantee the player to pass. Try to name me 3 side missions in all Saints Row games that are like that.

 

This is what I meant with providing data. You, on the other hand didn't break down in full explanations why each of those side activities you mentioned aren't fun. That's what I find a problem with your opinion.

 

Now if even those pluses I mentioned on this specific post you can still find some tediums, go ahead and name them. I'll be happy to refute your future rebuttals.

Edited April 25 by Super Shizuku

[lil vader]

15 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

- I love the thrills of chilliad challenge. That series of downhill bike races trained me how to manuever mountain bike carefully and fast by finding each spots to use brake, handbrakes and take turns - as well as how hard should I use and do each of those for each aforementioned spots.

 

Good for you

 

15 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

- Even though some side missions don't contribute to what makes GTA, GTA. You should find those as breaths of fresh air. I get that you play GTA only for pure crime activities, but try to be more open and appreciative for some unorthodox things which you can't find in any other crime sandbox game.

 

Don't make assumptions about me because your statement that I only play GTA for crime activities (to paraphrase) is not correct. I hate to keep bringing it up but again, I mentioned Saints Row, the king of irrelevant side missions and I enjoy most if not all the side quests.

 

15 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

- The game does reasonably reward the player for 100% completion, which makes up for all requirements to achieve it. Even GTA V is a joke in this regard.

 

100% completion is going above and beyond what the game asks you and, in my opinion, shouldn't be regarded when discussing how good this game is. A number on a stat screen and some rewards you could easily achieve through cheat codes aren't substantive nor do they add anything to the overall experience.

 

15 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

- Side missions like The 90s (Gold Medal), Flying Fish (Gold Medal), and NRG-500 Challenge are interesting because knowing the tricks for each of those alone doesn't guarantee the player to pass. Try to name me 3 side missions in all Saints Row games that are like that.

 

I'm not going to name 3 side missions like that because I don't care to. Does anything you've just mentioned add to the GTA San Andreas experience? Arguably. From a subjective framework yes, it absolutely does but in an abstract objective way the motorbike challenges aren't the reason why I and many others enjoy San Andreas. I'd wager that most people who have played GTA SA didn't even bother because frankly they're boring, frustrating and unnecessary roadblocks to good content.

 

15 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

This is what I meant with providing data. You, on the other hand didn't break down in full explanations why each of those side activities you mentioned aren't fun. That's what I find a problem with your opinion.

 

Nah bro you have a problem with my *factual statements but I digress. What you have provided isn't data you've just listed two reasons why you personally enjoy the side diversions. I'm happy for you that you are able to appreciate said activities for what they are but it's really not relevant to the overall topic at hand. This is also why I did not "break down in full explanations" because it's not my point. I'm happy to discuss this if you want to persistently bug me with these replies but if you've inferred out of everything that I've said that my major point is "the side missions suck!" I think you might want to re-read what I actually wrote.

 

16 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

Now if even those pluses I mentioned on this specific post you can still find some tediums, go ahead and name them. I'll be happy to refute your future rebuttals.

 

What you mentioned aren't really pluses but as I've said this isn't relevant. I think a good start for you would be rebutting what I'm saying overall instead of nitpicking and taking my words out of context to argue against a point I never made, aside from the off-hand comment that side activities aren't fun.

[Super Shizuku]

 

16 minutes ago, lil vader said:

 A number on a stat screen and some rewards you could easily achieve through cheat codes aren't substantive nor do they add anything to the overall experience.

But by cheating, you technically don't do what the developers expected you to do. They wasted months made the game and you don't love the game as much as the developers tested the limit of how much a ps2 game can achieve. If you truly love the game, you'd use efforts to pass instead of simply buying it for the sake of playing it.

29 minutes ago, lil vader said:

I think a good start for you would be rebutting what I'm saying overall.

I don't deny the game is not perfect, therefore I have no obligation to do so.

[Super Shizuku]

40 minutes ago, lil vader said:

I'd wager that most people who have played GTA SA didn't even bother because frankly they're boring, frustrating and unnecessary roadblocks to good content.

Nice, you'd rather wager instead of providing statistics which reinforces the argument that they indeed don't bother. Oh, I'm pretty sure calling something is boring, frustrating and unnecessary without reasonings makes you no different than immature prepubescent kids who can't explain themselves why they don't like something.

[lil vader]

5 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

But by cheating, you technically don't do what the developers expected you to do. They wasted months made the game and you don't love the game as much as the developers tested the limit of how much a ps2 game can achieve. If you truly love the game, you'd use efforts to pass instead of simply buying it for the sake of playing it.

 

This is an incredibly silly point. Developers obviously put the cheats in the game expecting them to be used, else they would not have done it in the first place. And yes - cheats are inherently valuable or part of the "content", this is fairly obvious as games from the 2010's began to start charging money for cheats so I don't want to hear about how they were a leftover. Cheats are about as GTA as having the price down font on the front of the box. Obviously you really enjoy this game and you're entitled to do that, just as I am entitled to say it is not a perfect game by any metric but seriously? "They wasted months made the game" [sic].. umm, they wasted their development time? I never even suggested this, but Freudian slip or what? Then you go onto to say some non-sequitur about pushing the boundaries of the PS2. Did I ever say it didn't push boundaries? SA blew my mind when I was a kid with just how much they could get onto a disc but it still doesn't make it perfect.

 

Choosing how one plays and enjoys the game is also an individual choice. People love pieces of art for different reasons than the artist, in other words the audience has a different interpretation of a piece of art than the artist intended. If we were all collectively forced to view a piece of art from the lens of the artist then art would lost a lot of its value. And no - I obviously don't love the game as much as the devs. The key difference between myself and the devs however is that I didn't spend months of my life laboring a great game. Much in the same way I don't love a painting as much as the painter would.

 

5 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

I don't deny the game is not perfect, therefore I have no obligation to do so.

Why bother starting this discussion in the first place then? Because you felt the need to defend side missions because...? As I said previously you've completely taken my point out of context, if you want to start a debate by all means but buddy at least address what I actually said.

 

5 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

Nice, you'd rather wager instead of providing statistics which reinforces the argument that they indeed don't bother. Oh, I'm pretty sure calling something is boring, frustrating and unnecessary without reasonings makes you no different than immature prepubescent kids who can't explain themselves why they don't like something.

 

If you really need to start using what you call "statisitics and data" to win an argument or prove a point on a 20 year old video game forum then yeah.. Not the best look. Regardless, have you provided any data and evidence to back up YOUR claims? So far you've made two completely anecdotal points and ironically you're guilty of the same thing you're accusing me of. Provide some empirical evidence to back your claim or stfu and get off your high horse. I'm not going to go and research for hours every aspect of San Andreas because I don't care too. Let me make one thing crystal clear, because it's not sinking in with you. OP stated that GTA is a perfect game (to paraphrase) and in an objective sense it's not. You really need me to prove this? Accept it and move on it's a factual statement whether you like it or not. No video game is perfect, least of all not one known for some notorious game-breaking bugs, questionable decisions concerning the plot, not properly utilizing the game wor

Edited April 25 by lil vader

[Super Shizuku]

9 hours ago, lil vader said:

If you really need to start using what you call "statisitics and data" to win an argument or prove a point on a 20 year old video game forum then yeah.. Not the best look. 

The point of statistics is so you convince me that what you said regarding "most people don't bother" is an irrefutable truth. How can I trust you? All these conceited voices of yours are what I find as the problems.

Edited April 25 by Super Shizuku

[Super Shizuku]

9 hours ago, lil vader said:

I'm not going to go and research for hours every aspect of San Andreas because I don't care too. 

Suit yourself. Although a reasonable and respectable reviewer would try to mention and explain everything they don't like about the game by doing so and try to see why some people like those instead.

Edited April 25 by Super Shizuku

[Super Shizuku]

8 hours ago, lil vader said:

Regardless, have you provided any data and evidence to back up YOUR claims? 

I'd love to show you a gameplay video which will speak for how skill demanding some side missions are, but my laptop is too weak to record said video. Sorry.

8 hours ago, lil vader said:

Why bother starting this discussion in the first place then? Because you felt the need to defend side missions because...? 

That's just how discussions work. Just because we both think GTA SA is not perfect, doesn't mean I must agree with everything you say.

[Super Shizuku]

12 hours ago, lil vader said:

This is an incredibly silly point. Developers obviously put the cheats in the game expecting them to be used, else they would not have done it in the first place.

While at the same time they programmed a warning if the current game has any cheat activated every time the players go to the in-game floppy disk. Maybe the developers made cheats for players to have fun in a non saved file only? Look what happened in the mission "Madd Dogg". Players will be punished in that mission because they don't know firsthand which cheat should never be used until that mission is finished in order to avoid said punishment.

Edited April 26 by Super Shizuku

[Super Shizuku]

10 hours ago, lil vader said:

Choosing how one plays and enjoys the game is also an individual choice. People love pieces of art for different reasons than the artist, in other words the audience has a different interpretation of a piece of art than the artist intended. If we were all collectively forced to view a piece of art from the lens of the artist then art would lost a lot of its value.

Then you must accept that you cannot publicly announce that you have legitimately and factually beat the game as the consequence until you do so. Why walkthrough videos are mostly done with legitimate playthrough then?

Edited April 25 by Super Shizuku

[jet ranger]

realism in so silly game such as GTA SA !? Hm-m-m-m !?

Now this is possible ! Look ! Loooooooooook !! Looooooooooooooooooooooooook !!!

 

2 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

Suit yourself. Although a reasonable and respectable reviewer would try to mention and explain everything they don't like about the game by doing so and try to see why some people like those instead.

 

[jet ranger]

On 4/24/2022 at 5:18 PM, Official General said:

 

If you think's its that good until you try the mods. Mods will make this game 20 times better already than it is now !

 

[jet ranger]

On 2/22/2022 at 1:37 AM, Dragomazing said:

I agree and with some cool mods gta sa is definitely the best game ever!

 

[lil vader]

@Super Shizuku mate, I am going to do us both a favour, this will be my last reply to you because you insist on polluting this thread with your stupid little tangents and straw-man arguments. Each and every reply you make veers further and further away from my original point and of the topic of the thread. I mean seriously, what are you trying to accomplish?
 

3 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

Then you must accept that you cannot publicly announce that you have legitimately and factually beat the game as the consequence until you do so. Why walkthrough videos are mostly done with legitimate playthrough then?

 

5 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

Suit yourself. Although a reasonable and respectable reviewer would try to mention and explain everything they don't like about the game by doing so and try to see why some people like those instead.

 

I must accept I can't publicly announce that I have legitimately beaten the game? WTF are you talking about? Same thing with the second quote, when the hell did I claim to be a reviewer?

 

You are consistently dodging my actual main point and instead incessantly reply to me with the most off-topic garbage I have ever seen in all my years on this forum. Can't believe I even have to say this but even Osho and Am Shaeger could actually stay on topic and address arguments properly. Regardless, this obsession you have with me providing "data and statistics" is a pretty easy way to deflect what I'm saying, but uh-oh hold on a sec..

 

5 hours ago, Super Shizuku said:

Just because we both think GTA SA is not perfect, doesn't mean I must agree with everything you say.

 

Are you kidding me or what? If you agree with the following statement, "GTA San Andreas is NOT a perfect game" then I'm actually at a loss for words because that's what I have been saying over and over again but it didn't seem to be sinking in with you. Instead you choose to reply to whatever point you've invented. But look, we're in agreement, hooray! Now for the love of f*ck stop tagging me in 5 different replies and if you're going to debate with someone in the future I suggest you actually try addressing the main argument.

[Super Shizuku]

2 hours ago, lil vader said:

@Super Shizuku what are you trying to accomplish?

Making you stop being overconfident with your baseless claims i.e: the side missions are tedious and most players don't bother for 100% completion, since you don't care to do research on these two. Is that too much to ask?

Edited April 26 by Super Shizuku

[Toriality]

The OP mentions Hot Coffe as a example of mod that maxes out GTA's experience.

 

The OP tells this someone he has lack of life experience and knowledge. It is the same person above.

 

Two people start having a massive debate about things that are just opinions and won't change a thing in their lives.

 

"My opinions are correct and yours are wrong so there is no point in trying to argue with me."

 

Terms "facts" and "data" used, with no facts and data reference shown.

 

 

Please tell me it's a bait.

Please.

 

Edited May 13 by Toriality

[Journey_95]

Its not my favourite GTA game but I still love it. Definitely the most ambitious game of the series in terms of content. The story while a bit inconsistent due to its length still has tons of classic & memorable moments and characters.

 

 

[Anywhere USA]

On 3/9/2022 at 5:07 AM, ejoty said:

I would like to add that although there's tons of content for sure, even San Andreas removed features its prequel had, like:

• Explorable mall, airport terminal & other unique interiors
• Hardware stores
• Screwdriver, Hammer, Meat Cleaver & Machete
• Full-sized Uzi, M60 & Laser-scoped Sniper
• Rampages
• Robbing stores at a gunpoint
• Selling drugs from an ice cream van
• Larger variety of businesses to own like a movie studio, taxi firm, boatyard etc
• Choosing your own cars for street races
• Payphone assassination contracts

Yeah, as big as this game felt, even back in 2005 I was still slightly disappointed about the lack of some features in San Andreas.

Rampages are on console, co-op exclusive feature, but they are there

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Anywhere USA said:

Rampages are on console, co-op exclusive feature, but they are there

You are correct, I should have said singleplayer rampages but whatever.

[Jabalous]

Relative to its time, it was marvelous and there was nothing like it.  I still have vivid memories of me anticipating it, buying it and playing it. These were truly wonderful and unique times.

[universetwisters]

It'd be nice if they actually made the garage you win in San Fierro functionable at least. It should've been the mod shop you unlocked after doing the Wang Cars stuff instead of Wheel Arch Angels, or at least a free Pay N Spray

[D_Roland]

SA with out a doubt , one love, best ever , and so on 

[The Artist]

Indeed one of the best sandboxes ever made. The map felt huge and endless. Amount of content and variety is so good. Even the cheat codes are the still the best in the series. Gameplay mechanics still hold up decently.

[Algonquin Assassin]

I’ve always had a let’s just say a “colourful” relationship with San Andreas.

 

While there are individual aspects about it that still annoy me there’s no denying it laid down the ground work many sandbox/open world games still struggle to grasp with some 18 years later.

 

Definitely not my favourite, but credit is given where it’s due.

[ThatBenGuy1998]

“Perfect and had everything” would be somewhat of a stretch IMO. Regardless, I think it’s the best GTA title behind only IV/EFLC, III, and VC. Not quite as good as those three but still a very solid game!