DenjiChainsawman Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/13/2022 at 2:54 PM, Americana said: I give absolutely zero f*cks about characters from 3D Grand Theft Auto games. Honestly same On 2/14/2022 at 1:55 AM, potramen said: gta6 will be set in a completely new universe bc its a reboot We can’t be sure it could be still in the HD universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenjiChainsawman Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/17/2022 at 10:15 AM, H-G said: Yeah, that crap is better off as either non-canon or in it's own GTAO universe. Nope it HD universe canon lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAJ032304 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/23/2022 at 6:05 PM, DenjiChainsawman said: Nope it HD universe canon lol You can't deny the possibility the GTA O is in its own timeline after the story mode ended in Three Way H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelStallion Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I'd have been fine with different eras as their design and world choice, if they actually stuck to it. I am sure I remember seeing some interview with Rockstar saying something about characters from the 3D era not appearing in HD era but then that went out the window. Lazlow came back pretty much the same slimeball he always was, Fernando returned with his love lines, then Love Fist came along with Willie making an appearance, too. Rockstar seemed to peddle back on GTA IVs seriousness after people complained about the lack of wild adventures Saints Row boasted, so, I do wonder if they just thought past characters wouldn't have worked. That said, IVs gritty tone wasn't really all that different to IIIs. Maybe they just wanted to wash their hands and start fresh before buckling to a bit of fanservice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidLocomotive Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 2/14/2022 at 1:55 AM, potramen said: gta6 will be set in a completely new universe bc its a reboot No it's not. Who told you that? the most likely case is that it will take place in the HD Universe, the same universe as GTAIV and GTAV On 2/24/2022 at 8:01 PM, KingAJ032304 said: You can't deny the possibility the GTA O is in its own timeline after the story mode ended in Three Way Yeah I think it's pretty obvious that GTA Online is not the same universe as GTAIV and GTAV. It seems clearly to be a sort of split off universe where things that happened in those games happened in GTAO, but the things in GTAO didnt happen in the main universe. Kind of like RDR Undead Nightmare. I guarantee that when GTA VI comes out, the story mode is not going to acknowledge the existence of flying cars and sci fi laser guns and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I got another funny theory the 3D protagonists and characters exist but the protagonist just missed them. I like to think in my headcanon that in TBOGT when Luis goes to the LC Rampage building Tommy was also there trying to buy the team but left without reaching a deal and moments before Luis came in to shoot up the place H-G, Ondr4H, NightmanCometh96 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ondr4H Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 2/13/2022 at 8:54 PM, Americana said: I give absolutely zero f*cks about characters from 3D Grand Theft Auto games. I having this same, but for HD era... Xane_MM and H-G 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatz/Trickz Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 2/13/2022 at 6:28 PM, J LaFleur said: Just IMO. I know it's real but I think they shoulda just kept the characters and stories from the PS2 games and just changed the cities. Didn't have to wipe all those characters from existence IMO. Kinda hope GTA 6 has its own universe where everything from the other ones happened and all the characters exist. It was necessary for GTA IV to be what it was. It wasn’t Rockstar discarding the 3D games or being disrespectful to them, they just had a new vision for the series, a more grounded one and the 3D games simply had no place in that. But it was ultimately all for naught, as the really great foundation laid down by IV has been massively stained by GTA Online. iiCriminnaaL and H-G 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cheatz/Trickz said: But it was ultimately all for naught, as the really great foundation laid down by IV has been massively stained by GTA Online. A little off-topic one might say, bro, but I really gotta say Leslie Benzies honestly dug the grave for the GTA franchise the moment GTAO was first-ever thought of. Piece of sh*t (talking about GTAO, not LB) ruined everything SMH... Edited March 29 by H-G Zello 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkshayKumar Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Sometimes I wish there was no crossover of characters in GTA games and the most we got was a sly reference to events of other games but otherwise every game largely would be it's own thing with barely any connection to other games Other times I feel like it was dumb to throw away five-six games worth of events, and in such times I appreciate how the 3D era games tied into each other Think these conflicting opinions are just me thinking random things when I'm bored I generally just enjoy the games for what they are without thinking too deeply about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, AkshayKumar said: Other times I feel like it was dumb to throw away five-six games worth of events, and in such times I appreciate how the 3D era games tied into each other They didn't throw the 3D-era away, they just did away with it and gave you a fully complete circle of events from GTA3 to VCS with the latter putting a period symbol to it. As in no further edits or adjustments to it (except maybe Manhunt 2 because that kinda DOES count), you get the full picture. I just see each GTA universe as a separate option to believe in, each one being an alternate reality to one another with the player being free to believe in any of them being canon or non-canon. It's like 2-3 story books by the same author and containing the same content, except each one has it's own twist on the take and a vastly different array of everything in it, plus it's all up to the reader to believe in their favorite edition of the book. Simple. Edited March 29 by H-G H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperbagdude Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 20 hours ago, LucidLocomotive said: Yeah I think it's pretty obvious that GTA Online is not the same universe as GTAIV and GTAV. I don't have the source, but I remember all the way back before the release of GTAO, I read that the Online timeline was set about 6 months prior to the events of GTA V. This has stuck to me ever since, and watching how the timeline of Online seems to have progressed beyond that of GTA V greatly annoys me, though I can't confirm any of that properly. According to this GTA Wiki article, the timeline of GTAO and V has gradually merged together, with several major Online updates seemingly iniating a new era contemporary with specific events found in GTA V. While the progression of Online itself seems awfully canonical compared to that of GTA V, we might as well consider that both titles share their spots on the timeline either apart or together, though the relationship between them vague. Zello and H-G 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidLocomotive Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, paperbagdude said: I don't have the source, but I remember all the way back before the release of GTAO, I read that the Online timeline was set about 6 months prior to the events of GTA V. This has stuck to me ever since, and watching how the timeline of Online seems to have progressed beyond that of GTA V greatly annoys me, though I can't confirm any of that properly. According to this GTA Wiki article, the timeline of GTAO and V has gradually merged together, with several major Online updates seemingly iniating a new era contemporary with specific events found in GTA V. While the progression of Online itself seems awfully canonical compared to that of GTA V, we might as well consider that both titles share their spots on the timeline either apart or together, though the relationship between them vague. Yeah what I was trying to say in my comment is that in the world of GTA Online, the events of GTA IV, EFLC, and GTA V are canon and really happened. But, in the world of GTA IV, EFLC, GTA V, and (soon) GTA VI, I highly doubt the events of GTA Online are canon and really happened. So it’s kind of like they started as one universe but then the GTAO universe split off from the main one. H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) Nevermind Edited March 30 by billiejoearmstrong8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 2/19/2022 at 4:43 AM, Badman_ said: The remaster of The Trilogy plus the recent Online DLC where Franklin makes a very clear reference to GTA SA makes me think R* is planning to mix everything the same way Marvel did with Spider-Man in No Way Home. The next GTA Online is going to include Claude, Tommy, CJ, Niko, jetpacks, flying cars, space rockets, aliens... The GTA multiverse guys. Hooray! GTA into the Grand Theft Auto verse On 2/15/2022 at 8:22 AM, Ash_735 said: At this point with how much GTAO messes up things they might as well rename GTAO to "GTAO and the Multiverse of Madness" and just go all in and have CJ, old maps, etc, appear. That would unironically make the game better Pistol Bobcat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 Back to what Badman said, I actually also think they are planning to merge the universes into one, that might be why GTA DE features HD Universe assets, I think they told Grove Street games to add those on purpose to connect it to HD Universe, and they will probably mix the storylines together in GTA 6 and have Tommy appear. I actually wouldn't mind if this was true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Bobcat Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 (edited) On 2/19/2022 at 2:43 AM, Badman_ said: The remaster of The Trilogy plus the recent Online DLC where Franklin makes a very clear reference to GTA SA makes me think R* is planning to mix everything the same way Marvel did with Spider-Man in No Way Home. The next GTA Online is going to include Claude, Tommy, CJ, Niko, jetpacks, flying cars, space rockets, aliens... The GTA multiverse guys. Hooray! I've had similar thoughts ever since No Way Home, would be all for it! Have Claude, Tommy and CJ get warped into the HD verse while in the middle of their games final missions, join the Online protagonist on a long series of missions/heists against either Clifford remnants as well as variants of 3d era villains before eventually returning to their timelines, heck, have Vic appear too except this time he returns to 1984 with some prior knowledge that will allow him to survive this time and be an ally to Tommy. Plus it would make for hours of hilarious culture shock humor, Tommy questioning the idea that gangsters now drive flying bikes and CJ trying to understand how HD Grove Street is still run by the Ballas. Edited September 13 by Fox in a Box Comrade Monke and Xane_MM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 14 minutes ago, Fox in a Box said: I've had similar thoughts ever since No Way Home, would be all for it! Have Claude, Tommy and CJ get warped into the HD verse while in the middle of their games final missions, join the Online protagonist on a long series of missions/heists against either Clifford remnants as well as variants of 3d era villains before eventually returning to their timelines, heck, have Vic appear too except this time he returns to 1984 with some prior knowledge that will allow him to survive this time and be an ally to Tommy. Plus it would make for hours of hilarious culture shock humor, Tommy questioning the idea that gangsters now drive flying bikes and CJ trying to understand how HD Grove Street is still run by the Ballas. Honestly? The fact that GTA online introduced a literal nuclear war in 2017 with the doomsday heist doesn't make this sound impossible. You know what? I actually want this now. Have some time travelling plot and make it so the GTA online protagonist can experience the stuff you described. This would literally make GTA online one of the best games. It would also explain why HD Universe assets exist in the DE. Also, This and this dialogue proves the GTA sa events happened in HD Universe. Also Pistol Bobcat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 22 hours ago, Comrade Monke said: Back to what Badman said, I actually also think they are planning to merge the universes into one, that might be why GTA DE features HD Universe assets, I think they told Grove Street games to add those on purpose to connect it to HD Universe, and they will probably mix the storylines together in GTA 6 and have Tommy appear. I actually wouldn't mind if this was true. I think that’s a bit far reaching. I seriously doubt the Definitive Edition using assets from the HD era has much to do with some of connection and likely because not enough time was dedicated to remodelling/remaking assets so they used those ones. I mean the Definitive Edition is kind of like Frankenstein’s monster when it comes to quality so it’s extremely unlikely R* would care about using it as a merge point for the universes, but that’s just me. Xane_MM, AkshayKumar, DoctorMike and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) I kind of don't buy the idea of "having to explain the change of geography." Explain to who, exactly? I think of 1000 instances where a 3D character can partake in some storyline there no need to be having conversations about geography. The only geography dicussed is "so and so came up from Liberty City." etc. Imagine Vercetti in GTA IV. He would have been near 50. Maybe on the run the because gang wars in Vice. Some guys maybe still after him in Liberty for taking out his old crew and boss. I don't see any explaination needed. OK, lets see if CJ was in V. This is where a character exists in the game city and the city has changed. What would he need to explain? And to who? And why? He could be semi-retired living out in the desert laying low. He could even make some quirky observations by saying things like "things have really changed around here since I was coming up." It kind of breaks the 4th wall but doesn't really, too. It could be a genuine obervsation of how time passes yet it could also acknowledge the change in the same city (Los Santos) between two different GTAs. It's also videogame. lol So, that's just thinking if you brought 3D characters to pre-existing HD. Imagine they made the city with the intention of 3D characters coming back. What would that look like? Bringing 3D-era characters could work, easily. I think lack of imagination to solutions is the only thing stopping it. I think the reasons to change univserse was because of the leap in graphics and technical and a good opportunity to write newer more multi-dimensional characters. A complete new start. I don't think they did because they felt they had to so some bizarre explaining of the geography. If a 3D character in-game is in the HD universe, they should just act accordingly to the universe they're in. They're aren't going to start saying "when I was here before that rooftop had more polygons and the airport is was over there. There were also only 56 types of vehicles and now there is 128." They would just live in the universe they are in and all same places exist, just in a different shape and size. Edited September 14 by Mister Pink NightmanCometh96, AkshayKumar, Comrade Monke and 1 other 3 1 ＲＵＢＢΣＲ░Ｊ♢ＨＮＮＹ （スオッ） Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 44 minutes ago, Algonquin Assassin said: I think that’s a bit far reaching. I seriously doubt the Definitive Edition using assets from the HD era has much to do with some of connection and likely because not enough time was dedicated to remodelling/remaking assets so they used those ones. I mean the Definitive Edition is kind of like Frankenstein’s monster when it comes to quality so it’s extremely unlikely R* would care about using it as a merge point for the universes, but that’s just me. Yeah but the definitive edition isn't the only proof that they are gonna merge the universes. They referenced various GTA sa events in GTA 5 and in the recent online update with Franklin they reference OG Loc by name and also the GTA sa mission where you burn down Truth's farm. If Grove Street families and OG Loc doesn't exist in the HD Universe how can other characters acknowledge them? I honestly think they might be planning a No way home-esque crossover which considering they added a nuclear war in GTA online before wouldn't be too far fetched. Also you gotta consider, do you think today's rockstar would care enough to remaster three games just for GTA 3's anniversary if it wasn't for a bigger purpose? They could have added sh*t to GTA online and call it a day but they actually released three fully remastered games. Xane_MM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmanCometh96 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 7 hours ago, Comrade Monke said: Also you gotta consider, do you think today's rockstar would care enough to remaster three games just for GTA 3's anniversary if it wasn't for a bigger purpose? They could have added sh*t to GTA online and call it a day but they actually released three fully remastered games. I don't doubt that modern R* is more willing to acknowledge the 3D Era events and characters in the HD Universe than they were in the IV/V SP days (I wouldn't go as far to say they're 100% going to merge the universes, though), but at the same time, I don't think that was the main intention behind remastering the Trilogy (if it was even one of the goals to begin with). Everything about the DE (holiday release, rushed, glitchy ports of the already-buggy mobile ports, farmed out to the same developer of said mobile ports) suggests to me that it was nothing more than a quick cash grab that R* and/or T2 wanted out in time for GTA III's 20th anniversary (and to have something in E&E's original November 2021 release slot after it was delayed to March 2022). The use of HD Era assets was simply coincidental, IMO. Grove Street Games is a small, primarily mobile-oriented company; I imagine it was far cheaper, quicker, and easier for them to use textures/models/etc. that were already available than to create new ones themselves. If the DE was given more time in the oven and/or made by any other developer (let alone a branch of Rockstar proper), I'm confident that they would done more than just throwing these clashing, pre-made assets into games not originally designed with them in mind and calling it a day (at the very least, they'd have modified them to better fit the original Trilogy's art direction and setting). Edited September 14 by NightmanCometh96 Algonquin Assassin and Comrade Monke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) I don't really care about the universe stuff anymore. I'm all for adding CJ to GTA Online. Make him that super rich dude that moved to the suburbs that Lamar mentioned in Hood safari. Online has a lot of inconsistencies I'm sure they could if they wanted to find a way to add him. Edited September 16 by Zello Comrade Monke and Pistol Bobcat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Bobcat Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 28 minutes ago, Zello said: I don't really care about the universe stuff anymore. I'm all for adding CJ to GTA Online. Make him that super rich dude that moved to the suburbs that Lamar mentioned in Hood safari. Online has a lot of inconsistencies I'm sure they could if they wanted to find a way to add him. Would be so damn cool just hearing Young Maylay voice CJ again. If he's willing to come back that is, I heard somewhere he got sick and tired of everything he ever posted on social media (be it concerts, his dog) being bombarded with San Andreas jokes and memes in the comments lol. Comrade Monke and Xane_MM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Just now, Fox in a Box said: If he's willing to come back that is, I heard somewhere he got sick and tired of everything he ever posted on social media (be it concerts, his dog) being bombarded with San Andreas jokes and memes in the comments lol. He cleared the air on that and said he's fine. 1 minute ago, Fox in a Box said: Would be so damn cool just hearing Young Maylay voice CJ again. Part of the reason why I want CJ again. Young Maylay hasn't really done anything since and It'd be cool. Xane_MM, Pistol Bobcat and Comrade Monke 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 14 minutes ago, Zello said: He cleared the air on that and said he's fine. Part of the reason why I want CJ again. Young Maylay hasn't really done anything since and It'd be cool. Young Maylay has some banger music tbf but seeing him back would be so cool. Tommy too, I know Ray Liotta died but I think he could be recasted if it was just a cameo or a minor dlc appearance Xane_MM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Just now, Comrade Monke said: Young Maylay has some banger music tbf but seeing him back would be so cool. This would be the perfect trailer song. I think they should save CJ for like the final GTA Online update. Comrade Monke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 56 minutes ago, Zello said: This would be the perfect trailer song. I think they should save CJ for like the final GTA Online update. GTA online update with all three 3D universe protagonists Xane_MM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Comrade Monke said: GTA online update with all three 3D universe protagonists Ehhhh. I could only see CJ because LS is LS. Claude could fit somehow he's already in technically as he's the GTAO parent if you choose him. Tommy is the only one who would be hard to fit in imo. Edited September 16 by Zello Comrade Monke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 13 minutes ago, Zello said: Ehhhh. I could only see CJ because LS is LS. Claude could fit somehow he's already in technically as he's the GTAO parent if you choose him. Tommy is the only one who would be hard to fit in imo. Not that hard, just have him be the owner of the construction site and the update has him visiting the newly finished club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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