GTA VI B*tch & Moan Thread

[TheSantader25]

The current leaks don't look promising at all. But I'm gonna reserve judgement until the game is actually released or announced.

[lefantome]

2 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

The current leaks don't look promising at all. But I'm gonna reserve judgement until the game is actually released or announced.

 

Old R* had been dead for years and with that goes what was making their games amazing: their passion and boldness.

 

I expect a soulless cash grab, all the leaks about the gameplay and tone are very concerning.

 

I am glad they are fixing their toxic work culture but it doesn't mean they have to necessarily give up on passion and talent, GTA VI taking 10 years or more is embarassing anyway and happening not because they are not working hard enough but because they are wasting a lot of resources due to poor management.

Edited July 29 by lefantome

[lefantome]

Vice City and surroundings (flat land) 

 

other cities ad DLCs

 

Another 10 years+ game made to sell shark cards in GTA:O2

 

R.I.P. Rockstar Games 1998-2013 (RDR2 was great but its development began many years priori and during that time GTA Online killed the spirit of the company)

[KingAJ032304]

On 2/4/2022 at 11:39 AM, Ondr4H said:

Whats really sad thing from me side, that Im not interested anymore. Probably if it will be good, I give it a spin after dense evaluation.

 

But rockstar, three strikes and you are out for me...

 

First strike modders, second GTA V e&e and third, yes trilogy... Also you secretly hate players ... So thats it...

 

 

Molders thing isn't new so really it's 2 so far

[Geisterfaust]

Somehow R* and VI are now in mainstream news, but not in the way I wanted. When I've seen the notification from Bloomberg, I thought "here it is!", but sadly it was a big pile of sh*t. Where's the game, where's the intel and what is this crap? Seriously, when in 2022 you're a journalist and writing about Rockstar and GTA VI, you should provide something we don't know. Even if you're writing for casuals on Bloomberg. Damn I'm mad about that article as hell.

 

Female protagonists? You will have me on board at day one if the thing releases on PC, works as it should and not ridden with micro transactions. Hell, you can make the game all female if it's a proper GTA with all the mechanics, bells and whistles, I'll pay and I'll play. Tell me more about the game or shut the hell up. I'm not garticle on oing to work at R* and both as an investor and as a consumer I'm more interested in when they deliver their stuff, rather than how.

 

[EkaSwede]

I'mma be honest with ya, but I wouldn't worry too much about the whole female protag and PC dialogue and all that in GTA 6. See, journalists in general thrive off of manufactured controversy and this is most likely another one of them. Remember when they were all about how "The Next Bond/007 Will Be Female! OMGZROFFFLES" which of course was utter bullsh*t and terrible bait. 007 is James Bond and James Bond is 007.

 

But seeing rockstar's latest trend with DLCs and keeping some games alive I think they have about... a 35% chance of f*cking GTA 6 up. Not Saint's Row 5 bad  but...

 

Only time will tell.

[Neon-Noir 198X]

A lot of people are really hung up on the "woke" or "culturally sensitive" comments, when in reality, Rockstar has always been pretty "woke" and "culturally sensitive."

 

GTA as a series has consistently provided social commentary by parodying and adressing:
 

• the glaringly obvious wealth-disparity issues in the US (as well as the flaws of a hyper-capitalist society)
   
• the ease of access to firearms (AmmuNation in and of itself is a parody / commentary of the US' gun-obsession)
   
• racism and homophobia (TBoGT, anyone?)
   
• the US' lack of accessible and affordable healthcare.
   
• sexism (i.e, characters who beat, degrade or act like total slobs around women are often villains)
   
• the over-militarization and over-steppings of authority by police.
   
• the rampancy of religious fanaticism in the US.
   
• the war on drugs.
   

Putting on display and laughing at the US' blatant societal problems and injustices has literally been a core theme of the franchise since the beginning.

 

Despite what some may think, Grand Theft Auto is not an 'edgy' franchise. They provide quite well thought-out social commentary on relevant issues, with a left-leaning bias, and always have. The extent of this 'wokeness' will likely just be commentary by the female protagonist on her struggles with being respected in a male-dominated criminal underworld, which is entirely valid and realistic. That, and less "transvestite" jokes.

 

I understand a lot of people here are relatively young and may not remember the controversy on this very forum when San Andreas was announced, all because it starred a black protagonist. Yet, despite all the doom and gloom posting about the series "losing its way," San Andreas became arguably the most fondly remembered and loved entry in the franchise. The whining and moaning I'm seeing today is very reminiscent of that.

 

So like, I dunno. Maybe chill out, or something.

Edited August 1 by Komosexual
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[GrandTheftAutoVI]

14 hours ago, Komosexual said:

A lot of people are really hung up on the "woke" or "culturally sensitive" comments, when in reality, Rockstar has always been pretty "woke" and "culturally sensitive."

 

GTA as a series has consistently provided social commentary by parodying and adressing:
 

• the glaringly obvious wealth-disparity issues in the US (as well as the flaws of a hyper-capitalist society)
   
• the ease of access to firearms (AmmuNation in and of itself is a parody / commentary of the US' gun-obsession)
   
• racism and homophobia (TBoGT, anyone?)
   
• the US' lack of accessible and affordable healthcare.
   
• sexism (i.e, characters who beat, degrade or act like total slobs around women are often villains)
   
• the over-militarization and over-steppings of authority by police.
   
• the rampancy of religious fanaticism in the US.
   
• the war on drugs.
   

Putting on display and laughing at the US' blatant societal problems and injustices has literally been a core theme of the franchise since the beginning.

 

Despite what some may think, Grand Theft Auto is not an 'edgy' franchise. They provide quite well thought-out social commentary on relevant issues, with a left-leaning bias, and always have. The extent of this 'wokeness' will likely just be commentary by the female protagonist on her struggles with being respected in a male-dominated criminal underworld, which is entirely valid and realistic. That, and less "transvestite" jokes.

 

I understand a lot of people here are relatively young and may not remember the controversy on this very forum when San Andreas was announced, all because it starred a black protagonist. Yet, despite all the doom and gloom posting about the series "losing its way," San Andreas became arguably the most fondly remembered and loved entry in the franchise. The whining and moaning I'm seeing today is very reminiscent of that.

 

So like, I dunno. Maybe chill out, or something.

 

 

I do agree with you but the recent 'editing' of so called trans-phobic jokes in GTA V doesn't set a very good president. The MSM have tried to cancel GTA in the past and it failed. Every community gets sent up. The whole 'save space' triggering stuff, so called snowflakes and wokeism what ever you think that is should be front and center of the next game's culture. No doubt Trump supporters will be mocked but you have to go at the Antifa supporters as well. BLM movement have been exposed to be the sham that it is. So bring it on. It's an adult game after all.

 

Subtlety is still hopefully one of GTA's flag bearers. aka British humour(satire)

Edited August 1 by GrandTheftAutoVI

[Thomas Cavendish]

15 hours ago, Komosexual said:

A lot of people are really hung up on the "woke" or "culturally sensitive" comments, when in reality, Rockstar has always been pretty "woke" and "culturally sensitive."

 

GTA as a series has consistently provided social commentary by parodying and adressing:
 

• the glaringly obvious wealth-disparity issues in the US (as well as the flaws of a hyper-capitalist society)
   
• the ease of access to firearms (AmmuNation in and of itself is a parody / commentary of the US' gun-obsession)
   
• racism and homophobia (TBoGT, anyone?)
   
• the US' lack of accessible and affordable healthcare.
   
• sexism (i.e, characters who beat, degrade or act like total slobs around women are often villains)
   
• the over-militarization and over-steppings of authority by police.
   
• the rampancy of religious fanaticism in the US.
   
• the war on drugs.
   

Putting on display and laughing at the US' blatant societal problems and injustices has literally been a core theme of the franchise since the beginning.

 

Despite what some may think, Grand Theft Auto is not an 'edgy' franchise. They provide quite well thought-out social commentary on relevant issues, with a left-leaning bias, and always have. The extent of this 'wokeness' will likely just be commentary by the female protagonist on her struggles with being respected in a male-dominated criminal underworld, which is entirely valid and realistic. That, and less "transvestite" jokes.

 

I understand a lot of people here are relatively young and may not remember the controversy on this very forum when San Andreas was announced, all because it starred a black protagonist. Yet, despite all the doom and gloom posting about the series "losing its way," San Andreas became arguably the most fondly remembered and loved entry in the franchise. The whining and moaning I'm seeing today is very reminiscent of that.

 

So like, I dunno. Maybe chill out, or something.

What really amazes me is how many people play those games without realizing this.

[Americana]

I don't know about other Grand Theft Auto games, but when it comes to Grand Theft Auto IV you can write a dissertation on the decay of the American Dream.

 

To be honest, it was my idea but the professors are too old to understand that video games can convey a message.

Edited August 1 by Americana

[Gtaman_92]

I honestly don’t care about having less satire, another modern setting or a female protagonists. My main concern is the map. Florida is pretty flat and not as diverse in terms of landscape like California. After 10 years of waiting we should be getting some Caribbean islands and parts of South America in addition to South Florida. Having just Vice City and the surrounding areas (even if the map is bigger then V’s) seems a bit boring to me.

Edited August 1 by Gtaman_92

[Spider-Vice]

27 minutes ago, Thomas Cavendish said:

What really amazes me is how many people play those games without realizing this.

They either identify so much with the satire they think it's serious or I don't even know.

[GrandTheftAutoVI]

12 hours ago, Gtaman_92 said:

I honestly don’t care about having less satire, another modern setting or a female protagonists. My main concern is the map. Florida is pretty flat and not as diverse in terms of landscape like California. After 10 years of waiting we should be getting some Caribbean islands and parts of South America in addition to South Florida. Having just Vice City and the surrounding areas (even if the map is bigger then V’s) seems a bit boring to me.

 

Well if it's Vice more stuff south across the ocean hopefully is a given. Lets hope they are at launch at least the likes of Cuba and Barbados cause if they were added DLC that would suck. I am hoping the added DLC is north of Florida over time connecting with Liberty City etc.

 

Don't forget we haven't had jungle yet in GTA which would give me the sh*ts to be fair.

 

Edited August 2 by GrandTheftAutoVI

[DarkDayz]

12 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

They either identify so much with the satire they think it's serious or I don't even know.

 

That's the problem isn't it. Society has become the preposterous over exaggerated joke that they once displayed. You can't laugh at a joke if you have become it.

[GRANDHEIST]

Lot of off-topic posts here

 

This ain't the reasonable-thoughts-thread 

[Ryo256]

On 7/28/2022 at 1:51 PM, Zello said:

Shut up, sit down, relax

 

We'll wait until they release the trailer. Then we can panic or be excited.

Boooooooring!

[tabajara]

On 8/1/2022 at 1:42 AM, Komosexual said:

A lot of people are really hung up on the "woke" or "culturally sensitive" comments, when in reality, Rockstar has always been pretty "woke" and "culturally sensitive."

 

GTA as a series has consistently provided social commentary by parodying and adressing:
 

• the glaringly obvious wealth-disparity issues in the US (as well as the flaws of a hyper-capitalist society)
   
• the ease of access to firearms (AmmuNation in and of itself is a parody / commentary of the US' gun-obsession)
   
• racism and homophobia (TBoGT, anyone?)
   
• the US' lack of accessible and affordable healthcare.
   
• sexism (i.e, characters who beat, degrade or act like total slobs around women are often villains)
   
• the over-militarization and over-steppings of authority by police.
   
• the rampancy of religious fanaticism in the US.
   
• the war on drugs.
   

Putting on display and laughing at the US' blatant societal problems and injustices has literally been a core theme of the franchise since the beginning.

 

Despite what some may think, Grand Theft Auto is not an 'edgy' franchise. They provide quite well thought-out social commentary on relevant issues, with a left-leaning bias, and always have. The extent of this 'wokeness' will likely just be commentary by the female protagonist on her struggles with being respected in a male-dominated criminal underworld, which is entirely valid and realistic. That, and less "transvestite" jokes.

 

I understand a lot of people here are relatively young and may not remember the controversy on this very forum when San Andreas was announced, all because it starred a black protagonist. Yet, despite all the doom and gloom posting about the series "losing its way," San Andreas became arguably the most fondly remembered and loved entry in the franchise. The whining and moaning I'm seeing today is very reminiscent of that.

 

So like, I dunno. Maybe chill out, or something.

If GTA was always woke and culturally sensitive, why did they felt the need to remove the confederate flags?
Why did they felt the need to remove transphobic NPC dialogue, the Drag Queen NPC and the Captain Spacetoy with "interchangeable genitalia" from Grand Theft Auto V?

Edited August 2 by tabajara

[Thomas Cavendish]

35 minutes ago, tabajara said:

If GTA was always woke and culturally sensitive, why did they felt the need to remove the confederate flags?
Why did they felt the need to remove transphobic NPC dialogue, the Drag Queen NPC and the Captain Spacetoy with "interchangeable genitalia" from Grand Theft Auto V?

The world has changed my friend. Is it really a so hard concept to understand?

[Paper Mario]

15 minutes ago, Thomas Cavendish said:

The world has changed my friend. Is it really a so hard concept to understand?

i never even saw those drag queens before. i just watched this video, and personally i think they should've just kept these npcs in

 

[SinZer0s]

On 7/31/2022 at 11:42 PM, Komosexual said:

A lot of people are really hung up on the "woke" or "culturally sensitive" comments, when in reality, Rockstar has always been pretty "woke" and "culturally sensitive."

 

GTA as a series has consistently provided social commentary by parodying and adressing:
 

• the glaringly obvious wealth-disparity issues in the US (as well as the flaws of a hyper-capitalist society)
   
• the ease of access to firearms (AmmuNation in and of itself is a parody / commentary of the US' gun-obsession)
   
• racism and homophobia (TBoGT, anyone?)
   
• the US' lack of accessible and affordable healthcare.
   
• sexism (i.e, characters who beat, degrade or act like total slobs around women are often villains)
   
• the over-militarization and over-steppings of authority by police.
   
• the rampancy of religious fanaticism in the US.
   
• the war on drugs.
   

Putting on display and laughing at the US' blatant societal problems and injustices has literally been a core theme of the franchise since the beginning.

 

Despite what some may think, Grand Theft Auto is not an 'edgy' franchise. They provide quite well thought-out social commentary on relevant issues, with a left-leaning bias, and always have. The extent of this 'wokeness' will likely just be commentary by the female protagonist on her struggles with being respected in a male-dominated criminal underworld, which is entirely valid and realistic. That, and less "transvestite" jokes.

 

I understand a lot of people here are relatively young and may not remember the controversy on this very forum when San Andreas was announced, all because it starred a black protagonist. Yet, despite all the doom and gloom posting about the series "losing its way," San Andreas became arguably the most fondly remembered and loved entry in the franchise. The whining and moaning I'm seeing today is very reminiscent of that.

 

So like, I dunno. Maybe chill out, or something.

I'm gonna be honest man, back then all these things were considered woke sh*t but the thing is that they felt right, I mean, complaining about a black protagonist just for the color of his skin? being "woke" back then actually felt like the right path to follow, which ironically connects my argument to the fact that the classic political left turned into what's considered modern day centrism, with the new left being a whole different radical movement focused on... questionable things most of the time.

 

I'm worried that GTA VI will follow this new woke pc path which has already shown previously how much damage it causes to gaming in general, I don't wanna have another saints row in my hands.

[GrandTheftAutoVI]

1 hour ago, Thomas Cavendish said:

The world has changed my friend. Is it really a so hard concept to understand?

 

you know it's funny my eyes nearly popped out when i read that.

 

but if what your saying is true why didn't it change like this between 1997-2013

[Thomas Cavendish]

3 minutes ago, GrandTheftAutoVI said:

 

you know it's funny my eyes nearly popped out when i read that.

 

but if what your saying is true why didn't it change like this between 1997-2013

it is like asking why the age of enlightenment didn't happen in the 14th century.

[Jason]

10 minutes ago, GrandTheftAutoVI said:

but if what your saying is true why didn't it change like this between 1997-2013

 

That's one of the most naive things I've ever read on this forum, lol.

 

I wish I lived in your world mate, I really do.

[GrandTheftAutoVI]

18 minutes ago, Thomas Cavendish said:

it is like asking why the age of enlightenment didn't happen in the 14th century.

 

because electricity wasn't invented until the late 1800's

 

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

That's one of the most naive things I've ever read on this forum, lol.

 

I wish I lived in your world mate, I really do.

 

Why is it naive? I am mocking the idea the world has changed. It hasn't. Just the entertainment industry has become woke that's all. To which there is already considerable push back....

Edited August 2 by GrandTheftAutoVI

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, GrandTheftAutoVI said:

Why is it naive? I am mocking the idea the world has changed. It hasn't. Just the entertainment industry has become woke that's all. To which there is already considerable push back....

 

It's changed massively. If we're just talking in recent years and not over the centuries (so lets just ignore slavery and the like) gender and race equality has come along massively, as has acceptance for homosexuality and transgender. Few decades ago it was flat out illegal for woman to vote, fewer decades ago it was illegal to be gay, even fewer decades ago it was illegal to marry if you were gay.

 

If anything though, we're starting to see a regression with things like the abortion ruling in the US a few weeks ago.

 

It is just... mental, honestly, to suggest the world hasn't changed, or question why it didn't change soon or anything of that nature. In an ideal world equality would have been a thing for millennia but we don't live in an ideal world and people have had to fight for a very long time just to get where we are today.

 

That's without touching on the entertainment industry, as the entertainment industry does nothing but simply reflect what's going out in the real world for the most part.

[Spider-Vice]

Just 9/11 (to name one very obvious thing that did change how many things in the world work) changed the world entirely in 2001. How can anyone think the world hasn't changed in many other ways in a period of 16 years?  That sure explains a lot.

[Americana]

That's society.

Edited August 2 by Americana

[GrandTheftAutoVI]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

 

It's changed massively. If we're just talking in recent years and not over the centuries (so lets just ignore slavery and the like) gender and race equality has come along massively, as has acceptance for homosexuality and transgender. Few decades ago it was flat out illegal for woman to vote, fewer decades ago it was illegal to be gay, even fewer decades ago it was illegal to marry if you were gay.

 

If anything though, we're starting to see a regression with things like the abortion ruling in the US a few weeks ago.

 

It is just... mental, honestly, to suggest the world hasn't changed, or question why it didn't change soon or anything of that nature. In an ideal world equality would have been a thing for millennia but we don't live in an ideal world and people have had to fight for a very long time just to get where we are today.

 

That's without touching on the entertainment industry, as the entertainment industry does nothing but simply reflect what's going out in the real world for the most part.

 

 

the world is changing all the time. the entertainment industry doesn't always reflect real life. it's too big for such a generalization.

 

i just don't want the makers of gta needing to sensor itself. it's probably the only uncancel-able entertainment brand out there.

 

humor is subjective as is satire. sure you might get offended.......wow from a gta game. yikes. or not. or simply know it's an adult game for adults and get over it.

 

 

[Jason]

9 minutes ago, GrandTheftAutoVI said:

the world is changing all the time.

 

26 minutes ago, GrandTheftAutoVI said:

Why is it naive? I am mocking the idea the world has changed. It hasn't. 

 

Pick one and stick to it.

 

3 minutes ago, GrandTheftAutoVI said:

the entertainment industry doesn't always reflect real life. it's too big for such a generalization.

 

Not always, or rather, not always in a explicit way, but writing more often than not draws on modern topics even if it's done in subtle ways or in different genres or eras.

 

6 minutes ago, GrandTheftAutoVI said:

humor is subjective as is satire. sure you might get offended.......wow from a gta game. yikes. or not. or simply know it's an adult game for adults and get over it.

 

Satire needs a point, otherwise it's not satire. Simply attacking people for what they are is is not satire and it's very arguable if it's even humour at all.

 

According to the article they're no longer punching down like that and that's all R* are changing. That doesn't mean they can't offend groups of people still through the use of satire and humour, which is something they will almost undoubtebly continue to do. There's still a lot of political things they can satire, I mean, I imagine they'll be taking the piss out of the anti-woke crowd to be honest - and no, R* don't offend both sides, the writers satire what they want, they don't keep a tally to make sure they sit squarly in the middle as the poster on the last page showed, R*'s writing mostly leans to the left and always has done.

 

And also as far as the entertainment industry becoming "woke", I mean pushing for diversity or tackling subjects such as racism, sexism and equality isn't new, it's been going on for decades. Comic books back in the 50's and 60's revolved around those topics especially.

 

[GrandTheftAutoVI]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

Pick one and stick to it.

 

 

Not always, or rather, not always in a explicit way, but writing more often than not draws on modern topics even if it's done in subtle ways or in different genres or eras.

 

 

Satire needs a point, otherwise it's not satire. Simply attacking people for what they are is is not satire and it's very arguable if it's even humour at all.

 

According to the article they're no longer punching down like that and that's all R* are changing. That doesn't mean they can't offend groups of people still through the use of satire and humour, which is something they will almost undoubtebly continue to do. There's still a lot of political things they can satire, I mean, I imagine they'll be taking the piss out of the anti-woke crowd to be honest - and no, R* don't offend both sides, the writers satire what they want, they don't keep a tally to make sure they sit squarly in the middle as the poster on the last page showed, R*'s writing mostly leans to the left and always has done.

 

And also as far as the entertainment industry becoming "woke", I mean pushing for diversity or tackling subjects such as racism, sexism and equality isn't new, it's been going on for decades. Comic books back in the 50's and 60's revolved around those topics especially.

 

 

 

your talking about things that have changed over decades yet VI will be more censored than any other GTA before it.

 

do you agree? if so why. why can't you accept humor and satire is subjective?

Edited August 2 by GrandTheftAutoVI