Dragos142 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 So, after GTA 3, what happened to the Forelli crime family since now are weakened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave_NewOrder Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I guess, but the Leones are weakened too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragos142 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 After GTA 3, the Forelli crime family has been weakened just like the Leones and no longer mentioned in GTA 4. The fate of them is basically unknown after GTA 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 No one knows what happened after GTA 3, as chronologically it was the last one in the 3d era storyline. There is nothing after. Whatever you want, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtafaninwest Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The very likelihood is they collapsed and been passed into history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusianDream Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I feel like the Forellis would gain a slight upper hand after the death of Salvatore Leone. But who knows, the Italian mafia as a whole is basically crippled after GTA 3. Mr. Bogey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeansowaty Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 @Dragos142 Though, my personal take is that the Forellis tried to come back into power slightly after Salvatore's death but the Leones stayed stronger than them. Ultimately both Mafia families were destroyed in 2002 for good by the Yakuza. VenusianDream 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coconut Kid Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The Forelli Family actually seem to have become a satellite operation for the Sicilians after the events of Vice City. You hear it in LCS -- the Sicilians control Franco Forelli. This makes it interesting to speculate on their future. First of all, imagine that the Forellis are leaderless following the finale of Vice City. It's very profitable for the Sicilians to move in, back a new leader [Franco] and make some sort of peace with Vercetti to ensure a smooth flow of drugs from Vice City to LC. Basically, they accomplish what Sonny Forelli envisaged in the beginning. But the Forellis also gradually weaken between 1986 and 2001. The Sicilians also shop around and broker ties to the other families. They lose the sex trade to Florida and San Andreas [mirroring the real life exodus of adult entertainment from NYC to SoCal & South Florida], which would also hint at why Sonny was furious with Tommy after he expands into InterGlobal without giving the Forellis their cut. They also have to contend with the Hoods, the Diablos and the Triads. Their gambling operations are encroached upon by the Leones in Portland and the Yakuza in Staunton. Worse still, the Sindaccos, an organisation for which gambling is their lifeblood, gain considerable power following Sonny's demise. They're forced out of their expensive casino venture during the events of San Andreas. Marco Forelli is also murdered. Then, of course, there are the events of LCS. The Forellis are essentially decimated. Their political connections end with the death of Mayor Hole. Fort Staunton is blown to pieces. Franco Forelli can be presumed dead. The last remaining Forelli we know by name is Mike "Lips" Forelli. And we all know what happens to him. There are the ambiguous "Forelli Brothers" but I suspect they're just goons attached to the "wiseguy" Joey Leone had killed, rather than their actual leadership. But they aren't completely out of business. The Forellis, throughout all the games, have always been extremely cunning. It would be easy to speculate that they fall into a brief power struggle after Lips Forelli's death, unite under a new leader when Salvatore is killed and begin hammering the Leones for territory. They could be led by a blood Forelli or simply a high-ranking member with a claim to power. Whoever comes out on top. It could be the Atlantic Quays gang vs the Forellis in Saint Marks. Winner takes all. It's also worth speculating that the Sicilians might re-emerge, prop up what remains of the Forelli Family and encourage their power grab. One thing about these wiseguys... the hustle never ends. Claude4Catalina, Tru Company, Copcaller and 4 others 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenusianDream Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) I always assumed that Franco Forelli survived the bombing and was still running things along with Mike 'Lips' Forelli, dubbing them the "Forelli Brothers" as they're the only remaining brothers left. Or, Franco was killed and Mike 'Lips' was the current don until Claude whacks him. But then that would mean the Forellis are leaderless just like the Leones are. This is unlikely however though because Joey talks about him as if he's just a high ranking member. I forgot about the Sicilians though, it's very much possible that they revive the Forelli family after their fall. Really makes you wonder how a sequel to GTA 3 would be like. Edited January 25 by VenusianDream H-G, Copcaller and The Coconut Kid 3 Mr. Bogey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coconut Kid Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Good points! GTASeriesVideos have some really good information on Mike Lips in their GTAIII beta video. The original vision for him is as a local mobster with a big time gambling addiction. He's in such massive debt to Joey Leone that Joey "owns" him. I can't imagine Joey Leone pushing around or "owning" a mob boss. I can't even imagine Joey having the kind of money on hand to loan to Lips. He seems to get by on soft target robberies and squanders his scores on Misty. But I can imagine Salvatore providing Joey with the money to provide larger loans and giving him instructions to "bleed those Forelli cocksuckers dry!" And when Lips doesn't want to pay? F*ck him, let's blow him up! Franco could also be alive. It's a bit of a stretch to imagine that every member of the Forelli Family was concentrated in Fort Staunton when Toni blew it up. He could well still be running things into GTAIII. It could be a situation like The Sopranos where Lips is the day-to-day "front boss" who handles all the business on the street. He could also be a soft target for the FBI while someone completely unknown runs things from behind the scenes. I wish we knew more. Another possibility I have completely overlooked is Mayor O'Donovan. O'Donovan begins as the Forelli's candidate and they apparently manipulate him into taking down Sal. Then the Leones rescue him at the end of LCS and coerce him into working for them. Assume they keep this relationship until Salvatore gets killed. O'Donovan is suddenly free to do as he pleases. And it's an election year. His tenure has been horrible for violent crime, so he decides to run on a law and order platform. He's going to crack down on the gangs. Who does he decide to go after first? The Leones and Forellis. After all, he'll have a vendetta against both. Both families are forced underground for a few years, but eventually come out stronger and with completely new hierarchies. Maybe they're even Forellis and Leones in name only. So much potential still left in the III world. VenusianDream, H-G and Copcaller 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabitsuki Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 18 hours ago, Jeansowaty said: @Dragos142 Though, my personal take is that the Forellis tried to come back into power slightly after Salvatore's death but the Leones stayed stronger than them. Ultimately both Mafia families were destroyed in 2002 for good by the Yakuza. I still find it pretty impressive that it was done mostly by one guy. Edited January 26 by sabitsuki H-G, Copcaller, Jeansowaty and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) Judging by how they've already been weakened down to only "two brothers" by the "Dead Skunk in the Trunk" mission in GTA3 (who can be optionally killed in that mission), I'd say either Claude killed them or they later ended up dying in some offscreen Leone-Forelli shootout, wiping the Forellis off the map for good. Franco Forelli could've very well ended up getting roasted in the Fort Staunton "land clearance" that Toni did in LCS, I can't really see it that much of a stretch since LCS is kinda (very slightly) "over-the-top"-ish too and a lot of other weird stuff happens throughout the game. There's something interesting about the pre-release Forelli lore in GTA3, though, it was different in late BETA stages of the game: If you click on the blip named "St. Mark's Bistro" on the Portland island map in the official Flash website of GTA3, a police report is displayed which claims that the place is a "known hangout" for the Forellis (despite the restaurant being in Leone turf), and that the Forellis have been in a "state of war" with the Leones for the past two or three years (kinda slightly doesn't make sense considering LCS). The origin of war is unknown, but what is really intriguing, though, is that the report says the Forellis once used to work for the Leones, and only recently tried to break away and form their own mafia family. Did R* intend to make the Forellis some sort of rebellious faction of the Leones? Especially considering how the Forellis are referred to as "the Forelli brothers" in-game? I believe they messed up this nice little lore by featuring the Forellis as a full-fledged mafia family in VC, SA, LCS, and even VCS. Edited January 26 by H-G The Coconut Kid and VenusianDream 2 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coconut Kid Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, H-G said: If you click on the blip named "St. Mark's Bistro" on the Portland island map in the official Flash website of GTA3, a police report is displayed which claims that the place is a "known hangout" for the Forellis (despite the restaurant being in Leone turf), and that the Forellis have been in a "state of war" with the Leones for the past two or three years (kinda slightly doesn't make sense considering LCS). The origin of war is unknown, but what is really intriguing, though, is that the report says the Forellis once used to work for the Leones, and only recently tried to break away and form their own mafia family. Did R* intend to make the Forellis some sort of rebellious faction of the Leones? Especially considering how the Forellis are referred to as "the Forelli brothers" in-game? I believe they messed up this nice little lore by featuring the Forellis as a full-fledged mafia family in VC, SA, LCS, and even VCS. I knew there was something out there that stated this, but I had no idea it was still online... great find. Safe to say, what is shown on that site has been heavily revised since GTAIII. But we can also sort of see parts of it brought to fruition too. We could say the Forellis used to work for the Leones... if we think about the Sicilians, who were ran by a Leone. "Uncle" Leone seems to control the Sicilians. And they essentially thought Liberty City was a "sh*thole" [to quote Massimo] and were happy to let the three families run things. As long as they coughed up tribute. We also know [from "Caught in the Act"] that the Sicilians "own" Franco Forelli. Safe to say he works for them and takes orders from them. And the way the dialogue makes sounds, Franco would otherwise have no beef with the Leones, but is being "pushed into" a feud with them by the Sicilians. They want the families broken up and fighting each other so they can come in when the dust has settled and take over. So the Forellis in LCS take a massive hit. What's left of them becomes the "Forelli Brothers" in GTAIII. But the Sicilians have also taken a big hit. We don't know if Uncle Leone recovers his influence over Liberty City [all he has is "clarity"] or dies of old age between 1998 and 2001. The conditions would be ripe for the Forellis to say "F*ck the Sicilians. We're going to do our own thing!" and establish their own operations -- entirely free of the Leone influence from Sicily. It's messy. But it could work. Even as far back as Vice City, there are doubts right at the beginning about answering to other families. H-G and VenusianDream 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/26/2022 at 3:24 PM, H-G said: Judging by how they've already been weakened down to only "two brothers" by the "Dead Skunk in the Trunk" mission in GTA3 (who can be optionally killed in that mission), I'd say either Claude killed them or they later ended up dying in some offscreen Leone-Forelli shootout, wiping the Forellis off the map for good. Franco Forelli could've very well ended up getting roasted in the Fort Staunton "land clearance" that Toni did in LCS, I can't really see it that much of a stretch since LCS is kinda (very slightly) "over-the-top"-ish too and a lot of other weird stuff happens throughout the game. There's something interesting about the pre-release Forelli lore in GTA3, though, it was different in late BETA stages of the game: If you click on the blip named "St. Mark's Bistro" on the Portland island map in the official Flash website of GTA3, a police report is displayed which claims that the place is a "known hangout" for the Forellis (despite the restaurant being in Leone turf), and that the Forellis have been in a "state of war" with the Leones for the past two or three years (kinda slightly doesn't make sense considering LCS). The origin of war is unknown, but what is really intriguing, though, is that the report says the Forellis once used to work for the Leones, and only recently tried to break away and form their own mafia family. Did R* intend to make the Forellis some sort of rebellious faction of the Leones? Especially considering how the Forellis are referred to as "the Forelli brothers" in-game? I believe they messed up this nice little lore by featuring the Forellis as a full-fledged mafia family in VC, SA, LCS, and even VCS. Basically just another detail copied from the Rosato Brothers from The Godfather who broke away from the Corleone Family between 1 and 2. This was then retconned in Vice City and later LCS, where they had been a full fledged family since at least the early '70s, considering Tommy perpetrated the Harwood killings on their behalf. The Detective, H-G and VenusianDream 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copcaller Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Probably significantly weakened but idk curly bob states that the leones are losing men to the forellis so seems like they still have some bite left. End of 3 however the leones run portland so the forellis are at best just a minor thorn in the paw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Copcaller said: Probably significantly weakened but idk curly bob states that the leones are losing men to the forellis so seems like they still have some bite left. End of 3 however the leones run portland so the forellis are at best just a minor thorn in the paw. Pretty sure he was talking about the Forellis losing men and influence and not the Leones? H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoJesus Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, H-G said: Pretty sure he was talking about the Forellis losing men and influence and not the Leones? It actually seems pretty unclear from the dialogue Quote Ok, so the Leone's are fighting war on two fronts. They are in a turf war with the Triads with no sign of either side giving up. Meanwhile Joey Leone has stirred up some bad blood with the Forellis. Everyday they are losing men and influence in the city. Salvatore is becoming dangerous and paranoid. It could refer to both sides. It's reasonable to think that the Leones are losing men to the Triads in the gang wars. H-G and Copcaller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, GhettoJesus said: It actually seems pretty unclear from the dialogue Quote Ok, so the Leone's are fighting war on two fronts. They are in a turf war with the Triads with no sign of either side giving up. Meanwhile Joey Leone has stirred up some bad blood with the Forellis. Everyday they are losing men and influence in the city. Salvatore is becoming dangerous and paranoid. It could refer to both sides. It's reasonable to think that the Leones are losing men to the Triads in the gang wars. For me, I just interpret it as "...stirred up bad blood with the Forellis. Every day, they are losing men and influence in the city." because it's sounds the most plausible thing. GhettoJesus 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoJesus Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, H-G said: For me, I just interpret it as "...stirred up bad blood with the Forellis. Every day, they are losing men and influence in the city." because it's sounds the most plausible thing. That is possible as well. Anyways in my opinion the Forellis are doing pretty bad while the Leones are dominant, though they still have the strength to try and hit smaller fish like Claude. Once Sal dies I believe the Forellis may recover a bit of their former glory but not that much and they remain the same minor fraction as they were during Sal. H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, GhettoJesus said: That is possible as well. Anyways in my opinion the Forellis are doing pretty bad while the Leones are dominant, though they still have the strength to try and hit smaller fish like Claude. Once Sal dies I believe the Forellis may recover a bit of their former glory but not that much and they remain the same minor fraction as they were during Sal. IMO after Sal's death, I believe Toni took over the don's seat, as Joey was already way too much of a car guy to be actually fit for the Sicilian wet work, and then he used the already-dominant influence of the Leones to wipe out what was left of the Forellis once and for all. Maybe the Triads and Diablos took a slight hit too. GhettoJesus, Super Shizuku and VenusianDream 3 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copcaller Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 On 2/12/2022 at 11:31 PM, H-G said: Pretty sure he was talking about the Forellis losing men and influence and not the Leones? The way he worded it made it seem like the leones are losing men from fighting two gang wars at the same time but the majority of casualties are probably coming from the triads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Monke Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I imagine they probably remained a minor syndicate or disbanded and joined the Leones and/or Vercettis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 They died and went bye-bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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