Gamers on Twitter have started a campaign #SaveRedDeadOnline

[Nerfgoth]

9 minutes ago, concolt said:

Has this saved the game yet?

 

Nopp!

[concolt]

4 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

 

Nopp!

Dang I was hoping it was saved.  Still no heists? No train robberies? Have they introduced a sixth currency yet?

[Shrek Realista]

10 minutes ago, concolt said:

Dang I was hoping it was saved.  Still no heists? No train robberies? Have they introduced a sixth currency yet?

Last year Rockstar abandoned this game for good.

[concolt]

10 minutes ago, Chief_Forasteiro said:

Last year Rockstar abandoned this game for good.

Dang. That’s sad.  I was hoping we would get a PS5 upgrade or at least Rockstar editor before they abandoned it.  Maybe if they add Shark cards to the game it can last longer.

[Rev. Gnash]

[Nerfgoth]

@Rev. Gnash Well, it was fun! What ever we do it is game over.....

 

 

Edited June 29 by Nerfgoth
Bonkers.....

[Direwrath]

Yeah that is the truth.

I believe that miracle would have to involve a completely revamped version of RDO that has many of the things that have been requested by players over the years, including for example, more outlaw stuff and server choice. Only then might it save the game. And I stress how it "might" because they (the company) really did a number on the game and the confidence of the players.

[D T]

The death of RDO is no surprise. It was never going to reach the kind of younger audience that funds expensive live service games like Fortnite or GTA Online. The core gameplay experience was built to accommodate a methodically paced story, not an adrenaline packed session with friends. They tried to rework the combat post-launch by speeding up the animations but all that did was dilute the immersion factor further. At the end of the day, nothing they could've added would've changed anything. Another mission reskinned as a heist? A moonshiners reskin? A camp reskinned as a house? More chances at gold bars with nothing to spend them on? I guarantee you that sh*t would've gotten old after a week. Let sleeping dogs lie. Be happy Rockstar has all hands on deck for the next GTA game.

[Nerfgoth]

6 hours ago, D T said:

The death of RDO is no surprise. It was never going to reach the kind of younger audience that funds expensive live service games like Fortnite or GTA Online. The core gameplay experience was built to accommodate a methodically paced story, not an adrenaline packed session with friends. They tried to rework the combat post-launch by speeding up the animations but all that did was dilute the immersion factor further. At the end of the day, nothing they could've added would've changed anything. Another mission reskinned as a heist? A moonshiners reskin? A camp reskinned as a house? More chances at gold bars with nothing to spend them on? I guarantee you that sh*t would've gotten old after a week. Let sleeping dogs lie. Be happy Rockstar has all hands on deck for the next GTA game.

 

Even if the gameplay are/was more slow paced there still could be moments of intense! Problem is that it happens only once if it is a pve thing. Then we learn and adapt to those moments and it becomes dull again. If you going to complain about reskin of stuff just look at GTAO! When did we get something that was complete new? After the OG heists we got DDH, Casino, CPH, Auto shop mini heist and all of them was reskins. Racing too, we got SASS, Cunning Stunts Series and F1 cars also reskins.....  Arena Wars was a glorified adversary mode!

 

One of the differences between GTAO and RDO is that GTAO has a much wider range of means of transportation. So lets say we remove all cars bikes and everything that flies with ten cars that looks different but got same top speed and same handling and do the same with planes and choppers. People would be bored after a week after being disappointed that there is no variation on the stuff.

 

R* could have added so much. People are asking for homes mostly because to have a fix spot to spawn in to and call home. The thing does not get better when R* said that we was going to get a home of our own. We just had to wait.

R* sat the bar with GTAO and that is what people are wanting out RDO. So this thing with no updates and no communication have sour me for getting GTA6.....

[Zapper]

8 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

One of the differences between GTAO and RDO is that GTAO has a much wider range of means of transportation. So lets say we remove all cars bikes and everything that flies with ten cars that looks different but got same top speed and same handling and do the same with planes and choppers. People would be bored after a week after being disappointed that there is no variation on the stuff.

But traversal variety is a huge part of a good open world game. You simply can't take away an integral part of a game to prove your point. MMO (or MMO lites, like GTAO) are inherently repetitive for the most part, and GTAO's design and gameplay does a lot of heavy lifting to alleviate this issue. What worked in favor of the more curated, slower paced campaign is the exact same thing that proved detrimental to RDO.

 

Rockstar could've added more to RDO, sure, but there is nothing they could've added to change the core nature of the game, whether it's more horses, hot air balloons, bicycles, early 20th century cars, or whatever, so they decided to move on from it. They surely know the economy is messed up beyond the point of fixing it with a patch, unless they plan to take away gold from players, which would create an immense backlash and then some.

 

I've said it time and again, they would've handled RDO much better if they didn't have GTAO running simultaneously, and that's not even taking VI into account, which is surely being built to last at least 6+ years. In my opinion, turning RDO into a western survival life simulator would've worked out better than the GTAO but in Wild West treatment it got, just because of the inherent slowness and meandering nature of this game.

 

The silver lining in all this mess is if they put out a well made RDR1 remake/remaster along with a next gen version of RDR2. I think most of the community would appreciate it over another RDO update which has all the chances in the world of being terrible or unfinished.

[Direwrath]

18 hours ago, D T said:

Be happy Rockstar has all hands on deck for the next GTA game.

Nah, I think I'll pass on that one.

 

9 hours ago, Zapper said:

The silver lining in all this mess is if they put out a well made RDR1 remake/remaster along with a next gen version of RDR2. I think most of the community would appreciate it over another RDO update which has all the chances in the world of being terrible or unfinished.

If they remade Red Dead Revolver, I might be inclined. Still I won't be so eager to get it and will not expect much of anything from it.

And you are right another update for RDO is just going to be something thrown together as quickly as possible so the company can say that they are doing something. RDO has lost the momentum it once had, that is not something so easy to get back without some real work.

Basically they need to understand that the community as a whole isn't going to be so easy to please, as many of us don't worship the ground at R*'s feet.

They cannot ignore a game and give us players the silent treatment for over a year and then expect us to come running back like happy little dogs at their beck and call.

 

There really isn't going to be a silver lining, R* just needs to tell us what to expect whether it's good or bad news. And if they are going to keep the servers open, at least they can give us access to private or invite only servers as a parting gift.

[arisfelbonilla]

47 minutes ago, Direwrath said:

There really isn't going to be a silver lining, R* just needs to tell us what to expect whether it's good or bad news. And if they are going to keep the servers open, at least they can give us access to private or invite only servers as a parting gift.

if they closed the ps3 and xbox 360 gta online servers forever what makes you think they will do it with this
also even if 10 years pass I don't think the red dead online will close it

[Direwrath]

4 hours ago, arisfelbonilla said:

if they closed the ps3 and xbox 360 gta online servers forever what makes you think they will do it with this
also even if 10 years pass I don't think the red dead online will close it

Honestly I have no idea what they did with the GTA servers for the other consoles as I wasn't an online player until RDO came out. But, if we go by what Take Two stated as a follow up to when the CEO (I think this is the right guy?) made the mistake of saying that they had so many plans for RDO in the future.

They (T2) stated that they will be maintaining the servers and hinted at nothing beyond that.

But I've been burned before, and so I will take anything that this company says with a sense of speculation and doubt.

It probably don't take much to keep a server online, but from the way the company is willing to divert all resources on unknown cash cows, it isn't far fetched to think that they will let the RDO servers fall to disarray and only come in when they are asked to fix something.

So not much hope either way.

 

[YNNEL]

Never know a developer to treat its fans as poorly as Rockstar does. There’s no excuse for it it’s just complete arrogance in their part.

[arisfelbonilla]

7 hours ago, YNNEL said:

Never know a developer to treat its fans as poorly as Rockstar does. There’s no excuse for it it’s just complete arrogance in their part.

and 343 industries? :v

[Space Cowboy]

16 hours ago, Direwrath said:

There really isn't going to be a silver lining, R* just needs to tell us what to expect whether it's good or bad news. And if they are going to keep the servers open, at least they can give us access to private or invite only servers as a parting gift.

This reminds me a similar situation which happened in regards to singleplayer dlc for GTA V in 2015. In one of the earning calls Take Two CEO said that "Rockstar hasn't announced any plans for singleplayer dlc", which was a lie because they did mention it several times on their newswire and we have vast evidence in the files to back it up as well. Later, this happened:
 

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Gamespot quotes a statement from Take Two which states, "Strauss misspoke during today's call, as over a year ago Rockstar Games had said that they were exploring story mode content for Grand Theft Auto V; however, no further information has been released since. As always, we leave it to Rockstar Games to share information about their games when they're ready."

I very much doubt that singleplayer dlc was in production as of 2015, yet Take Two felt the need to clarify Strauss' statements (just like in the RDO situation recently) to neither deny nor confirm that the dlc is in development. They did the same thing with RDO, they didn't deny/confirm anything, but in this case it might be even worse because it seems Strauss really thought that RDO content support is not dead, and later clarified that any content support is up to Rockstar.

The point is, Rockstar will never flat out say they are stopping the development of any RDO content or keeping/not keeping servers running. I can already see Rockstar years later talking about how they realised all their plans with RDO and that RDO was a full Online experience that they are proud of. They said the same about GTA V that the game was already huge enough and that the singleplayer dlc wasn't needed.

[Direwrath]

14 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

The point is, Rockstar will never flat out say they are stopping the development of any RDO content or keeping/not keeping servers running. I can already see Rockstar years later talking about how they realised all their plans with RDO and that RDO was a full Online experience that they are proud of. They said the same about GTA V that the game was already huge enough and that the singleplayer dlc wasn't needed.

It's the comments like those that make me wary of anything that they say anymore.

I've learned that R* likes to play word games, and through all of this I have also lost complete confidence in the company.

 

 

 

 

 

[Foxwolfe]

The current R* seems pretty trash, but kinda to be expected after losing so many key people involved in what made them what they were. Unfortunate that it feels like all they care about is chasing dollars anymore.

[Nerfgoth]

On 6/30/2022 at 2:10 PM, Zapper said:

But traversal variety is a huge part of a good open world game. You simply can't take away an integral part of a game to prove your point. MMO (or MMO lites, like GTAO) are inherently repetitive for the most part, and GTAO's design and gameplay does a lot of heavy lifting to alleviate this issue.

 

Yes, I can! But I did not take away anything! Just limited how fast you can get around the map. There is only two ways to get around in RDO. Using your horse or fast travel. All other ways requires that you steal said means of transportation.

 

 

 

On 6/30/2022 at 2:10 PM, Zapper said:

I've said it time and again, they would've handled RDO much better if they didn't have GTAO running simultaneously, and that's not even taking VI into account, which is surely being built to last at least 6+ years. In my opinion, turning RDO into a western survival life simulator would've worked out better than the GTAO but in Wild West treatment it got, just because of the inherent slowness and meandering nature of this game.

 

GTAO found it stride in heist where RDO never found what it was suppose to be! If you really think about, what are are? We are not outlaws and defiantly not the good guys.... We are meh!

 

On 6/30/2022 at 2:10 PM, Zapper said:

The silver lining in all this mess is if they put out a well made RDR1 remake/remaster along with a next gen version of RDR2. I think most of the community would appreciate it over another RDO update which has all the chances in the world of being terrible or unfinished.

 

The best part IF they remaster RDR1, they could time jump and ad more modern stuff!

[Zapper]

2 hours ago, Nerfgoth said:

Yes, I can! But I did not take away anything! Just limited how fast you can get around the map. There is only two ways to get around in RDO. Using your horse or fast travel. All other ways requires that you steal said means of transportation.

You were talking about GTAO in that part though, not RDO.

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One of the differences between GTAO and RDO is that GTAO has a much wider range of means of transportation. So lets say we remove all cars bikes and everything that flies with ten cars that looks different but got same top speed and same handling and do the same with planes and choppers. People would be bored after a week after being disappointed that there is no variation on the stuff.

Like most MMOs and MMO-lites, GTAO is repetitive but its traversal variety is one of it's strongest assets. It's fluid, accessible but fairly complex if you want to delve deeper into it and has got pretty much everything for everyone. That is one of the core reasons behind it's long-lasting appeal.

But for RDO, there's not much you can add to a relatively grounded game set in 1898. It'll be inherently slow paced no matter what you do. Drivable carriages are already in the game and those will not. Players will forget Hot Air Balloons within a minute of being added to the game. Bicycles could probably work, but that mostly wouldn't change the dynamic. Even the cars from that era are not that either, and the map is not at all designed for that kind of transportation anyway. Boats are also not very useful for the most part, similar to GTAO in that regard.

 

In my opinion, RDO's gameplay and pacing were better suited to a more sim-like, hardcore survival game. That probably would've worked better than the GTAO: Wild West approach.

 

2 hours ago, Nerfgoth said:

The best part IF they remaster RDR1, they could time jump and ad more modern stuff!

I don't think they'll do anything substantial for RDO anymore whether they remaster RDR1 or not. I could be wrong, but it's very clear that the overwhelming majority at Rockstar is completely focused on VI at this moment and GTAO isn't going anywhere, especially with the new current gen ports. Honestly, we'd be lucky to even get a proper RDR1 remaster, with a remake being a pipe-dream.

[Nerfgoth]

11 minutes ago, Zapper said:

I don't think they'll do anything substantial for RDO anymore whether they remaster RDR1 or not. I could be wrong, but it's very clear that the overwhelming majority at Rockstar is completely focused on VI at this moment and GTAO isn't going anywhere, especially with the new current gen ports. Honestly, we'd be lucky to even get a proper RDR1 remaster, with a remake being a pipe-dream.

 

If they don´t do maybe a third party will do as they did with GTA definitive edition.... But then it wouldn´t be added to RDO as you say...

 

Maybe the reason we don´t get anything is all the debacle about crunch time!

17 minutes ago, Zapper said:

You were talking about GTAO in that part though, not RDO.

 

It was a comparison nothing more....

[Zapper]

1 hour ago, Nerfgoth said:

If they don´t do maybe a third party will do as they did with GTA definitive edition

I don't think Rockstar will let a third party studio tackle a RAGE game. It'll almost certainly be done in-house.