A Note/Update from Rockstar regarding the Trilogy Definitive Edition

[IzzyBlues]

2 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

 

Wait, hold on. People can have two different thoughts in their heads at the same time. The first being that harassment and assault are bad things AND the second is to attack the work itself, or even the integrity of the companies involved in said work. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

 

So, yes, to paraphrase your thought above, Harassing the devs is bad, buuuuuuut...I still stand by my statement that the launch of this iteration of the Trilogy is garbage, probably with some decent moments and a few good upgrades. Yes, both of those things can be true at the same time.

This is a perfectly acceptable and valid point. However, you have apparently been here since 2003 so you should know more than anyone, that a lot of people here, especially as of recently cannot make or don't know how to make that distinction. Let alone behave in a civilized manner.

[AIGAMER]

1 minute ago, arisfelbonilla said:

And there is the price being 3 games, I really don't know if it was a game there, but 3

yes the price for 3 games perspective I get it! I wouldn't be complaining if all three games were fully functional and working as intended instead they seem to  be a gift that keeps giving full of bugs and glitches cut content! I'm surprised nobodies had a epileptic seizure from the rain, go watch some YouTube videos they've completely butchered the classics man! and I'm supposed to feel happy about them supposedly fixing just some of these issues? and $60 cancel culture needs to start cancelling this type of behaviour because it's unacceptable, but hey it's just a video game. 

[Lexiture]

20 minutes ago, arisfelbonilla said:

Do you think we deserve more games or a gta 6 for these attitudes? because those harassment is already going overboard

 

Deserve? They are not Santa. We pay for it.

 

And yes we do, the next installment of the most profitable entertainment product of all time better be f*cking good.

[Havi]

13 minutes ago, ZaxxerDog said:

You don't understand why? Really? Whenever the quality drops the more "toxic" voices will grow stronger simply because people get pissed at things. And sadly there is plenty of things to get pissed about, just some examples of varying importance:

- Take Two periodically attacking mods / modders. It's been going on for years now with no sign of it ever stopping.

- GTA Online's exploitative business model.

- The GTAO cheating situation on PC.

- No single player DLC for GTA 5.

- Low quality content updates for GTAO.

- Bad ports of old games to newer consoles.

- Now the DE Trilogy getting released as a defective product.

 

Rockstar used to be this shining example you could just look up to in a sense. Sure, most of their games were janky but they also pushed boundaries and constantly expanded on what's possible in an open world game and you always got really high quality stuff in the end. Lately? Not so much and that affects fan communities, just look at Blizzard if you want a comparison.

 

I hear you. But now comes to question. After all that you went through, and others that feel the same as you, what makes you stay and want to rant about anything that Rockstar produces?

Aren't you tired of the company? What is the motivation behind giving them attention or being involved with the community and to stay around with each release? What is your goal?

 

It sounds like to me that you have no interest in any of this anymore of all the things they did which you and other don't appreciate or see any good in the current and future

Edited November 19, 2021 by Havi

[Chazza354]

I'm satisfied with this response. I know it's essentially a PR damage limitation thing and more of a response to IGN's review than the fans themselves, but this is as much as they could realistically do. The launch should have never been this bad, they can't turn back the clock, and this message shows they are aware of the backlash and are committed to fixing it. It will be interesting to see what these fixes look like, but it's a good start.

 

Adding the classic versions back to storefronts is great too, I just hope they release them back on Steam as well as RGL, and the fact they are only available as a bundle isn't ideal, but giving them to owners of the DE is a nice touch that I appreciate.

[El Dorado]

also this "update in the works" this talk without anything to back it it's just that, talk

 

for example, it's too hard to release a small patch now that at the very least stop resetting our settings? this same article accompanied by said patch would have much more weight to it

Edited November 19, 2021 by El Dorado

[zanesix]

3 minutes ago, Havi said:

I hear you. But now comes to question. After all that you went through, and others that feel the same as you, what makes you stay and want to rant about anything that Rockstar produces?

Aren't you tired of the company? What is the motivation behind giving them attention or being involved with the community? What is your goal?

 

It sounds like to me that you have no interest in any of this anymore of all the things they did which you and other don't appreciate and like anymore

Because they love this series and don't want to see it suffer, and have the balls to speak up about things that annoy them? Don't see how one should affect the other. You can still like a product while being unhappy with what the people behind it are doing to it. Just taking your ball and going home because they do some unlikeable things isn't very productive. People should always make their voices heard.

[ZaxxerDog]

4 minutes ago, Havi said:

 

I hear you. But now comes to question. After all that you went through, and others that feel the same as you, what makes you stay and want to rant about anything that Rockstar produces?

Aren't you tired of the company? What is the motivation behind giving them attention or being involved with the community? What is your goal?

 

It sounds like to me that you have no interest in any of this anymore of all the things they did which you and other don't appreciate and like anymore

That might be where things end up for a lot of people but it's a process with certain stages I feel. People just want to process their disappointment in a community, they want to be part of the voice that expresses anger because they hope that in numbers they might be able to affect certain outcomes. If that doesn't work then they eventually just move on and that's the other thing: this is a large community with a number of "subcommunities" so for a lot of people this DE Trilogy release will be the first time they experience Rockstar's newfound incompetence.

[Need For Madness Auto]

 

[PatteDeFruit]

The best they can do is to somehow limit the damages, but i'm afraid this won't be enough, even with the talented modders out there
Even if they do their best to fix this mess, it will still be a poor copy of the original version ported from mobiles.

The only good thing about this whole mess is the Classics coming back to stores and being offered to all those who preordered

[uNi]

20 minutes ago, Ash_735 said:

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We allow people on the forums to speak their mind, there's plenty of topics for that around and R* reads them, so that's enough for me.

 

As for GTANet articles/tweets or whatever, I don't give paid for the time I waste here, so I talk about what I want really. Same goes for any staff member on the team, I don't go around forcing them to push narratives on the community. As long it's a civil discussion anything goes for me.

 

As for modding, we did share DE modding stuff on our twitter.

 

 

 

 

[ChiroVette]

16 minutes ago, IzzyBlues said:

This is a perfectly acceptable and valid point. However, you have apparently been here since 2003 so you should know more than anyone, that a lot of people here, especially as of recently cannot make or don't know how to make that distinction. Let alone behave in a civilized manner.

 

Agreed. However, can we agree that there is a difference between your garden variety loose cannons that often populate these forums and those who resort to actual harassment, such as death threats and publishing dev personal information? Sure, there are rules against flaming, and many of the people around here try to skirt those forum edicts. But even that doesn't quite rise to the level of what some of the lunatics on Twitter and other social media sites do. Here, people often speak in wild hyperbole, and flaming-disparaging statements. Which, at that point, the mods can decide if they need to step in. But while we are talking about this, can we also agree that while many of the keyboard jockeys here are a little foul-mouthed and OTT, they are still not the same as the actual felons who make real threats?

[Need For Madness Auto]

 

Ivaneh Server Creator for FiveM

[Havi]

Just now, zanesix said:

Because they love this series and don't want to see it suffer, and have the balls to speak up about things that annoy them? Don't see how one should affect the other. You can still like a product while being unhappy with what the people behind it are doing to it. Just taking your ball and going home because they do some unlikeable things isn't very productive. People should always make their voices heard.

 

That is a very weak reason. To who exactly are you applying this reasoning to?
"Because they love this series and don't want to see it suffer."

 

So you are saying that people who harass, talk sh*t about the company day in day out, spread negativity and sh*t talk anything that comes our way all do this because they love the franchise?
What kind of mentality is that? This very specific group keep saying the same stuff over and over again for several years. What do you think the outcome will be?

You can try to throw any argument and reasoning towards me but nothing will justify this toxic behavior. These people make it very difficult for themselves and try to bring others along their journey. Why don't these people just pack their bags and don't consume any of Rockstars their product anymore and move on? Because apparently with the list you provided, nothing has changed ever since. Then why keep trying? Why stay around if all they did is just f*ck up?

 

I think you are misunderstanding the part of making your voice heard. Action can also be taken without consuming their products. That impacts the company way more than the sh*t that this specific group of people have been doing.

I just want to kindly remind you that this is just a small portion or otherwise more than 50% won't consume any of Rockstar's products anymore just to make them heard.

 

What we did the last 9 days, has been a rollercoaster of emotions for everyone. Some people went too far. Some people spend their love and care into the game to report issues AS IT SHOULD BE to help out.

 

[ZaxxerDog]

3 minutes ago, PatteDeFruit said:

The best they can do is to somehow limit the damages, but i'm afraid this won't be enough, even with the talented modders out there
Even if they do their best to fix this mess, it will still be a poor copy of the original version ported from mobiles.

I don't see why the fact that the remasters were ported from mobile should be a nail in the coffin honestly. Those mobile changes are not set in stone, they just have to actually care enough to dig into that code and revert some changes back to how things were on PS2. It doesn't have to be based on PS2, it just has to feel like if that was the case. And really as funny as that may sound the community did the QA work in a week for that to be a realistic goal.

[Kirsty]

30 minutes ago, Ash_735 said:

uNi you have to admit from an outsider's pov it constantly looks odd how GTANet will instantly post about the positive things and whatever Rockstar wants to promote but when it comes to major issues against the community or consumers, somehow, GTANet takes two to three weeks to mention it in their page.

 

It often feels like this place is scared to post first and wants to wait for other websites to post instead.

 

In the past week we've got reviews, talks about how bad these versions are and straight up swinging into how the modding community is already releasing fixes, sidenote that people making these mods want to avoid GTANet for reasons.

 

I regret my part in souring our relationship with the modding community, but some of your expectations for what "we" should be doing are kinda unrealistic and exaggerated. Our biggest success is these forums, the open space we have here means GTANet does speak first on all Rockstar's issues because GTANet = the community. Do you not remember the backlash when we tweeted something that the rest of you didn't agree with? That's what happens if we put our (staff) opinions on the timeline. We have learned It is much better for us to encourage discussion on our actual platform and let the feedback speak for itself, and use our personal accounts and posts for opinions instead. With that said, I have already stated a factual article has been in the works during this week, real life does come first though.

[Need For Madness Auto]

MadlytheGreat & Dayashi user are expecting a apology video just like CDPR did 

[CynicalMexican]

So here's my take on this situation.

 

In my opinion, it's kinda obvious Grove Street Games were put in between a rock and a hard place. They did some great work, but it's so obvious that they had little time to debug the game due to T2's emphasis on the crunch and its plan to expand its pipeline. These games should've been pushed back to April-June 2022. With that timespan and an October announcement, fans would've been able to gestate and give more feedback to the devs and it would've been on point.

 

So, it's rich that Rockstar is telling fans to not harass the devs while setting them up to fail in the first place. Only now they take responsibility in this mess.

 

I've said it a million times and many others - don't harass the devs, and don't form virtual lynch mobs to those who don't buy into the hate. It's made the community extremely toxic. Feedback and criticism is great and it's good to see R* being humiliated, but let's remember this is a gaming release, no one needs to die over this, lol.

 

Moreover, I don't expect Rockstar to do a whole lot except bring back the old games and fix these remasters. No new content. Just fixing these games and having no game breaking bugs. Probably make it easier to mod as well so the community can gradually do their magic.

 

Finally, it's nice that Rockstar is COMMUNICATING for once. Their lack of humility in this regard has done nothing but make the situation progressively worse. They need to stop wanking themselves off to online content and start being BETTER.

 

Hopefully, these games get fixed and are playable. The modding community gets better at adding new stuff to the game, and maybe these remaster becomes celebrated and back from the dead like Final Fantasy XIV, No Man's Sky, or Fallout 76. But it's sad it came to this.

[Spider-Vice]

2 minutes ago, uNi said:

As for modding, we did share DE modding stuff on our twitter.

We also have one of the most active research platforms for the DE right now, which had more users viewing it than the actual trilogy forums at one point this week, in a dedicated topic in the modding section, allow posts in the showroom, have highlighted someone's tutorials in the tutorials forum, along with a dedicated directory for each. 

[SageFan]

Who cares if people say bad things about C*? 

[IzzyBlues]

2 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

But while we are talking about this, can we also agree that while many of the keyboard jockeys here are a little foul-mouthed and OTT, they are still not the same as the actual felons who make real threats?

I don't know. I really want to, but from what I have seen over the past few years it makes it very hard not to. This is what I was talking about before, with a silent majority of people that say retarded sh*t, who don't carry out with real threats, but are probably okay with it in one way or another in their minds, because they're too pussy to do it themselves.

 

You have to remember, a lot of what people here are saying about harassment is veiled. Also, the certain people who were posting certain images a little while back makes it so much harder to emphasize with these people. If you want proof, just read the John Marston hair thread. It's filled with the rhetoric I'm trying to point out.

[zanesix]

1 minute ago, Havi said:

So you are saying that people who harass, talk sh*t about the company day in day out, spread negativity and sh*t talk anything that comes our way all do this because they love the franchise?

Who said anything about harassment? Being critical and harrassing devs is not the same thing. Of course I'm not defending that, I'm defending people being able to speak up and say "hey, this is a steaming pile of sh*t and should be fixed or we're gonna have a problem", and they do that out of hard love.

 

3 minutes ago, Havi said:

What kind of mentality is that? This very specific group keep saying the same stuff over and over again for several years. What do you think the outcome will be?

Well so far, the outcome is that we got the original games back! So I would say the outcome is pretty good so far, but there's still a way to go. If people just stayed silent and consumed while believing that R* can do no wrong you can bet your ass we wouldn't have gotten this statement. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

5 minutes ago, Havi said:

Why don't these people just pack their bags and don't consume any of Rockstars their product anymore and move on? Because apparently with the list you provided, nothing has changed ever since. Then why keep trying? Why stay around if all they did is just f*ck up?

Because they care too much. I refuse to see another one of my favorite franchise get lost to greed. I will vote with my wallet and I will always call out every sh*tty decision they make. That will never change. Packing my bags and abandoning them is not something I'm willing to do when they can still very much turn things around if people throw enough of a fit and tank their stock price down enough.

[TheSantader25]

I'll reserve judgement on this apology until I see actual ACTIONS R*. We'll see what happens.

[AIGAMER]

11 minutes ago, Havi said:

that is a very weak reason. To who exactly are you applying this reasoning to?
"Because they love this series and don't want to see it suffer."

 

So you are saying that people who harass, talk sh*t about the company day in day out, spread negativity and sh*t talk anything that comes our way all do this because they love the franchise?
What kind of mentality is that? This very specific group keep saying the same stuff over and over again for several years. What do you think the outcome will be?

You can try to throw any argument and reasoning towards me but nothing will justify this toxic behavior. These people make it very difficult for themselves and try to bring others along their journey. Why don't these people just pack their bags and don't consume any of Rockstars their product anymore and move on? Because apparently with the list you provided, nothing has changed ever since. Then why keep trying? Why stay around if all they did is just f*ck up?

 

I think you are misunderstanding the part of making your voice heard. Action can also be taken without consuming their products. That impacts the company way more than the sh*t that this specific group of people have been doing.

I just want to kindly remind you that this is just a small portion or otherwise more than 50% won't consume any of Rockstar's products anymore just to make them heard.

Did i just read this correctly? so everybody must be passive, allowing of this type of behaviour in other words, then when you speak up and voice your opinion and it doesn't corelate with somebody else's opinion it's labelled toxic because you have a difference in opinion, have you ever watched a football game harvi? people have a lot more enthusiasm expressing their opinions but yet they show up to every football game? the logic in what you wrote is a little rich "Because they love this series and don't want to see it suffer." is not weak reasoning. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by AIGAMER

[ChiroVette]

3 minutes ago, IzzyBlues said:

I don't know. I really want to, but from what I have seen over the past few years it makes it very hard not to. This is what I was talking about before, with a silent majority of people that say retarded sh*t, who don't carry out with real threats, but are probably okay with it in one way or another in their minds, because they're too pussy to do it themselves.

 

You have to remember, a lot of what people here are saying about harassment is veiled. Also, the certain people who were posting certain images a little while back makes it so much harder to emphasize with these people. If you want proof, just read the John Marston hair thread. It's filled with the rhetoric I'm trying to point out.

 

I see your point. I don't personally speak that way, and I like to conduct myself with a modicum of civility at all times, even in disagreement and even when I am very angry with the antics of a company I buy products from. But at the end of the day, this is the Internet, and keyboard warriors do abound. So long as its just words, I think the sad truth is that we have to live with it and accept it. Unless, of course the mods decide to take action against TOS violations in the forums.

[(Vip)Met]

14 minutes ago, Need For Madness Auto said:

 

Ivaneh Server Creator for FiveM

You know Ivaneh for the FiveM server? Wow I feel old... I know him for the videos with GTAMissions and NextGen GTA...

[Havi]

12 minutes ago, zanesix said:

Who said anything about harassment? Being critical and harrassing devs is not the same thing

 

Just to clarify, I'm not only talking about people harassing developers. I'm talking about THIS community harassing other community members who speak well and positive about Rockstar and their products. But it seems like everyone is avoiding that statement when I mention it.
 

12 minutes ago, zanesix said:

Because they care too much. I refuse to see another one of my favorite franchise get lost to greed. I will vote with my wallet and I will always call out every sh*tty decision they make. That will never change. Packing my bags and abandoning them is not something I'm willing to do when they can still very much turn things around if people throw enough of a fit and tank their stock price down enough.

 

And I get that, 10000%. If you are a big fan of a franchise or a game, the company gets the full package from the customer, and I mean by that emotions, feedback, and criticism. But with the way this community has been acting isn't right. It just isn't.

You know, me having this conversation with you is pretty much useless because you have your emotions about all of this and so do I. But there needs to be a middle ground where there's still respect and decency instead of all this.

 

I don't know. There is nothing anyone can do. We will just endlessly debate about all of this. Because to you the company isn't doing the right thing and you have your dislikes, and the other part is appreciative of what's available and help them fix the game along the way and if one doesn't like it, they don't participate in it. Share their thoughts about it and call it a day and not endlessly go after people and sh*t talk to other community members because someone has a positive view about Rockstar or the game

Edited November 19, 2021 by Havi

[MeatSafeMurderer]

1 hour ago, King Vercetti said:

People are legitimately defending attacking devs

I'm not about to defend harassing developers. What I am going to do is politely remind everyone that this is a company that has been going around harassing people in the mod community, sending private investigators to their homes, and effectively doxxing them in court documents by revealing their identities. Them getting prissy over harassment is pretty f*cking hypocritical given their actions in recent years.

[Need For Madness Auto]

4 minutes ago, (Vip)Met said:

You know Ivaneh for the FiveM server? Wow I feel old... I know him for the videos with GTAMissions and NextGen GTA...

 

I don't know them personally but I do know GTAMissions used to watch their content back in the day (2015). Also Neasky,GTAHQHD if anyone remembers  

[GetMeADJ]

Plain and simple: The game was rushed because T2, not GSG nor R*.

The big heads in the corporate side of T2 want money, they don't know sh*t about games or the making process of them. Rockstar would never release it if T2 weren't pressuring them to do so.

 

Look what happened to CP2077 and No Man's Sky. They were released not because the game was ready, but because of pure pressure.

 

A year later and CP2077 is almost playable.

No Man's Sky after all these years is finally what it was supposed to be from the start.

Edited November 19, 2021 by GetMeADJ