A Note/Update from Rockstar regarding the Trilogy Definitive Edition

[IzzyBlues]

13 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

a small minority.

Except it's not. People fail to realize just how much harassment goes to the devs. And then you have people in this thread literally prefacing the classic "harassing the devs is bad, buuuuuuuut..." with a statement saying how bad the remasters are and how they didn't get the game they wanted and shrugging it off as if it's no surprise <- this is a veiled justification for the harassment against devs.

 

Nobody EVER seems to recognize this. There are the people who carry out the acts of harassment themselves, and then there are a silent majority here who think it's borderline acceptable by using these prefaces. And then all of you get offended and upset when Spider-Vice and the other admins point out this behaviour and lump everyone together.

 

No matter how sh*t the DE is. Harassment is bad. Full stop. It's a f*cking video game at the end of the day. No video game is ever worth death threats, doxxing and god knows what else the rest of these stupid f*cks like to do.

Edited November 19, 2021 by IzzyBlues

[RedDagger]

9 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

I didn't see anyone defending harrassing the devs. They're just trying to explain how criticism and harrasment are disctintive things, or how the harassers are a small minority. It's a very simple concept. If you don't understand it's because you don't want to.

There's no need to make that distinction, since the waters weren't muddied in the first place - all that was said was "some devs are being harassed, please be civil", a perfectly uncontroversial thing to ask for. Whether the people doing the harassment are a minority doesn't matter, they can still asked to be civil; gamers aren't being chided for the faults of a few, they're not sneering at criticisms using harassment as a cover. All this muddying of the message received does is try to either play down the harassment, or worse, say the devs deserve it one way or another.

[Need For Madness Auto]

2 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said:

Well that was unexpected for sure...they actually are apologizing?

Because

 

[Jimmy]

2 minutes ago, Moth said:

How? How is that interesting? It's to be expected.

 

 

The fact is, Rockstar f*cked up massively. First they DMCA/C+D mods that could compete against their sh*tty remaster, then removed the OG versions of the games, and then released a terrible f*cking remaster. 

 

You want to know how to make things right? Refund everyone's f*cking money for this piece of sh*t. Stop trying to f*ck over modders, fire Grove Street Games and then make a proper remake of at least GTA III that isn't done by the cheapest dev you can find. Then maybe the community should forgive you.

I called it intersting in a matter the outrage being "expected". The fact that they thought of f*cking up decades of modding and then deciding to charge for remasters right after is pretty much naive. Not like anyone in such a huge MNC would have predicted this. They must have. Instead they chose to be ignorant. This is exactly the only thing that would have happened. They'll keep milking people rather than do something right by the community. Sad but true.

 

People bought it (The Trilogy) for consoles are still just gonna be screwed and have to deal with not getting the free-classic titles in the Launcher. Seems a bit unfair to me downtime or otherwise. 

 

GSG did as minimal work as possible (be it rather lack of time/resources and skill or desire to actual do quality work) with actual lack of dedicated QA for feedback and must have let the AI do the upscaling (quality control is lacking hard; bugs section is the evidence).

 

The only thing accepting this behavior is going to do is continue to show developers that people were perfectly fine buying a half baked game. No one should want these updates. Everyone should be forcing them to refund.

[Badman_]

3 minutes ago, IzzyBlues said:

Except it's not. People fail to realize just how much harassment goes to the devs. And then you have people in this thread literally prefacing the classic "harassing the devs is bad, buuuuuuuut..." with a statement saying how bad the remasters are and how they didn't get the game they wanted and shrugging it off as if it's no surprise <- this is a veiled justification for the harassment against devs.

 

Nobody EVER seems to recognize this. There are the people who carry out the acts of harassment themselves, and then there are a silent majority here who think it's borderline acceptable by using these prefaces. And then all of you get offended and upset when Spider-Vice and the other admins point out this behaviour and lump everyone together.

 

No matter how sh*t the DE is. Harassment is bad. Full stop. It's a f*cking video game at the end of the day. No video game is ever worth death threats, doxxing and god knows what else the rest of these stupid f*cks like to do.

 

Harassing the developers is obviously a terrible action and can't be ignored. But this does not exclude the weight of Rockstar mess and their fault. I feel like these are two different subjects which shouldn't be overlaped by one another. That's all.

[Mattineu]

Only hope i have, is if they never let Wardrum even touch their games anymore. Wardrum doesn't has any talent or passion in their projects, their work for Rockstar just put another stain on the GTA Franchise, and don't forget that RE3 and REVC died for this horrible remake.

[Havi]

21 minutes ago, King Vercetti said:

What the hell happened to this community? An awful lot of you need to take a step back and seriously gauge how you’re acting right now. I don’t think I’ve ever felt this disappointed in a community as a whole, and I can only imagine how the mods are feeling having to sift through all this crap. 
 

People are legitimately defending attacking devs, acting like it’s ok to bully others online because it’s “what gamers do”, and overall acting in the most ridiculous toxic ways I’ve ever seen on this forum. Good grief, it’s ok to be unhappy with these releases. It’s ok to share your experiences. It’s NOT ok to harass others and treat everyone like sh*t. 

Ever since GTA V got released (TO MY EXPERIENCE), everything in this community has gone downhill. I did the exact same at the beginning of GTA V. I helped with the modding scene. Moderated for OpenIV, be active with the community and ever since this community has become extremely toxic. I just can't understand why.

 

I just don't get why people have the need to stick around despite them making all these claims that Rockstar Games/Take-Two are the worst companies in the world and no one should play or spend money on their products. It's constant negativity, never ending. I genuinely feel bad for anyone who is reasonable.

People who enjoy Rockstar their games, are getting sh*t on. Called out, Harassed on social media because their opinion doesn't suit them. It's insane and sickening to me.
I think some people need to look at the bigger picture than just this forum and their own opinion about the game(s). It's far worse than people realize if one cares to dig and look deeper into this.

 

Same thing with people sh*tting on GTAForums because they don't post articles about how "broken" the game is. How "f*cked up" Rockstar is. That they are "bootlickers".
Comes down to everyone who appreciate or is positive in their own way gets sh*t on. This community is toxic.

 

[Killerman29]

They should remove all DMCA against mods too, and leave take two

[Lock n' Stock]

At the end of the day, Rockstar can make all the "we're sorry" posts they want. However, it's absolutely meaningless if they don't fix this sh*t to a substantial degree, and it's going to take a LOT of work to make it even remotely acceptable. If I'm honest, I don't really trust them at all to make this right. One thing to remember is they still released it in this state, when it should have been more than obvious it was barely a functionable product.

 

As far as personally harassing the developers is concerned, truly pathetic behaviour and shame on you if you condone that sh*t.

[AIGAMER]

 

 

6 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

Harassment is bad. Full stop. It's a f*cking video game at the end of the day. No video game is ever worth death threats, doxxing and god knows what else the rest of these stupid f*cks like to do.

 

like i've said i don't condone it but welcome to the real world buddy! you sell somebody a broken item expect the buyer to be pissed off! no video game especially a broken remaster is worth $60-$70 

Edited November 19, 2021 by AIGAMER

[arisfelbonilla]

53 minutes ago, SoulStorm64 said:

Quiero decir ... reconocieron que seguirán trabajando para solucionar problemas. en lugar de enojarse ahora, ¿qué tal si se enoja más tarde si en realidad no hacen nada más que la mayoría de las fallas gráficas que ocurren? Estoy disfrutando de los juegos, pero estoy de acuerdo en que necesitan mucho más trabajo. Si hay algo de lo que estar molesto sería si no solucionan los problemas importantes después de hacer una declaración como esta. No se puede culpar a los desarrolladores cuando responden a la única persona que definitivamente presionó para que esto salga y todos ustedes memen.  

 

The rockstar or gaming community in general is super toxic and hypocritical, I don't fit everyone in the same bag, but
Do you think we deserve more games or a gta 6 for these attitudes? because those harassment is already going overboard

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

Harassing the developers is obviously a terrible action and can't be ignored. But this does not exclude the weight of Rockstar mess and their fault. I feel like these are two different subjects which shouldn't be overlaped by one another. That's all.

 

You're absolutely correct, these are two separate matters that should be dealt with individually. However, there are a small vocal minority who are using the mess of the DE trilogy to somehow, in a roundabout way, justify the abuse, or dismiss the seriousness of some of the more serious examples.

 

That's the only issue I have ever had with all this mess since the launch. I mean, I've put my money where my mouth is so to speak, I've not bought the DE trilogy and have no plans to until (or if) it's fixed up to a level I expect from R*, so I'm not part of the "problem" there. It's really just peoples inability to separate criticism towards a game and/or the company behind that game with individual attacks, insults and abuse be it towards other members of the forum or individual members of the development team.

 

We're all (well, almost all I imagine) adults. We all should be intelligent and mature enough to be able to discuss things or get our opinions across without personal attacks, abuse or just general ad hominem. I genuinely don't think it's asking for a lot at all lol.

[IzzyBlues]

14 hours ago, AIGAMER said:

 

 

 

like i've said i don't condone it but welcome to the real world buddy! you sell somebody a broken item expect the buyer to be pissed off! no video game especially a broken remaster is worth $60-$70 

lmao. Thank you for proving my point "AIGAMER".

 

 

Edited November 20, 2021 by IzzyBlues

[Ash_735]

35 minutes ago, uNi said:

 

- I literally opened a board just for users to post DE bugs.

- Kirsty is working on a article about the launch, she wants to get her facts straight and proper sources and that's fine with me.

- We kept the situation on the launcher updated, shared reviews.

 

We will not make a tweet/article every time someone founds a og bug or f*cked up texture, we have r* intel for that already.

uNi you have to admit from an outsider's pov it constantly looks odd how GTANet will instantly post about the positive things and whatever Rockstar wants to promote but when it comes to major issues against the community or consumers, somehow, GTANet takes two to three weeks to mention it in their page.

 

It often feels like this place is scared to post first and wants to wait for other websites to post instead.

 

In the past week we've got reviews, talks about how bad these versions are and straight up swinging into how the modding community is already releasing fixes, sidenote that people making these mods want to avoid GTANet for reasons.

[SoulStorm64]

1 minute ago, arisfelbonilla said:

The rockstar or gaming community in general is super toxic and hypocritical, I don't fit everyone in the same bag, but
Do you think we deserve more games or a gta 6 for these attitudes? because those harassment is already going overboard

 

The attitude is not going to change, there will always be people that go overboard when reacting, but deserve more? i think the consumer should not have to put up with a half baked product. but i'm honestly not looking forward to 6 and haven't been in awhile since all of the main people from rockstar are gone so i'm not the best person to ask. that whole situation is a we will see i guess type of deal how that goes. From personal experience working in QA i'd say internally i would not feel very happy with the release. and i'm sure alot of the QA at Rockstar are feeling pretty disappointed about the state of the release. the only difference is you need to keep the happy face on to save your own job. Because at the end of the day they are just trying to make a living, & they don't have a say in when a product is released. it just depends on how they view the product internally which seals its fate....

[AIGAMER]

1 minute ago, arisfelbonilla said:

Do you think we deserve more games or a gta 6 for these attitudes? because those harassment is already going overboard

I think you need to come back down to earth my friend, have you seen the gaming industry as of today? battlefield2042 unfinished but released at full price cyberpunk unfinished but released at full price, GTA trilogy unfinished and released at full price every game seems to be unfinished and released at full price, then you're met with ignorance and rude little fanboys harassing others about how they can't afford a good system to play these games on or how they can't afford the game and then you get naïve individuals who condone this type of behaviour from the game devs and companies as you can see in this forum. I don't want GTA6 i just want a good solid game that works and is worth the buck! 

[Antaxi]

Fair decision.

[BadaBing_1996]

2 hours ago, ClaudeSpeed1911 said:

So you expect me to believe that someone played GTA3, saw the rain clipping through the police enforcer, and thought this isn't a bug? Or how about the rain being f*cked to hell and back?

 

Rockstar, your bullsh*t doesn't work on me. You fully knew what this release is going to be like and no I don't blame Grove Street devs for this clusterf*ck piece of garbage of a product. I am 100% sure they knew about all the issues but couldn't do much due to how small their studio is and the strict deadline for release.

 

Only way to make this right is to relist the classics on steam and other stores like psn and MS, drop the bullsh*t lawsuit against re3 team and apologize to them.

 

What a shameful company you have become. No wonder so many of the original heads have left.

Couldn't have said it any better, this reeks of the same PR sweet nothings from the likes of CD Projekt Red.

[ragesje]

Ok so I quite dont get this part

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We will be adding the classic PC versions of Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas back to the Rockstar Store shortly as a bundle. Additionally, everyone who has purchased Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition for PC from the Rockstar Store through June 30, 2022, will receive these classic versions in their Rockstar Games Launcher library at no additional cost. We will update everyone as soon as these are back in the Rockstar Store.

 

So if we bought DEFINITIVE before june 30th 2022, we wont be getting these classic games for free?

Or im missing something here?

[arisfelbonilla]

22 minutes ago, AIGAMER said:

Creo que necesitas volver a la tierra, amigo mío, ¿has visto la industria del juego hasta el día de hoy? battlefield2042 inacabado pero lanzado a precio completo cyberpunk inacabado pero lanzado a precio completo, trilogía de GTA inacabada y lanzada a precio completo cada juego parece estar inacabado y lanzado a precio completo, entonces te encuentras con ignorancia y pequeños fanboys groseros acosando a otros sobre cómo no pueden permitirse un buen sistema para jugar a estos juegos o cómo no pueden permitirse el juego y luego hay personas ingenuas que toleran este tipo de comportamiento por parte de los desarrolladores de juegos y las empresas, como puede ver en este foro. ¡No quiero GTA6, solo quiero un buen juego sólido que funcione y que valga la pena! 

I am aware of what is happening as battlefield XD
And there is the price being 3 games, I really don't know if it was a game there, but 3

Edited November 19, 2021 by arisfelbonilla

[Badman_]

29 minutes ago, RedDagger said:

There's no need to make that distinction, since the waters weren't muddied in the first place - all that was said was "some devs are being harassed, please be civil", a perfectly uncontroversial thing to ask for. Whether the people doing the harassment are a minority doesn't matter, they can still asked to be civil; gamers aren't being chided for the faults of a few, they're not sneering at criticisms using harassment as a cover. All this muddying of the message received does is try to either play down the harassment, or worse, say the devs deserve it one way or another.

 

There's also the other side of the coin to my point, which is people who can't understand the limits between criticism and harassment and end up crossing the line between the two. People who think it's okay to send death threats, offenses etc. because their product is broken. This is obviously inexcusable at any circumstance. But once again, I think this is a different matter to the one of Rockstar and all the Trilogy issues.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Wolfman_

[Spider-Vice]

2 minutes ago, ragesje said:

So if we bought DEFINITIVE before june 30th 2022, we wont be getting these classic games for free?

 

The other way around. Everyone who buys the DE until 30th June 2022 gets the originals for free.

[ragesje]

Just now, Spider-Vice said:

The other way around. Everyone who buys the DE until 30th June 2022 gets the originals for free.

So im getting free copy?

I already have them on steam... jesus ok

[ZaxxerDog]

15 minutes ago, Havi said:

Ever since GTA V got released (TO MY EXPERIENCE), everything in this community has gone downhill. I did the exact same at the beginning of GTA V. I helped with the modding scene. Moderated for OpenIV, be active with the community and ever since this community has become extremely toxic. I just can't understand why.

You don't understand why? Really? Whenever the quality drops the more "toxic" voices will grow stronger simply because people get pissed at things. And sadly there is plenty of things to get pissed about, just some examples of varying importance:

- Take Two periodically attacking mods / modders. It's been going on for years now with no sign of it ever stopping.

- GTA Online's exploitative business model.

- The GTAO cheating situation on PC.

- No single player DLC for GTA 5.

- Low quality content updates for GTAO.

- Bad ports of old games to newer consoles.

- Now the DE Trilogy getting released as a defective product.

 

Rockstar used to be this shining example you could just look up to in a sense. Sure, most of their games were janky but they also pushed boundaries and constantly expanded on what's possible in an open world game and you always got really high quality stuff in the end. Lately? Not so much and that affects fan communities, just look at Blizzard if you want a comparison.

[ChiroVette]

33 minutes ago, IzzyBlues said:

Except it's not. People fail to realize just how much harassment goes to the devs. And then you have people in this thread literally prefacing the classic "harassing the devs is bad, buuuuuuuut..." with a statement saying how bad the remasters are and how they didn't get the game they wanted and shrugging it off as if it's no surprise <- this is a veiled justification for the harassment against devs.

 

 

Wait, hold on. People can have two different thoughts in their heads at the same time. The first being that harassment and assault are bad things AND the second is to attack the work itself, or even the integrity of the companies involved in said work. The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

 

So, yes, to paraphrase your thought above, Harassing the devs is bad, buuuuuuut...I still stand by my statement that the launch of this iteration of the Trilogy is garbage, probably with some decent moments and a few good upgrades. Yes, both of those things can be true at the same time.

Edited November 19, 2021 by ChiroVette

[GhettoJesus]

Just now, ragesje said:

So im getting free copy?

I already have them on steam... jesus ok

Tbf it is not a bad initiative, the emphasis is on them returning the games to the stores anyways. Sadly it is just for RGL now.

[arisfelbonilla]

28 minutes ago, SoulStorm64 said:

 

La actitud no va a cambiar, siempre habrá gente que se exagere a la hora de reaccionar, ¿pero merecen más? Creo que el consumidor no debería tener que aguantar un producto a medio hornear. pero honestamente no estoy deseando que llegue el 6 y no lo he estado en un tiempo desde que todas las personas principales de rockstar se han ido, así que no soy la mejor persona para preguntar. Toda esa situación es un tipo de trato que veremos, supongo, ¿cómo va? Por experiencia personal trabajando en QA, diría internamente que no me sentiría muy feliz con el lanzamiento. y estoy seguro de que muchos de los QA de Rockstar se sienten bastante decepcionados por el estado del lanzamiento. la única diferencia es que necesita mantener la cara feliz para salvar su propio trabajo. Porque al final del día solo están tratando de ganarse la vida y no tienen voz sobre cuándo se lanza un producto.

Luckily I'm not in the group to demand gta 6 every day on twitter
because i value what rockstar does as red dead
If I have to wait more than 5 more years for the game then I have to wait
Right now the case of the trilogy I understand the situation a little even more, it is their fault for trusting grove street again
at least they apologized and promise to fix it, I'm fine with that

[RedDagger]

16 minutes ago, AIGAMER said:

like i've said i don't condone it but welcome to the real world buddy! you sell somebody a broken item expect the buyer to be pissed off! no video game especially a broken remaster is worth $60-$70 

That's cool and all but it doesn't excuse harassment - you do understand that the point being made here isn't "oh god oh f*ck where's this harassment coming from, this is unexpected!", but instead it's "harassment is bad, please don't do it", right? All I can read from posts like this is brushing it off, or teetering dangerously close to implying they deserve it - which I understand is quite the claim to make despite all the protests that no one here wants that, but when faced with something as direct as "there are people harassing devs, please don't do that" it's very hard to interpret the scramble to take offense to the statement as anything but.

[Zello]

[Need For Madness Auto]