A Note/Update from Rockstar regarding the Trilogy Definitive Edition

[SoulStorm64]

I mean... they acknowledged that they are going to continue to work on fixing issues. instead of getting angry now how about you get angry later if they don't actually do anything other than the majority of graphical glitches that occur. I'm enjoying the games but agree that they need a lot more work. if there is anything to be upset about it would be if they  dont fix major issues after making a statement like this. You can't blame developers when they are answering to the one person  who definitely pushed for this to go out & you guys all meme on.  

 

[ChiroVette]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Because part of the reason that type of behaviour is thriving in gaming communites right now is because of people dismissing it as simple internet trash talking.

 

"grow some thicker skin"

"it's just 12 year old kids lol"

 

Meanwhile we have countless examples out there on the net of the damage this stuff does to peoples mental health, including a frankly alarming amount of suicides.

 

And frankly, I've had enough of the handwaving and dismissing like it's not a big deal.

 

You're still making a false equivalency. On the one hand, you have people whose behavior rises to the level of genuine harassment and even things like death threats. That is the extreme end. Then you have the vast majority of people in this forum expressing their displeasure in varying degrees from reasonable, while keeping commentary on topic, like myself. Then you have those borderline people who are somewhere in between those two, who are more angry, trolling keyboard jockeys cursing up a storm, but are still mostly harmless.

 

I won't try to control anyone else's behavior but my own, and I certainly don't condone foul-mouthed cursing and calling professional people every four letter word name in the book. But neither will I say it is equivalent to the actual harassment of death threats of publishing the personal information of Rockstar or Take2 employees, or looking to physically assault them or something.

[kubon352]

I'm shocked. Hell has frozen. Rockstar apologies? 

[uNi]

26 minutes ago, Ash_735 said:

Do note that we're also on a forum that refused to acknowledge the brokenness of these versions. How come, once again, GTANet is the only website to not have an article out about this? Let me guess "Well other bigger websites have covered it so we didn't feel the need to".

 

- I literally opened a board just for users to post DE bugs.

- Kirsty is working on a article about the launch, she wants to get her facts straight and proper sources and that's fine with me.

- We kept the situation on the launcher updated, shared reviews.

 

We will not make a tweet/article every time someone founds a og bug or f*cked up texture, we have r* intel for that already.

[AIGAMER]

Let me spit in your food behind your back with a gameplay trailer which followed with no real actual gameplay footage, politely ask you to pay $60-$70 for three games you already have, then remove the original classics and replace them with a primitive version of what nobody asked for? with an upscaled mobile port, implement an embargo, sue the moddors for improving and customising the originals they deeply love  and adore just to eliminate competition prior to release then complain about devs being harassed no I don't condone the harassment but I also don't condone daylight robbery, and you expect people not to be pissed off about this, there are so many things wrong with R*stars approach in dealing with this "remaster" and they've been called out for it simple, so don't sit there defending them as if they're lining your pockets with money, because this is all about money. welcome to the real world. 

 

From reading through this forum I would never travel abroad with some of you even if it were a social experiment you wouldn't know your being scammed even if it were plain to see. 

[Alex106]

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We want to provide an update

I bet the reaction to these broken games was unexpected and that's why it took a week to provide an update/statement, right?

 

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unexpected technical issues

Ah yes, because it's not the norm to check if a game has issues before release/going gold right?

Note: i'm not blaming the GSG devs, just the higher ups at R*/T2 who decided it was a great idea to release the games in this state.

 

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The updated versions of these classic games did not launch in a state that meets our own standards of quality, or the standards our fans have come to expect.

Then why didn't the games get delayed like any other game that's not in a good state?

Oh, i know why: money.

 

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In the meantime, it pains us to mention that we are hearing reports of members of the development teams being harassed on social media. We would kindly ask our community to please maintain a respectful and civil discourse around this release as we work through these issues.

Absolutely agree with this.

Something like this should never happen, the same way it should never happen that a group of passionate fans get harassed and sued into oblivion because they tried to improve the original games that have been "abandoned" by the developer since multiple years.

 

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While one of the goals of the Definitive Editions was to allow players to enjoy these games on modern platforms for many years to come, we also understand that some of you would still like to have the previous classic versions available for purchase.

We will be adding the classic PC versions of Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas back to the Rockstar Store shortly as a bundle.

Finally, a good idea... but wait, isn't this going to cause irreparable harm to T2? People will purchase the much cheaper original games instead of the new 60$ games!

Also, what about the PlayStation Store, Xbox Store and Steam versions? F those right?

 

 

Anyway, let's hope that:

- They actually try to fix as much issues as possible rather than just the most critical ones.

- They don't ditch the games once E&E is released if there's still issues needed to be fixed.

- They drop the lawsuit against the re3/reVC group and leave modders alone. (Useless) suggestion for R*/T2: invest those lawsuits money to improve the anticheat of your games and go look for online cheaters instead.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Alex106

[ZaxxerDog]

Just now, kubon352 said:

I'm shocked. Hell has frozen. Rockstar apologies? 

Maybe tomorrow GTA Online gets dedicated servers and a functional anti cheat solution!

[zanesix]

4 minutes ago, ClaudeSpeed1911 said:

At this point if I was a suit at Rockstar, I would hire the Quake remaster developers, give them enough manpower and the source code while supporting them to create the ultimate remaster (that fixes the classic version of the game and keeps the aesthetic) to save face.

If they were going to do that, that's what we would have gotten lol. Their only option really is to polish the turd they already released, y'know, sunk costs and all that.

 

If only they did, then maybe we would have also gotten a dialogue box like this:

 

Was this REALLY too much to ask, Rockstar? I wasn't asking for the world here, literally this dialogue box included with every purchase would have saved so much pain and backlask.

Edited November 19, 2021 by zanesix

[King Vercetti]

What the hell happened to this community? An awful lot of you need to take a step back and seriously gauge how you’re acting right now. I don’t think I’ve ever felt this disappointed in a community as a whole, and I can only imagine how the mods are feeling having to sift through all this crap. 
 

People are legitimately defending attacking devs, acting like it’s ok to bully others online because it’s “what gamers do”, and overall acting in the most ridiculous toxic ways I’ve ever seen on this forum. Good grief, it’s ok to be unhappy with these releases. It’s ok to share your experiences. It’s NOT ok to harass others and treat everyone like sh*t. 

[IzzyBlues]

21 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

The main victims of this whole situation still are the consumers.

LMAO

In an effort to calm down some of you capital G GAMERS here who don't own a copy of any of the games from the trilogy after TWENTY YEARS, I have a spare Steam copy of San Andreas that needs to go to a good home that I can give away to someone who wants it.

 

 

 

 

[Lie]

Rockstar we love you

Rockstar we do

 

Glad to hear they will be tidying up these games.

Not surprised to hear about developers being harassed though. Proper rotten behaviour lol bloody tragic

[Jimmy]

What's interesting is how a huge multi-million a company can be this greedy. GTA Online helped them make literal billions of dollars yet they somehow have become lazier, can't accommodate developer resources, remain incredibly disorganized, and push out half-baked games? I literally cannot comprehend what's the issue here. Seems a gross oversight, overestimation of nostalgia, not to mention GREED.

 

I personally have nothing against R* or T2.

 

People went a bit far with death threats or such, typical for social media anger. They can remaster games but can't keep up with media trends. This is exactly what social media accounts are for. It's not all accolades and pats on the back. Speaking as someone who works in the IT Development industry you do a bad job, the customer is going light you the hell up.

 

The only silver lining I see is:

 

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Additionally, everyone who has purchased Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition for PC from the Rockstar Store through June 30, 2022, will receive these classic versions in their Rockstar Games Launcher library at no additional cost.

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Jimmy

[Jason]

  

2 minutes ago, Piro said:

Condensing, nice.

And yeah, just as I said, crazily overblown imaginary scenarios just so shift attention away and throw everyone you disagree with into one bag because "toxic gamers". Typical tactics, strawman arguments and constantly moving goalposts. I seen those discussions before. No tnx. 

No one said people deserve to be harassed. But overblowing a handful of comments made by 12y old kids or even fabricating it just so you can get some sympathy points is pretty transparent. And scummy. 

 

Nothing I said was strawman or involved moving goal posts. I gave an example of a very real form of harassment, but there's many more which I thought would be obvious but apparently not. There's a lot of research of the impact cyberbullying and online harassment is having on mental health, a quick google search will get you countless pages and articles on the matter.

 

There's no overblowing this particular situation either, as we've said a growing amount of times, we (as in, GTAF staff) have seen direct attacks on staff using personal info.

 

I am not saying everyone who is upset with the DE trilogy is doing this, absolutely not, it is a small minority as always engaging in the more extreme behaviour but that doesn't change the fact it's happening and it shouldn't be excused just because x/y/z. It's wrong, plain and simple.

 

8 minutes ago, Midnight Dutch said:

I DO NOT agree or advocate the targeting of individuals, that’s what the purpose of a company is for (liability); however; when you put yourself or a product in the public you open yourself up for scrutiny — that’s just a fact of life.  When you attach your name to something, there is a possibility it will come back to you.  

 

Again, do not agree with personal attacks, doxing or anything malicious like that; but the mental health argument is a little too much.. these people are professionals and frankly did terrible at their jobs.

 

Sure, when you create products for the public you open your self to criticism from the public, that's a given, no arguments or issues there. But at the end of the day these are individual people doing their job and even if they aren't doing their job well that still doesn't justify attacking them personally.

 

5 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

You're still making a false equivalency. On the one hand, you have people whose behavior rises to the level of genuine harassment and even things like death threats. That is the extreme end. Then you have the vast majority of people in this forum expressing their displeasure in varying degrees from reasonable, while keeping commentary on topic, like myself. Then you have those borderline people who are somewhere in between those two, who are more angry, trolling keyboard jockeys cursing up a storm, but are still mostly harmless.

 

Again, it is a minority yes and I am by no means trying to imply it's something most of the forum, or people angry/disappointed with the DE trilogy are engaging with. My issue is with the minority who are engaging it and the other minority who are handwaving it away.

[Cheesy Vaginas]

Ugh this changes nothing. Fix all the bugs and technical issues you want. At its core this is still a lazy, uninspired, disrespectful, and completely unfaithful "definitive" edition. Can't believe people are happy with them just fixing some bugs and performance issues.

[ChengizVlad09]

Update? It's pissing on the burned down house.

[Badman_]

9 minutes ago, AIGAMER said:

From reading through this forum I would never travel abroad with some of you even if it were a social experiment you wouldn't know your being scammed even if it were plain to see. 

 

Yes.

 

8 minutes ago, King Vercetti said:

What the hell happened to this community? An awful lot of you need to take a step back and seriously gauge how you’re acting right now. I don’t think I’ve ever felt this disappointed in a community as a whole, and I can only imagine how the mods are feeling having to sift through all this crap. 
 

People are legitimately defending attacking devs, acting like it’s ok to bully others online because it’s “what gamers do”, and overall acting in the most ridiculous toxic ways I’ve ever seen on this forum. Good grief, it’s ok to be unhappy with these releases. It’s ok to share your experiences. It’s NOT ok to harass others and treat everyone like sh*t. 

 

I didn't see anyone defending harrassing the devs. They're just trying to explain how criticism and harrasment are disctintive things, or how the harassers are a small minority. It's a very simple concept. If you don't understand it's because you don't want to.

 

By the way, most of the criticism around here was directed torwards R* management and not at GSG developers.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Wolfman_

[arisfelbonilla]

I had to do this meme xd 

[ZaxxerDog]

10 minutes ago, zanesix said:

If they were going to do that, that's what we would have gotten lol. Their only option really is to polish the turd they already released, y'know, sunk costs and all that.

 

If only they did, then maybe we would have also gotten a dialogue box like this:

 

Was this REALLY too much to ask, Rockstar? I wasn't asking for the world here, literally this dialogue box included with every purchase would have saved so much pain and backlask.

That Quake remaster was really the perfect way to polish up an old title, man if only Rockstar chose the same path. Fix some old bugs, polish up the engine and port it to DX12/Vulkan, keep the original graphics but add new effects like better lighting and high quality ambient occlusion, smartly sharpen up the textures a bit (maybe just a well implemented sharpening filter would have been enough), add improved camera and lock on aim, 60 fps quality mode, 120 fps performance mode, PC version happily running at 300 fps on old hardware.

Edited November 19, 2021 by ZaxxerDog

[NightmanCometh96]

Just a few days ago, I said I doubted R*/T2 would ever relist the original versions; I thought they would be too prideful to make a decision that could be seen as them admitting that the DE was inferior to the originals. I'm happy to have been wrong with that assumption, kudos to them for that. But why just PC? I can understand them not being available on Xbox, since their backwards compatibility is on a per game basis (though it would have been nice to play the OG Xbox ports at 4K and/or with FPS boost enabled), but emulations of the PS2 originals were already available on PS4/PS5 prior to being delisted (albeit with poor frame pacing and a gutted soundtrack).

Edited November 19, 2021 by NightmanCometh96

[King Vercetti]

1 minute ago, Wolfman_ said:

 

Yes.

 

 

I didn't see anyone defending harrassing the devs. They're just trying to explain how criticism and harrasment, or how the harassers are a small minority. It's a very simple concept. If you don't understand it's because you don't want to.

Great, way to be condescending. If you can’t show a modicum of respect, I’m not going to waste my time. We can ALL read this topic and see what has been said, I’m not pulling things out of my ass here, they are right there for all to see. 

[Moth]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

What's interesting is how a huge multi-million a company can be this greedy

How? How is that interesting? It's to be expected.

 

 

The fact is, Rockstar f*cked up massively. First they DMCA/C+D mods that could compete against their sh*tty remaster, then removed the OG versions of the games, and then released a terrible f*cking remaster. 

 

You want to know how to make things right? Refund everyone's f*cking money for this piece of sh*t. Stop trying to f*ck over modders, fire Grove Street Games and then make a proper remake of at least GTA III that isn't done by the cheapest dev you can find. Then maybe the community should forgive you.

[zanesix]

8 minutes ago, Cheesy Vaginas said:

Can't believe people are happy with them just fixing some bugs and performance issues.

I don't really give a f*ck about the definitive edition at this point. It's beyond saving unless it is totally bulldozed and rebuilt from the beginning. I'm sure there's stuff broken deep in the game that people haven't even discovered yet, it goes beyond what any simple patch or mod can fix.

 

What I DO care about though, is how they're bringing back the classic versions, it's what I was asking for this whole time. I can only hope that people and future generations over time will look at the 0.5 metacritic user score and make the decision for THEMSELVES, as the CONSUMER, that just maybe the classic versions will give them a better experience and put their money and time towards that instead. Robbing them of that choice and forcing them to pay full price for an objectively inferior product was the issue all along, regardless of this remaster being good or not and I give major props to them for finally fessing up to this blatantly anti-consumer move. It's definitely a step in the right direction, but they have a long way to go. Like maybe not sending a DMCA to a save file, for one thing.

Edited November 19, 2021 by zanesix

[Spider-Vice]

2 minutes ago, NightmanCometh96 said:

emulations of the PS2 originals were already available on PS4/PS5

Wasn't there something where all copies were converted to the old GSG mobile to console port or something? Honest question. Because I seem to remember that getting the original trilogy on console nowadays would just give you the old GSG version.

[Alex106]

Just now, Spider-Vice said:

Wasn't there something where all copies were converted to the old GSG mobile to console port or something? Honest question. Because I seem to remember that getting the original trilogy on console nowadays would just give you the old GSG version.

No, it's the PS2 version (all three games).

[ChiroVette]

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

Again, it is a minority yes and I am by no means trying to imply it's something most of the forum, or people angry/disappointed with the DE trilogy are engaging with. My issue is with the minority who are engaging it and the other minority who are handwaving it away.

 

Well, then I would agree with you. I am not a sociopath who would defend actual harassment or even assault on people because customers don't like their product.

[Spider-Vice]

Just now, Alex106 said:

No, it's the PS2 version (all three games).

Ah, interesting, thanks.

[arisfelbonilla]

33 minutes ago, Alex106 said:

Apuesto a que la reacción a estos juegos rotos fue inesperada y es por eso que tomó una semana proporcionar una actualización / declaración, ¿verdad?

 

Ah, sí, porque no es la norma comprobar si un juego tiene problemas antes de su lanzamiento / convertirse en oro, ¿verdad?

Nota: no culpo a los desarrolladores de GSG, solo a los altos mandos de R * / T2 que decidieron que era una gran idea lanzar los juegos en este estado.

 

Entonces, ¿por qué los juegos no se retrasaron como cualquier otro juego que no está en buen estado?

Oh, ya sé por qué: dinero.

 

Absolutamente de acuerdo con esto.

Algo así nunca debería suceder, de la misma forma que nunca debería suceder que un grupo de apasionados fanáticos sean acosados y demandados hasta el olvido porque intentaron mejorar los juegos originales que han sido "abandonados" por el desarrollador desde hace varios años.

 

Finalmente, una buena idea ... pero espera, ¿no va a causar un daño irreparable a T2? ¡La gente comprará los juegos originales mucho más baratos en lugar de los nuevos juegos de 60 $!

Además, ¿qué pasa con las versiones de PlayStation Store, Xbox Store y Steam? F esos, ¿verdad?

 

 

De todos modos, esperemos que:

- En realidad, intentan solucionar tantos problemas como sea posible en lugar de solo los más críticos.

- No abandonan los juegos una vez que se lanza E&E si todavía hay problemas que deben solucionarse.

- Retiran la demanda contra el grupo re3 / reVC y dejan en paz a los modders. Sugerencia (inútil) para R * / T2: invierte el dinero de esas demandas para mejorar el anticheat de tus juegos y, en su lugar, busca tramposos en línea.

you are a great dreamer max .jpg xD 

[JRC99]

It's only because their shared plummeted. 

I do hope that things genuinely improve, but I'm not holding my breath. 

 

The only way I'd feel comfortable buying these is if Take 2 stops their anti-modding horse-sh*t. Until then they can get f*cked. 

 

Also, if you harassed the devs, you're a f*cking idiot. Whassamattawityou?! One thing to sh*t on the company, completely different to do it on a personal level. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by JRC99

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

4 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said:

Wasn't there something where all copies were converted to the old GSG mobile to console port or something? Honest question. Because I seem to remember that getting the original trilogy on console nowadays would just give you the old GSG version.

On xbox.

 

PS4 still had the original PS2 versions.

[NightmanCometh96]

20 hours ago, Spider-Vice said:

Wasn't there something where all copies were converted to the old GSG mobile to console port or something? Honest question. Because I seem to remember that getting the original trilogy on console nowadays would just give you the old GSG version.

The PS4 versions were always PS2 emulations, to my knowledge. There are 2 different situations you might be referring to:

1. The OG Xbox and PS2 versions were both available digitally on 360/PS3 respectively before being delisted once the original mobile port was released on each platform.
2. When the WDS version of SA was made backwards compatible on Xbox One, both the 360 and OG Xbox discs downloaded the mobile port. (Xbox BC doesn't use data from the disc; the game is downloaded from Microsoft's servers, while the disc only serves as DRM.)

Edited November 20, 2021 by NightmanCometh96