why is all the love being given to online?

[Ifxfdh]

i miss when we had dlcs because they made games fun. nowadays it feels like online is getting all of the love. seriously rockstar we DONT CARE about futuristic cars, just give us something for story mode so we dont have to play online 24/7.

[The Tracker]

Coz

 

 

[Lock n' Stock]

Online is the cancer that killed GTA.

[lil vader]

2 hours ago, Ifxfdh said:

i miss when we had dlcs because they made games fun. nowadays it feels like online is getting all of the love. seriously rockstar we DONT CARE about futuristic cars, just give us something for story mode so we dont have to play online 24/7.

 

Buddy I think you're really late to the party on this one...

[Liberty City Executioner]

Online may be the biggest cash grab of all GTA titles but then again, Advance, LCS, VCS, and V are also cash grabs. CTW is just a decent GTA and the first two are merely tech demos IMO. All in all, the only GTA titles I truly recommend are III, VC, SA, and IV/EFLC. Those are really the only titles with a sufficient amount of work put into them AFAIC.

[lil vader]

4 minutes ago, ThatBenGuy1998 said:

Advance, LCS, VCS, and V are also cash grabs.

 

Say what you will about the first three but how on earth is GTA V a cash grab? It was meticulously designed and worked on by hundreds of people and had millions of dollars spent on its development.

 

[Ifxfdh]

2 minutes ago, lil vader said:

 

Say what you will about the first three but how on earth is GTA V a cash grab? It was meticulously designed and worked on by hundreds of people and had millions of dollars spent on its development.

 

yeah i wouldnt call v a cashgrab, its def top 3 gta games it just needs dlc

[AmigaMix]

1 hour ago, ThatBenGuy1998 said:

[...] LCS, VCS, and V are also cash grabs [...]

Your liberal interpretation of the word "cash grab" immediately brought this video to mind:

Spoiler

 

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by AmigaMix

[Mr Philips The Gey]

Money.

[Airwolf359]

10 hours ago, ThatBenGuy1998 said:

Online may be the biggest cash grab of all GTA titles but then again, Advance, LCS, VCS, and V are also cash grabs. CTW is just a decent GTA and the first two are merely tech demos IMO. All in all, the only GTA titles I truly recommend are III, VC, SA, and IV/EFLC. Those are really the only titles with a sufficient amount of work put into them AFAIC.

GTA V wasn't a cash grab when it first came out. As a single player game back in 2013, it was a fine product, and you knew exactly what you were buying.

The issues started with the success of Online, and any cash grabbing happens in Online, doesn't affect the story mode, apart from not getting any DLC like GTA IV EFLC.

 

edit: if you mean GTA V E&E, that could be a cash grab, depends what we actually get when it comes out.

 

As for GTA LCS and VCS, sure, they re-used the maps of GTA 3 and VC, but since they were playstation exclusives, they didn't get the same budget as 3 or VC, so they had to re-use old assets.

Edited November 17, 2021 by AirWolf359

[Be-Deliver]

 

[Frogzilla]

Like everyone has said, money and power. Too many stupid people keep throwing money at gtao . If they stopped throwing money at it, gta 6 would most likely come out.

[Yinepi]

Just modify your popgroups, install a trainer and you're good to go as far as cars go. No need to keep wishing Rockstar would do it when you can give them the finger and DIY.

[BeeBeeBee]

If GTA Online wasn't popular and players didn't buy that much Shark Cards and put money on the game, there would be a GTA 5 Story Mode DLC which in my opinion would have been a banger... 

Link: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-05-20-where-is-gta5s-single-player-story-dlc

[Badman_]

It's where the money is. Profit.

[ddarko12]

Money. Thankfully story mode is highly modifiable but still, it is disgusting they've neglected it. GTA:Online isn't even worth it. I only ever played it for the exclusive cars and properties etc. The missions are garbage, the stories are sh*t and the community is some of the dumbest and worst I've ever encountered. The kind of dumb where if you have a problem with shoddy quality you are called entitled and whiney. The kind of dumb where they justify "working" for half-assed cars in the game by investing hours of your limited, precious free time (that is if you have real life responsibilities) or else you're lazy.

 

It is quite frankly the worst thing to ever happen to GTA. And if people wonder why I still get interested whenever there's a new update, it's because luckily as soon as those new things drop I can just enjoy them in story mode because thankfully Rockstar is too lazy to make it any harder to obtain online content via trainers.

[Snesgamer83]

Imagine if Rocktar hadn't been confident enough in online gameplay implementation yet for V. Even if we still didn't have VI by now, we might very well at least have had an "Episodes from San Andreas" or equivalent thereof by now to tide us over

Edited December 1, 2021 by Snesgamer83

[smokeless6]

I don't blame Rockstar frankly. It's a business, and they're in it to maximize profits. If I were a stakeholder I wouldn't be keen on them doing things that run counter to this.

 

But, would it? Would single player DLC reduce profit? After all, GTAO DLC is free, but it's the hook that keeps drawing us in. What if single player DLC was paid? Ten or fifteen dollars for an expanded map and content?

 

The thing is, I didn't come myself to GTA for online. Honestly I had no desire to get in to it, at first. It was the story mode that brought me in. Could new players be brought in with new story DLC? Probably. And if they're like me, they'll have such a good time there that they'll naturally migrate to Online. On the other hand, you could argue that more story content could slow or prevent that migration.

 

Rockstar is given a rough time around here for the most part. But they've created the single most valuable entertainment thing ever, films included. We argue that with such obscene profits Rockstar could throw some single player bones our way, and it's true, they could. But they didn't get here by making a lot of mistakes. Some people in their offices surely get well paid to know exactly how their profits are driven, and I am sure they've run the numbers on single player DLC. That they've decided not to do it is entirely their prerogative, and likely borne out by the numbers. As a player I wish they'd sing a different tune. But if I were running Rockstar I wouldn't change a thing.

[Ash_735]

On 12/1/2021 at 7:06 PM, smokeless6 said:

I don't blame Rockstar frankly. It's a business,

And when people always bring this up, well, yes, but at what point are they just being the very thing they used to mock? Everywhere you go that isn't a GTA fansite (and hell even on here at times) when a big GTAO DLC gets announced the majority of the comments are always about how they'd play it if it were a SP DLC or how much they dislike GTAO, etc. Sony, Microsoft, etc, have still proven there's a market for Single Player DLC, ironically the very same market Rockstar catered to with EFLC/Undead Nightmare back in the day!

 

Yes you can argue that they make money, they do, a lot of it, but what good is money if all your talent is leaving, if none of that money is being spent wisely back into the games (cheapening out by outsourcing the Definitive Edition ports) or even showing signs of a new game actually being worked on and having a chance of coming out this side of the decade? Yes, congratulations, you've got a money making machine and that loyal magical 5% who keep spending but everyone else now despises you and your reputation is garbage.

[smokeless6]

That's pretty hyperbolic. Not sure that the majority of the comments are about how players wished it was single player. Some do, sure. Hell, I'd like it too. I like story mode, and more content would be welcome, but it doesn't bother me a bit there's none.

 

And I hardly think their reputation is garbage.  I don't despise them, so not quite everyone does. GTA is still a good game, and RDR 2 is probably the best designed PC game ever, in my view. I didn't care about the DE, so don't feel burned there. For those that do I can understand. But yeah, I don't take their decisions personally, don't feel bitter about the direction they've chosen.  I just play their games and have fun with them.

[Ash_735]

1 hour ago, smokeless6 said:

That's pretty hyperbolic. Not sure that the majority of the comments are about how players wished it was single player.

Literally check any other forum/website, as of right now EuroGamer, Kotaku, NeoGAF, ResetEra, PC Gamer, etc, are all majority in saying they'd prefer SP DLC still.

 

1 hour ago, smokeless6 said:

And I hardly think their reputation is garbage

Once again, check any place other than here, the definitive Editions and E&E tanked Rockstar's reputation amongst average gamers. Most people are on the side of expecting "New Rockstar" to put out trash now that it's commonly known Dan Houser, Lazlow, etc, are gone.

[Zapper]

33 minutes ago, Ash_735 said:

Literally check any other forum/website, as of right now EuroGamer, Kotaku, NeoGAF, ResetEra, PC Gamer, etc, are all majority in saying they'd prefer SP DLC still.

Since when they really meant anything to the broader gaming landscape, if they really did CoD or FIFA would be f*cking dead in 2021. Literally 100k people are playing GTAV right now and that's only on Steam. We don't even know the PS, Xbox, Social Club or Epic Store numbers. SP DLCs will never be as popular to that and Rockstar knows it very well. After all they went on record saying EFLC underperformed even before GTAO came out and after GTAO hit it big, there's just no coming back.

36 minutes ago, Ash_735 said:

Once again, check any place other than here, the definitive Editions and E&E tanked Rockstar's reputation amongst average gamers. Most people are on the side of expecting "New Rockstar" to put out trash now that it's commonly known Dan Houser, Lazlow, etc, are gone.

I've said it multiple times, a company cannot sell an eight year old game this consistently unless they're doing something right. The incredibly controversial Trilogy DE made to top 10 in both PS4 and PS5 downloads chart of November and most likely will continue to sell well for a long time now that many glaring, memeworthy issues have been solved.

I can guarantee you E&E will sell incredibly well regardless of what internet forums feel about it. Rockstar's reputation is airtight among overwhelming majority of their audience, a few forums won't do sh*t to change that.

[Ash_735]

I don't get how people find joy in defending a billion dollar corporation doing the bare minimum whilst also actively hating the community. I guess shouting about how much money it makes is all that matters, you lot should get into stocks!

[smokeless6]

I am in stocks.

 

I don't find joy in it, just calling it as I see it. More hyperbole. Joy? Is that what you see in my post?

 

I think people who are not satisfied are more likely to say so, and shouldn't necessarily be taken as the prevailing view.

 

Defending the corporation? Hating the community? I don't see this at all.

[Ash_735]

15 minutes ago, smokeless6 said:

Hating the community? I don't see this at all.

Turning a blind eye to what Take-Two does doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

And once again, your post just amounts to "Rockstar are great because they can release sh*t and people will still buy it! They make money so stop complaining".

[potramen]

its all about microtransactions and shark cards, they might ruin the series. friendly reminder that gta online will be a live subscription service on the next consoles. (like netflix, hulu etc)

[Space Cowboy]

15 hours ago, Zapper said:

The incredibly controversial Trilogy DE made to top 10 in both PS4 and PS5 downloads chart of November and most likely will continue to sell well for a long time now that many glaring, memeworthy issues have been solved.

Ha... could it be that the trilogy was so popular in November because of vague and misleading marketing by Rockstar (GTA V-style controls and shooting, upgraded drive-by mechanics etc.)? Yes, most of us on the forums here may have realised what Rockstar means by that, but any casual fan could have expected a substantial upgrade. And honestly I can't blame them. Rockstar deliberately did not release a gameplay trailer because they knew the games play the same.

Recently Rockstar has been getting a lot of bad coverage, and that coupled with the abysmal review scores is something unprecedented for them. Things have definitely changed and the fanbase will at the very least be very skeptical of other R* re-releases/remakes/remasters. E&E already got a fairly negative reception, so things in the coming months will be very interesting and could potentially hurt R* even more.