Can I ask for apology?

[Lonely-Martin]

6 minutes ago, DEALUX said:

Jump on the bandwagon? WHAT THE f*ck ARE YOU ON ABOUT? Did they f*ck up the launch on PC or what?

 

Also, the bugs and ugly aspects of the games were not present in the originals. You can't be this dense and pretend that there are no issues with the ports. Yeah, people who have never played the originals or haven't played them in decades may not mind some things, but that's not the f*cking point. This was a lazy half-assed remaster that was made by people less talented than modders. How the f*ck is that even acceptable for a multi billion dollar company?

 

If you'd read any previous comments of mine, I make no excuses for the poor PC release, that's a royal mess deserving of criticism. But that's just a PC player problem, it has no effect on console players at all.

 

But calm down, take my post in context too. I said people jump on the bandwagon simply because it's true. Review boming has become a trend in recent years, people love to just follow trends. That's a fact. Simple as. The internet is full of dickheads that will just do whatever to be, well, dickheads.

 

I never said there was no issues with these either, so no need for the childish name calling, we can discuss this like adults. But you're just going to have to accept that these are not deal breakers for some. I've loved the franchise for over 20 years, and though the originals are absolute magic (and I still have them for anytime I please), these are fun, if nothing special. I didn't expect these to be anything more than a trip down memory lane with a bit of extra on the graphics. These were never going to be complete overhauls or anything, a few bugs is nothing new from a R* game either.

 

I judge these guys on their new original releases, and so far every single one has given me plenty, so I'm willing to wait until their next (be it GTA VI or something else) to see where things are. Until then, if the company looks to make a bit of extra money from the online games or remasters, I honestly couldn't care less. It's acceptable to me because I'm not so stupid as to think I'm owed anything. It's a product, their product. As a consumer, I choose weather I find it acceptable enough and go from there. I had a look and thought 'why not', tough. Or should I listen to others to dictate my entertainment?

 

I do agree suing modders sounds extreme and I don't feel it's deserved, but at the same token, I don't know much about that side of things. If the modders infringed on things too far, it's R*/T2s product and they have the right to defend it. I'm NOT saying modders did to make it very clear, but again, I don't know (and to be blunt, I don't care to learn either - It's not for me).

 

You know we long term fans have played these games numerous times, so their legacy is sealed, at least for me. Memories never die and I'll not let the bitching or negatives about these re-release impact that, it's just a bit of nostalgic fun and if you don't want to play 'em, don't. Easy as that. I don't care about the politics of it, so what if they're a billion dollar company, lol.

 

I just strongly disagree with the sentiment of 'I think these are sh*t, so you shouldn't play them' bollocks plaguing pretty much anything, so I don't give review sites and real credit. Load of fluff to me.

[Americana]

12 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

I have watched the review videos, and the one thing the more objective critics and Youtubers who aren't raging say is that in some places, the game looks really nice, but in a lot of places, it looks really bad.

 

To be honest, I like how Liberty City, Vice City and San Andreas look (nevermind the draw distance). Some cars look good, too. I can't say much more because I'm a PC player and I can't access these games which is unfortunate.

 

I really want to check these games out.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Americana

[DEALUX]

I think it's good that they tried to make it a 1:1 remaster (with the original glitches, yes) but there are tons of new glitches, inconsistencies in terms of the quality of the texture work and such, etc. Not to mention the abysmal performance even on consoles like the Switch (though I've seen slowdowns occurring in PS4 and PS5 footage as well). It all reeks of a half-assed port to Unreal with some improved assets but many sh*tty upscaled ones as well with no optimizations for performance. I mean the modders could have made that with the reverse engineered projects and they probably would have made a better job of it.

[LaszloR1]

52 minutes ago, Yoona said:

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/grand-theft-auto-the-trilogy---the-definitive-edition?ref=hp

 

63 metascore on PS5 version

 

2 40 scores on the Switch version

[ChiroVette]

I see what @Lonely-Martin is saying, but I would also like to say, without any names, that there is plenty of childishness on both sides of this. I agree that there are some people who enjoy this game for what it is, and good for them. I also think that everyone defines what is and is not game-breaking or deal-breaking for themselves. For the record, I am not angry with Rockstar or bitter at how this Whatever Edition was handled. But as a longtime GTA fan, without using hyperbole, I think that the way these games were treated was a little insulting to their long, storied history. The problem with accepting that these games are "nothing special" is that they were packaged and sold as some Definitive Edition. They look okay in some spots, arguably really good in some spots, and awful in others. There are even some cool features, circa GTA V features.

 

But aside from the music, which I think even more fans of this DE would agree is true, let's just say that much of Take2's marketing strategy makes me really believe they knew that this Edition would be anything but Definitive, and can we at least agree that this is angering fans of the series, particularly a lot of the old school fans? Also, let's be clear about something else, that I also think sticks in the collective craw of the fanbase: Take2's entire launch was riddled with a lot of milestones that were arguably duplicitous.

 

At the end of the day, I have nothing against this Whatever Edition, Take2, Rockstar, or Grove Street Games. I just exercised my right to abstain from purchasing this, and I can honestly say, I have not once regretted that decision. I will buy a hard copy off the bargain bin or used from eBay or Amazon. But I have the feeling that price may not be an issue for long. My guess is that very soon, this game is going to be relegated to the bargain bin. I wouldn't even be surprised if they are offered for free to Playstation Plus subscribers in 2022.

Edited November 14, 2021 by ChiroVette

[Tez2]

The Xbox Game Pass deal is keeping players around. I've checked Socialclub and most friends are playing GTA SA on Xbox.

 

If, later on, it gets pulled from Game Pass and no patches were made, then player activity will drop even further.

[Ondr4H]

1 hour ago, ChiroVette said:

I see what @Lonely-Martin is saying, but I would also like to say, without any names, that there is plenty of childishness on both sides of this. I agree that there are some people who enjoy this game for what it is, and good for them. I also think that everyone defines what is and is not game-breaking or deal-breaking for themselves. For the record, I am not angry with Rockstar or bitter at how this Whatever Edition was handled. But as a longtime GTA fan, without using hyperbole, I think that the way these games were treated was a little insulting to their long, storied history. The problem with accepting that these games are "nothing special" is that they were packaged and sold as some Definitive Edition. They look okay in some spots, arguably really good in some spots, and awful in others. There are even some cool features, circa GTA V features.

 

But aside from the music, which I think even more fans of this DE would agree is true, let's just say that much of Take2's marketing strategy makes me really believe they knew that this Edition would be anything but Definitive, and can we at least agree that this is angering fans of the series, particularly a lot of the old school fans? Also, let's be clear about something else, that I also think sticks in the collective craw of the fanbase: Take2's entire launch was riddled with a lot of milestones that were arguably duplicitous.

 

At the end of the day, I have nothing against this Whatever Edition, Take2, Rockstar, or Grove Street Games. I just exercised my right to abstain from purchasing this, and I can honestly say, I have not once regretted that decision. I will buy a hard copy off the bargain bin or used from eBay or Amazon. But I have the feeling that price may not be an issue for long. My guess is that very soon, this game is going to be relegated to the bargain bin. I wouldn't even be surprised if they are offered for free to Playstation Plus subscribers in 2022.

Well I expected something on par with Mafia DE level of definitivness.

No too big, but something like that . Its under T2 reign, so that was not far fetched for me.

I expected new mechanics like climbing, swimming, physics over all three games, slightly changed car models and realistically looking characters. Maybe little tweak of maps.


I dont expected all three outdated games in terms of gameplay copied 1:1 to Unreal with unpleasing changes. Its pretty scary having in mind, that old bugs are still present, speedrun strats and things that prove this is absolute garbage in terms of 2021 game selling around 60 euro/dollars.


Probably if I check some graphical mods for OG games, i get better results for free running better.
 

[ChiroVette]

5 minutes ago, Ondr4H said:

Well I expected something on par with Mafia DE level of definitivness.

No too big, but something like that . Its under T2 reign, so that was not far fetched for me.

I expected new mechanics like climbing, swimming, physics over all three games, slightly changed car models and realistically looking characters. Maybe little tweak of maps.


I dont expected all three outdated games in terms of gameplay copied 1:1 to Unreal with unpleasing changes. Its pretty scary having in mind, that old bugs are still present, speedrun strats and things that prove this is absolute garbage in terms of 2021 game selling around 60 euro/dollars.


Probably if I check some graphical mods for OG games, i get better results for free running better.
 

 

A few things in response:

 

I agree with your first point, in that from what I am seeing from videos and articles, and all the reviews I am reading, this Whatever Edition is anything but Definitive. That seems to be the universal complaints, even by reviewers who are a little kinder to this Trilogy iteration. Pretty much anyone with any credibility and objectivity seems to say the same thing on this point. But I think there is a lot of resentment in the  GTA community because of this. This wasn't packaged and publicized as a shiny, new port. It wasn't advertized by Take2's Propaganda machine as "The Trilogy - Mobile Ports Getting A Little Facelift Coming To Consoles & PC's Near You!" This was heralded by Take2 as "The Definitive Edition." 

 

For the new mechanics, I think that is a mixed bag. I am kind of glad, maybe just for nostalgia, that Tommy and Fido can't swim. However, and this is a big criticism, they should have at least made it so that any and all water is immediately deadly to these big, bad protagonists. I say, you fall in the drink, the game spawns you on the shore. No swimming, but at least no death either. Yes, swimming would be cool, but it would also require other steps taken to prevent early access to the other islands. Well, other than cheats or the clever, little ways we all found. lol

 

 

 

[TheFranchise]

This entire launch has been a disaster, and I feel it’s permanent stain on Rockstar’s reputation. This is a company that is known for sterling quality games that are polished on launch, and they willing slapped their logo and name onto……. Whatever this is. The fact that this was allowed to release like this, combined with the massive middle finger given to people who bought the game on RGL, shows a wanton disregard to their own loyal fan base. How sad, as a fan of the series and R*, it is to see them stoop down to that level. 
 

This entire fiasco is something I would of expected out of EA. Not Rockstar. A permanent stain that cannot be washed off. 

[StarJet905]

34 minutes ago, Ondr4H said:

Well I expected something on par with Mafia DE level of definitivness.

No too big, but something like that . Its under T2 reign, so that was not far fetched for me.

I expected new mechanics like climbing, swimming, physics over all three games, slightly changed car models and realistically looking characters. Maybe little tweak of maps.


I dont expected all three outdated games in terms of gameplay copied 1:1 to Unreal with unpleasing changes. Its pretty scary having in mind, that old bugs are still present, speedrun strats and things that prove this is absolute garbage in terms of 2021 game selling around 60 euro/dollars.


Probably if I check some graphical mods for OG games, i get better results for free running better.
 

I feel like some people sadly put Rockstar/T2 on some kind of pedestal. Sure, Mafia DE from 2K under the same T2 umbrella as Rockstar was a really good remake. But it was a full blown remake and they marketed it as such. 
On the other hand, this was never marketed as such. They explicitly promised graphical enhancements and new controls. And that was it. 
I personally cannot understand the people who thought they'd do big improvements without advertising all that. 
No doubt in the end the result was full of failures. But not having new game mechanics is not one of those failures.

[ChiroVette]

2 minutes ago, TheFranchise said:

This entire launch has been a disaster, and I feel it’s permanent stain on Rockstar’s reputation.

 

 

In fairness, none of this may be Rockstar's fault. I don't know for sure. Take2, on the other hand, I believe is guilty of duplicitous advertising, rising to the level of corporate thuggery. As for Grove Street Games, I see them as having a big question mark over their heads. It's easy to blame the devs, and seems like the most obvious conclusion. At the end of the day, however, we have no idea how much of a budget they were given for such a mammoth GTA project. If they were given very limited and miserly resources to get this done, it may just be possible that they aren't to blame here. I really believe, based on what I am seeing with the music licensing, the dubious advertising, the lack of any real information or public statements about all the problem riddling this game, the PC launch, and on an on, that Take2 simply didn't give GSG anywhere near the proper amount of money or resources they needed to make a truly Definitive Edition of this Trilogy. Of course, that last part is pure speculation.

[Ondr4H]

2 minutes ago, StarJet905 said:

I feel like some people sadly put Rockstar/T2 on some kind of pedestal. Sure, Mafia DE from 2K under the same T2 umbrella as Rockstar was a really good remake. But it was a full blown remake and they marketed it as such. 
On the other hand, this was never marketed as such. They explicitly promised graphical enhancements and new controls. And that was it. 
I personally cannot understand the people who thought they'd do big improvements without advertising all that. 
No doubt in the end the result was full of failures. But not having new game mechanics is not one of those failures.

I get hopes when I heard unreal rumour and Rockstar Dundee doing job. 

Unreal is good engine, and in good hands there could be miracles.

But same games with FPS problems even on PS5, this is not even possible!

[TheFranchise]

6 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

 

In fairness, none of this may be Rockstar's fault. I don't know for sure. Take2, on the other hand, I believe is guilty of duplicitous advertising, rising to the level of corporate thuggery. As for Grove Street Games, I see them as having a big question mark over their heads. It's easy to blame the devs, and seems like the most obvious conclusion. At the end of the day, however, we have no idea how much of a budget they were given for such a mammoth GTA project. If they were given very limited and miserly resources to get this done, it may just be possible that they aren't to blame here. I really believe, based on what I am seeing with the music licensing, the dubious advertising, the lack of any real information or public statements about all the problem riddling this game, the PC launch, and on an on, that Take2 simply didn't give GSG anywhere near the proper amount of money or resources they needed to make a truly Definitive Edition of this Trilogy. Of course, that last part is pure speculation.

At this point, it doesn’t really matter. Rockstar is Take 2. That shows with all the staffing shake up, especially considering Dan is gone. Rockstar is in Take 2’s image, and Rockstar willing allowed their reputation, their logo, to be associated with this. That automatically puts them at fault along with T2. It doesn’t matter if it were Take 2 or R* set budget, time, and resources for GSG and the remaster. They’re one and the same anymore. 

[StarJet905]

2 minutes ago, Ondr4H said:

I get hopes when I heard unreal rumour and Rockstar Dundee doing job. 

Unreal is good engine, and in good hands there could be miracles.

But same games with FPS problems even on PS5, this is not even possible!

I guess it's a lesson for everybody to not spend money based on rumours

[StarJet905]

6 minutes ago, TheFranchise said:

At this point, it doesn’t really matter. Rockstar is Take 2. That shows with all the staffing shake up, especially considering Dan is gone. Rockstar is in Take 2’s image, and Rockstar willing allowed their reputation, their logo, to be associated with this. That automatically puts them at fault along with T2. It doesn’t matter if it were Take 2 or R* set budget, time, and resources for GSG and the remaster. They’re one and the same anymore. 

And as @Ondr4H mentioned, Mafia DE is under the same T2 umbrella. They handled it very differently, remake or otherwise. 

So this is probably more than a little bit Rockstar's own fault. 

[Ondr4H]

9 minutes ago, StarJet905 said:

I guess it's a lesson for everybody to not spend money based on rumours

Im good, when I saw first photos and trailer I totally get it that we are handling with hot garbage...

[StarJet905]

1 minute ago, Ondr4H said:

Im good, when I saw first photos and trailer I totally get it that we are handling with hot garbage...

Oh then okay 
I misunderstood 
But it's certainly a little sad to see people who actually paid expecting a lot 
 
And moving on a tangent for a bit, the whole "Rockstar Dundee" thing is also silly
Sure, maybe they're better than GSG who already botched a port previously 
But they themselves have not done anything notable other than Crackdown 2 before which was kind of mediocre
Them having the "Rockstar" name doesn't really mean much either by itself

[Ondr4H]

2 minutes ago, StarJet905 said:

Oh then okay 
I misunderstood 
But it's certainly a little sad to see people who actually paid expecting a lot 
 
And moving on a tangent for a bit, the whole "Rockstar Dundee" thing is also silly
Sure, maybe they're better than GSG who already botched a port previously 
But they themselves have not done anything notable other than Crackdown 2 before which was kind of mediocre
Them having the "Rockstar" name doesn't really mean much either by itself

Probably you dont believe me, but I was prepared with 60 euro if its turn out as Mafia:DE .

I was sitting in my chair and what I see totally destroy my expectations and kinda ruined my memories. Trilogy is gone for this, I was asking myself all day...

[StarJet905]

3 minutes ago, Ondr4H said:

Probably you dont believe me, but I was prepared with 60 euro if its turn out as Mafia:DE .

I was sitting in my chair and what I see totally destroy my expectations and kinda ruined my memories. Trilogy is gone for this, I was asking myself all day...

Oh, as someone who bought Mafia DE launch day, I have no problem believing you 
Hell if there is to ever be an SA remake like that, I'd pay full price just for the one game
But we're never going to get that 

As for the original trilogy, I hope you still have your previous copy/copies
If you do, Rockstar can't possibly ruin your memories

[Ondr4H]

Just now, StarJet905 said:

Oh, as someone who bought Mafia DE launch day, I have no problem believing you 
Hell if there is to ever be an SA remake like that, I'd pay full price just for the one game
But we're never going to get that 

As for the original trilogy, I hope you still have your previous copy/copies
If you do, Rockstar can't possibly ruin your memories

Hey its like someone is giving me false memory vibes...

I played masterpieces, why they show me this madness  .


I sad why? There is no legal way for new players to obtain trilogy games. Just new players that started with GTA V and RDR2 try to figure why this studio was miles ahead of everybody. I did something like this volition and Saints Row series...
Well they were already butchered version, but anyway its weird.

According to Mafia series, you can still buy original game from 2002, when you purchase Mafia 2 you get possesion of original version. Mafia 3 is still same game.


But rockstar did very anti consumer way...

[Americana]

Yeah, I've paid $60 for three Mafia games and it was 100% worth it. I mean, I'd pay $60 for a Mafia remake alone. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Americana

[Bratva Assassin]

Sure. Why not? I forgive you, OP.

[ChiroVette]

1 hour ago, TheFranchise said:

At this point, it doesn’t really matter. Rockstar is Take 2. That shows with all the staffing shake up, especially considering Dan is gone. Rockstar is in Take 2’s image, and Rockstar willing allowed their reputation, their logo, to be associated with this. That automatically puts them at fault along with T2. It doesn’t matter if it were Take 2 or R* set budget, time, and resources for GSG and the remaster. They’re one and the same anymore. 

 

Well, my understanding of this is that, while there are a lot of overlaps between the two, Rockstar as a company is owned by Take2, so Take2 makes the decisions, particularly the financial and resources decisions. Seriously, who cares, though, right? You think if you're right, and there really is no different between the two, that this effects me even a little? No. Because at the end of the day, whoever is to blame ruined, in my opinion, all the hype of their gala 20th Anniversary, celebrated by this Whatever Edition.

[Jason]

Publishers run almost the entirety of the AAA industry these days. They either own the studios that make the games, or contract them and fund it so much that they have a lot of influence.

 

Games are green lit based on how well they can sell or monetise based on data they harvest. Look at Ubisoft for example, they make their games to a formula that they know will sell and have staved off making a new Splinter Cell for yonks cause they had no idea how to do it in a way that'd sell the numbers they want these days. EA wanting every one of their games to have a monetisable asset, or a "Ultimate Team".

 

The BR craze is a good example, Fortnite came to console and was a giant hit and immediatelly it had publishers sprawing to see what what IP's and studios they could use to pump out a BR, leading to countless BR games from AAA publishers that were complete failures, like Ubisoft's Hyperscape. The MOBA craze was the same, publishers scrambling to get their own version out and using their IP's and studios to give it some prestige to use a selling point. Remasters are just the latest craze everyone wants in on because there's been some genuinely good ones (more often than not these are proper remakes, but the suits are clueless) and the result is we get stuff like this.

 

Individual studios owned by publishers just don't have the freedom they once had, none of them do. That doesn't mean they should be given a free pass, cause releasing games that are just broken, unoptimised, unbalanced or whatever is on them as well but AAA publishers are the real rot of the industry for me.

[Americana]

These were found in the files.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Americana

[Ondr4H]

14 minutes ago, Americana said:

 

These were found in the files.

Midnight club, still cancelled soz?

[pingli]

5 hours ago, Jason said:

Steam reviews (it's just the best place for reviews full stop tbh) but sadly GTA DE isn't on Steam at the moment.

Yeah I wonder why it isn't on Steam, Fallout 76 wasn't one steam also the same moment it got released too, they released it to Steam once they made it decent. 

 

34 minutes ago, Americana said:

 

These were found in the files.

That's gotta be fake or at least some sort of troll? Doesn't make sense why would those be inside of trilogy remaster files.

 

And why would GTA IV get a remake? That game still hold up decently today compared to the trilogy games. 

[StarJet905]

51 minutes ago, Americana said:

 

These were found in the files.

Those are just shortcuts that anybody can make

 

Where did you find this image?

16 minutes ago, pingli said:

Yeah I wonder why it isn't on Steam, Fallout 76 wasn't one steam also the same moment it got released too, they released it to Steam once they made it decent. 

 

That's gotta be fake or at least some sort of troll? Doesn't make sense why would those be inside of trilogy remaster files.

 

And why would GTA IV get a remake? That game still hold up decently today compared to the trilogy games. 

And yes, GTA IV is very modern compared to the 3D trilogy

If anything, it's the 3D trilogy that needed remakes

[VX97]

35 minutes ago, Ondr4H said:

Midnight club, still cancelled soz?

 

Team behind Midnight Club were fired from Rockstar San Diego so I doubt that series will ever return, as much as I would love the series to return. Well I am atleast happy that Test Drive Unlimited series is coming back, one of my childhood favorite racing game series as well.

[SquoniX]

53 minutes ago, Americana said:

 

These were found in the files.

 

I was with you until Bully 3, that thing ain't happening soon.