GTA III Definitive Edition Complaints & Criticisms Topic

[ZaxxerDog]

7 hours ago, Helegad said:

@ZaxxerDog You just keep getting BTFO again and again, might be time to put the Doritos and Dew back in the fridge and go to bed. How tf is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you keep saying "shills" and posting Youtube poopies like anybody is gonna actually watch that garbage? I've played GTA III DE to 100% and enjoyed it thoroughly, how much have you actually played?

Also: I never drank Mountain Dew or ate Doritos in my life.  And actually I beat GTA 3 yesterday (no, not the dEfInITiVe eDiTiOn).

Edited November 18, 2021 by ZaxxerDog

[BananaSpud666]

9 hours ago, ZaxxerDog said:

That doesn't matter at all though, their old bugs they can fix.

Assuming that they care enough to fix anything

[Thee Gee Tee Ayy King]

Crispy nostalgia.

 

I'm loving the GTA 3 definitive edition! Currently going for a hundred percent and working for the Yakuza now. Currently parked and listening to chatterbox and laughing my ass off. Brings back memories of childhood. Really don't give a hoot what critics say I love this zesty crispy nostalgia that's running through my body right meow.

[ZaxxerDog]

1 hour ago, Thee Gee Tee Ayy King said:

Crispy nostalgia.

 

I'm loving the GTA 3 definitive edition! Currently going for a hundred percent and working for the Yakuza now. Currently parked and listening to chatterbox and laughing my ass off. Brings back memories of childhood. Really don't give a hoot what critics say I love this zesty crispy nostalgia that's running through my body right meow.

That's great and all but you know, doesn't really have to do anything with the quality of the remasters. I see this "I'm enjoying the game" argument a lot and I just scratch my head because sure you're enjoying the game, it's GTA 3. The game is still there, the content is still there and the remasters are just above the level of functionality where they can't really ruin that experience.

[Helegad]

6 hours ago, ZaxxerDog said:

Also: I never drank Mountain Dew or ate Doritos in my life.  And actually I beat GTA 3 yesterday (no, not the dEfInITiVe eDiTiOn).

 

Oh look, another Youtube video that you're drawing all of your opinions from. How original.

[YNNEL]

Why do cars blow up so quickly now? It’s infuriating.

[Mindshower]

3 hours ago, Thee Gee Tee Ayy King said:

Crispy nostalgia.

 

I'm loving the GTA 3 definitive edition! Currently going for a hundred percent and working for the Yakuza now. Currently parked and listening to chatterbox and laughing my ass off. Brings back memories of childhood. Really don't give a hoot what critics say I love this zesty crispy nostalgia that's running through my body right meow.

This. So much this. Take all my Reddit gold. GSG, R*, thank you, I'm in diapers again, with tears rolling down my ass cheeks.

[ZaxxerDog]

25 minutes ago, Helegad said:

 

Oh look, another Youtube video that you're drawing all of your opinions from. How original.

Uh... it's my Youtube video.

28 minutes ago, YNNEL said:

Why do cars blow up so quickly now? It’s infuriating.

Because they didn't fix the 60 fps bugs.

[Helegad]

8 minutes ago, ZaxxerDog said:

Uh... it's my Youtube video.

 

I see you haven't even unlocked Staunton Island yet, how can you possibly form a complete opinion of something if you can't even be bothered to finish a third of it?

Edited November 18, 2021 by Helegad

[ZaxxerDog]

10 minutes ago, Helegad said:

 

I see you haven't even unlocked Staunton Island yet, how can you possibly form a complete opinion of something if you can't even be bothered to finish a third of it?

Well the thing is that my first impressions were awful and not just because of the bugs:

 

- way worse performance than what I expected

- terrible frame pacing that reminds me of the PS2 era, even if you lock the fps to 30 you get micro stutter and UE4 asset streaming stutter

- lighting bugs

- aggressive black crush issues and badly tuned brightness / contrast

- intrusively low quality ambient occlusion

- crashing

- the fact that they didn't fix a lot of the high fps issues

 

And then the other "regular" issues came like the bugs, the inconsistent quality of the remade / AI upscaled assets and the RAIN that not only looks terrible but also results in more fps drops. So I glitched into Staunton and Shoreside Vale through the known 20 year old method, looked around, didn't like what I saw and f*cked off to play modded GTA 3 on Steam instead. I went back and completed Portland since then because I was curious about the shotgunner changes (and there aren't any) so I have roughly around 3 hours in the "demaster". Plenty of time to experience all the issues I've mentioned above.

 

And no, I won't play more of the dEfInITiVe eDiTiOn since I'm a lot more satisfied with the game looking like how it should look like:

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by ZaxxerDog

[BananaSpud666]

3 hours ago, YNNEL said:

Why do cars blow up so quickly now?

Because Wardrum made it so that Vehicles explode much quicker than on PS2

[ElBarrioKing]

I don’t remember the PS2 version police being so aggressive when you are 2+ stars

[Helegad]

9 hours ago, ZaxxerDog said:

- way worse performance than what I expected

- terrible frame pacing that reminds me of the PS2 era, even if you lock the fps to 30 you get micro stutter and UE4 asset streaming stutter

- lighting bugs

- aggressive black crush issues and badly tuned brightness / contrast

- intrusively low quality ambient occlusion

- crashing

- the fact that they didn't fix a lot of the high fps issues

 

Hand to heart, I never experienced any of that. I put in 40-50 hours and the app did not crash once which I was mighty impressed about. Performance was also solid across the board. Might be time to reinstall Windows and update your drivers buddy.

[Jeansowaty]

Uh, I just wanna chime in and say that the Leones are definitely set on PC to use Pistol + Uzi during Big'n'Veiny and Espresso-2-Go, whereas during Turismo they use Pistol + Shotgun as usual. Kinda stupid imo, they could have been programmed to have Pistol + Uzi during said mission too. I can't confirm how it is in the "Definitive" Edition.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Jeansowaty

[ZaxxerDog]

4 hours ago, Helegad said:

 

Hand to heart, I never experienced any of that.

That's great but you know, according to the benchmarks the games run like arse on every single platform. Hey, you might have the secret test version that just happens to provide a solid 60 fps in quality mode and 120 in performance mode because that's how that should be with these graphics.

 

1 hour ago, Jeansowaty said:

Uh, I just wanna chime in and say that the Leones are definitely set on PC to use Pistol + Uzi during Big'n'Veiny and Espresso-2-Go

Oh yeah, you're right, I just did Espresso-2-Go two days ago (not in the DE) and somehow it never registered that they are shooting at me with Uzis, thought it was the Cartel.  Big'n'Veiny I haven't seen in that situation since I was a kid so I believe you. Turismo definitely seems like an oversight then.

Edited November 19, 2021 by ZaxxerDog

[Helegad]

14 minutes ago, ZaxxerDog said:

That's great but you know, according to the benchmarks the games run like arse on every single platform. Hey, you might have the secret test version that just happens to provide a solid 60 fps in quality mode and 120 in performance mode because that's how that should be with these graphics.

 

I play on PC. Your problems are not everyone else's problems, sweetie.

[ZaxxerDog]

12 minutes ago, Helegad said:

 

I play on PC. Your problems are not everyone else's problems, sweetie.

I'm not your sweetie, shill.

[Arthur Gregorson]

18 hours ago, ZaxxerDog said:

That's great and all but you know, doesn't really have to do anything with the quality of the remasters. I see this "I'm enjoying the game" argument a lot and I just scratch my head because sure you're enjoying the game, it's GTA 3. The game is still there, the content is still there and the remasters are just above the level of functionality where they can't really ruin that experience.

what. if the quality of the remasters were bad or at least in his experience like have lag and all he wouldn't be able to enjoy the game so in reality he was just one of the lucky people to not run into any bugs while playing 

if the models were a problem for him he wouldn't enjoy the game 

if the audio was a problem wouldnt enjoy the game 

the whole criticism against the remasters is the fact that it ruins the experience

so if he enjoyed the game thats him saying there were no problems for him atleast 

so its a valid argument

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Arthur Gregorson

[ZaxxerDog]

1 hour ago, Arthur Gregorson said:

what. if the quality of the remasters were bad or at least in his experience like have lag and all he wouldn't be able to enjoy the game so in reality he was just one of the lucky people to not run into any bugs while playing 

if the models were a problem for him he wouldn't enjoy the game 

if the audio was a problem wouldnt enjoy the game 

the whole criticism against the remasters is the fact that it ruins the experience

so if he enjoyed the game thats him saying there were no problems for him atleast 

so its a valid argument

When you're emotionally attached to a game then sometimes it takes quite a lot to break that emotional attachment. When I got over the initial shock at the lack of quality, stopped looking for low res textures and bugs and played through the Portland section going mission to mission I enjoyed it too. Does that make the remaster good? No, it's an inexcusable piece of trash that should have never seen the light of day in this state... but it's still GTA 3 and I love GTA 3 even if it's barely functioning and it's held together by duct tape. On top of that the game does have a few QoL features that would make the experience really smooth and slick compared to OG GTA 3 if the game was polished.

 

I'd argue it very much depends on the playstyle too. For example I think that if you're somebody who plays by the "intended" design of going through the game mission to mission in the right order then you most likely won't encounter the worst of the bugs. That's what some players do while others go rampaigng and exploring and they don't care about the missions at all, those people will most likely encounter all the unfinished stuff.

Edited November 19, 2021 by ZaxxerDog

[BananaSpud666]

5 hours ago, ZaxxerDog said:

barely functioning and it's held together by duct tape.

[ZaxxerDog]

25 minutes ago, BananaSpud666 said:

Let me guess: you thought I was talking about the original game there and now you'll post pages of gifs again because of your dyslexia.

[BananaSpud666]

5 minutes ago, ZaxxerDog said:

Let me guess: you thought I was talking about the original game there

Not really

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, ZaxxerDog said:

now you'll post pages of gifs again because of your dyslexia.

Nice joke

[Acetaminophen]

TBH 3 is the the game with the least problems. Fix some janky models/textures and some missed placed collision and the rain. 

[Helegad]

15 hours ago, ZaxxerDog said:

When you're emotionally attached to a game then sometimes it takes quite a lot to break that emotional attachment. When I got over the initial shock at the lack of quality, stopped looking for low res textures and bugs and played through the Portland section going mission to mission I enjoyed it too. Does that make the remaster good? No, it's an inexcusable piece of trash that should have never seen the light of day in this state... but it's still GTA 3 and I love GTA 3 even if it's barely functioning and it's held together by duct tape. On top of that the game does have a few QoL features that would make the experience really smooth and slick compared to OG GTA 3 if the game was polished.

 

I'd argue it very much depends on the playstyle too. For example I think that if you're somebody who plays by the "intended" design of going through the game mission to mission in the right order then you most likely won't encounter the worst of the bugs. That's what some players do while others go rampaigng and exploring and they don't care about the missions at all, those people will most likely encounter all the unfinished stuff.

 

Breaking down my motivations for enjoying a game to try and disprove that I actually did is the purest form of copium there is. Give up sweetheart. I had a blast playing GTA III DE and there's nothing you can do about it.

[ZaxxerDog]

44 minutes ago, Helegad said:

 

Breaking down my motivations for enjoying a game to try and disprove that I actually did is the purest form of copium there is. Give up sweetheart. I had a blast playing GTA III DE and there's nothing you can do about it.

Uh... this was the comment I was referring to:

When it comes to you honestly you're so obviously biased in your approach that I couldn't care less. And even the point was that it's fine to enjoy the game since it's GTA 3 so if you had a blast then cool. Honestly the only person who wants to get into an argument here is you, I'm just here to vent and don't want to persuade anyone about anything.

Edited November 20, 2021 by ZaxxerDog

[cant remember]

I enjoy the remake but yes it's a little undercooked.

 

IMO to warrant removing the classics from stores and forcing you to buy the $60 remake, the DE has to be superior in every way, with every song still included (I know it's not all R*'s fault there but you know)

Being able to choose between the new graphics, and the old original lighting/models, like the Command & Conquer DE, is something I miss.

And then ofcourse there's the cosmetic flaws I've encountered, the garage door sound not looping correctly, the drawbridge that's down but you fall through it, the bridge barriers that are invisible, the Sentinel doors that float a little off the car,...

[Arthur Gregorson]

On 11/20/2021 at 1:06 AM, ZaxxerDog said:

When you're emotionally attached to a game then sometimes it takes quite a lot to break that emotional attachment. When I got over the initial shock at the lack of quality, stopped looking for low res textures and bugs and played through the Portland section going mission to mission I enjoyed it too. Does that make the remaster good? No, it's an inexcusable piece of trash that should have never seen the light of day in this state... but it's still GTA 3 and I love GTA 3 even if it's barely functioning and it's held together by duct tape. On top of that the game does have a few QoL features that would make the experience really smooth and slick compared to OG GTA 3 if the game was polished.

 

I'd argue it very much depends on the playstyle too. For example I think that if you're somebody who plays by the "intended" design of going through the game mission to mission in the right order then you most likely won't encounter the worst of the bugs. That's what some players do while others go rampaigng and exploring and they don't care about the missions at all, those people will most likely encounter all the unfinished stuff.

bro i never even played gta 3 until like a few days ago and i have no emotional attachment to them 

so i dont know how that could possibly happen to me 

but for that guy maybe he does have nostalgia thats oversaturating his point of view but at least not for me 

also i've almost 100% this game only got to get all the hidden packages and the import export missions 

and i haven't ran into any bugs so i'd say you gotta be doing some pretty strange things to discover them 

actually no i have seen one bug and its when i walked into a hill and i noclipped it but other then that nothing 

didnt make the game unplayable 

tho the optimization is garbage and does make the game pretty unplayable 

like the game lags for no apparent reason 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Arthur Gregorson

[loseruser]

Trying to observe the game as objectively as possible with as much optimism as I can muster, I can only describe the feeling of this remaster as a mimic; or an "Apple Store" bootleg of what I was used to playing. It's 'nearly there' in terms of emulating the original. Cruising through the streets in a taxi with MSX FM blaring, picking up and dropping off passengers certainly filled me with moments of nostalgia, but there's quite glaringly obvious changes every so often that distracted me and stole the illusion. The entire release was soured by its overall incompleteness, lack of auditing for major issues as well as some minor cosmetic ones. Collision data incorrect or missing, textures with typos, or reversed. These small details add up to a lot in a franchise of games beloved by fans for its small details. It often led me to thinking "Seriously, you didn't check this?" Changes of things that must have been introduced into the code of whatever bastardized mobile versions they based them off of that I didn't play gives me small letdowns each time as I discover them. Vehicle damage is not quite the same, fire is barely as visible as before, you cannot push vehicles quite as easily anymore, and most disappointingly, the tank's overall acceleration and performance was nerfed. Giving the turret GTAV functionality didn't make me very happy either. On top of being a copy of a copy, they chug. When we were promised these remasters would "retain the look of the originals while having significant visual upgrades" along came wildly daft expectations that they would run great. I mean, hardware has advanced a lot since then, why wouldn't they run well? Well this was another expectation unmet. Not so hot performance led me to disabling nearly every single performance-tanking post-processing effect and after that all I have left is a bit of ambient occlusion on top of a game that still runs poorly and doesn't visually nor technically impress me. There's nothing really "pretty" left to look at now, it's just regular old GTA3. This, plus a very thinly-held; with fingers tightly-crossed, hopes that we would get some remastered audio only to be let fully down once again leads me to the conclusion that there was a hundred percent no point in remastering these games. The engine code just needed a bit of tender-loving care to make them functional on modern hardware and a couple of bandages to the most annoying bugs. This trilogy being released in a world where video game giants like Sony and Microsoft have managed to trick entire generations into believing that "good graphics" and visuals are "a necessity" is no surprise to me. I remain unconvinced on these blindly popular beliefs. Graphical quality was never really what attracted me to these titles nor any software in my life. No full re-release was warranted here, just a little bit of attention to some long-abandoned unsupported games. Hmm, I *wonder* if there happens to be a team of people who are working on something just like that...?

[ZaxxerDog]

7 hours ago, Arthur Gregorson said:

tho the optimization is garbage and does make the game pretty unplayable 

like the game lags for no apparent reason 

Yep, honestly the optimization and the art design are the game's two most serious problems, not the bugs. There are a ton of bugs and I've managed to run into quite a lot of them with the day 1 PC version but compared to that SA has a number of game breaking glitches so... yeah.

 

What's wild to me though is that just with a bit of color tinting the game already starts looking like GTA 3 (from the screenshot thread):

So if they fix the most common bugs like the flying cars near and in the underground tunnel, the missing models etc. AND they optimize the game and improve the colors to the point where the old color shaders are represented more strongly then GTA 3 is quite salvageable.

[ZaxxerDog]

On the other hand it seems like Claude no longer shows the middle finger or reacts to people in the Defective Edition so the constant facepalm pose continues: