San Andreas Definitive Edition Complaints & Criticisms Topic

[arisfelbonilla]

20 hours ago, Orthur said:

Honestamente, no te entiendo, entiendo a las personas a las que no les gustó el aspecto desde los avances, pero no a ti. El juego se ve exactamente como lo hizo en el avance y algunas áreas se ven realmente bien, la iluminación ha mejorado enormemente y algunas texturas se han rehecho (mientras que otras se han mejorado, lamentablemente).

In part it is true, everything is traced as in the trailer that I present

but many expected gameplay although being honest it was not so necessary knowing that it is the same game

[BS_BlackScout]

1 hour ago, MeatSafeMurderer said:

This remaster might contain derivative work based on stolen assets worked on by modders. See this video came up in my recommended and, while it's not normally my kind of thing, I am thinking about replaying the originals. Anyway a few minutes in something jumps out at me...Rinimo's...

-snip

They probably used ESRGAN which has an Apache license (aka you can use commercially). It is one of the most used NN image upscaling architectures (it's free and open-source).

The model they used is another story, though... A lot of fan made ones are either GPL licensed or CC-BY-SA(-NC), so they very likely used the default model. [I have seen upscales done by this NN, blindly, that look exactly like what I saw digging through the textures myself.]

 

Considering people train ESRGAN based on the default model I am not surprised it looks similar. Also, I'd say they didn't do any "derivative work" based on stolen assets by modders. Cause in this situation even if they did that, they are doing derivative work on top of derivative work.
Upscaling textures made by Rockstar is not recreating them. It's like grabbing someone's art on DeviantArt and applying GANs (Generative Adversarial Networks) to them and claiming them to be your own. They're not.

There seems to be an insane attempt at making the narrative "GSG stole from modders" a reality. There needs to be better evidence than whatever this claim is. That is, if you want to prove this as a valid point.

From what we know Lucid Games was the only studio that stole assets from modders.

Edited November 14, 2021 by BS_BlackScout

[arisfelbonilla]

22 minutes ago, BS_BlackScout said:

Probablemente usaron ESRGAN, que tiene una licencia de Apache (también conocida como puede usar comercialmente). Es una de las arquitecturas de escalado de imágenes NN más utilizadas (es gratuita y de código abierto).

Sin embargo, el modelo que usaron es otra historia ... Muchos de los fabricados por fanáticos tienen licencia GPL o CC-BY-SA (-NC), por lo que es muy probable que usaran el modelo predeterminado. [He visto escalas mejoradas hechas por este NN, a ciegas, que se ven exactamente como lo que vi excavando en las texturas yo mismo.

 

Teniendo en cuenta que la gente entrena ESRGAN según el modelo predeterminado, no me sorprende que se vea similar. Además, diría que no hicieron ningún "trabajo derivado" basado en activos robados por modders. Porque en esta situación, incluso si lo hicieran, están haciendo un trabajo derivado además del trabajo derivado.
Mejorar las texturas creadas por Rockstar no es recrearlas. Es como agarrar el arte de alguien en DeviantArt y aplicarle GAN (Generative Adversarial Networks) y afirmar que es suyo. Ellos no están.

Parece haber un intento loco de hacer realidad la narrativa "GSG robó a los modders". Es necesario que haya mejores pruebas que cualquiera que sea esta afirmación. Es decir, si quiere probar esto como un punto válido.

Por lo que sabemos, Lucid Games fue el único estudio que robó activos de los modders.

the ones he invents that the modders stole from him
you don't have to come to a conclusion either
They are only mods that not even R would touch because as he wants
they do not have a value that xD

[blitziii]

The game is currently not available for purchase because Rockstar Games has pulled the plug, but is it also not playable? At least for those who bought it early? Can you play?

[SageFan]

1 hour ago, MeatSafeMurderer said:

This remaster might contain derivative work based on stolen assets worked on by modders. See this video came up in my recommended and, while it's not normally my kind of thing, I am thinking about replaying the originals. Anyway a few minutes in something jumps out at me...Rinimo's...

Some have been speculating that they might've stolen the Classic Axis mod too. The animation when crouching looks the same. 

 

 

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

26 minutes ago, BS_BlackScout said:

They probably used ESRGAN which has an Apache license (aka you can use commercially). It is one of the most used NN image upscaling architectures (it's free and open-source).

The model they used is another story, though... A lot of fan made ones are either GPL licensed or CC-BY-SA(-NC), so they very likely used the default model. [I have seen upscales done by this NN, blindly, that look exactly like what I saw digging through the textures myself.]

 

Considering people train ESRGAN based on the default model I am not surprised it looks similar. Also, I'd say they didn't do any "derivative work" based on stolen assets by modders. Cause in this situation even if they did that, they are doing derivative work on top of derivative work.
Upscaling textures made by Rockstar is not recreating them. It's like grabbing someone's art on DeviantArt and applying GANs (Generative Adversarial Networks) to them and claiming them to be your own. They're not.

There seems to be an insane attempt at making the narrative "GSG stole from modders" a reality. There needs to be better evidence than whatever this claim is. That is, if you want to prove this as a valid point.

From what we know Lucid Games was the only studio that stole assets from modders.

If they did do it, even if they're legally in the clear doing it (which, to be clear, I don't doubt) it's still a sh*tty thing to do, doubly so given the recent DMCA spree and lawsuit by Take-Two. Even if the source textures are Rockstar's property it still takes time and electricity (and thus money) to upscale them with something like ESRGAN. That being said maybe they did just upscale them seperately and happen to get very similar results, who knows?

[KarimNTerr]

My main complain, along with how bad the characters look, is the addition of HD Universe props and brands in these versions. As y'all know, the difference between Universes is very important when it comes to the lore and canon of the whole GTA series. Can't even be considered references or Easter Eggs, they just lazily reused these assets and it doesn't make any sense whatsoever

 

Notable mentions include how in the wardrobes in GTA: San Andreas, for example, you can see a Feud baseball jersey, and the poster in Franklin's room in his auntie's safehouse saying "Los Santos Owns You" inside the LVPD or the Stronzo, Dusche Gold and Logger Beer props in Mitch Baker's bar in Vice City. What the f*ck? This really ruins all the immersion for me

Edited November 14, 2021 by KarimNTerr

[BS_BlackScout]

I didn't say it was OK. In fact I opposed them in many posts. 

 

f*ck, I made a huge list of them, they look like sh*t. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by BS_BlackScout

[Ondr4H]

I watched some videos, suicidal planes are back and its even worse than before. Jetpack glitch in ganton gym is back too.

I wonder why, is not like copy 1:1 of 2004 game to Unreal? Yes?



 

[ReshiramZekrom]

Is it just me or the paramedics are nowhere to be seen? Did they bugged them like with the 360 port? 

[Americana]

Interesting how that one skyscraper in Los Santos no longer has transparent windows.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Americana

[Ondr4H]

On 11/13/2021 at 5:04 AM, PsyWarVeteran said:

"In contrast to those confusing changes, Rockstar decided to leave a GTA San Andreas mission where a character tasks you with hunting down an apparent gay man to hide a prior relationship with him, completely intact. It's not a good look for a remastered game in 2021"  -  Tyler Colp / PC Gamer

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/gta-trilogy-definitive-edition-is-a-mess/

 

We have all this butchered features, questionable design choices and on top of that, people who paid money for it can't play it because R*/GSG/T2 combo messed up so bad that the game is pulled to do damage control.

But killing Freddy is especially focused on and is deserving of its own paragraph of criticism because it is "problematic" to kill a prison rapist who happens to be gay. Obviously not acceptable in 2021!

 

You know what's not acceptable? Scamming people with a 60$ product that doesn't function.

You sumarize everything whats wrong with journalists, gaming industry and world in 2021 in one post!

Its amazing what have game journalists in 2021 as priorities, they dont even play these games!

[Ondr4H]

On 11/13/2021 at 12:10 PM, Doggy_LS said:

Yes, Rain is sucks. And...

 

 

Its not rain.

Its snowing really fast!

[MeatSafeMurderer]

28 minutes ago, Ondr4H said:

Its not rain.

Its snowing really fast!

It's milk. Apparently the cash cow wasn't quite dry yet.

[JRC99]

23 hours ago, PkUnzipper said:

 

5. Hanger 13 - Mafia 1 Definitive Edition. Easily the most under sung underdog in the industry to date. The remaster of this game remained true to the classic but in a modern engine. Every mission (including the insane level of difficulty they had over a decade ago) was recreated with extreme attention to detail.  

 

For every one of the devs listed above, its all about ACCOUNTABILITY. And a sense of RESPONSIBILITY to their fan bases. Two characteristics which are largely non existent in the AAA dev/pub gaming sector to date....

I had a lot of issues with H13 after Mafia III, but the Mafia DE completely restored my faith in them and I really want to see them do a Mafia IV. It's the only Take-Two thing I'd touch at this point.

[Ondr4H]

26 minutes ago, JRC99 said:

I had a lot of issues with H13 after Mafia III, but the Mafia DE completely restored my faith in them and I really want to see them do a Mafia IV. It's the only Take-Two thing I'd touch at this point.

Problem with M3 is main story, wery few try DLCs that are something amazing on par with M:DE story. Black ops mission, destroying nasty cult, another big map for playing? M3 get all in DLCs!

Anyway I read that T2, have problems figuring what to do with Hangar 13 . It will probably end bad for studio...

[SquoniX]

We can either criticize or appreciate this game but some people will milk this game no matter what:

 

 

I can already see Bigfoot DE videos on YouTube. 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by SquoniX

[Argonautt]

4 hours ago, SageFan said:

Some have been speculating that they might've stolen the Classic Axis mod too. The animation when crouching looks the same. 

 

 

 

 

Very easy to say GTA V first person ripped off the GTA IV first person mod, yet noone batted an eye there. Understandable these remakes aren't so good, but what do you expect.

[GhettoJesus]

 Can someone explain how on earth the timestamped glitch happened?

[Ondr4H]

8 minutes ago, GhettoJesus said:

 Can someone explain how on earth the timestamped glitch happened?

The game was rigged from start, Big Smoke and Ryder bribed car tuner to give bomb to CJ Low Rider!

[LeoneDeLaRue]

38 minutes ago, GhettoJesus said:

 Can someone explain how on earth the timestamped glitch happened?

That might not be a glitch. I saw the person who posted that in reddit say they went to the bomb shop instead of Pany N Spray, I thin they accidentally activated it in the mission

[omegaTM]

Possible fix for the missing rear lights, I haven't tested it myself yet.

[Lioshenka]

  

If you haven't seen this yet, then watch:

 

 

[KristianB2001]

2 hours ago, SquoniX said:

We can either criticize or appreciate this game but some people will milk this game no matter what:

 

 

I can already see Bigfoot DE videos on YouTube. 

 

Ahaha interesting.. I was wondering if they have finally added Bigfoot, to bring back some nostalgia sparkle in the game. Can you share the video link? I really hope that it isn’t just another fake, probably is though..

[TimMiller]

Its a damn shame. This could have been something great. The vegetation looks beautiful, especially in SanAndreas. If only they put more time and care to polish properly. Its a half assed glitch fest,

[SquoniX]

14 minutes ago, KristianB2001 said:

Ahaha interesting.. I was wondering if they have finally added Bigfoot, to bring back some nostalgia sparkle in the game. Can you share the video link? I really hope that it isn’t just another fake, probably is though..

 Someone else took this screenshot, it's probably a fake, always is, lol. 

[Lock n' Stock]

22 minutes ago, Lioshenka said:

  

If you haven't seen this yet, then watch:

 

 

This is perfect.

[GhettoJesus]

2 hours ago, LeoneDeLaRue said:

That might not be a glitch. I saw the person who posted that in reddit say they went to the bomb shop instead of Pany N Spray, I thin they accidentally activated it in the mission

That would explain it. How goddamn clumsy can you be to accidentally activate it though?

[S1aveUnit]

Looks like the DE has returned to the RGL. At least for me. Anyone else see it? 

Looks like the DE has returned to the RGL. At least for me. Anyone else see it? 

[ArcticMoon]

7 minutes ago, S1aveUnit said:

Looks like the DE has returned to the RGL. At least for me. Anyone else see it? 

Looks like the DE has returned to the RGL. At least for me. Anyone else see it? 

 

yep back for me as well