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San Andreas Definitive Edition Complaints & Criticisms Topic

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PkUnzipper

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1 hour ago, D9fred95 said:

I'm gonna point out though that a majority of the team that made Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas aren't at Obsidian anymore. Not saying they still couldn't put out some awesome games but the Black Isle guys that formed a piece of it are mostly gone.

 

While that is true, the key important (and IMO most innovative) ppl from the original Interplay dev team literally founded and are running Obsidian Games to date. In other words, the original founders who are the ones that really matter. Because these were the visionary people on the Fallout 1/2 & New Vegas teams. Without them, all the lore, humans and creatures in the Fallout universe wouldn't exist. The fallout environment wouldn't exist.

 

Basically what I'm trying to say is:

TODD HOWARD (WHOM YOUNGER GEN FALLOUT GAMERS BELIEVE CREATED THE FALLOUT FRANCHISE) IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE CREATIVE WORLD CONTENT THAT MADE BUGTHESDA THE WELL KNOWN AAA DEV IT IS TODAY. HOWARD IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY BASIC FOUNDATIONAL LORE/CONTENT THAT WAS CREATED IN THE FALLOUT UNIVERSE SINCE 1997. Any such new lore (like F76 Wendigo etc.) have all been based on real life folk lore and urban legends.  Same goes for Bugthesda's stagnation with the TES universe. But I digress.

 

TL ; DR

Black Isle dev team is STILL very much alive and kicking. Just check the senior leadership resumes over at Obsidian. These are the most important ppl who were on the original Fallout 1/2 & New Vegas visionaries. And more specifically the 3 most important (based on their dev roles in pre FO3 games)

 

1. Feargus Urqurhart: former Director at Interplay and now 1 of 5 founding CEOs at Obisidan

2. Chris Jones: former Programmer at Interplay and now 1 of 5 founding CEOs at Obisidan 

3. Chris Avellone: former Lore Master/Writer at Interplay and now  1 of 5 founding CEOs at Obisidan 

Chris Jones and Darren Monahah were more Junior dev programmers at Black Isle. And now make up the remaining 2/5 CEO founders at Obsidian. 

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AmigaMix

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1 hour ago, PkUnzipper said:

Chris Avellone: former Lore Master/Writer at Interplay and now  1 of 5 founding CEOs at Obisidan 

Your info is seriously out of date, m8!

Avellone quit Obsidian quite some time ago, he now spends his time drinking himself to death while sh*tting on Obsidian on rpg codex / twitter.

Admittedly, The man would probably still be better suited to handle Fallout's lore than Bethesda...

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To add to your argument, though: Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky are also currently both at Obsidian. 

(...and definitely not less important to Fallout's inception than someone like Avellone or even Urqurhart.)

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10 hours ago, Orthur said:

I honestly don't get you, I understand people who didn't like the look ever since the trailers but not you. The game looks exactly as it did in the trailer and some areas look really good, the lighting is vastly improved and some textures are remade (while others are just upscaled sadly).

 

The game is sh*t dude. That's why they didn't release any gameplay trailers cause they knew how garbage it looked.

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this sh*t f*cking scared me 

 

i know that this „back face cam“ was present, since i saw it on twitter but then i kinda forgot about it later and  randomly remembered it when i was playing and had no idea on which vehicle you can see this and just randomly used it on the quad 

 

and when it appeared, it scared me at first lol

 

 

like man how much did they actually playtest  these remaster? 1 second? too many things that you can see within 1 hour of playing this game (still don‘t know how the weather effects especially the f*cking ugly rain effects and the broken skybox made it thru)

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PkUnzipper

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1 hour ago, AmigaMix said:

Your info is seriously out of date, m8!

Avellone quit Obsidian quite some time ago, he now spends his time drinking himself to death while sh*tting on Obsidian on rpg codex / twitter.

Admittedly, The man would probably still be better suited to handle Fallout's lore than Bethesda...

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To add to your argument, though: Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky are also currently both at Obsidian. 

(...and definitely not less important to Fallout's inception than someone like Avellone or even Urqurhart.)

 

Oh wow. For him to leave like that reeks of a personality issue.  That's truly tragic because he was one of the best visionaries where Fallout lore was concerned. Really hoping he gets whatever help he needs to cure his inner demons. 😒 Thanks for the heads up.  

 

ahh. This is what did him in. If he's not the victim he's making himself out to be, then he's having to take a permanent vacation with Jeronimo B. (former sleazy R* VP of global productions).

 

https://chrisavellone.medium.com/ending-silence-c48e86f7c523

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Respect to this guy unlike some well known from Youtube/Twitter sellouts keeping their mouth shut about this.

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It's hilarious how this thread has 16 entire pages while the P&A thread only has 2 despite both threads being made minutes from each other.

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Ivan1997GTA

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6 minutes ago, super_slav said:

No wonder Sam Houser and Leslie Benzies left, they saw this a long time coming.

You mean Dan Houser. Sam is still around in the company.

 

Also, they didn't bother to correct the LSPD textures on the Enforcer in this Definitive Edition.

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9 minutes ago, super_slav said:

No wonder Sam Houser and Leslie Benzies left, they saw this a long time coming.

tbh one of the many reasons I'll keep my expectations super low for GTA VI (if it comes). 

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6 minutes ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

You mean Dan Houser. Sam is still around in the company.

My bad I always get them mixed up. And yes that is why I will no longer buy any Rockstar game in the future if they left it's for a reason. I was disappointed in V and ever since V came out skeptical about everything they made. IV was the pinnacle.

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4 hours ago, PkUnzipper said:

 

While that is true, the key important (and IMO most innovative) ppl from the original Interplay dev team literally founded and are running Obsidian Games to date. In other words, the original founders who are the ones that really matter. Because these were the visionary people on the Fallout 1/2 & New Vegas teams. Without them, all the lore, humans and creatures in the Fallout universe wouldn't exist. The fallout environment wouldn't exist.

 

Basically what I'm trying to say is:

TODD HOWARD (WHOM YOUNGER GEN FALLOUT GAMERS BELIEVE CREATED THE FALLOUT FRANCHISE) IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE CREATIVE WORLD CONTENT THAT MADE BUGTHESDA THE WELL KNOWN AAA DEV IT IS TODAY. HOWARD IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY BASIC FOUNDATIONAL LORE/CONTENT THAT WAS CREATED IN THE FALLOUT UNIVERSE SINCE 1997. Any such new lore (like F76 Wendigo etc.) have all been based on real life folk lore and urban legends.  Same goes for Bugthesda's stagnation with the TES universe. But I digress.

 

TL ; DR

Black Isle dev team is STILL very much alive and kicking. Just check the senior leadership resumes over at Obsidian. These are the most important ppl who were on the original Fallout 1/2 & New Vegas visionaries. And more specifically the 3 most important (based on their dev roles in pre FO3 games)

 

1. Feargus Urqurhart: former Director at Interplay and now 1 of 5 founding CEOs at Obisidan

2. Chris Jones: former Programmer at Interplay and now 1 of 5 founding CEOs at Obisidan 

3. Chris Avellone: former Lore Master/Writer at Interplay and now  1 of 5 founding CEOs at Obisidan 

Chris Jones and Darren Monahah were more Junior dev programmers at Black Isle. And now make up the remaining 2/5 CEO founders at Obsidian. 

Todd Howard is responsible for the greatest game ever made! Skyrim! If you don't buy it, you're just a hater! Skyrim inspired every game known to man, including GTA San Andreas...

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49 minutes ago, APB said:

Todd Howard is responsible for the greatest game ever made! Skyrim! If you don't buy it, you're just a hater! Skyrim inspired every game known to man, including GTA San Andreas...

While I agree with you, that Skyrim is GREAAT! I don't think it's the best game ever made. After seeing this mess of a Definitive Edition, I was planning to spend my money on Skyrim Anniversary Edition instead. It has waaay more content and obviously Bethesda cares a little bit more about its playability.

 

The free creations made me wanna jump back into Skyrim after more than 3 years of absence. I played the hell out of Skyrim on my PS3 in 2015 due to the long ass load times, and the current-gen systems boast almost 0 load times. I just need to get my system.

 

Bethesda also doesn't mind conversions from old games. There's basically 0 effort from Bethesda other than pricing and quality control while tons of new content are being made for Skyrim.

 

Rockstar on the other hand is too focused on GTA Online. Yup, they do listen to some our wish lists!! I can attest to that! But, some things like the warthog cannons and the hunter turret are still way too weak for "balancing". Lots of military vehicles that will basically get obliterated by a flying bike in a few seconds because they are too soft or lack some kind of lock-on mechanism.

 

I'd love to pitch ideas to R* support soon, I just hope they actually do something to THEIR games.

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2 hours ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

You mean Dan Houser. Sam is still around in the company.

 

I really doubt Sam has much, if any, direct involvement these days though. He's probably just there in a token role as president, collecting money and browsing ads for classic Porches

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19 minutes ago, Chazza354 said:

collecting money and browsing ads for classic Porches

And crying in the corner seeing what they've done to GTA. Hate to say it but it would have been better if EA bought rockstar in 2008 when they tried, surely could not be worse than GTAO and this. 

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Orthur

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6 hours ago, KB24 said:

 

The game is sh*t dude. That's why they didn't release any gameplay trailers cause they knew how garbage it looked.

Maybe you and I have different standards for what's considered sh*t. For me the game is far from being sh*t. Sure, it has it's flaws and sometimes broken and buggy (though I've only encountered one bug in SA so far and I've done more than 10 missions).

"It's Orthur, you dumbass!"

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On 11/11/2021 at 3:17 AM, SquoniX said:

My biggest concerns are the vegetation taking time to load in forest and desert areas. Gym muscle mechanics don't work properly. Draw distance is a bit too much. 

 

60 FPS bug like the slow swimming is still present. 

That Bug Wasn't Because Of 60 FPS

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10 minutes ago, Hamzeol Murf said:

That Bug Wasn't Because Of 60 FPS

 

Hmm, new information for me. I thought that Vadim M put it on that.

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7 hours ago, PkUnzipper said:

TODD HOWARD (WHOM YOUNGER GEN FALLOUT GAMERS BELIEVE CREATED THE FALLOUT FRANCHISE) IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE CREATIVE WORLD CONTENT THAT MADE BUGTHESDA THE WELL KNOWN AAA DEV IT IS TODAY.

It wasn't Fallout that made Bethesda a well known AAA studio, it was Daggerfall and Morrowind, one of which Todd worked as a designer on and the other a lead designer. If Morrowind never was a smash hit the studio would've went bankrupt. Oblivion exposed them even more to a console audience, which set the seeds for Fallout 3 and Skyrim, etc. Fallout has always been just a side investment for Bethesda, something to test certain new features out on before they implement them into their Elder Scrolls games. I really liked Fallout 3 though for what it's worth. 

17 hours ago, PkUnzipper said:

1. Obsidian - Founding Fathers of the Fallout franchise (made Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas)

I loved KoTOR 2 but I have mixed feelings on New Vegas. Either way, the company that made those games aren't the same company that exists now, whether or not some of their leadership is still employed at the company. They're making games like The Outer Worlds, Avowed, and Pillars of Eternity that just reek of reused concepts. The sad part is that it's Cain and Boyarsky who are spearheading these games too, and they worked with Troika to create one of my favorite games ever made, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. 

 

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4 hours ago, GhettoJesus said:

Drinking colossal amounts will break your game.

CJ drunk too much but it's the game, that sh*tted itself :prismkek:

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This remaster might contain derivative work based on stolen assets worked on by modders. See this video came up in my recommended and, while it's not normally my kind of thing, I am thinking about replaying the originals. Anyway a few minutes in something jumps out at me...Rinimo's...

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14 minutes ago, MeatSafeMurderer said:

This remaster might contain derivative work based on stolen assets worked on by modders. See this video came up in my recommended and, while it's not normally my kind of thing, I am thinking about replaying the originals. Anyway a few minutes in something jumps out at me...Rinimo's...

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Pretty sure that's also just upscaled, they probably upscaled the original model and guessed that it was Rinimos

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1 hour ago, Orthur said:

Maybe you and I have different standards for what's considered sh*t. For me the game is far from being sh*t. Sure, it has it's flaws and sometimes broken and buggy (though I've only encountered one bug in SA so far and I've done more than 10 missions).

I've done about 73 or so and trust me, it's sh*t lmao

RN I'm stuck at architectural espionage because I get instakilled by cops when I leave the city hall building, because I get cornered by like 4 cops who all shoot at me at the same time

And like 10 minutes before that my game crashed because I was changing the brightness lmao

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6 minutes ago, Clipper95 said:

Pretty sure that's also just upscaled, they probably upscaled the original model and guessed that it was Rinimos

It's an AI upscale, yes, but are two different AI algorithms going to get the same end result? Doubtful. I suppose they could've just happened to use the exact same algorithm...but what are the chances of that? I think it's far more likely that they used assets made (or in this case AI upscaled) by the modding community as a base.

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5 hours ago, GhettoJesus said:
Drinking colossal amounts will break your game.

 

CJ died of diabetes?

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Has anyone noticed (in San Andreas at least, haven't played the others) that every single steering wheel in the game has Bluetooth controls... in 1992 lmao

 

I can't believe how low-quality infested the gaming industry has become these past few years.

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