How is Rockstar Games woke?

[MetroFloaty]

I see people saying they are all the time but I still don't understand what they're talking about, lol, just sounds like neoconservative drivel 

[BilalKurd]

Spiderman 2 Ps2

[MrBreak16]

These days, people say that everything is woke. People are stupid

[beatlemnkyhuman]

The grand theft auto games take the popular drug and mafia and gang culture of america and push it to an extreme. They add comedy and ridiculous things to characters to shine a light on a part of society that is usually glamourized and instead of allowing it to be seen as cool or just or right, they twist and turn all the games and their characters to show the downfalls and issues with that life.

 

Yeah, Franklin gets rich and has a big house but he still lost his love and his friend is still Lamar.

Yeah, Trevor is a meth head but he loves his mom and his mom is still ridiculously mean and pushes his mental problems further.

Yeah, Micheal becomes a movie director but his daughter will probably do pr0n, his wife cheats on him all the time and his son is a problem child.

 

GTA 6 will probably show even more how the pitfalls are for that lifestyle.

 

Yes, GTA is very "woke" but it's hidden behind fun gameplay and complex characters.

 

Ultimately, those that live a fast and wild lifestyle would never play the full story either, just like they don't watch the end of mafia movies.

[BilalKurd]

Similarly, Niko becomes a powerful playa in LC but still has funny cousin call foe bowling

And CJ become have hydra on top of home but still wear green clothing

[slimeball supreme]

A lot of people really like to think they have a handle on what the games are going for while also missing every joke at their expense. A lot of people like to make overly general statements about the satire and stories while seemingly not really understanding it at all. Something you just sort of have to get used to

[Jezus Holy Christ]

Sounds like neoconservative drivel because that's what it is. Everybody should just learn to take a joke.

 

This whole "woke this", "sjw that" and the "everything is racist and ableist" responses it evokes is just a bunch of teenagers going through a phase worldwide and I would never judge art by these surface level standards.

Edited November 2, 2021 by Jezus Holy Christ

[MetroFloaty]

1 hour ago, beatlemnkyhuman said:

The grand theft auto games take the popular drug and mafia and gang culture of america and push it to an extreme. They add comedy and ridiculous things to characters to shine a light on a part of society that is usually glamourized and instead of allowing it to be seen as cool or just or right, they twist and turn all the games and their characters to show the downfalls and issues with that life.

 

Yeah, Franklin gets rich and has a big house but he still lost his love and his friend is still Lamar.

Yeah, Trevor is a meth head but he loves his mom and his mom is still ridiculously mean and pushes his mental problems further.

Yeah, Micheal becomes a movie director but his daughter will probably do pr0n, his wife cheats on him all the time and his son is a problem child.

 

GTA 6 will probably show even more how the pitfalls are for that lifestyle.

 

Yes, GTA is very "woke" but it's hidden behind fun gameplay and complex characters.

 

Ultimately, those that live a fast and wild lifestyle would never play the full story either, just like they don't watch the end of mafia movies.

 

Showing the pitfalls of crime and luxury is not "woke", what people refer to when they use that term is overly leftist/progressive rhetoric, which I've struggled to see in any games from Rockstar 

[beatlemnkyhuman]

7 minutes ago, MetroFloaty said:

 

Showing the pitfalls of crime and luxury is not "woke", what people refer to when they use that term is overly leftist/progressive rhetoric, which I've struggled to see in any games from Rockstar 

Oh so you want that version of "woke?"

 

Ok that's easy....just take the games at surface level really

 

SPOILERS AHEAD

 

Franklins ex marries a doctor.

 

Franklin gets out of the hood.

 

Kendal is in an interracial relationship.

 

The cops in s.a are assholes.

 

Micheal wants out of the game.

 

Trevor really cares about his friends and family.

 

C.J. ends up owning casinos.

 

The Grove street gang hate drug dealers.

 

It goes on and on

 

EDIT:

 

I hear my detractors so there's surface level and then there's the satire so none of that stuff matter anyway cus it's a joke right?

 

It depends.

 

Is it a joke that Franklins ex married a doctor or is the joke that she would even bother to tell his ass?

 

See what I'm saying?

 

Is the joke that cops in San Andreas are assholes or is the joke that it's a black cop a white cop and an Mexican cop that like to call CJ on his private number?

 

It's how you look at it.

Edited November 2, 2021 by beatlemnkyhuman

[MetroFloaty]

7 minutes ago, beatlemnkyhuman said:

Oh so you want that version of "woke?"

 

Ok that's easy....just take the games at surface level really

 

SPOILERS AHEAD

 

Franklins ex marries a doctor.

 

Franklin gets out of the hood.

 

Kendal is in an interracial relationship.

 

The cops in s.a are assholes.

 

Micheal wants out of the game.

 

Trevor really cares about his friends and family.

 

C.J. ends up owning casinos.

 

The Grove street gang hate drug dealers.

 

It goes on and on

 

EDIT:

 

I hear my detractors so there's surface level and then there's the satire so none of that stuff matter anyway cus it's a joke right?

 

It depends.

 

Is it a joke that Franklins ex married a doctor or is the joke that she would even bother to tell his ass?

 

See what I'm saying?

 

Is the joke that cops in San Andreas are assholes or is the joke that it's a black cop a white cop and an Mexican cop that like to call CJ on his private number?

 

It's how you look at it.

 

None of the things you listed are woke in any measure

 

A black character succeeding in a piece of media is not woke lmfao

[beatlemnkyhuman]

1 minute ago, MetroFloaty said:

 

None of the things you listed are woke in any measure

 

A black character succeeding in a piece of media is not woke lmfao

It was 20 years ago.

 

Let me think

 

Catalina robs banks

There's woozie who's blind and runs casinos

There's a tech savvy dude who loves gadgets.

Cj dates all races and all of them have good jobs I think.

You can dress your character however you want.

Trevor can wear a dress.

I mean realistically any character can be gay....that's kinda personal ya know

 

Any of them can be closeted when you think about it.

[MetroFloaty]

Just now, beatlemnkyhuman said:

It was 20 years ago.

 

Let me think

 

Catalina robs banks

There's woozie who's blind and runs casinos

There's a tech savvy dude who loves gadgets.

Cj dates all races and all of them have good jobs I think.

You can dress your character however you want.

Trevor can wear a dress.

I mean realistically any character can be gay....that's kinda personal ya know

 

Any of them can be closeted when you think about it.

 

These things aren't woke they're just non-stereotypical characters

[beatlemnkyhuman]

5 minutes ago, MetroFloaty said:

 

These things aren't woke they're just non-stereotypical characters

Just read there's gay pedestrians in San Andreas holding hands.

 

Gay and lesbians.

 

So what's woke to you?

 

EDIT:

 

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Huganimals.com

 

 

Look random person on the internet...it's probably somewhere in the games ok? Whatever the f*ck your woke is....it's prolly there lmao

Edited November 2, 2021 by beatlemnkyhuman

[Zapper]

Well, if they are always sleeping how are they making games anyway? They have to be woke in some capacity .

[MetroFloaty]

10 minutes ago, beatlemnkyhuman said:

Just read there's gay pedestrians in San Andreas holding hands.

 

Gay and lesbians.

 

So what's woke to you?

 

That's such a minor feature that likely went unnoticed by 99% of players that I wouldn't even consider it

 

If you want "woke" look at the new Saints Row or Battlefield where they include disabled black women in European armies

 

Nothing Rockstar does is aggressively and unnecessarily inclusive or politically correct besides some things like removing the confederate flag, which despite being negatives still aren't enough to give Rockstar the "woke" reputation these neocon brainlets are claiming it has.

I've yet to see a Rockstar game with a hamfisted butch looking gay black woman with an undercut spouting millennial buzzwords and acting like a hipster urbanite as a protagonist, which is something pretty much every AAA game does nowadays from Ubisoft to EA

 

10 minutes ago, beatlemnkyhuman said:

Just read there's gay pedestrians in San Andreas holding hands.

 

Gay and lesbians.

 

So what's woke to you?

 

EDIT:

 

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Huganimals.com

 

 

Look random person on the internet...it's probably somewhere in the games ok? Whatever the f*ck your woke is....it's prolly there lmao

 

You really don't seem to understand what "woke" means.

Woke doesn't mean "not racist" or "not despicable" or "not evil" or "not being an asshole piece of sh*t". Woke means aggressively parading progressive rhetoric to the point where it becomes hamfisted, unnatural and unnecessary.

Seeing two male peds hold hands in San Fierro ONCE through your entire 60 hour playthrough of San Andreas or the existence of a website calling for respecting animals on GTA 4 which 99% of players have never visited anyway is not what "woke" means. 

Edited November 2, 2021 by MetroFloaty

[Wakka387]

25 minutes ago, beatlemnkyhuman said:

Just read there's gay pedestrians in San Andreas holding hands.

 

Gay and lesbians.

 

So what's woke to you?

 

EDIT:

 

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Huganimals.com

 

 

Look random person on the internet...it's probably somewhere in the games ok? Whatever the f*ck your woke is....it's prolly there lmao

You do realize that the "Gay people holding hands" was literally a thing that was representative of a real life (well known gay) area they depicted of San Fierro (San Francisco) called the Castro District (Queens in SA). Literally only happens there, nowhere else in the game...

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Queens

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castro_District,_San_Francisco

 

That isn't being "Woke", that is just depicting reality.

 

Also that "Huganimals.com" is literally a pet adoption service website parody (parody means making fun of something btw), and is a continuation of GTA3's "PetsOvernight.com" joke

 

https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Pets_Overnight

 

19 minutes ago, MetroFloaty said:

 

That's such a minor feature that likely went unnoticed by 99% of players that I wouldn't even consider it

 

If you want "woke" look at the new Saints Row or Battlefield where they include disabled black women in European armies

 

Nothing Rockstar does is aggressively and unnecessarily inclusive or politically correct besides some things like removing the confederate flag, which despite being negatives still aren't enough to give Rockstar the "woke" reputation these neocon brainlets are claiming it has.

I've yet to see a Rockstar game with a hamfisted butch looking gay black woman with an undercut spouting millennial buzzwords and acting like a hipster urbanite as a protagonist, which is something pretty much every AAA game does nowadays from Ubisoft to EA

 

Care to explain where "Disabled black women in European Armies" can be found in Battlefield? I run a Battlefield research community and have never seen such a thing in the series...

 

The only thing "Close" to a disabled female character was the character shown in the Battlefield V Multiplayer trailer that never got added to the game, and she was supposed to be a generic french resistance fighting woman.

 

Anyway, "Woke" is just a sh*tty buzzword people throw at things they don't like. much like how "Thug" became a thinly veiled buzzword replacement for the "N-word" in the 90s.

Edited November 2, 2021 by Wakka387

[MetroFloaty]

25 minutes ago, Wakka387 said:

The only thing "Close" to a disabled female character was the character shown in the Battlefield V Multiplayer trailer that never got added to the game, and she was supposed to be a generic french resistance fighting woman.

 

I don't remember all the political controversy WW2 Battlefield games sparked throughout the years but I remember very clearly that there were a bunch of historically inaccurate decisions for political pandering

 

I may be wrong or blowing it out of proportion but that's besides the point I'm trying to make which is that Rockstar isn't anywhere close to that

[BS_BlackScout]

I can't be arsed to care if they are woke, broke, rope or whatever the hell. I just want to enjoy the games for f*ck's sake.

[Ivan1997GTA]

Because they're starting to appease the politically correct demographic.

[Wakka387]

2 hours ago, MetroFloaty said:

 

I don't remember all the political controversy WW2 Battlefield games sparked throughout the years but I remember very clearly that there were a bunch of historically inaccurate decisions for political pandering

 

I may be wrong or blowing it out of proportion but that's besides the point I'm trying to make which is that Rockstar isn't anywhere close to that

it was a mountain out of a mole hill, trailer had weird decisions (basically what COD Vanguard is doing), people complained, it was changed, people somehow turned it into a political thing that others keep bringing up despite nothing about it being present.

 

it was very dumb, EA had a twitter bot that posted hashtag tweets at the reveal event (basically, if you tweeted #everyonesbattlefield, your tweet was shown on the monitor), a group of people trolled the sh*t out of it with sh*tty hashtag memes (like what happened with the Microsoft twitter bot), then another group of people (one of which being unironically a pedo) tried to use the "Trolling" as a way of claiming "DICE" was attacking the fanbase or whatever.

 

 

 

 

Tl;dr

People didn't like the alternate reality WW2 setting, tried to turn Battlefield V's public forum & discussion boards into "GamersGate 2.0". DICE changed everything by the time the game released, but people were dead set on making the game as politically divisive as possible and review bombed it to hell, then COVID hit and the game got shelved.

 

Fun Fact: A lot of the uniforms were generally historically accurate and some even obscure, only a handful were post-WW2 things (blame DICE LA). Unfortunately, "Armchair Historians" did not research and merely just assumed things weren't historically accurate because "Muh COD World at War". so yea...

Edited November 2, 2021 by Wakka387

[CynicalMexican]

7 hours ago, MetroFloaty said:

I see people saying they are all the time but I still don't understand what they're talking about, lol, just sounds like neoconservative drivel 

 

I think it's a knee jerk reaction that was partly influenced by the disastrous Saints Row rebrand. It just gets thrown around to incite anger or complain about political correctness.

 

This isn't Ghostbusters 2016 or Saints Row though. The games largely look the same. It was one minor detail that seemingly became the whole argument. 

 

We don't have more than what we've been shown, so it's hard to make a judgment.

 

I think it's worth pointing out that much of the offensive content in the Mafia series has been left intact.

1 hour ago, Wakka387 said:

it was a mountain out of a mole hill, trailer had weird decisions (basically what COD Vanguard is doing), people complained, it was changed, people somehow turned it into a political thing that others keep bringing up despite nothing about it being present.

 

it was very dumb, EA had a twitter bot that posted hashtag tweets at the reveal event (basically, if you tweeted #everyonesbattlefield, your tweet was shown on the monitor), a group of people trolled the sh*t out of it with sh*tty hashtag memes (like what happened with the Microsoft twitter bot), then another group of people (one of which being unironically a pedo) tried to use the "Trolling" as a way of claiming "DICE" was attacking the fanbase or whatever.

 

 

 

 

Tl;dr

People didn't like the alternate reality WW2 setting, tried to turn Battlefield V's public forum & discussion boards into "GamersGate 2.0". DICE changed everything by the time the game released, but people were dead set on making the game as politically divisive as possible and review bombed it to hell, then COVID hit and the game got shelved.

 

Fun Fact: A lot of the uniforms were generally historically accurate and some even obscure, only a handful were post-WW2 things (blame DICE LA). Unfortunately, "Armchair Historians" did not research and merely just assumed things weren't historically accurate because "Muh COD World at War". so yea...

 

Unpopular opinion but a twist on WW2 isn't such a bad thing. Because you might as well have the same boring WW2 game.

 

That, and the Soviet Union did have field female soldiers on the front. It's not such a crazy idea, really.

Edited November 2, 2021 by CynicalMexican

[The Tracker]

57 minutes ago, CynicalMexican said:

I think it's worth pointing out that much of the offensive content in the Mafia series has been left intact.

 

Indeed

 

 

[CynicalMexican]

15 minutes ago, The Tracker said:

 

Indeed

 

 

 

I miss playing this game back in the day.

[Killerman29]

Trevor is a lunatic who can kill anyone who messes with him, but at least he is not racist or homophobic, that's a woke writing

[Ivan1997GTA]

2 hours ago, CynicalMexican said:

I think it's worth pointing out that much of the offensive content in the Mafia series has been left intact.

Oh, Rockstar Games, why can't you be more like 2K Czech/Hangar 13?

 

By that, I mean placing a content warning about offensive content of the original games without drastically altering them in the remasters.

Edited November 2, 2021 by Ivan1997GTA

[billiejoearmstrong8]

Rockstar has been "woke" for a long time, I guess some people were just too stupid to understand that the games are satire that mock ignorance, bigotry, racism, homophobia etc in society and don't condone it. Look at GTA IV or V. Both contain a diverse range of characters including people of different races and sexualities etc. Every "good"/on your side character is open minded and accepting and every "bad" character is small minded and bigoted. The fastest way to tell if a GTA character is good or bad is to see if they're sexist/homophobic/racist or not - to the point that the main redeeming quality they gave Trevor to balance out murder, mayhem and cannibalism is he hates bigotry. And this has been the case for well over a decade.

 

People are just so much more over defensive now. Take these three things: Rockstar made a game called "The Ballad of Gay Tony" in 2009, made a protagonist who is optionally bisexual in 2006 (Bully), and a bisexual GTA protagonist in 2013. In the past that was just what they did and it wasn't a big deal, but if any of those things or similar happened now can you imagine how triggered the people who freak out about a flag on a shirt would be, all crying about wokeness? It's ridiculous.

 

Rockstar have always A) Been progressive in their games, B) Caused offense to some people and C) Continued to include potentially controversial content anyway. And conservatives used to rally against GTA 100 times more than any liberals do now - in fact most liberals or SJWs or whatever really don't care about GTA. Calm the f*ck down.

 

11 minutes ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

 

 

By that, I mean placing a content warning about offensive content of the original games without drastically altering them in the remasters.

 

Complete list of things being altered:

 

- A picture on a shirt

 

How is this "drastic" exactly?

Edited November 2, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[GhettoJesus]

If anything I always felt like GTA games poked fun at everyone within reasonable limits. I don't necessarily see the reason for the flag removal but that's not muh "woke sjws" at work. People are taking that too seriously.

[CynicalMexican]

23 minutes ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

Oh, Rockstar Games, why can't you be more like 2K Czech/Hangar 13?

 

By that, I mean placing a content warning about offensive content of the original games without drastically altering them in the remasters.

 

Yeah, this I agree with. History is not politically correct. But the GTA games as a whole are not nearly as intense as the Mafia games.

[CynicalMexican]

21 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Rockstar has been "woke" for a long time, I guess some people were just too stupid to understand that the games are satire that mock ignorance, bigotry, racism, homophobia etc in society and don't condone it. Look at GTA IV or V. Both contain a diverse range of characters including people of different races and sexualities etc. Every "good"/on your side character is open minded and accepting and every "bad" character is small minded and bigoted. The fastest way to tell if a GTA character is good or bad is to see if they're sexist/homophobic/racist or not - to the point that the main redeeming quality they gave Trevor to balance out murder, mayhem and cannibalism is he hates bigotry. And this has been the case for well over a decade.

 

People are just so much more over defensive now. Take these three things: Rockstar made a game called "The Ballad of Gay Tony" in 2009, made a protagonist who is optionally bisexual in 2006 (Bully), and a bisexual GTA protagonist in 2013. In the past that was just what they did and it wasn't a big deal, but if any of those things or similar happened now can you imagine how triggered the people who freak out about a flag on a shirt would be, all crying about wokeness? It's ridiculous.

 

Rockstar have always A) Been progressive in their games, B) Caused offense to some people and C) Continued to include potentially controversial content anyway. And conservatives used to rally against GTA 100 times more than any liberals do now - in fact most liberals or SJWs or whatever really don't care about GTA. Calm the f*ck down.

 

Yeah, a lot of people forget that the GTA games have always been about diversity and representation.

 

GTA 3 had what we would call "women in power". You had the badass Catalina who is calculative and evil, and one of your allies is a ruthless Japanese female mob boss who is ultimately killed by that female antagonist.

 

I'm kind of dreading a GTA 6 female protag announcement because of the reactionism. We are going to reach Hiroshima levels of toxicity, no joke.

[Valiant ENT CEO]

They blacked out the gta online servers like a year ago or something? I think it was only for a few hours to "protest" against police brutality and stand with the black community... How woke can you get?