Will Psycho Killer make the remaster?

[Lioshenka]

I'm inclined to believe that this is true. The removal of the confederate flag strongly suggests it - I mean, you had to be pretty sad to pay attention to the flag on Phil's shirt (mind you, used in a valid historical and storytelling context) while playing the game. If R* went into trouble of deleting such insignificant part of the game I'm sure they'll re-move anything that can be considered even remotely offensive to the woke mob.

 

The irony? There will still be something left that is ought to offend someone, so the whole idea of de-offending parts of the game, as well-intended as it is, is futile.

 

I mean, we have people protesting right now that the Government isn't insulating their houses for free... Don't let them see all the air conditioninig units in VC - it's all part of R*'s evil plan to fuel the global warming!

Edited October 27, 2021 by Lioshenka

[Lock n' Stock]

Censorship aside, anyone want to speculate how Love Fist "ruined" this guy's life exactly? And then in the next mission he says he "gave them the chance to be friends". Really makes you wonder...

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Lock n' Stock

[universetwisters]

1 hour ago, Lock n' Stock said:

Censorship aside, anyone want to speculate how Love Fist "ruined" this guy's life exactly? And then in the next mission he says he "gave them the chance to be friends". Really makes you wonder...

 

 

He wanted to be friends with them so he could shave their big hairy asses but they said "no" and it shattered his hopes and dreams

[billiejoearmstrong8]

You guys know there isn't some big campaign to get GTA to change anything in the remasters though right? It's just the company deciding this, based on either what is best for their image/is less likely to alienate customers or based on them changing their mind that it belongs in the game, or a combination of both. It's a bit silly to go off criticising these "offended people" when they're imaginary. More of that going on in the main thread than here but still.

Edited October 27, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[jaljax]

2 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

You guys know there isn't some big campaign to get GTA to change anything in the remasters though right? It's just the company deciding this, based on either what is best for their image/is less likely to alienate customers or based on them changing their mind that it belongs in the game, or a combination of both. It's a bit silly to go off criticising these "offended people" when they're imaginary. More of that going on in the main thread than here but still.

I think the whole point of everyone wondering with censorship to the games is because of the confederate flag missing on Phil's shirt in the trailer & they were the type of company that could care less about offensiveness behaviour in their games & a prime example of that is the Manhunt Series, but of course that game is a bit off topic because this is GTA we're talking about.

 

Hopefully they don't get rid of the character though to be honest, but if it does get censored I wonder what will take the psychos place .

[billiejoearmstrong8]

18 minutes ago, jaljax said:

I think the whole point of everyone wondering with censorship to the games is because of the confederate flag missing on Phil's shirt in the trailer & they were the type of company that could care less about offensiveness behaviour in their games & a prime example of that is the Manhunt Series, but of course that game is a bit off topic because this is GTA we're talking about.

 

Hopefully they don't get rid of the character though to be honest, but if it does get censored I wonder what will take the psychos place .

 

Someone just told me that apparantly Apple have a blanket rule that they won't sell things with the confederate flag in their store? If that or something similar is the case it could easily just be that they decided a random character's shirt isn't worth that hassle. I just wouldn't start freaking out that everything will be censored before there's any indication that this isn't a one off.

Edited October 27, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[boomboom5950]

i dont really care that they removed that flag from phils shirt, at the end of the day its just a jpeg that means nothing to me if it is there or if it isn't. But if they remove entire missions and entire dialogue then thats a problem. Some of the fat jokes were hilarious and i would hate to see that be removed because a few people refuse to believe they are killing themselves

[Algonquin Assassin]

4 hours ago, Zerdical said:

i dont really care that they removed that flag from phils shirt, at the end of the day its just a jpeg that means nothing to me if it is there or if it isn't. But if they remove entire missions and entire dialogue then thats a problem. Some of the fat jokes were hilarious and i would hate to see that be removed because a few people refuse to believe they are killing themselves

 

They wont remove missions entirely since that would probably be a hassle in regards to story/plot continuity. However in saying that I never really noticed that the Confederate flag was already removed in GTA V so it seems like they were following a precedent? Whether that's wrong or right is up to individual interpretation.

 

But I do think some people are overreacting IMO. Just because the Confederate flag was removed it doesn't mean they're going to go through every single game with a fine tooth comb looking to pick out everything that could be considered offensive. Even that in itself would be a laborious task since the 3D era GTAs are riddled with offensive jokes. The time and effort that would require they might as well have remade the games entirely and rewrote everything in a way to suit a "modern audience". 

 

The raunchy, carefree, over the top nature we've always loved will still be there. 

 

 

[boomboom5950]

39 minutes ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

 

They wont remove missions entirely since that would probably be a hassle in regards to story/plot continuity. However in saying that I never really noticed that the Confederate flag was already removed in GTA V so it seems like they were following a precedent? Whether that's wrong or right is up to individual interpretation.

 

But I do think some people are overreacting IMO. Just because the Confederate flag was removed it doesn't mean they're going to go through every single game with a fine tooth comb looking to pick out everything that could be considered offensive. Even that in itself would be a laborious task since the 3D era GTAs are riddled with offensive jokes. The time and effort that would require they might as well have remade the games entirely and rewrote everything in a way to suit a "modern audience". 

 

The raunchy, carefree, over the top nature we've always loved will still be there. 

 

 

yea honestly i hope its only the flag, cause it was removed from gta v, so clearly the people at rockstar dont like that flag. I just hope everything else stays in the game as it was originally

[Algonquin Assassin]

3 hours ago, Zerdical said:

yea honestly i hope its only the flag, cause it was removed from gta v, so clearly the people at rockstar dont like that flag. I just hope everything else stays in the game as it was originally

 

I had more of a look into it and apparently in 2015 Apple put a ban on any games containing the Confederate flag and that’s one of the platforms the definitive edition will be sold on.

 

What if it’s not necessarily R* becoming pussies to appease the woke crowd  (atleast that’s the idea some people have) and it’s more to do with them making the change so it can be sold on IOS? 
 

Seems reasonable to me. We’ll just have to wait and see what else has been changed if anything at all.

 

 

[Helegad]

On 10/26/2021 at 10:17 AM, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

are we really going to believe they're going to gut a mission in an almost 20 years old game just because it has some guy who wears female clothes as a disguise which is other wise not really that important to the story? 

 

Yes.

[boomboom5950]

7 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

 

I had more of a look into it and apparently in 2015 Apple put a ban on any games containing the Confederate flag and that’s one of the platforms the definitive edition will be sold on.

 

What if it’s not necessarily R* becoming pussies to appease the woke crowd  (atleast that’s the idea some people have) and it’s more to do with them making the change so it can be sold on IOS? 
 

Seems reasonable to me. We’ll just have to wait and see what else has been changed if anything at all.

 

 

doubt it, they removed them from GTA V that isnt sold on iOS, and we have seen rockstar make adjustments to games to sell them in different stores/regions (german versions of gta 3 etc.)

[universetwisters]

11 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

What if it’s not necessarily R* becoming pussies to appease the woke crowd  (atleast that’s the idea some people have) and it’s more to do with them making the change so it can be sold on IOS? 

 

idk man, I think that the amount of stuff they sell on ios compared to the rest of the platforms combined isn't worth the change. Now if they had to get rid of it in order to sell it on Steam or Xbox, I'd understand that logic

[Algonquin Assassin]

7 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

Idk man, I think that the amount of stuff they sell on ios compared to the rest of the platforms combined isn't worth the change. Now if they had to get rid of it in order to sell it on Steam or Xbox, I'd understand that logic

Maybe so, but in order to sell the games on IOS I suppose they have to abide by Apple's legal guidelines. The amount they sell compared to other platforms isn't really relevant to the point I'm making. On second thought billiejoearmstrong8 already mentioned this above (I just noticed her post). Sorry.

 

Anyway I forgot to mention I actually agree with everyone else that on principle alone nothing should be censored however I'm not going to ignore possible outside factors that might be out of R*'s control or there's some kind of legal implication involved. It's easy for us to sit behind our computers on a discussion forum and pass judgement, but at the end of the day we really don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes.

 

Where censorship is concerned I think the only time I'll start worrying is if they start censoring things that societal sensibilities aren't twisting their arms and it's done more for creative intent. For example lets use Phil again. On top of removing the Confederate flag iconography they decide to tone down his entire character because the stereotype of drunken rednecks isn't seen as acceptable in 2021. Now that would be pretty radical and controversial.

 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by MiamiViceCity1986

[universetwisters]

6 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

Maybe so, but in order to sell the games on IOS I suppose they have to abide by Apple's legal guidelines. The amount they sell compared to other platforms isn't really relevant to the point I'm making.

idk I’d like to think that rockstar wouldn’t change anything just to appease some small demographic, but then again *insert joke about grove street game developers being SJW soyboys thats been told dozens of times before*

 

Speaking of censorship, is there anyone who actually agrees with it? I only know one who said that the psycho being a crossdresser hurts other trans people but that’s just one and I dunno if people actually concerned about this are anywhere in the minority or actually more prominent but not vocal

[sabitsuki]

The title got me thinking they're gonna add talking heads into the soundtrack lol

[DexMacLeod]

On 10/29/2021 at 12:05 PM, universetwisters said:

idk man, I think that the amount of stuff they sell on ios compared to the rest of the platforms combined isn't worth the change. Now if they had to get rid of it in order to sell it on Steam or Xbox, I'd understand that logic

 

I can't imagine changing the logo on his T-shirt took much effort at all in the grand scheme of things. I doubt it was anymore time/energy than whatever their workflow would have been to recreate the old one.

 

12 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Speaking of censorship, is there anyone who actually agrees with it?

 

I mean, it depends on the situation. To me, the Vice City/Confederate Flag feels like self-censorship which is something I think everyone should have the right to do. In a time where more and more people are starting to at least pretend to understand all of what that flag represents it makes sense that a company might not want to use it on a character who's supposed to be an ally to the protagonist.

 

As far as the mission in question is concerned, that was making fun of fans/fandom more than anything else.

 

[nick323f]

Welcome to the new "clean" and "politically correct" era of GTA series... if it's true, we best keep good memories of old original games, keep their legacy alive, and not have high hopes for future ... part of sole of GTA series is it's rude and offensive satire of society 

[billiejoearmstrong8]

32 minutes ago, nick323f said:

Welcome to the new "clean" and "politically correct" era of GTA series... if it's true, we best keep good memories of old original games, keep their legacy alive, and not have high hopes for future ... part of sole of GTA series is it's rude and offensive satire of society 

 

Yeah because this is the first time GTA has ever censored themselves...oh wait they've been doing it since 3D era.

[vicecityfan89]

much as I would love a ao rated gta I'll definitely play it fo'sho  i wished the streets still had prostitutes and hookers just like 90's nyc 

[DylRicho]

On 10/24/2021 at 6:19 PM, universetwisters said:

I was meandering along the discord and I found this """""list""""" of cuts coming to the remaster. Probably fake because no source, but we do know that Phil's confederate flag got removed from his shirt (I hate the confederate flag but it made sense with Phil because he's a dumb redneck and he gets his arm blown off) and the list brings up another good potential target for a cut; Psycho Killer, where you chase after and kill a psycho fan who's also a crossdresser. Will the mission probably be cut entirely? Will the target just be a regular looking person and not a crossdresser? Or will the original mission stay in remaster regardless?

 

E. wtf I thought I posted the """""list"""""

 

 

The list makes no sense. I understand that they might not want to alienate anyone, but this is an 18+ game with a lot of profanity, nudity and all kinds of language that was more popular for the time of the game.

 

This is why I like physical copies of games. I'll bet half the radio stations are empty or replaced with new songs. I've been playing Vice City lately, I've just got the hidden packages to get and the final one or two missions to complete before I'm at 100%. One thing I noticed coming from GTA III is how short the story is. The majority of Vice City is side missions and assets. The actual story is short as heck. And now they're making it even shorter? That's sad.

 

So this leaves me wondering, because if Rockstar is really going to water down the game like this, the list should be triple the size:

 

• What about the prostitution-related missions in San Andreas?
• If you're going to remove "fat shaming," what about slim shaming? Comments on his smell? How far do you go with this?
• There's a lot of derogatory slang within Vice City and San Andreas especially. Is all of this removed? I doubt it.

 

Let's not forget that GTA V has plenty of derogatory terms within its story, and that's set in far more recent times in the early 2010s when this sort of thing shouldn't be deemed acceptable. But somehow going back to the 80s and 90s, we must remove it? Heck, you can't even swear in the text chat of GTA Online, but plenty of NPCs shout all kinds of profanity. It makes no sense.

 

I might not agree with certain things that characters do or have, such as the Confederate flag, but I understand that it's just a game and these are characters within a specific time period. It's exactly the same as any sitcom or soap opera you might watch. Language is dated according to the setting of the show, even if it isn't accepted socially today. That doesn't mean you sensor the s**t out of it. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by DylRicho

[LotusRIP]

What's the point. You may as well remove the entire game from itself. The whole point is to feel offended - anyone with a moral compass would understand the satire beneath it all. 

 

What about the Norman Bates in Psycho dressing as his mother. Do the trans community feel offended about that too? Let's just remove the very essence of everything from everything, so we can just sit here doing nothing and exist. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by LotusRIP

[Journey_95]

On 10/31/2021 at 7:17 PM, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

Yeah because this is the first time GTA has ever censored themselves...oh wait they've been doing it since 3D era.

 

Yeah removing a sex mini game is definitely comparable with censoring all the games so people don't get offended...3D era games and GTA IV+V still made fun of everyone and didn't hold back.

But since liberals are more puritanical now than conservatives were in the 90s/early 2000s GTA will be going PC. No wonder Dan Houser left. Stop denying that things have changed a lot in the last few years

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Journey_95

[billiejoearmstrong8]

1 hour ago, Journey_95 said:

 

Yeah removing a sex mini game is definitely comparable with censoring all the games so people don't get offended...3D era games and GTA IV+V still made fun of everyone and didn't hold back.

But since liberals are more puritanical now than conservatives were in the 90s/early 2000s GTA will be going PC. No wonder Dan Houser left. Stop denying that things have changed a lot in the last few years

 

 

They might not even have removed it primarily "to avoid offending people". It could be as simple as Apple might not sell it in their store and a shirt isn't worth the hassle of that. It isn't making fun of anyone or satire, it's just a shirt with a flag on it. Maybe they reasoned that since it really isn't integral to the character and since he seems like a good guy there's no real reason to have such a negative image on the shirt? Who knows. Both times they censored themselves to avoid offense, issues and/or losing sales. And it's not the only other time either, there was also the dialogue about Haitians removed from Vice City. Every single GTA game will have had multiple things that they considered putting in it but decide it against it or toned it down because they decided it went too far and might cause too much offense. It just occasionally happens after the fact.

 

GTA got WAY more criticism from conservatives back then than it does from liberals now (including from both republican and democrat US politicians - not forgetting that by European standards both are on the conservative side). And they influenced it way more, and they had to censor themselves way more because of it. Sexual content could only be very tame, and they couldn't even put the word "f*ck" in the games until San Andreas. Current liberals/SJWs or whatever don't care about GTA. It's not a big topic on their radar and there's no big campaigns against it from them.

 

Since when is censoring an image on a random character's shirt "censoring all the games"? I've seen ZERO evidence of any liberals/SJWs saying anything about these remasters or of anyone calling for anything to be removed from them. And ZERO evidence that they're planning to censor anything else. It's ridiculous for people to get hysterical about how they're going to censor everything in the games and blame imaginary offended people for it when there's no evidence that suggests that's what's happening.

Edited November 1, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[DexMacLeod]

Do some people not realize that the list that started this whole conversation is almost certainly fake? It's borderline insane to me that people can get so worked up about a company hypothetically being slightly more deferential than they were almost twenty years ago.

 

Even if they do edit this mission, what's really lost? The guy's onscreen for a few seconds and him being dressed like a woman adds almost nothing and didn't really make any sense in the first place. Honestly, before this thread I didn't even remember the mission in question.

[SonnyNapoli]

Even if they want to cater to snowflake twitter society instead of removing a mission they can just replace a guy in a skirt with a white cis dude and problem solved, if I understand their agenda correctly. 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by SonnyNapoli

[DexMacLeod]

6 minutes ago, SonnyNapoli said:

Even if they want to cater to snowflake twitter society instead of removing a mission they can just replace a guy in a skirt with a white cis dude and problem solved, if I understand their agenda correctly. 

 

 

 

Who's the snowflakes in this situation, though? Nobody went on twitter asking for this to be removed but people in here are all up in arms about the mere thought that it possibly, maybe could be changed. If you ask me the it's the people who can't seem to tolerate tolerance who do the bulk of the complaining around here.  

[SonnyNapoli]

3 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

 

Who's the snowflakes in this situation, though? Nobody went on twitter asking for this to be removed but people in here are all up in arms about the mere thought that it possibly, maybe could be changed. If you ask me the it's the people who can't seem to tolerate tolerance who do the bulk of the complaining around here.  

 

It's not about being tolerant or not, it's about original content being removed to follow a popular political trends and not to offend some people that spend their time looking for sh*t to get mad about on the internet and in video games.

No wonder people who love these games talk about it.

I mean this whole situation seems ridiculous. Think about it, these people re-release a game where you can literally go on a killing spree with a chainsaw or sell cocaine from an ice cream truck but suddenly they do not want to keep a small confederate flag on a characters t-shirt or a mission where a psycho dude dressed as a lady harrases somebody cause it's "inappropriate content". 

Edited November 2, 2021 by SonnyNapoli

[Journey_95]

5 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

 

They might not even have removed it primarily "to avoid offending people". It could be as simple as Apple might not sell it in their store and a shirt isn't worth the hassle of that. It isn't making fun of anyone or satire, it's just a shirt with a flag on it. Maybe they reasoned that since it really isn't integral to the character and since he seems like a good guy there's no real reason to have such a negative image on the shirt? Who knows. Both times they censored themselves to avoid offense, issues and/or losing sales. And it's not the only other time either, there was also the dialogue about Haitians removed from Vice City. Every single GTA game will have had multiple things that they considered putting in it but decide it against it or toned it down because they decided it went too far and might cause too much offense. It just occasionally happens after the fact.

 

GTA got WAY more criticism from conservatives back then than it does from liberals now (including from both republican and democrat US politicians - not forgetting that by European standards both are on the conservative side). And they influenced it way more, and they had to censor themselves way more because of it. Sexual content could only be very tame, and they couldn't even put the word "f*ck" in the games until San Andreas. Current liberals/SJWs or whatever don't care about GTA. It's not a big topic on their radar and there's no big campaigns against it from them.

 

Since when is censoring an image on a random character's shirt "censoring all the games"? I've seen ZERO evidence of any liberals/SJWs saying anything about these remasters or of anyone calling for anything to be removed from them. And ZERO evidence that they're planning to censor anything else. It's ridiculous for people to get hysterical about how they're going to censor everything in the games and blame imaginary offended people for it when there's no evidence that suggests that's what's happening.

 

Dude they already confirmed that they will be changing the games for "modern sensibilities" (their words, not mine). That's the only reason the flag was changed. Imagine how woke you have to be to change something minor like this just so no one is offended. It sets a dangerous precedent, if they changed such a small thing what else have they changed? What does this mean for GTA VI?  Take Two's recent bs (like going to the E3 to talk about diversity..) also shows that things have changed.

 

Difference is conservatives had very little influence back then. Rockstar constantly made fun of them (and everyone else) with no real backlash, just because they had to get rid of the sex mini game doesn't mean they were "censored" a lot. The whole identity of GTA was based on making fun of everyone and they were not restricted. Liberals don't actively talk much about GTA right now because no GTA game has come out in a long time. Even then you have articles like this: https://kotaku.com/gtav-s-enhanced-2022-release-should-leave-the-2013-tran-1847723098 demanding change. This is one of many btw so it seems you are in denial if you think those hardcore woke people would be ok with the older GTA's keeping the offensive stuff and GTA VI being like them. You just have to look at the state of games, shows etc. its all as PC as it gets. Whenever someone tries to do something different (see the recent Dave Chapelle special) there is huge backlash.   

 

 

4 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

 

Who's the snowflakes in this situation, though? Nobody went on twitter asking for this to be removed but people in here are all up in arms about the mere thought that it possibly, maybe could be changed. If you ask me the it's the people who can't seem to tolerate tolerance who do the bulk of the complaining around here.  

 

They are not asking for it right now but if they didn't change it lots of people on Twitter + video game "journalists" would get butthurt. That's why Rockstar got rid of the confederate flag and will very likely change this mission (maybe more).

Also I don't get your argument. FIrst you say "We don't have any evidence that they are changing things", then in the next post you are already saying it doesn't matter and people who get upset over censorships are "snowflakes". Wtf?

Edited November 2, 2021 by Journey_95

[cuban gang member]

Guys

That picture was made as a joke and it's not a leak or official news.

You still argue about the picture and censorship?