How do I keep getting one-shot while defensive?

[KiloZulu]

My understanding is that defensive mode is supposed to reduce damage and accuracy to discourage/thwart griefing?  I've been repeatedly killed by dipsh*ts that headshot me without provocation or warning.

[aaronBLUEeyes]

Defensive Mode provides: damage resistance, no aim assist towards you, and melee/lasso attack won’t affect you either. However, even in defensive, the ability cards you’re running matter.

 

A hostile player using a Carcano Rifle with Express Ammo + Tier III Sharp Shooter will still destroy you if you’re not using defensive and health generating ability cards.

 

I’d suggest using: Iron Lung & Fool Me Once cards.

Edited October 13, 2021 by aaronBLUEeyes

[Lonely-Martin]

Because R* can't balance the game properly.

 

PvP and PvE will always clash and can only favour the PvP/griefing players. That's the design, that's 'The Grand Plan'

 

Unfortunately we have to accept this lazy and lame one size fits all cheap way. To be fair, it suits the game considering the content we've gotten and lack of true freedom we have. Cheap and cheerful, well, I use cheerful loosely of course.

 

If you're on playstation, look up the MTU method. Set it right and you can have the whole map to yourself and really enjoy it at your own pace. No need for these childish top trumps cards, just a nice comfy plod.

 

Literally game saving for me/many. Never have to suffer a fool again.

[AmyStone]

9 hours ago, KiloZulu said:

My understanding is that defensive mode is supposed to reduce damage and accuracy to discourage/thwart griefing?  I've been repeatedly killed by dipsh*ts that headshot me without provocation or warning.

 

Do you mean the same player keeps headshooting you?

 

It often feeling like I'm playing a different game to those who say they constantly get griefed. I can play for hours without even seeing another blip on the map. 

[roggek]

2 hours ago, AmyStone said:

 

Do you mean the same player keeps headshooting you?

 

It often feeling like I'm playing a different game to those who say they constantly get griefed. I can play for hours without even seeing another blip on the map. 

RDO Players on console probably feel like they are playing another game.
RDO Players on PC feel like the God forgot them
R* logic...

 

I bet @KiloZulu play RDO on PC...

[netnow66]

14 hours ago, KiloZulu said:

My understanding is that defensive mode is supposed to reduce damage and accuracy to discourage/thwart griefing?  I've been repeatedly killed by dipsh*ts that headshot me without provocation or warning.

I can only speak to my experience and no one else's. I'm on PSN and play in solo lobbies 99% of the time. But, even in that 1% of the time, I can get griefed.

 

I frequent the poker tables in Blackwater and Valentine and, even in the short time it takes me to arrive in town and make it to the saloon tables, I get griefed at least 50% of the time.

 

I know already some will tell me not to use those towns, but there are reasons that I do--and it would not change the fact that there are still griefers populating this game. 

 

A point I'm trying to make is that if you feel you're being griefed, don't let anyone convince you that you're not. Some here are in to player interaction of any type and view being griefed as a welcome challenge, while others, as one player recently admitted, do it out of boredom. Your gameplay is yours. If you say you're being griefed, you probably are.

[AmyStone]

7 minutes ago, netnow66 said:

I frequent the poker tables in Blackwater and Valentine and, even in the short time it takes me to arrive in town and make it to the saloon tables, I get griefed at least 50% of the time.

 

That's very surprising. I'd say 90% of the time I visit Blackwater it's complete deserted. Valentine is deserted about 75% of the time. Even when there are people in towns only around 5% of the time anyone shoots at me. So I find it really hard to believe you get griefed 50% of the time you visit either of those place. 

Edited October 13, 2021 by AmyStone

[netnow66]

Just now, AmyStone said:

 

That's very surprising. I'd say 90% of the time I visit Blackwater it's complete deserted. Valentine is deserted about 25% of the time. Even when there are people in towns only around 5% of the time anyone shoots at me. So I find it really hard to believe you get griefed 50% of the time you visit either of those place. 

Actually, I felt the same way about your statement when you said you can play for hours without seeing another blip on the map.

[AmyStone]

3 hours ago, netnow66 said:

Actually, I felt the same way about your statement when you said you can play for hours without seeing another blip on the map.

 

So getting griefed over 50% of the time you go to Blackwater means there must be players there more than 50% of the time you visit. That can't be true. If I can find time over the weekend I'll go to Blackwater and jump sessions 10 times and see how many of those sessions have players there. I'll wander around a bit and see if any players shoot at me.  I'll save the video and upload it.

[GrungeNinja]

How hard to imagine that an option for "No Player Blip" on the radar would solve this griefing problem?  Defensive Mode should let you go off radar and while you're on it you can't attack other players so it won't be abused, if I was a US citizen I would certainly go to a visit at R* headquarters to talk about this personally with them, even if wouldn't have any effect, but still, it is a thing that would totally be a game changer.

Edited October 13, 2021 by GrungeNinja

[KiloZulu]

13 hours ago, roggek said:

RDO Players on console probably feel like they are playing another game.
RDO Players on PC feel like the God forgot them
R* logic...

 

I bet @KiloZulu play RDO on PC...

Yes, I do play on PC.  I've had many instances where the same player will race to my spawn location and continue attacking me until I switch servers.

 

Someone else here stated that a Carcano rifle can one-shot a defensive player, but I'd point out that I've been one-shot by a pistol while at full health, too.

[Direwrath]

3 hours ago, KiloZulu said:

Yes, I do play on PC.  I've had many instances where the same player will race to my spawn location and continue attacking me until I switch servers.

 

Someone else here stated that a Carcano rifle can one-shot a defensive player, but I'd point out that I've been one-shot by a pistol while at full health, too.

From what I gather it is so easy to manipulate the game on PC to cheat other players, most likely you are dealing with one of those types.

 

Usually it takes an explosive or fire to instantly kill another player while they are in defensive, although I don't think that defensive mode itself works 100% as intended even on the consoles.

 

 I have been lassoed and hog tied quite a few times while I was in "safe" mode so there is that. 

 

10 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

How hard to imagine that an option for "No Player Blip" on the radar would solve this griefing problem?  Defensive Mode should let you go off radar and while you're on it you can't attack other players so it won't be abused, if I was a US citizen I would certainly go to a visit at R* headquarters to talk about this personally with them, even if wouldn't have any effect, but still, it is a thing that would totally be a game changer.

See, you are making the mistake of handing out honestly great ideas. R* developers cannot understand that type of language, all they hear is more PvP and cowprint.

 

16 hours ago, roggek said:

RDO Players on console probably feel like they are playing another game.
RDO Players on PC feel like the God forgot them
R* logic...

We get our share of griefers, but not so often and they are not half as bad as what I hear from PC players. 

 

19 hours ago, AmyStone said:

It often feeling like I'm playing a different game to those who say they constantly get griefed. I can play for hours without even seeing another blip on the map. 

I've actually been seeing more players on the map, but everyone is usually doing their own thing and most encounters have been pleasant. Most of the "trouble" I've encountered are lower level players and usually if I'm not into fighting with them I'll hog tie them and ride away, no use starting something I don't intend to finish.

[roggek]

I have today played for 12 hours straight in defensive mode.
Noboidy even tried to harass or grief me, salutes and warm welcoming was all from the other players i met today, in a lobby with average 14-16 people.

 

So I think this "defensive mode griefing problem" is very specific to PC-players.

 

I'm glad Im playing RDO on XBox...

Edited October 14, 2021 by roggek

[CosmicBuffalo]

Generally, you cannot be one shot killed while in defensive.  If someone point blanks you with a double barrell and a couple damage cards...winning streak and peak condition active.  It might deplete your health to nothing might down you depending on your rank.  Its hard to say because there are a lot of abilities on both sides that can change the results of one shot.  But I think the answer is you are on p.c. and being subjected to mod menus.  Head shots from a single pistol should not kill you unless you are brand new even then...I doubt its a one shot kill.

[AmyStone]

11 hours ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

Generally, you cannot be one shot killed while in defensive.  If someone point blanks you with a double barrell and a couple damage cards...winning streak and peak condition active.  It might deplete your health to nothing might down you depending on your rank.  Its hard to say because there are a lot of abilities on both sides that can change the results of one shot.  But I think the answer is you are on p.c. and being subjected to mod menus.  Head shots from a single pistol should not kill you unless you are brand new even then...I doubt its a one shot kill.

 

Winning Streak wouldn't help you at all in one shot kills.

[CosmicBuffalo]

2 hours ago, AmyStone said:

 

Winning Streak wouldn't help you at all in one shot kills.

Hate to inform you with all your extensive play time, but it increases shot gun buckshot damage a lot.  Guess you learned something today.

 

 

This why if you watch pvp streamers most of them have it equipped with pib using the double barrel.  Its a 1 hit kill unless the person is far or has a couple defensive ability cards or is spamming tonics.

Edited October 15, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[Buddy Hightower]

I spent about 5 minutes in defensive mode when it was released... all it does is gimp you. Just stay in offensive mode, it's much better.

[Buddy Hightower]

On 10/13/2021 at 11:53 AM, AmyStone said:

 

So getting griefed over 50% of the time you go to Blackwater means there must be players there more than 50% of the time you visit. That can't be true. If I can find time over the weekend I'll go to Blackwater and jump sessions 10 times and see how many of those sessions have players there. I'll wander around a bit and see if any players shoot at me.  I'll save the video and upload it.

I'm ALWAYS in offensive mode, and I NEVER get attacked. I have no idea what these clowns do to gather so much attention.

I'm on xbox, if it matters.

[AmyStone]

2 hours ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

Hate to inform you with all your extensive play time, but it increases shot gun buckshot damage a lot.  Guess you learned something today.

 

Hate to inform me? Why?

[AmyStone]

44 minutes ago, Buddy Hightower said:

I spent about 5 minutes in defensive mode when it was released... all it does is gimp you. Just stay in offensive mode, it's much better.

 

I've never found that defensive helps to protect you anyway. A few times I've seen players do sales in defensive mode (didn't know you could but you obviously can) and all it does is make them more vulnerable. They have no way to protect themselves. Unless they are good at free aiming (which is unlikely for someone in defensive as it usually means they avoid pvp) there is no way they are going to be able to stop someone blowing up the wagon.

[GrungeNinja]

1 hour ago, Buddy Hightower said:

I spent about 5 minutes in defensive mode when it was released... all it does is gimp you. Just stay in offensive mode, it's much better.

Nah, the dmg reduction helps when you’re solo x posse. But the reason I like defensive is the dim blip as players won’t spot you easly like the nornal one in the radar. But one thint that I really hate about it is that you can’t melee ppl that attacks you.

[FRIDA_KAHLO]

Cards for defense though - well, I have rarely try to use "cards" or "deadeye" - actually it used to crash my game, so I didn't try it early on, and ignore it from habit. Hardly care to worry about it but anyway here's my question,

 

But it can't help you from a 1 shot kill because you cannot know to be in deadeye mode at the time, am I wrong?

 

 

[CosmicBuffalo]

9 hours ago, AmyStone said:

 

Hate to inform me? Why?

Where I come from, thats a polite way of saying you're wrong...just an expression.

[AmyStone]

On 10/16/2021 at 12:45 AM, CosmicBuffalo said:

Where I come from, thats a polite way of saying you're wrong...just an expression.

 

No you were just fishing for a reaction. You'll need to try harder or be more subtle about it. Guess you learned something today.

[CosmicBuffalo]

2 hours ago, AmyStone said:

 

No you were just fishing for a reaction. You'll need to try harder or be more subtle about it. Guess you learned something today.

No and No.  I tried to answer the OP.  

 

On 10/13/2021 at 4:42 AM, AmyStone said:

 

Do you mean the same player keeps headshooting you?

 

It often feeling like I'm playing a different game to those who say they constantly get griefed. I can play for hours without even seeing another blip on the map. 

It appears you did not even try to answer the OP...you asked a pretty irrelevant question (he is obviously talking about another player) and just gave your opinion about some nonsensical issue.  

Edited October 17, 2021 by CosmicBuffalo

[FRIDA_KAHLO]

I'm on PC too, know what you mean!

 

It's all over the place sometimes (grief versus friendly, and whether you run into people at all) but I have rarely not ended the trouble by switching session, any lost goods or missions notwithstanding.

 

If it's nothing like a fair fight, in my opinion, you will get better peace of mind come from taking the high road and reconnecting. Don't be their cat toy! Of course it is tempting sometimes, to try and fix their shizzle and come away with a great story. But I guess that depends if you're looking for an unfair fight 'cause otherwise you are just a cat toy that keeps jerkin to them, plus you're training them the whole time with your attempts, best policy is take yourself away I think, and the better you do the more they learn, as unfortunate and unsatisfying as I find that.

 

That's how I deal with it and it never stops but you will get a better feel for preventing what's preventable. Hopefully someday or in a game that usurps this gem of a neglectorino, a good player bounty system would police this kind of crap and decent software detect and prevent the hacks!

 

 

Peace and long life to you kilozulo-- Frita

 

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by FRIDA_KAHLO

[Lonely-Martin]

1 hour ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

No and No.  I tried to answer the OP.  

 

It appears you did not even try to answer the OP...you asked a pretty irrelevant question (he is obviously talking about another player) and just gave your opinion about some nonsensical issue.  

 

Nothing uncommon, unfortunately. *shrugs*

[Direwrath]

4 hours ago, FRIDA_KAHLO said:

If it's nothing like a fair fight, in my opinion, you will get better peace of mind come from taking the high road and reconnecting. Don't be their cat toy! Of course it is tempting sometimes, to try and fix their shizzle and come away with a great story. But I guess that depends if you're looking for an unfair fight 'cause otherwise you are just a cat toy that keeps jerkin to them, plus you're training them the whole time with your attempts, best policy is take yourself away I think, and the better you do the more they learn, as unfortunate and unsatisfying as I find that.

 

That's how I deal with it and it never stops but you will get a better feel for preventing what's preventable. Hopefully someday or in a game that usurps this gem of a neglectorino, a good player bounty system would police this kind of crap and decent software detect and prevent the hacks!

I love pulling the Wilderness camp option out on them and fast traveling to another part of the map. Lol, I've never been spam messaged before by griefing players, but doing that seems to draw their ire enough to take the time to send me some pretty nasty messages.

 

 

[Gunbladelad]

I play on the Xbox, and I've found that in about 10% of sessions, there'll be a griefer present who just will not ever leave other players alone - and they're probably anti-social nutcases who have somehow managed to get banned from every other game in existence.

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

This has gone far enough....  The given information was pretty vague, but dropping the discussion for a flame war isn't sending the right message.

Time to let this one go I believe, if the OP wishes to retry the post with a little more detail, that's fine, but there's shouldn't be a need to hide so much 'crap....'

 

Thank you.

Edited October 18, 2021 by Uncle Sikee Atric