Hold up Hold up R* you want us to pay 4 or 7 times now for the same game?

[Shiloh Comes]

Hey, in the UK we are paying 3 times for our health and social care, so why not games?

 

Once on local taxes, once on national taxes, and we need insurance to protect our estates from the government.

 

Welcome to "Build Back Better" y'all!

 

How long until we none of us own consoles or PCs let alone games?

 

"The Borg has a spare teat for you to suckle gamer #365.256.019, plug in."

 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Shiloh Comes

[SummerFreeze]

2 hours ago, AirWolf359 said:

I didn't have very high expectations for E&E, but I didn't think running the xbone/PS4 version at 4k 60fps was too much to ask. Then again, framerates don't sell games.

But it had better be a rock solid 30fps in full sessions without a single drop, can you give us that Rockstar? at least, please?

The only question I have is what will change for PC. If Rockstar wants me to pay again, I won't. That would only encourage them to put out more half-assed product.

 

EDIT: Actually "half-assed" is giving them too much credit. More like half-of-half-a-quarter-assed.

Edited September 10, 2021 by SummerFreeze

[Rotorhead359]

11 minutes ago, SummerFreeze said:

The only question I have is what will change for PC. If Rockstar wants me to pay again, I won't. That would only encourage them to put out more half-assed product.

Before watching the trailer I had some hope, but right now I doubt anything changes for PC.

My guess is they just port the PC version to PS5 / xbox series X and call it expanded and enhanced.

Edited September 10, 2021 by AirWolf359

[Nutduster]

[Quinn_flower]

yes i am a fan and obs no one is going to buy multiple copies of gta like i did just to play with people on different consoles back then.

 

but when you say "expanded and enhanced" and it looks and feels like the game i already have and your charging 70 for it. That's when i draw the line.   

 

Capcom may get flack for releasing sf series multiple times but they add things like modes and fighters as well changes to the game mechanics.

 

See for that i would drop money because its a different game say like midnight club remix they added new cars and parts and added a new remastered level Tokyo. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Quinn_flower

[Lonely-Martin]

5 minutes ago, Quinn_flower said:

but when you say "expanded and enhanced" and it looks and feels like the game i already have and your charging 70 for it. That's when i draw the line.

 

I may have missed it, but have we confirmation it'll cost this much?

 

I genuinely don't know is all.

[Quinn_flower]

Just now, Lonely-Martin said:

 

I may have missed it, but have we confirmation it'll cost this much?

 

I genuinely don't know is all.

it probably is since its a "next gen title"  madden and there publishers are charging this 

[ChiroVette]

I am curious about something. Why are people categorically assuming that E&E will only be about visuals? I mean, sure, Rockstar may just rehash and regurgitate the current game and pretty it up just a little bit, but in this case, I'm not sure that's going to happen. I mean, okay, yes, they have a lackluser history of releasing 3D era games from The Trilogy, basically just straight-porting them to all the various mobile platforms, the newer consoles, and whatever. But GTA III, VC, and SA sort of allow them to be lazy degenerates in a way. Because first, there are no Shark Cards with those games. You can bet your ass that if there were no such thing as Shark Cards, GTA VI would be out already, several years ago. It is just total dumb luck for Take2 that the new business model of monetizing online games is essentially a freemium economy, and this allowed GTAO to take off like a financial rocketship, and has become such an amazing windfall profit generator, that GTA VI isn't even close to being released.

 

For better or worse, GTAO is administered exactly like a freemium game, in terms of in-game economy. As anyone familiar with freemium games knows, new content is not only important, it is absolutely vital to entice hoards of players to buy IAP so they can use real money to purchase whatever in-game widget they are hyping this week.

 

So while Rockstar can get away with nothing but straight ports of games from The Trilogy, no way in hell will that fly for E&E. I predict that when E&E comes out, the game is going to literally be flooded with content in the months and even year or two after it launches. I would even be willing to bet that there is content ready now that is being held back for when E&E launches. Rockstar and Take2 need to distract people from the fact that no matter how much of a cash cow GTAO currently is, it really is coming up on a hard expiration date within the next several years. So in my opinion, we should expect that Rockstar is going to be seriously doubling down on a veritable plethora of new content from the time E&E launches until GTA VI is finally announced and is looming large on the horizon.

 

Edit: @Quinn_flower, I very seriously doubt that E&E will cost anywhere near the full, retail price of a brand new game. If I had to guess, it will be about $30.00, give or take.

Edited September 10, 2021 by ChiroVette

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, Quinn_flower said:

it probably is since its a "next gen title"  madden and there publishers are charging this 

 

Ahh, we'll see.

 

Sounds more like an industry issue overall rather than R* only thing which I've had my share of B&M's over and given up on, lol.

[Nutduster]

1 hour ago, ChiroVette said:

I am curious about something. Why are people categorically assuming that E&E will only be about visuals? I mean, sure, Rockstar may just rehash and regurgitate the current game and pretty it up just a little bit, but in this case, I'm not sure that's going to happen.

 

Well all we have to go on so far is the trailer they released. And that trailer shows absolutely no new content of any kind, nor even suggests that it's coming. The best you could say is that this is a massive marketing failure. But most people are rightly assuming that as per usual, what you see is what you get (at most, if you're lucky). The trailers for the XB1/PS4 version promised quite a bit more as far as new content and features; it is not exactly a wild leap to assume that if they had good new features/content included in this version already, they'd be showing it off now.

 

Will they dump out some more updates after it is released? Sure, probably. They've never stopped doing that, though there have been pauses in the flow at times. Will some updates be exclusive to the new version? Again, probably. They don't want to support multiple generations indefinitely, and current gen is getting really janky. But you aren't really selling me on anything that sounds worthy of paying much money for a new copy of the game, not to mention a new console that I still haven't bought. Really it just sounds like more of the same ol' same ol'. And that's fine as far as it goes, but I strongly feel that this edition should be free to anyone who bought the previous one (especially those of us who bought the last two!), and they should not give it a fancy subtitle like "Expanded and Enhanced" if it's really not either of those. "Future updates coming" is not an expansion or an enhancement. They have done that since the beginning.

[GiveMeLiberty78]

I uninstalled GTA 5 four years ago because of how, in my opinion, GTA:Online has frankly become a money-making treacle machine at the expense of a single-player story with substance and any chance of single-player DLC extending its replay value. (In fact, I just posted a similar comment here after reading about the recent unfortunate Take-Two DMCA take-downs.)

I was actually surprised to see that "seamless character switching" was marketed in the E&E video. Perhaps I have missed something, but seamless character switching is a standard feature of GTA 5 from its outset, right? I appreciate that this was just one of many features marketed in that video, but unless I'm mistaken this feature is nothing new as it features in all previous versions of the game.

To me, GTA 5 - because of GTA:Online - has really diverged from the original vision of GTA. GTA:Online feels very like a very arcadey MMO that is part of a highly-monetised format. I hope that this is not the direction that GTA 6 will go in.

Oh, and for what it's worth I found some of the glitches in that E&E video rather funny. Thanks everybody for sharing!

[Coleco]

Ah well

 

This wouldn't be the first time I've played with something for ages just for it to become expanded and enhanced

 

 

and then result in disappointment

 

 

 

[Hazzardtohimself]

I think T2/Rockstar are still thinking that this is the 1990s, and that they're Lucasfilm. 

 

"Hey, if we add an extra ten seconds of footage to this scene and edit out that one mistake, we can sell the whole series again for twice as much!" 

 

(and the irony is that new fans and a few older hardcore fans will fall for it, again - like happened back then) 

 

Certainly from what I've seen, E&E is a hard pass for me. Rockstar have got just over six months to change my mind. And dare I say, change the minds of the majority of us here. 

[ChiroVette]

38 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

Well all we have to go on so far is the trailer they released. And that trailer shows absolutely no new content of any kind, nor even suggests that it's coming. The best you could say is that this is a massive marketing failure. But most people are rightly assuming that as per usual, what you see is what you get (at most, if you're lucky). The trailers for the XB1/PS4 version promised quite a bit more as far as new content and features; it is not exactly a wild leap to assume that if they had good new features/content included in this version already, they'd be showing it off now.

 

Will they dump out some more updates after it is released? Sure, probably. They've never stopped doing that, though there have been pauses in the flow at times. Will some updates be exclusive to the new version? Again, probably. They don't want to support multiple generations indefinitely, and current gen is getting really janky. But you aren't really selling me on anything that sounds worthy of paying much money for a new copy of the game, not to mention a new console that I still haven't bought. Really it just sounds like more of the same ol' same ol'. And that's fine as far as it goes, but I strongly feel that this edition should be free to anyone who bought the previous one (especially those of us who bought the last two!), and they should not give it a fancy subtitle like "Expanded and Enhanced" if it's really not either of those. "Future updates coming" is not an expansion or an enhancement. They have done that since the beginning.

 

Your point is not without merit. I obviously hope you're wrong, as I'm sure you do as well. Not sure how all this E&E hype can even come close to being justifiable if Rockstar doesn't do a helluva lot more than some perfunctory, minor visual-facelift.

[Schuimpruim]

The only reason I can imagine they actually try to skyrim their way to next-gen to generate even more income for the production of GTAVI.

Any other way its just a pathetic way of extracting even more money from whales.

 

Or just to summarize the whole next-gen thing:

[Jenkiiii]

3 hours ago, Quinn_flower said:

yes i am a fan and obs no one is going to buy multiple copies of gta like i did just to play with people on different consoles back then.

 

 

We've all got a little bit heated over the last 24 hours over something we have no control over and because, for most of us, GTA online is our favorite game and we expect so much from it. This is understandable.

 

The fact is, we don't yet know what we're going to get in E&E and the delay will hopefully mean it's significantly better than the contents of the mistimed and regurgitated promotional video, but we also absolutely have the right to bitch and moan to make sure that Rockstar don't drub us off with an unfairly full-priced game as an obligation to carry on playing the best next-gen version.

 

If they don't physically expand and only charge us $25 for graphical improvements, most people will have no major recourse for complaint, but if they charge us $70 for little to no enhancements, we will have every right te be thoroughly pissed and will view it as an exploit, especially as the money we invest in new hardware will do much of the work for them for free.

 

If Rockstar had been honest and said, look, we're not releasing an E&E version until more consoles have been sold over Christmas, there would be less heated debate over our expectations, just more niggling about how money grabbing the industry has become, but as it stands, they've got six months more development time to deliver something great before public patience erodes even more.

 

 

[Niii]

50 minutes ago, Jenkiiii said:

If they don't physically expand and only charge us $25 for graphical improvements

I like how you say "only 25$", that's a lot of money for some, and I'm not even talking about the fact that those "25$" will turn into 25€ and 25£. As a reminder : 25€ is 29.5$ and 25£ is 34.6$

It is still expensive for the product that is currently offered. I agree with the rest. Example : The PS5 cost 499$, thats 590€, this would not be a problem if the salaries followed the same logic and we all know that this is not the case. Obviously the ps5 doesn't cost that much, its 499€. For "small" sums, like games, we get screwed, on a console, it's okay. This practice which consists in making 1$=1€ is disgusting, fortunately not widespread, but it happens, especially on Steam with certain currency. Certain game becomes extremely expensive. 

Edited September 10, 2021 by Niii

[Mexicola9302]

I don't get the title, why should it ever be 4-7 times?

 

Low consoles

newer consoles + pc

newest gen + PC?

 

?

 

If ppl wanna own the game on all platforms yeah, but else not. Who in their right mind buys a game so many times ?

 

I only paid 50 euro for GTA V in 2013 i preorderd it in a keyshop, and was able to play it in 2014.

 

Who is so stupid and buys it for all machines where it works on huh?

 

Edit: Oops it's console ppl..., but not 7 times

Edited September 10, 2021 by Mexicola9302

[SinZer0s]

18 hours ago, dieseltech20 said:

Doesn’t matter though because regardless of what a couple hundred people on a message board and a few hundred whiners on social media say, the game is going to sell like crazy and make them hundreds of millions.

Literally this. MUST CONSOOM, DON'T QUESTION, JUST CONSOOM.

 

Man, the industry has gone to sh*t really, seems like I was the last generation to experience a good era for gaming. 2012 truly was the end of the world, it just wasn't a meteorite or a zombie virus.

[ACR]

In the current state seen in trailer which won't change, except adding some graphical option like ray tracing for PC (doubtful), i don't see how they can charge any price at all for PC, essentially same game. They could attract players to buy again with some fan requested content like mansions or new area/town/city, but even then that's the content players had access to in previous free updates (like CP heist island expansion). Worst case scenario and that's when line is drawn for me to sadly stop playing GTAO is going with subscription fee route, where we must pay every month to continue to play. But that would enrage community and yet again i don't think they would care. They don't have a competitor on the market for this kind of genre and recent chance for that went down the drain with SR reboot flop. So they would continue to milk this and a lot of people will buy it again to have access to new content. Like someone mentioned yesterday in the E&E discussion thread: ''You'll like it and you'll buy it'', simply there is no other game like GTA and they are using that fact because they know they can until either GTA6 or new competitor appears and we won't see that in near future anyway.

[RyuNova]

Think about this.

Obsidian made an entirely new game; new assets, weapons, armours, four storylines, voice acting, map etc in eighteen months when they made Fallout New Vegas and R* can't even remaster, sorry... "expand and enhance" their own game in more than that.

 

I know people will say that it's 360 quality assets vs PS5 era etc but that still does not remove the fact they had to write, plan, record, make, bug test etc all in that time. Writing and voice recording still takes a lot of time even then. R* has none of this, at least not to the level of an entirely new game.

Edited September 10, 2021 by RyuNova

[Moth]

5 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Sounds more like an industry issue

It's a Sony issue, since they are the ones who f*cking started it. And with a leak saying they are spending 200 million on f*cking games nowadays, I kinda understand why they did it. Still f*cking stupid to spend that much on the games they make though. 

[SinZer0s]

6 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Think about this.

Obsidian made an entirely new game; new assets, weapons, armours, four storylines, voice acting, map etc in eighteen months when they made Fallout New Vegas and R* can't even remaster, sorry... "expand and enhance" their own game in more than that.

 

I know people will say that it's 360 quality assets vs PS5 era etc but that still does not remove the fact they had to write, plan, record, make, bug test etc all in that time. Writing and voice recording still takes a lot of time even then. R* has none of this, at least not to the level of an entirely new game.

Majora's Mask was another game made in months and even though it reused characters from OOT the rest of the game was completely new.

 

This is where I get off the bus, PS4 version will be the last one I play thanks.

[Spectre "2K"]

55 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Think about this.

Obsidian made an entirely new game; new assets, weapons, armours, four storylines, voice acting, map etc in eighteen months when they made Fallout New Vegas and R* can't even remaster, sorry... "expand and enhance" their own game in more than that.

 

I know people will say that it's 360 quality assets vs PS5 era etc but that still does not remove the fact they had to write, plan, record, make, bug test etc all in that time. Writing and voice recording still takes a lot of time even then. R* has none of this, at least not to the level of an entirely new game.

and just think, GTA online will still somehow be buggier than New Vegas ever was even with all that time

[Quinn_flower]

2 hours ago, Mexicola9302 said:

I don't get the title, why should it ever be 4-7 times?

 

Low consoles

newer consoles + pc

newest gen + PC?

 

?

 

If ppl wanna own the game on all platforms yeah, but else not. Who in their right mind buys a game so many times ?

 

I only paid 50 euro for GTA V in 2013 i preorderd it in a keyshop, and was able to play it in 2014.

 

Who is so stupid and buys it for all machines where it works on huh?

 

Edit: Oops it's console ppl..., but not 7 times

I did before cross play is a thing oh wait it isnt.  so i bought copies for each system because i had friends all over. now its just pc only. Would be 7 if series x and ps5 version were good but ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

Edited September 10, 2021 by Quinn_flower

[ilovefreebird]

5 hours ago, Schuimpruim said:

The only reason I can imagine they actually try to skyrim their way to next-gen to generate even more income for the production of GTAVI.

Any other way its just a pathetic way of extracting even more money from whales.

 

Or just to summarize the whole next-gen thing:

 

Best GIF ever.

 

What you said could be the case, but considering this game has generated something like $8 BILLION for Rockstar makes it feel more like greed at this point.

[HamwithCheese]

Honestly this was the place to clarify or show off what you had. This was at PlayStations state of play, millions of people are watching and big devs worked to make this event. This was important, the fact that you can't even tell me what these new gameplay features are make me believe they're so miniscule they aren't even worth mentioning. 

 

Also, I highly doubt this game will cost 70 bucks, there's just no way. Willing to bet it's 40 for the full game and 25 for just online. Honestly feel bad for you Xbox guys because PlayStation players get it for free for 3 months.

[Quinn_flower]

2 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

Honestly this was the place to clarify or show off what you had. This was at PlayStations state of play, millions of people are watching and big devs worked to make this event. This was important, the fact that you can't even tell me what these new gameplay features are make me believe they're so miniscule they aren't even worth mentioning. 

 

Also, I highly doubt this game will cost 70 bucks, there's just no way. Willing to bet it's 40 for the full game and 25 for just online. Honestly feel bad for you Xbox guys because PlayStation players get it for free for 3 months.

25 or 40 its still money to be spent for something its is the same just works for the preferred console. Which should of been the ps4 pro update everyone was waiting for 

[HamwithCheese]

5 minutes ago, Quinn_flower said:

25 or 40 its still money to be spent for something its is the same just works for the preferred console. Which should of been the ps4 pro update everyone was waiting for 

I know, and I agree with you. When I got my PS5 a few of my games got a free upgrade with Ray tracing, crisp visuals and better performance. Hell, the standard upgrade fee will be 10 dollars, so I really hope that's what this is.

[Quinn_flower]

meanwhile at take2