I'm concerned about RDR3.

[Rez090]

On 9/7/2021 at 2:43 PM, Jabalous said:

 I don't even think we are going to see the sequel to Redemption 2 this decade.

What sequel? RDR was the sequel.

[Rez090]

On 9/8/2021 at 8:11 AM, Spider-Vice said:

Everyone thought RDR2 would be named something like that and then the reveal happened.  Some people on GTAF were quite disappointed it was RDR2 instead of Red Dead (name) for some reason.

Yeah, that made no sense. Who names a prequel like it is a sequel?

[Rez090]

On 9/23/2021 at 8:53 PM, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

The only game it lags behind in terms of sales and whatnot is GTA V, but that's pretty much used as the whore of the GTA series (re-re-release). 

I think you also meant to add Skyrim to your comment.

 

27 minutes ago, Dudu RDRII said:

To be honest, RDR2 sells better than any other AAA game, except GTA 5 itself, just tell me which other game also sold more than 40 million units, except GTA 5, Minecraft and a few more I don't remember, it's not common to achieve these numbers bro.

Skyrim is approaching its 10 year anniversary, I don't know the exact sales numbers over these years though.

[Edward RDRIII]

1 hour ago, Rez090 said:

I think you also meant to add Skyrim to your comment.

 

Skyrim is approaching its 10 year anniversary, I don't know the exact sales numbers over these years though.

I know there's a few more, but it's rare, that's what I mean.

[Zapper]

1 hour ago, Rez090 said:

Except it isn't. Unless Rockstar sets another game in the 1800's, there is nowhere for the franchise to go. Remakes would be the only way to go then.

What do you mean nowhere to go? Red Dead is a western franchise. Of course it'll be set in the 1800s. Rockstar haven't even made a game in the heyday of the West. They could go for a 1850s or 60s setting easily.

Also they still have the entire California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Washington State or even some parts of Canada like British Columbia left to recreate.

They have enough material and opportunity to make more games easily and based on the time they take to develop games nowadays it'll probably be 10 years from now on for a potential Red Dead 3, so running out of source material isn't an issue here.

1 hour ago, Rez090 said:

Edit: Also, Red Dead is the franchise, Redemption is just a subclass of the franchise.

You're right and that's exactly what I meant although I was technically incorrect. 

[The Artist]

7 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

If RDR2 can reach even half of GTA V's lifetime sales I'll tip off my hat as it'll prove people are still interested in a strong, quality single player experience that doesn't need to be released on every console ever. 

RDR 2 sold well mostly because of the hype and marketing. Rockstar is a big brand and people rushed to buy it...but most people never even finished the story. Majority who bought it don't actually like the game due to the slow realistic style and repetitive gameplay.

Edited September 25, 2021 by StuntMaster100

[Zapper]

1 hour ago, StuntMaster100 said:

RDR 2 sold well mostly because of the hype and marketing. Rockstar is a big brand and people rushed to buy it...but most people never even finished the story.

What a moronic statement. Most people never finish games and the  rate means complete sh*t for almost every game and RDR2 is literally a 60-70+ hour game easily. On PS4 31% people finished Chapter 6 and 21% fully completed the game which is insane for a game this long. In comparison GTAV has only 27% completion rate for PS3 and 16% for PS4 and it's like 50% shorter than RDR2. Also it sells consistently well even now on all platforms more than any other Rockstar game ever except GTAV. It's their 2nd most successful game and it hasn't even been 3 years since it came out.

 

From Wikipedia - 

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Red Dead Redemption 2 had the largest opening weekend in the history of entertainment, making over US$725 million in revenue in three days, and over 17 million copies shipped in total in two weeks, exceeding the lifetime sales of Red Dead Redemption. Additionally, Red Dead Redemption 2 was the second-highest-grossing entertainment launch (behind Grand Theft Auto V) and set records for largest-ever pre-orders, largest first-day sales, and largest sales for the first three days in market on PlayStation Network. The share price for Rockstar's parent company, Take-Two Interactive, rose nine percent in the week after release. VentureBeat's Takahashi noted that the game likely broke-even in its first week and, based on analyst estimates, would begin to earn a profit by December 2018. The game shipped 23 million copies in 2018 (by Feb 2019), and sales reached 29 million in 2019, and 36 million in 2020; as of June 2021, it has shipped 38 million units. By dollar sales, it was the best-selling game of the latter half of the 2010s, and the seventh-best-selling game of the decade overall (NPD). It is among the best-selling video games.

If it was truly frontloaded it definitely wouldn't sell 15+ million units (which is what RDR1 sold over 7 years) over 2.5 years after the 23+ million copies sold in initial 3 months of it's release. By the time VI comes out it'd sell over 50 million copies easily.

 

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 Majority who bought it don't actually like the game due to the slow realistic style and repetitive gameplay.

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? Please elaborate. IGN, which is a fairly mainstream site, did a fan vote with over 923,000 votes back in early 2020 and guess what, RDR2 came in 5th with almost 100k votes. So much for most people not liking it.

Almost like you're projecting your own opinion and feelings about the game onto others. 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Zapper

[Mexicola9302]

I really hope they focus on GTA VI only for now, if there is another RDR, it will be released in 2033-2035, so why even talk about it now. This thread is pretty pointless, well for now.

 

I would start speculating about another RDR in the end of the 2020's, so 2028-2030 and not before that, i mean what is the point.

[Algonquin Assassin]

5 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said:

RDR 2 sold well mostly because of the hype and marketing. Rockstar is a big brand and people rushed to buy it...but most people never even finished the story. Majority who bought it don't actually like the game due to the slow realistic style and repetitive gameplay.

Why are you talking in past tense? RDR2 still sells incredibly well even beyond R’s initial marketing and new game hype. It’s nearly three years old and still consistently features in the most downloaded monthly PSN games. For August it’s ranked 7th and in July it was 5th.

 

https://blog.playstation.com/2021/09/16/playstation-store-august-2021s-top-downloads/
 

It outsold the latest COD game. Yeah. Let that sink in for a moment. That’s not marketing and hype buddy.

 

As for the story completion rate that’s not a very reliable metric to get a gauge on whether people like the game or not. How would you know that just because people don’t finish the story that means they don’t like it?

 

Personally speaking I’ve played so many games where I haven’t finished their stories yet I still liked them anyway for different reasons. RDR2 has so much going for it besides the story that maybe some people just like to play it to explore, mess around etc. I can’t speak for everyone, but that’s a reasonable assumption.

Edited September 25, 2021 by MiamiViceCity1986

[The Artist]

1 hour ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

Why are you talking in past tense? RDR2 still sells incredibly well even beyond R’s initial marketing and new game hype. It’s nearly three years old and still consistently features in the most downloaded monthly PSN games. For August it’s ranked 7th and in July it was 5th.

 

https://blog.playstation.com/2021/09/16/playstation-store-august-2021s-top-downloads/
 

It outsold the latest COD game. Yeah. Let that sink in for a moment. That’s not marketing and hype buddy.

 

As for the story completion rate that’s not a very reliable metric to get a gauge on whether people like the game or not. How would you know that just because people don’t finish the story that means they don’t like it?

 

Personally speaking I’ve played so many games where I haven’t finished their stories yet I still liked them anyway for different reasons. RDR2 has so much going for it besides the story that maybe some people just like to play it to explore, mess around etc. I can’t speak for everyone, but that’s a reasonable assumption.

Rockstar is a bigger name than before after GTA V's success so of course it will keep selling well lol. Every person knows who Rockstar is after GTA V and when they see RDR 2 is a big budget game by Rockstar they will be curious to try it. I was just saying that a lot of people on Reddit and other forums were bashing the game for being too slow and boring. Don't see many people talking about it outside of these forums.

 

IV also sold pretty well back in the day but it was hated by most people.

Edited September 25, 2021 by StuntMaster100

[billiejoearmstrong8]

I'd wait about 10 years until starting to be concerned

[Edward RDRIII]

2 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said:

Rockstar is a bigger name than before after GTA V's success so of course it will keep selling well lol. Every person knows who Rockstar is after GTA V and when they see RDR 2 is a big budget game by Rockstar they will be curious to try it. I was just saying that a lot of people on Reddit and other forums were bashing the game for being too slow and boring. Don't see many people talking about it outside of these forums.

 

IV also sold pretty well back in the day but it was hated by most people.

There's something between your ears called brain, you might wanna use it sometimes.

[Unspoken OH]

13 hours ago, Rez090 said:

Why would there be a RDR3? Unless you want to play as John's son again, another prequel won't be happening. RDR is done for. Red Dead itself will have to go backwards in time to stay relevant if another game ever happens.

Except it isn't. Unless Rockstar sets another game in the 1800's, there is nowhere for the franchise to go. Remakes would be the only way to go then. Edit: Also, Red Dead is the franchise, Redemption is just a subclass of the franchise.

 

Why would there not be a next installment if THIS one has been tremendously successful? It's all business, pal. I'm sure there'll be RDR3 and if Rockstar still cares about quality, it's probably gonna take approx. 10 years to develop it.

 

 

 

[Rez090]

1 minute ago, Unspoken OH said:

 

Why would there not be a next installment if THIS one has been tremendously successful? It's all business, pal. I'm sure there'll be RDR3 and if Rockstar still cares about quality, it's probably gonna take approx. 10 years to develop it.

 

 

 

So you want another prequel or play as Jack again? The latter was something that is hated from R1.

[Marston1911]

The gangs story is told. Maybe go back in time with new characters, during the civil war, the Native American Wars or the War of Independence. There is a lot of time periods to set a game in.

[BAGS00]

Maybe a new game with new characters and story and everything, but maybe they can show a young Dutch or maybe he as a baby idk

[Drimes]

RDR3 - Beginning of the Van der Linde gang
RDR2 - Fall of the Van der Linde gang
RDR1 - End of the Van der Linde gang

[Badman_]

RDR2 is a highly successful game in the traditional sense. A great singleplayer experience that sold a huge amount of copies. But nowadays the online content and long-term profit are just as relevant (or at least I believe it is). In that sense the game is far from being what R* expected it to be.

[Algonquin Assassin]

9 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said:

Rockstar is a bigger name than before after GTA V's success so of course it will keep selling well lol. Every person knows who Rockstar is after GTA V and when they see RDR 2 is a big budget game by Rockstar they will be curious to try it. I was just saying that a lot of people on Reddit and other forums were bashing the game for being too slow and boring. Don't see many people talking about it outside of these forums.

 

IV also sold pretty well back in the day but it was hated by most people.

R* already had a big name before GTA V so I guess using your logic the only reason GTA V still sells in droves is out of “curiousity” for the R* brand?

 

Still my point stands. I don’t care what people say on Reddit and “other” forums. If you were to go to a Fallout forum people would most likely talk about those games than a non-Fallout forum so what’s your point?

 

 

 

[Edward RDRIII]

Even if RDO is successful, RDR2 definitely sells more because of its Story Mode, I don't know why Rockstar insists in giving more attention to the online mode instead, it would be way better if they focused in Story Mode and I bet it would be more profitable for them too, Red Dead Online isn't GTA Online, a $30, $35 or even a $40 full fledged DLC would be way better both for their image and for their pockets in my opinion.

Edited September 26, 2021 by Dudu RDRII
Comment corrected.

[Zapper]

13 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said:

I was just saying that a lot of people on Reddit and other forums were bashing the game for being too slow and boring. Don't see many people talking about it outside of these forums.

What lot of people? Reddit and Forums are a very tiny minority in the grand scheme of things. If you take their words as gospel then CoD, FIFA or NBA2K would bomb every year but that ain't case in reality. A primarily single player game CANNOT sell near 40 million copies in 3 years if general consensus about the game is not insanely good, it just can't.

 

And people don't much talk about games years after release unless they're very multiplayer oriented. How many people actually talk about the big single player games from last 3-4 years except in forums and subreddits? And the RDR, RDO subreddits are all pretty active if that's what you wanna know.

 

Marketing and hype doesn't work after initial 1-2 months. In recent times Cyberpunk 2077 is the biggest example of people's opinions shifting radically on a game after insane hype and promotion, not RDR2.

 

Hell Forums, Reddit, Twitter sh*t on GTAO for god knows how long but that didn't affect it in any perceivable way and ultimately culminated in a billion dollars of revenue 7 years after launch in 2020. You're putting way too much stock in their words where it doesn't really matter.

 

Edit : And regarding the game completion rate, I believe most people will agree that The Witcher 3 is a great game and guess what, only 29% people completed the main quest on PS4 and 25% on PC. Guess it was boring and tedious as well but Reddit and forums used to and still worship the game. People don't finish most games let alone huge open world games.

Edited September 26, 2021 by Zapper

[The Artist]

4 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

R* already had a big name before GTA V so I guess using your logic the only reason GTA V still sells in droves is out of “curiousity” for the R* brand?

 

V sold well because of internet and marketing. Internet coverage of games was much more widespread in 2013 compared to 2008 for example. Marketing for V was also much bigger than any other Rockstar game before that - plus a lot more social media was covering the game. Today it still sells well due to Online's huge popularity. 

 

Rockstar has become much bigger than before after GTA V and Online. V sold more than double of all the previous gtas combined for f*cks sake. That's not a natural increase - that's a huge boom.

 

RDR 2 is not as popular as GTA O is. It won't have sold as well if it came before GTA O's success.

 

10 hours ago, Dudu RDRII said:

There's something between your ears called brain, you might wanna use it sometimes.

Chill the f*ck out, boy - no need for insults.

 

2 hours ago, Zapper said:

What lot of people? Reddit and Forums are a very tiny minority in the grand scheme of things. If you take their words as gospel then CoD, FIFA or NBA2K would bomb every year but that ain't case in reality. A primarily single player game CANNOT sell near 40 million copies in 3 years if general consensus about the game is not insanely good, it just can't.

 

And people don't much talk about games years after release unless they're very multiplayer oriented. How many people actually talk about the big single player games from last 3-4 years except in forums and subreddits? And the RDR, RDO subreddits are all pretty active if that's what you wanna know.

 

Marketing and hype doesn't work after initial 1-2 months. In recent times Cyberpunk 2077 is the biggest example of people's opinions shifting radically on a game after insane hype and promotion, not RDR2.

 

Hell Forums, Reddit, Twitter sh*t on GTAO for god knows how long but that didn't affect it in any perceivable way and ultimately culminated in a billion dollars of revenue 7 years after launch in 2020. You're putting way too much stock in their words where it doesn't really matter.

- CoD and stuff are different. They are casual shooters and sports games. People buy them for casual entertainment - a lot of them don't love these games but still buy them for some casual fun every year. Teams keep changing and people buy FIFA and NBA for that stuff - to play as real people.

 

- RDR 2 is being talking in forums yeah that's what I said. It being talked here because the fans here are the only actual fanbase it has. It's not being talked much outside these forums.

 

- That's a dumb example. Cyberpunk was hated because it was a broken mess on release and not even finished properly. RDR 2 was hated because of slow pacing, bad controls....actual features of the game. Marketing and hype works for RDR2 after the initial 1-2 months....because Rockstar is a huge name now after Online's success. It's the next big Rockstar game on the block so people will naturally want to try it out even after years. It won't be selling as well if it came before GTA V. Doesn't mean they actually love the game if they bought it.

Edited September 26, 2021 by StuntMaster100

[Algonquin Assassin]

1 hour ago, StuntMaster100 said:

V sold well because of internet and marketing. Internet coverage of games was much more widespread in 2013 compared to 2008 for example. Marketing for V was also much bigger than any other Rockstar game before that - plus a lot more social media was covering the game. Today it still sells well due to Online's huge popularity. 

 

Rockstar has become much bigger than before after GTA V and Online. V sold more than double of all the previous gtas combined for f*cks sake. That's not a natural increase - that's a huge boom.

 

RDR 2 is not as popular as GTA O is. It won't have sold as well if it came before GTA O's success.

 

Chill the f*ck out, boy - no need for insults.

 

- CoD and stuff are different. They are casual shooters and sports games. People buy them for casual entertainment - a lot of them don't love these games but still buy them for some casual fun every year. Teams keep changing and people buy FIFA and NBA for that stuff - to play as real people.

 

- RDR 2 is being talking in forums yeah that's what I said. It being talked here because the fans here are the only actual fanbase it has. It's not being talked much outside these forums.

 

- That's a dumb example. Cyberpunk was hated because it was a broken mess on release and not even finished properly. RDR 2 was hated because of slow pacing, bad controls....actual features of the game. Marketing and hype works for RDR2 after the initial 1-2 months....because Rockstar is a huge name now after Online's success. It's the next big Rockstar game on the block so people will naturally want to try it out even after years. It won't be selling as well if it came before GTA V. Doesn't mean they actually love the game if they bought it.

Your arguments are so flawed it actually gives me a headache.

 

A lot of baseless assumptions being thrown around and not a lot of hard, concrete facts. It’s not like anyone’s arguing that RDR2’s more popular than GTA V/GTAO so I don’t get why you’re fighting it so hard.
 

All we’re saying is RDR2’s still incredibly successful even long after R*’s initial marketing/hype. There’s also word of mouth to consider through social media and not so I guess that can come into an informed decision when people purchase the game, but because you saw some posts on Reddit complaining you assume people who still buy it are just buying it because they’re “curious”.

 

Of course just because they buy the game it doesn’t mean they’ll love it, but it doesn’t mean they don’t either because you really don’t know as much as you think you do.

 

 

[Edward RDRIII]

1 hour ago, StuntMaster100 said:

V sold well because of internet and marketing. Internet coverage of games was much more widespread in 2013 compared to 2008 for example. Marketing for V was also much bigger than any other Rockstar game before that - plus a lot more social media was covering the game. Today it still sells well due to Online's huge popularity. 

 

Rockstar has become much bigger than before after GTA V and Online. V sold more than double of all the previous gtas combined for f*cks sake. That's not a natural increase - that's a huge boom.

 

RDR 2 is not as popular as GTA O is. It won't have sold as well if it came before GTA O's success.

 

Chill the f*ck out, boy - no need for insults.

 

- CoD and stuff are different. They are casual shooters and sports games. People buy them for casual entertainment - a lot of them don't love these games but still buy them for some casual fun every year. Teams keep changing and people buy FIFA and NBA for that stuff - to play as real people.

 

- RDR 2 is being talking in forums yeah that's what I said. It being talked here because the fans here are the only actual fanbase it has. It's not being talked much outside these forums.

 

- That's a dumb example. Cyberpunk was hated because it was a broken mess on release and not even finished properly. RDR 2 was hated because of slow pacing, bad controls....actual features of the game. Marketing and hype works for RDR2 after the initial 1-2 months....because Rockstar is a huge name now after Online's success. It's the next big Rockstar game on the block so people will naturally want to try it out even after years. It won't be selling as well if it came before GTA V. Doesn't mean they actually love the game if they bought it.

I'm not insulting you, you're simply ignoring the facts, the worst blind is the one who don't want to see. Have you ever seen how many members RDR2's biggest subreddit have? Almost 900k and still growing, while the biggest one for GTA Online have a little more than 1,1 million members, it's not a huge difference.

Edited September 26, 2021 by Dudu RDRII
Comment corrected.

[Zapper]

4 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

All we’re saying is RDR2’s still incredibly successful even long after R*’s initial marketing/hype. There’s also word of mouth to consider through social media and not so I guess that can come into an informed decision when people purchase the game, but because you saw some posts on Reddit complaining you assume people who still buy it are just buying it because they’re “curious”.

This is exactly the point. A game CANNOT sell this well even 3 years after it's release if majority didn't like it.

6 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said:

That's a dumb example. Cyberpunk was hated because it was a broken mess on release and not even finished properly. RDR 2 was hated because of slow pacing, bad controls....actual features of the game. Marketing and hype works for RDR2 after the initial 1-2 months....because Rockstar is a huge name now after Online's success. It's the next big Rockstar game on the block so people will naturally want to try it out even after years. It won't be selling as well if it came before GTA V. Doesn't mean they actually love the game if they bought it.

How do you know majority doesn't love the game when all evidences point in the other direction. 

 

Let's take the Steam version for example. You actually have you to buy and play it to write a review so that instantly makes it 100 times more credible than say, Reddit. It has 92% positive rating in Steam's recent reviews section and 86% overall positive rating (where majority of the negative reviews, over 20k, are from launch week due to severe Rockstar Launcher issues and game crashes). Seems extremely good for a game that came out 1 year later on PC (even 1 month later on Steam after initial PC release) and apparently an 'unpopular' game.

 

RDR2 got Steam's GOTY which was completely decided by users even 2 years after it's launch.

 

Read about people's reactions about GTAV (or IV or RDR1) in any forum (like GAF back then, Reddit wasn't very big back then) after it came out. It faced the exact same criticisms which you're citing for RDR2 like heavy controls. A very minor number of people doesn't like Rockstar's control scheme on console and that have always been the case since GTAIII.

 

Even if 100k people hate on it on forums and Reddit, ok let's make it 500k, they're still a small minority. Literally 1.3% of the 38 million sold yet.

Edited September 26, 2021 by Zapper

[Space Cowboy]

5 hours ago, StuntMaster100 said:

- RDR 2 is being talking in forums yeah that's what I said. It being talked here because the fans here are the only actual fanbase it has. It's not being talked much outside these forums.

I think your issue with RDR2 not being talked about is only because you compare it to GTAO which has a robust playerbase and constant stream of new content. RDR2 is primarily a singleplayer experience and that part of the game hasn't been updated since 2019, so of course there is gonna be less people talking about it. RDO has been sadly neglected by Rockstar by only receiving smaller and generally underwhelming DLCs, and thus it has a much smaller fanbase. But the fact is that the game still keeps selling 3 years after its release, it has massively exceeded T2's sales expectations and it proved that people are very interested in quality singleplayer stories by Rockstar.

If the game was so hated by the community, the sales would have slowed down very quickly after its release. So I am not really sure what are you trying to say.

[FannoF]

22 hours ago, Drimes said:

RDR3 - Beginning of the Van der Linde gang
RDR2 - Fall of the Van der Linde gang
RDR1 - End of the Van der Linde gang

I decided to start the story again a week ago, and today I noticed a picture of Hosea, Dutch and Arthur located in Arthur's tent/wagon. I'd love to see either a story DLC or RDR3 be set in that time frame, though there will probably be people calling it repetitive, because it would be a prequel just like RDR2 though idc about those people

[Lioshenka]

On 9/7/2021 at 11:17 AM, Unspoken OH said:

Now how in the hell is Rockstar going to create a game that surpasses this level of greatness? I'm afraid the next game will be a downgrade compared to this. 

 

In this video you see the goats heading out in the morning from the enclosure to pasture and coming back in the evening.

 

The farmer meanwhile stood outside in the blazing sun for like 12 hours.

 

Maybe R* will fix that in RDR3.

[Drimes]

1 hour ago, FannoF said:

I decided to start the story again a week ago, and today I noticed a picture of Hosea, Dutch and Arthur located in Arthur's tent/wagon. I'd love to see either a story DLC or RDR3 be set in that time frame, though there will probably be people calling it repetitive, because it would be a prequel just like RDR2 though idc about those people

A young Arthur and John. It would be iconic as hell to see John without his scars, and to see Arthur do a total 180 in terms of personality, exactly like how John was a sack of sh*t for the majority of the main story in RDR2. A big bonus would be that Arthurs outfits would actually be more suitable when he's younger.

1 minute ago, Drimes said:

A young Arthur and John. It would be iconic as hell to see John without his scars, and to see Arthur do a total 180 in terms of personality, exactly like how John was a sack of sh*t for the majority of the main story in RDR2. A big bonus would be that Arthurs outfits would actually be more suitable when he's younger.

And I mean come on, we would've gotten the chance to insult an NPC Arthur... How can anyone resist such a wonderful opportunity?

[JohnVyse]

2025-GTA VI

2031-RDR3