Why is LS meet is considered dead or failure?

[Quinn_flower]

Isn't this what we wanted since 2013? Car meets and stuff? That tuner dlc concept looks almost the same as what we got. 

 

So why people are writing this off as a fail? 

 

If this came out in 2013 it would of been the place for meets showing cars with out grieifers with jets. 

[Aquamaniac]

8 minutes ago, Quinn_flower said:

Isn't this what we wanted since 2013? Car meets and stuff? That tuner dlc concept looks almost the same as what we got. 

 

So why people are writing this off as a fail? 

 

If this came out in 2013 it would of been the place for meets showing cars with out grieifers with jets. 

 

Maybe because nobody goes to the car meet (which I expected, the majority of GTA players seems to be no car guys), personally I find it more interesting to look in other people's auto shops. I like the DLC though, new missions and the auto shop is great, the new cars are also cool.

 

If we could add otherwise locked stuff to cars (like colors) at the car meet instead of our auto shops maybe more people would go to the car meet, so I mod cars in my own auto shop.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Aquamaniac

[El Diablo 702]

I don’t think it’s a fail, it’s more getting a lobby of like minded players together is harder than people thought and this dlc is something that should’ve come out 2-3 years ago.   And while over the last few years R* has given the car community much of what’s been asked for it’s still getting a lobby full of “car people” at the same time.  

[Timsalabimbo]

It's a big fat fail. There are plenty of cars people around in this game, but they are still holding meets at the spots they were always holding them. Reasons why: Car meet area is too small, too dark, too limited in activities (you can't drive other peoples cars for example), and you're being forced to listen to the same three songs over and over and over again.

[RyuNova]

Because, unfortunately, as with these types of things the players can always do it better. It's a glorified Mod Shop.

Players can do Invite Only, out in the open air, wherever they want on the map, use the Festival Bus or Lowrider cars with the sound system mods to blast out whatever radio station they want, you can drive other peoples cars, place them wherever they want etc etc.

[SebKle78]

I think we have multiple factors resulting in a barely used social space. The already mentioned limitations of the location like bad lighting, limited space while npc cars are scattered around the place and the limited activities. You can get rid of all the npc's and cars by paying 50k GTA$ and take over the car meet but it will result in more limitation regarding the activities - no tattoo or clothing shop, no price ride, no races hostable besides the available ones on the test track. If you want to make use of the activities you have to leave the hosted and taken over car meet space and visit the regular one. If the host do this he need to pay 50k GTA$ again to get rid of the clutter again.

 

On top you have a lot of casual players without much money and knowledge of bugs and which of these got patched but with their own first experience within the first days of the car meet resulting in players avoiding the lscm for the purpose of doing car meets.

 

We have a simple way from A to B with A being the players wanting a social place for car meets and B being R* creating such a place. The straight line between A and B is filled with too many rocks on the way to the goal while it is not well executed, not good advertized/explained and being hit by bugs/glitched/exploits and therefore bad reputation. Without taking into account the general state of the social aspect in GTA Online regarding public lobbies.

 

The car meet itself and the theme behind it are good executed - design, activities and so on. As a solo player i like it. As a player with the need to do car meets and socialize it doesn't work really well and is not good executed.

 

/edit

Oh, we got incentives to use the car meet but they are not rewarding to do so.

Edited August 18, 2021 by SebKle78

[Gridl0k]

Rockstar retweeted a car meet pic yesterday.

 

It was taken outside.

[Coleco]

GTAO has put all of its efforts into cultivating a hostile game environment since 2013. Expecting people to participate in a peaceful community/activity is far too late at this point. Nightclubs were also an example of this - who even goes to other clubs? There's nothing to do when you're there except dance to some of the most painfully mediocre DJ sets I've ever heard. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I think the car meet space is a great addition, but this should have been the kind of thing introduced by the end of 2014. Instead the game's focus has been almost exclusively on new and ridiculous ways to generate conflict and ruin every other players session since the beginning. Worse still, this approach has been hugely successful (though when I speak to people who have given up on GTA, the criticisms are always the same - it became an unbearably toxic, grindy, unbalanced and boring experience).

 

Sadly I expected the car meets to be deserted - surprise surprise, the highest amount of players I've ever seen in one can't be more than three. Even then, they run around like kids on a sugar rush for a minute before disappearing again and rejoining the kill feed. Doesn't really help that, just like the Nightclubs, there's practically nothing to do in there either. You can't Field of Dreams this stuff, R* - incentives need to be in place for players to engage with the content, and also to prompt a return to continue with engagement!
 

That said, I do like that all content for Tuners can be done in invite only - that's a huge thumbs up. Of course, I expect those sessions to be empty - it's just a shame that there's no change when in a public car meet session!

[Hiddenshadow]

3 hours ago, Timsalabimbo said:

(you can't drive other peoples cars for example)

Are you referring specifically to driving them out in freemode? At least in the normal, public meet, you can get into any player vehicle whose access settings allow getting into the driver's seat, and take it out into the test track.

 

Lighting is a major issue, but something that also  irks me is how the player vehicles just get completely lost in a sea of NPC vehicles. If you want to have a look at what people are driving, you pretty much need to run all around the meet and either know exactly which parking spots are player-only, or spam Z (or your console equivalent) to see the owner.

Would have been much more practical to have all player vehicles parked in the same (well lit) area (not that I can't see why they did it this way, as now that there's basically nobody at the meet, it doesn't have large empty spaces, the one next to the demo cars excluded)

 

If they'd made it that you spawn into the meet after leaving a street or pursuit race lobby, rather than ending up in the city, that also would have made much more sense to me.

[BeatsDown]

Car meets are boring. You look at some cars for about a minute and that's it. That's why nobody cares about the LSCM car meet stuff. If they had a designated passive area outside it might be different, but the fact you need to go inside and then to the test track puts people off.

Edited August 18, 2021 by BeatsDown

[SummerFreeze]

I expected the car meets to fail if it weren't possible to invite people from other sessions (like an activity). If you could "quick join car meet" and land in an at least semi-populated session, that would have been great.

[Jamwes]

I think the car meet is better than most social spaces in the game. Better than the music locker. Better than nightclubs. But that bar is awfully low. Like most things in this game, you just check it out a couple times and then forget about it. Anyone who expected more than that would consider the car meet to be a fail. I think it's on par if not slightly better than most updates.

 

That said, the rep system is a fail. It's too hard and restricting to grind the levels. At least only some sub-par clothes and liveries are locked behind it. Easy to ignore.

[Cratoz]

 I don't really think it's a failure overall, but for car meets, yeah.. good luck finding a random car meet.

One of the reasons might be that you can't actually see how many people are there.

There should be some dedicated place somewhere on the map, in the city otherwise people will not bother.

It could be a location that changes every week or something, and it should have a system similar to the yacht protection, all weapons deactivated, possibly unlimited health, and ffs, protection from the Orbital cannon.. unlike the yacht.  (Obligatory reminder: remove the orb cannon Rockstar!) lol

 

Now I don't know how you'd handle rammers or overruning someone but I think there can be solutions.

This way people would actually see there is engagement and maybe attend as well. Dedicated crews will most likely go into a private session anyways.

 

In a dynamic setting and location there could be a lot of  more activies, and it could be much more dynamic than the LS car meet which is too limiting. And I don't think what I'm suggesting here is impossible.

The car meet was supposed to be the solution for random car meets, but I think it kinda fails in attracting players other than some daily RPs and what not.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Cratoz

[dieseltech20]

It failed because it is useless. Poorly lit and filled with stupid ass NPCs. You have to spend 50k to remove them and it also removes pretty much everything there is to do in there. That makes NO sense. 
 

Crews and other people that mess with car meets normally do so in invite/crew only sessions where they know there will be zero assholes. That means they can hold a meet anywhere on the map that they want to. 
 

Would make much more sense to make passive public lobbies an option. That way strangers that want to will be able to gather wherever the hell they feel like and hang out out with like minded players. 
 

Aside from that, car meets in general are pretty boring. Can only look at these in game cars for so long. Real life car shows can be the same way and I’m a car guy. Only thing that saves them is the ability to have normal conversations with normal people about their cars. 
 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2021 by dieseltech20

[Pedinhuh]

1) sh*tty ambient lighting, I can barely work out the paintjobs on some spots at that building because some of them have worse lighting than the Casino parking garage.

 

Its really just better to do car meets outside where you can see them clearly.

 

2) There's not much of a point to go there besides farming REP and buying the exclusive clothes, which you can already do by doing the street or pursuit races.

 

Everything you do on that tuning shop of the meet you can also do on any other shop, save for the colored headlights without buying the Arena War workshop. 

 

The Time Trial is just pointless because it's just a universal timer which never gets reset, there should be a system that saves the best lap time you had per each car you drove there.

 

Clothes are expensive and their REP level unlocks are just insane once you get past level 100.

 

Also the REP unlocks system is just insane, worse than Arena War too because you cant just pay to skip the grind.

 

3) Performance issues on consoles, the FPS of the game tanks down while we are inside that place, and it further tanks down with more players inside.

 

4) This really shouldn't surprise anyone but car meets are not in the interest of the average GTA player in the slightest, what they want is more varied activities to make actual decent money solo, like the Cayo Perico heist, kill other players in pointless freeroam wars...And blow sh*t up in freemode.

 

This was a update for a niche part of the playerbase only, just like the Bikers update.

 

The average GTA player is not a car person, and besides the new cars the update really wasn't that much interesting for them.

 

5) The most important of all: Timing! 

 

The time window when the car culture interest of this game was at its peak started back in the Lowriders update and Lowriders Classics, held through the Futher Adventures in Finance and Felony update because of the new cars, got propped up even more with the Bikers update and peaked around until the Import/Export update which was heavily car-centric.

 

Those two years were the peak golden years of GTAO, and the Tuners update should have come to us in there because that was where the game's playerbase were the most interested in vehicles and the car culture.

 

Starting from the Gunrunning update and going foward, most players started to get alienated and lose interest in this game precisely because of the cancerous additions of futuristic meme crap like flying cars, orbital cannons, jetpacks, rocket gliding and flying bikes and then the Tryhards took over.

 

The car people eventually got tired and moved to Forza Horizon, Gran Turismo Sport, NFS Heat or any other racing and car game that actually doesn't shy itself of being a videogame about cars and cars only, with none of that stupid meme futuristic garbage and they cannot be blamed as those things ruined this game all in the name of more shark card sales and to attract more cancerous PvP players, so they would spend more money in this game.

 

It must be said that some of them did came back to this game...But they didn't stuck around for long, this game is just too outdated and filled with toxic players and the most cancerous form of PvP I have ever seem in a Online game.

 

Car people are chill people and this game is not for chill people, not anymore at least.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Pedinhuh

[LunaStrky :3]

I think that the concept of tuner cars and culture fit the game very well, But the fact that the update got released 8 years after the game's release... well. The DLC concept is a good idea that got poorly executed. It feels like all our bussiness (The bunker, Nightclub, Arcade, etc): We're the ruler of a ghost town. And in the case of this update, the ghost town is populated with mannequins and toy cars. Kinda feels like Oasis from Borderlands 2, a place that tries to make you think that is "alive" but it stinks to dead from afar.

 

As has been said, maybe if the LSCM would have been in an open space (or in a closed space with proper illumination and a more "clean" aspect), more freedom and activities in the meets and with music that is not annoying, things would've been different, yet here we are. Yes I know we can drive other people cars, but we need to take them to the track and wait another round of loading time. Like in web design with the rule of 3 clicks, We should be able to access most of the content in a game with no more than one loading time.

[Giantsgiants]

I would say it's a combination of the rep system and player demographics.

 

Firstly, the rep system is grindy and tedious as all hell. It sucks. A lot of the good liveries that pay homage to pop culture are locked under relatively high levels. The least stressful way of farming rep is to go AFK which is why you often see characters walking in circles or idling their cars at the test track ramp.

 

Secondly, as big as car culture is on this forum, the hard truth is that us "car people" are the minority, especially after update after update of weaponized vehicles. Finding a spontaneous car meet is like finding a unicorn. You'd have to dig deep into internet forums to find and arrange car meets. The majority of GTA Online players these days just want to kill each other. They could care less about looking at cars.

[Quinn_flower]

Wow.... Reading all the responses. Its sad I thought I would see the car community like 2013 peak up again. I remembered the dupes cars and I still have some of them. 

 

I was there when the first police car was imported online.

 

I just came back after being away for a long time because "oh a update that isn't a heist or weapons" 

[Pedinhuh]

1 hour ago, Quinn_flower said:

Wow.... Reading all the responses. Its sad I thought I would see the car community like 2013 peak up again.

We are never seeing those times again.

[Jenkiiii]

9 hours ago, SummerFreeze said:

I expected the car meets to fail if it weren't possible to invite people from other sessions (like an activity). If you could "quick join car meet" and land in an at least semi-populated session, that would have been great.

Exactly.

 

When you load into freemode you're placed in a lobby with up to 24 random players who have their own objectives, and the probability of several of these random players being interested in car meets with other random players is extremely low.

 

What incentive do we have to go to a car meet location in the hope that some other random people might be doing the same thing as us? Dare I say it, but even Arena Wars is better than this because once loaded into the lobby you then get joined by players from other lobbies until enough people are present.

 

Car meets ARE useful for crews and groups of regular friends who prefer to do things in public lobbies because of the benefits over invite-only lobbies, but that's about it.

[LostReacher]

Agree with most points. The DLC isn't a fail (its free) but the actual car meet LS Tuners garage is. I once saw a guy get in my car while I was afk. He sat there. Then got out and left. Its pretty boring.

 

But what would have made it better imo is if the car meet is a freemode event. So suddenly it says get ready for LS carmeet, everyone has 5 minutes to get there if they want to participate. There could be unique liveries up for grabs, basically reputation gains would be double, there would be featured sprints you could do inside, time trial challenges, populatiry contest or something.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Taterman]

4 hours ago, LostReacher said:

Agree with most points. The DLC isn't a fail (its free) but the actual car meet LS Tuners garage is. I once saw a guy get in my car while I was afk. He sat there. Then got out and left. Its pretty boring.

 

But what would have made it better imo is if the car meet is a freemode event. So suddenly it says get ready for LS carmeet, everyone has 5 minutes to get there if they want to participate. There could be unique liveries up for grabs, basically reputation gains would be double, there would be featured sprints you could do inside, time trial challenges, populatiry contest or something.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

I had almost the same thought. Maybe special announcements (inside the car meet only) every now and then offering special test track races and contests for clothing unlocks, extra rep, car discounts...

It might get people to stick around in there.

[Aquamaniac]

I'm wondering about 2 other things:

 

When I host contract jobs, barely anybody joins, if I wait long enough one or two 2 guys join but when you host a new mission the day after it is relased shouldn't you expect a lot of people joining quickly?

 

The 2nd thing, I hosted and joined quite some contract jobs now and first I thought it was a bug that only Obeys show off, but my impression is that only 10 to 20% of players to take part in contract jobs own any of the new cars. Are they that unpopular or can many players simply not afford them? It somewhat ruins these missions for me that all the time you see the same stock Obeys or Sess' version of it.

Edited August 19, 2021 by Aquamaniac

[Coleco]

16 hours ago, Cratoz said:

There should be some dedicated place somewhere on the map, in the city otherwise people will not bother.

It could be a location that changes every week or something, and it should have a system similar to the yacht protection

 

That's a really nice idea - It'd definitely help mix things up for some variation. There are enough empty car parks and open spaces for this to be possible without having an impact on people who aren't interested in the car meets as well.

 

15 hours ago, Pedinhuh said:

The Time Trial is just pointless because it's just a universal timer which never gets reset, there should be a system that saves the best lap time you had per each car you drove there.

 

Again, that's a much better implementation of the system in my opinion. We all have a LOT of cars in garages - it'd be a good way to expand the purpose and replay value of the Time Trial. It'd almost be like a formalised version of Broughy's performance tests. As it stands, nothing else I drive can beat my Calico GTF's time and this game mode has become pointless within minutes of playing it.

 

7 hours ago, LostReacher said:

But what would have made it better imo is if the car meet is a freemode event. So suddenly it says get ready for LS carmeet, everyone has 5 minutes to get there if they want to participate. There could be unique liveries up for grabs, basically reputation gains would be double, there would be featured sprints you could do inside, time trial challenges, populatiry contest or something.

 

Another good idea - Having a regular location that will occasionally be part of a Freemode event with bonuses would be a much better use of the event/challenge system than "Sniper Headshot challenge" or "Free Fall and survive challenge". 

 

 

It's nice to see all these (and other) positive suggestions because it shows that GTAO players still care about the game after all this time. With this in mind, I've been sending my feedback to https://www.rockstargames.com/GTAOnline/feedback following this update instead of my usual habit of just B&M'ing here. While I believe the comments probably never even reach the dev team, this at least feels like a constructive way of highlighting some of the issues with the new content and saves R* from employing telepathy/mind-reading techniques to understand what some disgruntled players would like to see 
 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Coleco

[Astafjevs]

Think people have covered everything already so I'm just repeating what's been said. But agree in particular with the comments on the player base - most of them aren't interested in car meets or 'socialising'. They just want to engage in PvP and kill others, or ruin people's sales. The IQ of the player base is pretty low and most of them are dumb creatures, and they tend to find the simple 'kill' destroy, explode' approach most satisfying.

 

The people that want to hang together and do car meets, they've already found a method to do it. They've had to because it's impossible to do in a public lobby because of the dumb creatures mentioned above. And the method they've found is at least as good as using the LSCM, if not better. If you gave them this method a few years ago when they were searching for one, it would be used a bit more.

 

The other thing that's been mentioned that would definitely improve matters is having separate lobbies for it - as in, you can join a public lobby and then send out invites. 'XXXX is hosting a car meet, go to LSCM to join'. Something like that. A bit more spontaneous.

[Gridl0k]

2 hours ago, Aquamaniac said:

When I host contract jobs, barely anybody joins, if I wait long enough one or two 2 guys join but when you host a new mission the day after it is relased shouldn't you expect a lot of people joining quickly?

 

Quick Job for the contracts doesn't work, hashtag rockstar, the only way to join one is to quick job the CPH and half the time it's an AR.

Edited August 19, 2021 by Gridl0k

[Pedinhuh]

1 hour ago, Coleco said:

As it stands, nothing else I drive can beat my Calico GTF's time and this game mode has become pointless within minutes of playing it.

Indeed.

 

But if you feel like, you can crush that lap time with a Open Wheel racecar.

 

Yes, they can participate in the time trial.

[Coleco]

1 hour ago, Pedinhuh said:

Indeed.

 

But if you feel like, you can crush that lap time with a Open Wheel racecar.

 

Yes, they can participate in the time trial.

 

That'll be like bringing a nuclear bomb to a knife fight 

Lets do it

[Aquamaniac]

2 hours ago, Gridl0k said:

 

Quick Job for the contracts doesn't work, hashtag rockstar, the only way to join one is to quick job the CPH and half the time it's an AR.

 

I know, but if you invite people regularly you should expect some people to join, at least with a mission that new - at least one in a full lobby? The CPH bug makes things worse since people seem to join first and then to leave when they see it's no CPH.

[Jenkiiii]

The problem with the LSCM is being in a freemode lobby with a maximum of 24 players who have their own agenda. You're reliant on some of these people being interested in the same thing as you, which results in the car meet being practically dormant.

 

I think that Rockstar wanted to get numbers onboard and stimulate interest in the game, which they did, but have created a concept with little long-term appeal. Although the Rep system was interesting at first, just like Arena Points, Casino Chips, etc.; it's a niche or collector concept that has very limited appeal if you're not doing specific LSCM activities.

 

The king of GTA is cash, followed by RP, so Rockstar need to give people a significant cash incentive to go to the LSCM and need to get back to basics. They have already tried this with 2X payouts on races, but these have already become major tryhard hangouts for people with extreme win/loss ratios. The problem is, LSCM Rep just isn't enough to interest people over the long term, especially once you've unlocked the most accessible clothes and liveries.

 

Also, there is a reason why races exist in cloud-based lobbies and not in freemode lobbies, due to the technical restrictions of people coming and going all the time. If you send out an invite from a public lobby, there is a queue of people already constantly joining GTA sessions, so you need to do this from a fresh and specific LSCM cloud-based lobby, not a public lobby. If you can't invite people to your car meet for technical reasons then it's a fail, especially as there"s no global incentive to go there for essential GTA cash.