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There has been no graphical downgrade from Version 1.00 | Ultimate Comparison between 1.00 and 1.29 [Image Heavy] + New Pictures


WesternRev
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Hello everyone,


Today I’am here, to put an ultimate end to the whole/endless downgrade debate. 

I‘ve been following threads of users talking about the game being downgraded, as well as people believing the game is downgraded/upgraded with each new patch for quite some time now and have decided to do an ultimate comparison between all Versions.

 

After extensive hours, days, weeks and months of testing both versions, swapping between all Versions, taking like-for-like screenshots in almost identical conditions, and observing/comparing them side by side for hours, + in depth investigations, I'm here to bring you the truth...

 

So that today, I can deliver with assurance for every single one of you guys, that there has been no graphical downgrade, as you will see in a moment and which Version is truly superior.

 

!!!Read Page 7 or paragraph 6!!! *ITS OFFICIAL*

 

FYI [1]: The ambient occlusion has been restored since Version 1.09, as it has been altered with the day one patch 1.02, and then heavily downgraded in Version 1.03. However, people were still talking, that the game still has been downgraded, even after the restoration, which is just not true, as I will prove to you in this thread.

 

FYI [2]: All comparisons/pictures were taken on the PS4 Pro/PS5, Xbox One X/Series X.


This Thread consists of 6 Paragraphs
 

1. Comparison between Version 1.00 & 1.29
 

2. Comparison between Version 1.00, 1.09 & 1.29 [John Marston cutscene]

 

3. Comparison between Version 1.00 & 1.29 [Animated GIFs added, to illustrate the differences better] | PART 1

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Comparison between Version 1.02 [Day one Patch] & 1.29 | PART 2


4. Comparison between Version 1.00 & 1.29 | Replay Mission Cutscenes [Animated GIFs]

 

5. Comparison between Version 1.00 & 1.29 | Wardrobe [Animated GIFs]


6. Comparison between Version 1.00, 1.02 & Big Review publishers Version 1.01* | PART 1
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PART 2 | ****** OFFICIAL ******

 

⬆️ [MOST IMPORTANT PARAGRAPH] ⬆️

 

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1. Paragraph | Comparison between Version 1.00 & Version 1.29

 

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Pointers: [FYI: This cutscene is locked in terms of time of day and weather conditions, so it’s the EXACT same environment, which is good for an accurate comparison between Versions]

 

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FYI: All these screenshots were taken by using the implemented “replay mission” feature for a more accurate comparison.


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2. Paragraph | Comparison between Version 1.00, Version 1.09 and Version 1.29 [John Marston, suit up cutscene]:

 

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Pointers: John Marston doesn’t look as blurry anymore, like he did in Version 1.09. But he still looks blurry in motion [the picture in Version 1.29 was taken w/ photo mode, which adds extra sharpness, as users reported.]

 

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3. Paragraph | Comparison between Version 1.00 & Version 1.29 [Animated GIFs added, to illustrate the differences better] PART 1


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Pointers: [FYI: This scene is locked in terms of time of day and weather conditions, so it’s the EXACT same environment, which is good for an accurate comparison between different Versions. Looking for differences in progress…]
 

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Pointers: [FYI: This scene is locked in terms of time of day and weather conditions, so it’s the EXACT same environment, which is good for an accurate comparison between different Versions. Looking for differences in progress…]


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Pointers: [FYI: This scene is locked in terms of time of day and weather conditions, so it’s the EXACT same environment, which is good for an accurate comparison between different Versions. Looking for differences in progress…]

 

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Pointers: [FYI: This scene is locked in terms of time of day and weather conditions, so it’s the EXACT same environment, which is good for an accurate comparison between different Versions. Looking for differences in progress… ]

 

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Pointers: [FYI: This scene is locked in terms of time of day and weather conditions, so it’s the EXACT same environment, which is good for an accurate comparison between different Versions. Looking for differences in progress… ]


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Comparison between Version 1.02 [Day One Patch] and Version 1.29 PART 2


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Pointers: As you can see, Version 1.29 looks exactly like Version 1.02 [Day one patch]. The game at launch. The game that was praised for it’s beautiful graphics. If you look closely, you can even see that Version 1.29 was even improved upon, as I told you guys all the time, refined + as DigitalFoundry proved.
 

There was no downgrade, I say once again. 

 

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Pointers: As you can see, Version 1.29 looks exactly like Version 1.02 [Day one patch]. The game at launch. The game that was praised for it’s beautiful graphics. If you look closely, you can even see that Version 1.29 was even improved upon, as I told you guys all the time, refined + as DigitalFoundry proved.
 

There was no downgrade, I say once again. 


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Pointers: As you can see, Version 1.29 looks exactly like Version 1.02 [Day one patch]. The game at launch. The game that was praised for it’s beautiful graphics. If you look closely, you can even see that Version 1.29 was even improved upon, as I told you guys all the time, refined + as DigitalFoundry proved.

 

There was no downgrade, I say once again. 


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Pointers: As you can see, Version 1.29 looks exactly like Version 1.02 [Day one patch]. The game at launch. The game that was praised for it’s beautiful graphics. If you look closely, you can even see that Version 1.29 was even improved upon, as I told you guys all the time, refined + as DigitalFoundry proved.
 

There was no downgrade, I say once again. 


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Pointers: As you can see, Version 1.29 looks exactly like Version 1.02 [Day one patch]. The game at launch. The game that was praised for it’s beautiful graphics. If you look closely, you can even see that Version 1.29 was even improved upon, as I told you guys all the time, refined + as DigitalFoundry proved.
 

 

There was no downgrade, I say once again. 

 

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98 % of people that played RDR2 at launch played it with the day one patch aka 1.02, the patch that introduced the AO that we currently have since 1.09.

And everyone said it looked amazing and astonishing. Remember? Exactly.

 

Hell, even the downgrade folk here brings up this argument, that at launch, the game looked astonishing, compared to what it’s now.

 

But how can it look more astonishing if it’s the exact same AO as I proved? Lol. See what I did there. I caught you and your placebo googles. 

 

It’s a placebo fueled fest as I said and will say forever. 

 

98% at Launch didn’t play at 1.00, but with the day one patch [1.02 - altered AO, same as now] and look at everyone’s reaction to how the game looked on YouTube. Go and look and come back. Matter fact, go and see what big publishers like IGN and etc. said to the game when it first launched. IT…WAS…PRAISED. Best looking game of the year, etc.

 

You guys have to know that at the end of the day I’am the one, providing actual comparisons and evidence.
 

At that, good comparisons too. 

 

I have compared RDR2 on PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Xbox Series X and on a 1080p monitor and 4K Monitor. I have tested both versions several times on all platforms and Displays. All combinations you can think of. What have you done [1.00 Folk]?
 

Exactly, nothing. 
 

There…is…no…downgrade.

 

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4. Paragraph | Comparison between Version 1.00 & Version 1.29 [Animated GIFs] 

 

Warning: This huge Hiroshima Nagasaki comparison that you’re about to see that I just recently finished, is gonna end the mindless, speculating and lazy folk that says that, “1.00 has better graphics/AO etc.” without providing any evidence other than outdated comparisons and placebo speculations, debate forever. 

 

With that out of the way, let me tell you what I did before you proceed. 

I have went through the whole story, with the “replay mission” feature, both in Version 1.00 and Version 1.29, and have taken several like for like screenshots from cutscenes “only”. 

Why? Because, this is the most accurate way of comparing things ever. 

 

With that out of the way, here are all the brand new comparisons between Version 1.00 and Version 1.29, that I’ve worked for:

 

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This tweet: 

 

https://twitter.com/b0ah1907/status/1193212124702674946?s=21

 

talked about the fact, that the lighting in Version 1.29 looks worse than in Version 1.00. As you can see from the comparisons I took though, that doesn’t seem to be the case at all anymore. Matter fact, 1.29 looks more like 1.00 in the tweet I’ve linked, than 1.00 does. 
 

What’s next? Are you gonna tell me now that 1.29 suddenly looks worse?


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5. Paragraph | Comparison between Version 1.00 and Version 1.29 | Wardrobe [Animated GIFs]

 

FYI: outside lighting doesn’t affect the wardrobes, because there are no windows nor any other ways of external light being able to enter the wardrobe + the shades are always placed the same, therefore this is a very accurate way of highlighting differences between both versions. Therefore, this is a good way of seeing differences.

 

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6. Paragraph | Comparison between Version 1.00, 1.02 & Big Review publishers Version 1.01* | PART 1 

 

In this paragraph I’ll talk about what Version was being used in trailers and by big review publishers footages, like IGN, DigitalFoundry and GameSpot and why this is important.


So let’s start. 

 

Big publishers like DigitalFoundry, IGN and GameSpot, were given RDR 2 with the Day One Patch aka. Version 1.02.
 

How do I know this?

 

Because I have deeply analyzed all Versions [Version 1.00, 1.02 and of course 1.29], but that doesn’t matter right now, and looked for indicators to see what Version is what.

And I have found out that in Version 1.00, the ammo indicators is positioned high, while in Version 1.02, the ammo indicator is positioned low.

 

Version 1.00: 

 

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Version 1.02:

 

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Now have a look at the Game, big publishers played an week earlier ahead  of release:

 

 

DigitalFoundry:


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IGN:

 

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GameSpot:

 

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All ammo indicators are positioned low. What does this mean? Exactly. They were given RDR 2 with the day one patch aka. 1.02. 
 

This means that this is the superior Version. Do you think Rockstar worked on this game for 8 Years and just to release the worse version to big publishers? No. Of course they’re gonna give the big publishers the best Version possible. Which as I have analyzed and proven just right now, is 1.02 and 1.02 is exactly like 1.29 as I have proven with animated comparison pics [see paragraph 5].

 

Therefore 1.29 is better than 1.00.

 

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PART 2 | *******OFFICIAL*******

 

After I posted about my huge finding earlier on in PART 1, that big publishers like DigitalFoundry, IGN and GameSpot, were given RDR 2 with the Day One Patch aka. Version 1.02., by showing indicators that reveal, which Version is which, like the HUD ammo indicator positioning and the cash indicator positioning,@daltontigerboy made an amazing suggestion, that maybe big publishers were given not 1.02, BUT an even earlier Version, that is 1.01, which in theory includes all bug fixes of 1.02 [like Arthur’s bearded lip etc.] BUT the AO of 1.00. This was a big point. 

 

This made me very curious and it was an amazing suggestion.

 

I had to investigate. 

 

And here I’am. Back again, with valuable evidence. Apparently there are not many scenes that I could find in which I could accurately compare the AO.

 

BUT…

 

There is. 

 

One scene. Provided by IGN in their Review. A publisher, that was given an earlier Version, aka. 1.01, the best version for obvious reasons, stated down below and in Part 1.
 

And I have bad news for the 1.00 folk. 
 

Simply have a look at it yourself:

!!!LOOK AT HOSEAS COAT IN ALL COMPARISONS TO GET THE GIST!!!

 

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Let’s start with the 1.02 to 1.29 comparison to make clear that we still have the same general AO that was originally introduced in 1.02: ->


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Both look as expected, IDENTICAL in general shade placement [Look at Hoseas Coat]
 

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Now let’s start with the 1.00 to 1.02/1.29 comparison to illustrate that general AO shade placement is completely different: ->
 

Version 1.00 & 1.02:

 

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Both look as expected, completely DIFFERENTin terms of general shade placement [Look at Hoseas Coat]


Version 1.00 & 1.29:

 

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Again, both look as expected completely DIFFERENT in terms of general shade placement [Look at Hoseas Coat


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Now with the 1.00 to 1.01 comparison to illustrate that general AO shade placement is completely different as with 1.00 to 1.02/1.29: ->

 

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Again, both look completely DIFFERENT in terms of general shade placement [Look at Hoseas Coat]

 

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Now with the 1.01 to 1.02/1.29 comparison to show that general AO shade placement is identical: ->
 

Version 1.01 & 1.02:

 

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Both look IDENTICAL in general shade placement [Look at Hoseas Coat]

 

Version 1.01 & 1.29:


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Both look IDENTICAL in general shade placement [Look at Hoseas Coat]

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Yup. It’s official.

 

The AO in 1.01 aka. the footage of IGN, which were given an earlier Version, aka. 1.01, the best Version for obvious reasons, is as I predicted IDENTICAL to Version 1.02, the day one patch, while 1.00 looks completely out of place in general shade placement.

 

1.02/1.29 is closer to the AO, if not almost Identical, to Version 1.01. Why do I say “almost”, because as we all know, in patch 1.09 Rockstar refined the AO and we can clearly see it here in action, even compared to 1.01.

 

Look at how the light of the lamp, Hosea is holding bounces off his coat. This is the biggest indicator, that 1.01 has indeed the AO of 1.02/1.29, while 1.00 looks completely different. 1.02/1.29 looks closer to 1.01 [Hoseas Coat].

 

What does this mean? 

 

This means that 1.29 is better than 1.00, because Version 1.02 has the same AO as Version 1.29 as I proved several times and just again, and 1.01 has the same AO as 1.02/1.29, as I also just proved. 
 

And we all know that the Version, Rockstar is gonna give to all big publishers weeks earlier ahead of launch [IGN, DigitalFoundry, GamSpot] is gonna be the best Version they have to offer. 
 

Do you think Rockstar worked on a game for 8 Years just to release the worse version to big publishers? 

 

No. 

 

They’re gonna give big publishers the best Version possible, which was 1.01 and 1.01 has the AO of 1.02 and 1.02 has the AO of 1.29.

 

It’s official now.

 

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Conclusion [Whole Thread]:


As I proved, there has been no graphical downgrade from the obsolete Version 1.00.

 

I hope I helped some people, that were concerned about the graphics being downgraded etc., out with my ultimate and in depth comparisons/findings between versions.


Also by proving the skeptics with their placebo googles on, that were saying that the game was downgraded, wrong with irrefutable facts & evidence shown above. 

I’am done for now. There is really nothing to cover or prove anymore.

 

I’am very much at peace with myself now, that I have finally discovered which version is superior after all this work.

 

That is 1.29.

 

And I’am glad to share share it with everyone here. 

 

The discovery was made after weeks/months of objective/unbiased investigation. You all witnessed the progression of my comparisons/findings here in this thread.

 

From inaccurate 1.00 to 1.29 comparisons, to like for like animated GIFs on multiple Versions [1.00, 1.01*, 1.02, 1.29] + findings that make discerning Versions from each other easy as cake [ammo indicator positioning, money indicator positioning, general AO shades placement].

 

From going back and forth with biased people, saying this is better in 1.29, this is better in 1.00 etc., to just looking at what Rockstar used in their trailers [Part 2 Gameplay Trailer] + the Version that was sent to big review publishers. 
 

The Version that is being used in both of these scenarios stated above, is clearly and objectively the better Version. 
 

And that version was 1.02, which looks identical to the version we have this day [general AO shade placement],
 

Version 1.29.
 

I would say, that my work here is pretty much done here and I wish everyone the best.

 

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Comment down below if you got any further questions or pointers/observations.


 

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My man, it was downgraded a while ago, now it's back to normal, that's about it

The biggest difference was with the ambient occlusion, which was basically gone on version 1.07

I ain't gonna provide evidence, cause there's loads of videos on the internet, but logically speaking - 1.29 version and 1.07 - like there was at least 22 paches between the time when the downgrade occured and this post being created, they had the time to fix it, and they did

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4 hours ago, RuskiChleb said:

My man, it was downgraded a while ago, now it's back to normal, that's about it

The biggest difference was with the ambient occlusion, which was basically gone on version 1.07

I ain't gonna provide evidence, cause there's loads of videos on the internet, but logically speaking - 1.29 version and 1.07 - like there was at least 22 paches between the time when the downgrade occured and this post being created, they had the time to fix it, and they did

 

But the thing is, people were still talking daily, about the game being downgraded with the recent versions and that’s clearly not the case. 
 

The ambient occlusion was actually altered with Version 1.02 [Day 1 patch], and then heavily downgraded with the 1.03 patch, when Online was introduced.

 

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Is this on PC? I play the game on the PS4 and I can't help but feel that the patched version suffered some sort of downgrade, especially when it comes to the lightning effects. I changed to the 1.00 version a while ago and never went back.

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1 hour ago, Wolfman_ said:

Is this on PC? I play the game on the PS4 and I can't help but feel that the patched version suffered some sort of downgrade, especially when it comes to the lightning effects. I changed to the 1.00 version a while ago and never went back.


All the screenshots were taken on the PS4 Pro with the Supersampling mode disabled. 
 

Supersampling mode disabled, runs the game at a native 1080p resolution, just like the Standard PS4. It’s the same.

 

What you are experiencing is, placebo. There was no downgrade as I proved in my post and hours of testing.

 

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There is a clear draw distance downgrade on one of the pics you posted.

 

7iZhhGY.jpeg

 

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What you are experiencing is, placebo. There was no downgrade as I proved in my post and hours of testing.

 

Mate, sorry I am the one to tell you this, but the whole placebo thing is not valid anymore.

There are videos out there since 2019 that show that a downgrade took place with each and every update.

1.00 vs 1.09 for example

 

Whether its a minor downgrade or a major one, thats a different question...

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Man no offense but you started claiming that stuff on my reddit post , I told you you are trying to convince your self (not us) for something that’s so clear and proved before . I told you my friend that it’s your call if you want to play the patched or not . you can’t afford loosing the added content and some fixed bugs and having your internet turned off . Stop doing that you are waisting your time man fr..also it gets on my nerves that you spread misinformation only to convince yourself that you shouldn’t downgrade your game . Guys don’t waste your time explaining things we already know , the guy started all that on one of my reddit posts and since I stop answering he came here to find what he seeks . ALSO MAN DONT YOU SE TE 1.00 TEXTURES ARE BETTER LIKE FRRRR...!!!!!!!!!!!

41 minutes ago, MrEdcar007 said:

There is a clear draw distance downgrade on one of the pics you posted.

 

7iZhhGY.jpeg

 

 

Mate, sorry I am the one to tell you this, but the whole placebo thing is not valid anymore.

There are videos out there since 2019 that show that a downgrade took place with each and every update.

1.00 vs 1.09 for example

 

Whether its a minor downgrade or a major one, thats a different question...

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There is a clear draw distance downgrade on one of the pics you posted.

 

7iZhhGY.jpeg

 

 

Mate, sorry I am the one to tell you this, but the whole placebo thing is not valid anymore.

There are videos out there since 2019 that show that a downgrade took place with each and every update.

1.00 vs 1.09 for example

 

Whether its a minor downgrade or a major one, thats a different question...


I actually appreciate the fact, that you managed to find a difference between these 2 pictures. I didn’t even notice that. 
 

The thing is, that that’s not draw distance. They removed the trees entirely, as I have just revisited the place, from multiple locations and photo mode. 
 

The reason they did it, is most likely for the increase in performance, which was lacking in version 1.00, with supersampling enabled and 4k Output.


No one is gonna play the game at 800 % zoom. The fact that you have to zoom that close into the picture just shows, how negligible the difference is. Yet the benefits of the recent versions greatly outweigh any benefit, version 1.00 has to offer [other then John Marstons face, body, clothes change] etc.

 

The video that you linked showed the difference between Version 1.00 and 1.09. We’re now 20 patches later in. The video proves nothing. 

 

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1 hour ago, OutlawJorge7 said:

Man no offense but you started claiming that stuff on my reddit post , I told you you are trying to convince your self (not us) for something that’s so clear and proved before . I told you my friend that it’s your call if you want to play the patched or not . you can’t afford loosing the added content and some fixed bugs and having your internet turned off . Stop doing that you are waisting your time man fr..also it gets on my nerves that you spread misinformation only to convince yourself that you shouldn’t downgrade your game . Guys don’t waste your time explaining things we already know , the guy started all that on one of my reddit posts and since I stop answering he came here to find what he seeks . ALSO MAN DONT YOU SE TE 1.00 TEXTURES ARE BETTER LIKE FRRRR...!!!!!!!!!!!

Aderfe o tupos exei kollisei , sto reddit nomiza oti me trollare 

 

1 hour ago, OutlawJorge7 said:

Man no offense but you started claiming that stuff on my reddit post , I told you you are trying to convince your self (not us) for something that’s so clear and proved before . I told you my friend that it’s your call if you want to play the patched or not . you can’t afford loosing the added content and some fixed bugs and having your internet turned off . Stop doing that you are waisting your time man fr..also it gets on my nerves that you spread misinformation only to convince yourself that you shouldn’t downgrade your game . Guys don’t waste your time explaining things we already know , the guy started all that on one of my reddit posts and since I stop answering he came here to find what he seeks . ALSO MAN DONT YOU SE TE 1.00 TEXTURES ARE BETTER LIKE FRRRR...!!!!!!!!!!!

Aderfe o tupos exei kollisei , sto reddit nomiza oti me trollare 

 

Nope. I just presented irrefutable screenshot evidence that the game looks identical in the current update as it does with Version 1.00.

 

You on the other hand have proven nothing but the fact that you have to take your placebo googles off and see the facts [evidence, proof] I’ve provided in my post.

 

But hey, go ahead, keep intentionally missing the point champ.

I also like the fact, that you responded to my post on here, instead of Reddit just to not get downvoted to hell :) 

 

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4 hours ago, VideoTech said:

Ah sh*t, here's World War 3 bout to happen.

This is gonna be one hell of a ride 

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5 hours ago, WesternRev said:

The thing is, that that’s not draw distance. They removed the trees entirely, as I have just revisited the place, from multiple locations and photo mode. 
 

The reason they did it, is most likely for the increase in performance, which was lacking in version 1.00, with supersampling enabled and 4k Output.

 

No one is gonna play the game at 800 % zoom. The fact that you have to zoom that close into the picture just shows, how negligible the difference is. Yet the benefits of the recent versions greatly outweigh any benefit, version 1.00 has to offer [other then John Marstons face, body, clothes change] etc.

 

Yeah, that's still called a downgrade.

 

And the AO used in the updates is of lower quality.

You can see that in the photo you uploaded of the Valentine Store, the bottom of the products are more grainy than 1.00.

 

Also, the Valentine Store has the laterns lights removed at night with patch 1.03 and later.

 

Of course it because of perfomance, that's the reason downgrades take place.

 

But downgrades did happen, there is no placebo going on.

 

Still, it's pretty clear to me you already made up your mind. I can see it won't be a fun discussion so I will leave it to that.

 

Have fun with whatever version you are playing, just don't spread misinformation. :)

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Yeah, that's still called a downgrade.

 

And the AO used in the updates is of lower quality.

You can see that in the photo you uploaded of the Valentine Store, the bottom of the products are more grainy than 1.00.

 

Also, the Valentine Store has the laterns lights removed at night with patch 1.03 and later.

 

Of course it because of perfomance, that's the reason downgrades take place.

 

But downgrades did happen, there is no placebo going on.

 

Still, it's pretty clear to me you already made up your mind. I can see it won't be a fun discussion so I will leave it to that.

 

Have fun with whatever version you are playing, just don't spread misinformation. :)

 

You can’t really call it a downgrade, when the performance increases in turn. In fact, most people would call it an upgrade.

 

Let me ask you this. 
 

Do you want increased performance or a few little more textures being seen from far away [800 % zoom]? It’s laughable. Think about it. 
 

Additionally, I just added a new comparison into my post at the top.

 

Now tell me again, that the lighting and AO has been downgraded. I’am waiting.

 

It has literally been improved and refined. You can’t deny the facts and proof I have handed out.

 

Version 1.00 is simply inferior, in every regard. From Performance to Graphics. If I would not show you, which version is which, you wouldn’t be able to know what is Version 1.00. Stop grasping at straws. 

 

Don’t let me even begin with the bugs, that have been ironed out in 2.5 Years of development, yet are still present in Version 1.00.
 

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19 minutes ago, MrEdcar007 said:

 

Yeah, that's still called a downgrade.

 

And the AO used in the updates is of lower quality.

You can see that in the photo you uploaded of the Valentine Store, the bottom of the products are more grainy than 1.00.

 

Also, the Valentine Store has the laterns lights removed at night with patch 1.03 and later.

 

Of course it because of perfomance, that's the reason downgrades take place.

 

But downgrades did happen, there is no placebo going on.

 

Still, it's pretty clear to me you already made up your mind. I can see it won't be a fun discussion so I will leave it to that.

 

Have fun with whatever version you are playing, just don't spread misinformation. :)

You're the one spreading misinformation my friend. The bottom of the products are more grainy, yes, but that's because the AO has been upgraded, they produce more shadows and in this game, more shadows mean more grain. 

 

This has more to do with the technique Rockstar used to make the shadows look softer and therefore more realistic, and less to do with the AO used in the game. 

 

Also, yes, The lantern lights on Valentine were turned off because of performance reasons, but that's not really a downgrade. The game's lighting settings were not downgraded, they just simply removed unnecessary lights that made the game run worse. It was a smart decision to make because valentine was already well lit and the performance was awful there.

 

And the draw distance is upgraded too, not downgraded. The pop-in is a nightmare on 1.00. But if you would rather have a couple of more trees that you have to use %800 zoom to see, i guess it is the superior version.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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No reason for the bees to explain to flies why honey is better than sh*t . If you don’t see it friend then I think you are blinded by your stubbornness. Mad , cause you probably play online games and you can’t play unpatched . Because all that time you claimed spending has to be for personal reasons . Anyway , as you see no one gave a damn , we already know what’s up . Just saying , your only argument is about the AO (which man ffs is better on 1.00 it’s clear in the pics you posted) but you don’t mention the textures...textures that made JM the monstrosity  he is after 1.00 . Textures that made buildings look like paper made . We haven’t got all those comments from pc players about the textures only for you to come and claim what friend ? Do you even realise people loose stuff when going unpatched ? It’s easy to play the patch . You mention performance downgrade while personally and in some videos I’ve seen , the performance is smoother in towns .RDR2 got downgraded for the sake of online . Online can’t perform in 1.00 textures .  Opinions are like butTholes everyone has one . But the downgrade from 1.00 isn’t an opinion anymore , it’s a fact . Stop waisting your time and get real . 

Also , our argument on reddit was in a very old post of mine so claiming I’m afraid to get downvoted is hilarious ..like the whole stuff going on there and here with ya . 

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No reason for the bees to explain to flies why honey is better than sh*t . If you don’t see it friend then I think you are blinded by your stubbornness. Mad , cause you probably play online games and you can’t play unpatched . Because all that time you claimed spending has to be for personal reasons . Anyway , as you see no one gave a damn , we already know what’s up . Just saying , your only argument is about the AO (which man ffs is better on 1.00 it’s clear in the pics you posted) but you don’t mention the textures...textures that made JM the monstrosity  he is after 1.00 . Textures that made buildings look like paper made . We haven’t got all those comments from pc players about the textures only for you to come and claim what friend ? Do you even realise people loose stuff when going unpatched ? It’s easy to play the patch . You mention performance downgrade while personally and in some videos I’ve seen , the performance is smoother in towns .RDR2 got downgraded for the sake of online . Online can’t perform in 1.00 textures .  Opinions are like butTholes everyone has one . But the downgrade from 1.00 isn’t an opinion anymore , it’s a fact . Stop waisting your time and get real . 

Also , our argument on reddit was in a very old post of mine so claiming I’m afraid to get downvoted is hilarious ..like the whole stuff going on there and here with ya . 


Your opinion doesn’t matter, as you don’t provide any proof or value. You’re just like that one little brother everyone has, that is always blabbering around and about. 
 

The proof is in the pudding, as I proved it clearly in my post. Keep intentionally missing the point though. Not gonna respond to you from here on. Trolls ain’t worth my time. 

 

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13 hours ago, Wolfman_ said:

Is this on PC? I play the game on the PS4 and I can't help but feel that the patched version suffered some sort of downgrade, especially when it comes to the lightning effects. I changed to the 1.00 version a while ago and never went back.

Doesn't PS4 sounds like it's about to take off when trying to run the game? if this the case then prolly just optimisations or something. or someone in the house is pissing around with your TV settings.

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11 minutes ago, CuteFaceJay said:

Doesn't PS4 sounds like it's about to take off when trying to run the game? if this the case then prolly just optimisations or something. or someone in the house is pissing around with your TV settings.

 

No it runs just fine. Nothing wrong with the TV either. 

 

Now let's think about it for a second... Okay the pictures of this topic show no sign of downgrade, but pictures and actual gameplay - walking, running, shooting - are two very different things. I would be more convinced if there was actually a comparison (side-by-side) of gameplay footage like in the YouTube video of 2 years ago. Just my two cents.

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13 hours ago, WesternRev said:

Supersampling mode disabled, runs the game at a native 1080p resolution, just like the Standard PS4. It’s the same.

but the pro runs on higher graphics settings.
so it can be that maybe 1.0 compared to 1.29 is very similiar on the pro, but the base consoles maybe have a bigger difference

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30 minutes ago, Wolfman_ said:

 

No it runs just fine. Nothing wrong with the TV either. 

 

Now let's think about it for a second... Okay the pictures of this topic show no sign of downgrade, but pictures and actual gameplay - walking, running, shooting - are two very different things. I would be more convinced if there was actually a comparison (side-by-side) of gameplay footage like in the YouTube video of 2 years ago. Just my two cents.


With regards to Image Quality in motion, I can tell you with absolute assurance, that there is no difference between both versions. It’s the same. And even slightly better on Version 1.29. the difference though, is negligible.

 

In performance, is Version 1.29 way more optimized and stabilized [especially in SSAA Mode] and the fan is also way quieter in Version 1.29.

 

I have tested both Versions, 1.00 and 1.29 for days, going back and forth multiple times analyzing every aspect.

 

 

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3 hours ago, rollschuh2282 said:

but the pro runs on higher graphics settings.
so it can be that maybe 1.0 compared to 1.29 is very similiar on the pro, but the base consoles maybe have a bigger difference

The pro version DOES NOT run the game on higher graphics settings, all console versions of the game have the same settings, they just run on different resolutions.

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1 hour ago, 4lk4n4l4d4 said:

The pro version DOES NOT run the game on higher graphics settings, all console versions of the game have the same settings, they just run on different resolutions.

actually it does.
we have the preset file in the files.

they share most, but here, i extracted the differences

base:

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<mirrorQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</mirrorQuality>

<shadowSoftShadows>kSettingLevel_High</shadowSoftShadows>

<particleLightingQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</particleLightingQuality>

<volumetricsRaymarchQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</volumetricsRaymarchQuality>

 

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<mirrorQuality>kSettingLevel_High</mirrorQuality>

<shadowSoftShadows>kSettingLevel_Medium</shadowSoftShadows>

<particleLightingQuality>kSettingLevel_High</particleLightingQuality>

<volumetricsRaymarchQuality>kSettingLevel_High</volumetricsRaymarchQuality>

 

xbox is the same, just that base xbox has shadows at medium as well

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shadows on base are high and medium on pro?
was rockstar high :kekw:

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1 minute ago, Sneed said:

shadows on base are high and medium on pro?
was rockstar high :kekw:

that is just the soft shadows option.
which means shadows are softer on base than on pro.

shadow quality is the same

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10 minutes ago, rollschuh2282 said:

actually it does.
we have the preset file in the files.

they share most, but here, i extracted the differences

base:

 

pro:

 

xbox is the same, just that base xbox has shadows at medium as well

If the preset files are available to us in the game files, then why can't we just compare the 1.00 preset file and the 1.29 preset file? This would be the answer to all of our questions.

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The last patch (blood money for online) is the best story-mode has been since release.

I will admit that I don't see rainbows as much as I used to but the graphics in the latest patch is top notch, best it's been since day 1.

 

I play on xbox series x, xbox 1x, and xbox 1s

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5 minutes ago, 4lk4n4l4d4 said:

If the preset files are available to us in the game files, then why can't we just compare the 1.00 preset file and the 1.29 preset file? This would be the answer to all of our questions.

the file changed a lot.
like most things are still leftover from V.
but here.
day one:
 

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<Item>
      <level>kPresetLevel_PS4_1080P</level>
      <collection>
        <version value="1"/>
        <configSource>kSettingsConfig_Preset</configSource>
        <graphics>
          <ID>Graphics</ID>
          <tessellation>kSettingLevel_High</tessellation>
          <shadowQuality>kSettingLevel_High</shadowQuality>
          <reflectionQuality>kSettingLevel_Low</reflectionQuality>
          <mirrorQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</mirrorQuality>
          <ssao>kSettingLevel_Medium</ssao>
          <textureQuality>kSettingLevel_Ultra</textureQuality>
          <particleQuality>kSettingLevel_High</particleQuality>
          <waterQuality>kSettingLevel_High</waterQuality>
          <grassQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</grassQuality>
          <shaderQuality>kSettingLevel_High</shaderQuality>
          <msaa value="0"/>
          <msaaFragments value="0"/>
          <lodScale value="1.00000000"/>
        </graphics>
        <advancedGraphics>
          <ID>AdvancedGraphics</ID>
          <postFX>kSettingLevel_Ultra</postFX>
          <shadowDistance value="1.00000000"/>
          <shadowSplitZStart value="0.93000000"/>
          <shadowSplitZEnd value="0.89000000"/>
          <shadowAircraftExpWeight value="0.99000000"/>
          <cityDensity value="1.00000000"/>
          <pedVarietyMultiplier value="0.80000000"/>
          <vehicleVarietyMultiplier value="0.80000000"/>
          <shadowParticleShadows value="true"/>
          <reflectionMipBlur value="true"/>
          <taaEnabled value="true"/>
          <sharpenEnabled value="true"/>
          <fxaaEnabled value="false"/>
          <velocityBufferEnabled value="true"/>
          <shaderSSA value="true"/>
          <dofHighResEnabled value="false"/>
          <particleOverallQuality value="0.40000000"/>
          <particleLightingQuality value="0.40000000"/>
          <particleShadowQuality value="0.40000000"/>
          <particleCountScaleQuality value="0.40000000"/>
          <waterReflectionResX value="512"/>
          <waterReflectionResY value="256"/>
          <scatteringVolumeQuality>kSettingLevel_High</scatteringVolumeQuality>
          <volumetricsQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</volumetricsQuality>
        </advancedGraphics>
        <video>
          <ID>Video</ID>
          <screenWidth value="1920"/>
          <screenHeight value="1080"/>
          <vSync value="2"/>
          <pauseOnFocusLoss value="true"/>
        </video>
        <videoCardDescription>PS4 1080</videoCardDescription>
      </collection>
    </Item>

 

current one:

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<Item>
      <level>kPresetLevel_PS4_1080P</level>
      <collection>
        <version value="1"/>
        <configSource>kSettingsConfig_Preset</configSource>
        <graphics>
          <tessellation>kSettingLevel_High</tessellation>
          <shadowQuality>kSettingLevel_High</shadowQuality>
          <reflectionQuality>kSettingLevel_Low</reflectionQuality>
          <mirrorQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</mirrorQuality>
          <ssao>kSettingLevel_Medium</ssao>
          <textureQuality>kSettingLevel_Ultra</textureQuality>
          <particleQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</particleQuality>
          <grassLod value="1.00000000"/>
          <treeQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</treeQuality>
          <lightingQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</lightingQuality>
          <msaa value="0"/>
          <taa>kSettingLevel_High</taa>
          <ambientLightingQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</ambientLightingQuality>
          <fxaaEnabled value="false"/>
        </graphics>
        <advancedGraphics>
          <lodScale value="1.00000000"/>
          <shadowSoftShadows>kSettingLevel_High</shadowSoftShadows>
          <asyncComputeEnabled value="true"/>
          <transferQueuesEnabled value="true"/>
          <motionBlurLimit value="16.00000000"/>
          <particleLightingQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</particleLightingQuality>
          <waterReflectionResX value="512"/>
          <waterReflectionResY value="256"/>
          <waterReflectionSSR value="true"/>
          <waterLightingQuality>kSettingLevel_High</waterLightingQuality>
          <shadowParticleShadows value="true"/>
          <shadowGrassShadows>kSettingLevel_Medium</shadowGrassShadows>
          <probeRelightEveryFrame value="false"/>
          <sharpenEnabled value="true"/>
          <shaderSSA value="true"/>
          <worldHeightShadowQuality value="0.00000000"/>
          <directionalScreenSpaceShadowQuality value="0.00000000"/>
          <scatteringVolumeQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</scatteringVolumeQuality>
          <volumetricsRaymarchQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</volumetricsRaymarchQuality>
          <volumetricsRaymarchResolutionUnclamped value="false"/>
          <volumetricsLightingQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</volumetricsLightingQuality>
          <terrainShadowQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</terrainShadowQuality>
          <ssaoFullScreenEnabled value="false"/>
          <ssaoType value="0"/>
          <ssdoSampleCount value="6"/>
          <ssdoUseDualRadii value="true"/>
          <ssdoResolution>kSettingLevel_Low</ssdoResolution>
          <ssdoTAABlendEnabled value="true"/>
          <ssroSampleCount value="2"/>
          <snowGlints value="true"/>
          <POMQuality>kSettingLevel_Medium</POMQuality>
          <deepsurfaceQuality>kSettingLevel_High</deepsurfaceQuality>
          <treeTessellationEnabled value="false"/>
        </advancedGraphics>
        <video>
          <screenWidth value="1920"/>
          <screenHeight value="1080"/>
          <vSync value="2"/>
          <tripleBuffered value="false"/>
          <pauseOnFocusLoss value="false"/>
        </video>
        <videoCardDescription>PS4 1080</videoCardDescription>
      </collection>
    </Item>

 

these are the 1080p settings for the base PS4.
as you can see, some settings got reduced.
like particle quality from high to medium

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25 minutes ago, rollschuh2282 said:

the file changed a lot.
like most things are still leftover from V.
but here.
day one:
 

 

current one:

 

these are the 1080p settings for the base PS4.
as you can see, some settings got reduced.
like particle quality from high to medium

So the only major thing they downgraded on consoles is a setting that almost makes no difference in fps or graphics on pc?

 

(Im not the one saying this btw, check digital foundry and hardware unboxed's rdr 2 optimization videos)

 

The ssao setting remains the same on both files btw, and there are more shadows casted on objects on 1.29, so i guess it's safe to say that the ambient occlusion got more refined (improved) and not downgraded.

 

The texture quality is the same too, so you can finally shut your mouth about the goddamn textures being better on 1.00 OutlawJorge.

 

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46 minutes ago, rollschuh2282 said:

the file changed a lot.
like most things are still leftover from V.
but here.
day one:
 

 

current one:

 

these are the 1080p settings for the base PS4.
as you can see, some settings got reduced.
like particle quality from high to medium

 

With day one, do you mean Version 1.02, the day one patch, or the unpatched on disc Version, 1.00?

 

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