[NEW] Graphical Downgrades Fixed? | Ultimate Comparison [Image Heavy]

[Darealbandicoot]

On 8/19/2021 at 5:21 PM, WesternRev said:

Yes, don’t you see the picture? It’s obvious

 

That's not true 

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

Just installed the latest patch and tested the Arthur Marston suit up scene, still blurry.

 

 

Xbox One 

 

 

I also tested it on PC, same thing, still blurry:

 

Edited August 21, 2021 by GuiCORLEONEx794

[videotech_]

25 minutes ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

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I tried loading the base cutscene file with Lenny's Mod Loader but it had no difference. Unfortunately someone at Rockstar will have to take a look at this issue as it's not currently possible to edit the cutscene files right now (also they're currently hashed).

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

7 minutes ago, VideoTech said:

 

I tried loading the base cutscene file with Lenny's Mod Loader but it had no difference. Unfortunately someone at Rockstar will have to take a look at this issue as it's not currently possible to edit the cutscene files right now (also they're currently hashed).

 

I wonder if we can port the PS4 cutscene file from 1.00 to PC? I know everything is encrypted differently from the PC port, but i'm no expert in the matter so idk if it can be done

[videotech_]

14 minutes ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

 

I wonder if we can port the PS4 cutscene file from 1.00 to PC? I know everything is encrypted differently from the PC port, but i'm no expert in the matter so idk if it can be done

You can try it but I doubt it will work. I believe the PS4 files work a little differently compared to the PC formats. Though if there was a scenario that they can work with the PC version we would also be able to play a debug cutscene that was leftover in the PS4 files. It was removed from the PC version for whatever reason

Edited August 21, 2021 by VideoTech

[Red_hot_redemption]

All this talk about the downgrade, the thing that has always bothered me about the game is how bright the nighttime is, not just too bright like other games where you can fix it but turning down the brightness settings, its actually just really illuminated. I swear RDR2 night scenes are brighter than some other games day time.

 I've noticed it's when your facing away from the moon, looking at the moon has a nice look to it but turn around and its like someone is behind you with the full beams on their car. I always played on V1.0 because of the downgrade but doing a playthrough now on recent patch and hoping it would have been sorted out buy now, but its the same.

[rollschuh2282]

14 minutes ago, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

 

I wonder if we can port the PS4 cutscene file from 1.00 to PC? I know everything is encrypted differently from the PC port, but i'm no expert in the matter so idk if it can be done

different encryption.
PC is iirc encrypted in big endian while consoles have their own decryption.
so that isn´t possible.
i noticed that they they updated the .yas file once and seem to have added a section for something.
maybe they f*cked something with that.
if you want you can try overwriting the patchpack001 one with the one in the base day one files

[videotech_]

3 minutes ago, rollschuh2282 said:

different encryption.
PC is iirc encrypted in big endian while consoles have their own decryption.
so that isn´t possible.
i noticed that they they updated the .yas file once and seem to have added a section for something.
maybe they f*cked something with that.
if you want you can try overwriting the patchpack001 one with the one in the base day one files

It doesn't work, I already tried it.

Edited August 21, 2021 by VideoTech

[rollschuh2282]

19 hours ago, WesternRev said:

What console are you playing on and at which resolution?

 

Because this scene didn’t look blurry to me in Version 1.29, on my professionally calibrated monitor. It looked exactly like the screenshot I provided. 

 

here the video.
latest patch and even put resolution scaling to 1.5x and as you can see still a blurry mess

 

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

If you use photo mode the blurriness will be gone, which makes me strongly believe the OP used photo mode for the 1.29 comparison.
 

 

[WesternRev]

On 8/21/2021 at 2:44 PM, Red_hot_redemption said:

So your saying some Trees have actually been removed from the game? Not just disappearing when you get far away, but physically less trees in the area when you get up close too?

No.

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by WesternRev

[WesternRev]

On 8/21/2021 at 6:38 PM, GuiCORLEONEx794 said:

If you use photo mode the blurriness will be gone, which makes me strongly believe the OP used photo mode for the 1.29 comparison.
 

 

I used the photo mode for the comparison.
 

Apparently it adds sharpness to the picture, as users already have reported.

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by WesternRev

[videotech_]

Lol

Edited August 21, 2021 by VideoTech

[4lk4n4l4d4]

Welp, if the cutscene is blurry on pc even when using 1.5 resolution scaling, than that pretty much proves it has nothing do with the alleged ''downgrade''. Rockstar just messed it up somehow. 

 

And also i don't think the textures were altered in any sort of way. Reducing texture quality is not something that brings much to the table,it doesn't give you enough fps in return to justify the downgrade. And if the textures were downgraded it would be easier to notice, i don't think i need to explain why.

 

In the screenshots op so kindly provided to us, the textures look identical, hell almost everything looks identical really.

[WesternRev]

On 8/21/2021 at 4:40 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

You are wrong about the cutscenes since Rockstar altered the time of day and even weather in pretty much all of them compared to 1.00. The added lighting IMO looks very unnatural since Micah in the dark cabin now has a very obvious light shining in his face. 

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Edited December 24, 2021 by WesternRev

[Darealbandicoot]

13 minutes ago, WesternRev said:

That is just not true.

 

The first cutscene, to which I have comparisons of, [Comparison 1 & 2] is 100% locked in terms of time of day and weather conditions. 
 

Take my word for it. The cutscene really looks better in Version 1.29. It looks more appealing. The same cutscene, in Version 1.00, again, looks just way too dark. Nothing almost is visible in that cutscene. It’s terrible. 
 

But it IS true. I literally have the patches archived and compared them extensively. The time of day and weather is different in a lot of cutscenes now. Also, the 1.00 lighting is the actual lighting instead of the overly bright fake lighting of the latest patch. Overall its been established that AO is better in SOME areas now but overall the 1.00 version is superior not even counting that the game feels much more alive in 1.00 and overall less buggy if you weigh the pros and cons of it and the current version. 

Edited August 21, 2021 by Darealbandicoot

[Lexiture]

I don't care, I never updated the game.

[WesternRev]

On 8/21/2021 at 9:39 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

But it IS true. I literally have the patches archived and compared them extensively. The time of day and weather is different in a lot of cutscenes now. Also, the 1.00 lighting is the actual lighting instead of the overly bright fake lighting of the latest patch. Overall its been established that AO is better in SOME areas now but overall the 1.00 version is superior not even counting that the game feels much more alive in 1.00 and overall less buggy if you weigh the pros and cons of it and the current version. 

 

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Edited October 29, 2021 by WesternRev

[Darealbandicoot]

44 minutes ago, WesternRev said:

Interesting…Thank you for the insight!

 

But.

 

Whose word is to be taken in this scenario?

Because, respectively, it seems, that you have compared both cutscenes extensively, just like me. 

 

And, I say it looks better now. 

 

But, you say it looks worse.

 

Respectively, you have compared both cutscenes extensively, just like me. 

 

This can become a biased infested fest in my opinion. 

Please tell me what exactly looks better. Sure SOME shadows look better but otherwise it looks more fake than ever. 

[GuiCORLEONEx794]

4 hours ago, rollschuh2282 said:

different encryption.
PC is iirc encrypted in big endian while consoles have their own decryption.
so that isn´t possible.
i noticed that they they updated the .yas file once and seem to have added a section for something.
maybe they f*cked something with that.
if you want you can try overwriting the patchpack001 one with the one in the base day one files

 

Oh well, i thought it could be some YMT / PSIN file, thats why i imagined it could be possible

[Darealbandicoot]

On 8/20/2021 at 7:02 PM, WesternRev said:

The draw distance has not been decreased. It is the exact same, as I have tested. Rather, what they did, is remove the objects [trees etc.] completely. The trees that are not visible in Version in 1.29, yet are there in Version 1.00, have been removed completely. The Draw distance is the exact same and has not been altered.

 

 

I just tested both while flying as a bird (with help from save wizard) from valentine to the trees near Wapiti and not a single tree is missing. No idea where you got this "fact" from 

Edited August 21, 2021 by Darealbandicoot

[OutlawJorge7]

On 8/19/2021 at 8:18 PM, Wolfman_ said:

 

The way you put it makes 1.00 look like garbage. These are minor issues and some of them might actually never happen (like camp members disappearing and missions that don't progress). I've been playing with 1.00 for a long time now and it works just fine.

 

Plus the graphics are in a 100% state and there's zero blurriness like in the John Marston suit up scene and others (I know they might have corrected it by now but the scene remained in a blurry state for a long, long time).

Bro don’t waste your time . We had the same discussion before this thread on reddit . He actually started all that in one of my posts . OP won’t change his mind no matter how many times someone repeats all that . Imo even in the pics he posted 1.00 has better textures and just looks better .Every Partner who has done unpatched  runs knowsit  Like I’ve said before , it’s something that it’s proven before , by bandicoot for example  . We all know they downgraded the games  look to enhance online performance  .Its not a matter of opinions , it’s what it is . It doesn’t need arguments , it’s an argument by itself now . This thread is pointless and misleading .

 

 

PS:OP , we aren’t insane , we didn’t sacrifice dlc adds and online for the sake of nothing .

 

 

[Darealbandicoot]

On 8/21/2021 at 10:33 PM, OutlawJorge7 said:

Bro don’t waste your time . We had the same discussion before this thread on reddit . He actually started all that in one of my posts . OP won’t change his mind no matter how many times someone repeats all that . Imo even in the pics he posted 1.00 has better textures and just looks better .Every Partner who has done unpatched  runs knowsit  Like I’ve said before , it’s something that it’s proven before , by bandicoot for example  . We all know they downgraded the games  look to enhance online performance  .Its not a matter of opinions , it’s what it is . It doesn’t need arguments , it’s an argument by itself now . This thread is pointless and misleading .

 

 

PS:OP , we aren’t insane , we didn’t sacrifice dlc adds and online for the sake of nothing .

 

 

He can believe what he wants, but already there's been 2  "facts" (claimed Trees were removed which is why you can't see them even though no tree has been removed, claimed The blurryness has been fixed in motherhood even though he failed to mention he used photo mode to sharpen everything up and say there was no blurryness at all) proven false and the rest like better shadows in certain spots indoors is subjective as some like it and some don't and lights added to every cutscene making it brighter, claiming tod and weather wasn't changed in missions by Rockstar when you can easily compare it to 1.00 and its different, gives me a hard time believing him. Too many red flags. 

 

 

Here is an example anyone can do with the in game camera. As you can see more trees appear when you zoom in 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Darealbandicoot

[WesternRev]

On 8/21/2021 at 10:42 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

Please tell me what exactly looks better. Sure SOME shadows look better but otherwise it looks more fake than ever. 

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On 8/21/2021 at 11:32 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

I just tested both while flying as a bird (with help from save wizard) from valentine to the trees near Wapiti and not a single tree is missing. No idea where you got this "fact" from 

Edit 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by WesternRev

[WesternRev]

On 8/21/2021 at 11:39 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

claiming tod and weather wasn't changed in missions by Rockstar when you can easily compare it to 1.00 and its different

 

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Edited October 25, 2021 by WesternRev

[OutlawJorge7]

Another issue is that when you do side to side comparisons , the difference is subtle and how you feel about it varies on many factors like how biased you come to the comparison , interest , how much you care about it ,  how observing are you etc . You can take on the same comparison numerous times and question  your previous opinion everytime . The real deal for someone to identify which is better is to actually play both for quite some time . I update my game every now and then to play some rdo and man NO WAY the graphics are the same . Hell , I’ve never thought of playing patches story again . 

[4lk4n4l4d4]

52 minutes ago, OutlawJorge7 said:

Bro don’t waste your time . We had the same discussion before this thread on reddit . He actually started all that in one of my posts . OP won’t change his mind no matter how many times someone repeats all that . Imo even in the pics he posted 1.00 has better textures and just looks better .Every Partner who has done unpatched  runs knowsit  Like I’ve said before , it’s something that it’s proven before , by bandicoot for example  . We all know they downgraded the games  look to enhance online performance  .Its not a matter of opinions , it’s what it is . It doesn’t need arguments , it’s an argument by itself now . This thread is pointless and misleading .

 

 

PS:OP , we aren’t insane , we didn’t sacrifice dlc adds and online for the sake of nothing .

 

 

 

The textures are identical in all of op's screenshots. And if there are differences you are more than welcome to point them out. 

 

We're just trying to find out if there were any downgrades made to the game and to what extent, nobody thinks that you're insane.

[WesternRev]

On 8/22/2021 at 12:42 AM, 4lk4n4l4d4 said:

 

The textures are identical in all of op's screenshots. And if there are differences you are more than welcome to point them out. 

 

We're just trying to find out if there were any downgrades made to the game and to what extent, nobody thinks that you're insane.

He’s been spamming and rambling off-topic comments for a while. He has added no value to the thread whatsoever.

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by WesternRev

[OutlawJorge7]

10 minutes ago, 4lk4n4l4d4 said:

 

The textures are identical in all of op's screenshots. And if there are differences you are more than welcome to point them out. 

 

We're just trying to find out if there were any downgrades made to the game and to what extent, nobody thinks that you're insane.

Bro honestly , the  reason I’m kinda active in this thread is first because OP started all that in one of my reddit post and second (to reply to not saying I’m insane) because with his claims he implies I’m stupid or insane missing  online and dlc  playing 1.00 . I’ll let it slide tho as my dudes , to me all that matters is that I love playing on 1.00 And (not only for the graphics) and I trust myself on choosing preference . My actual point from the start is that it’s pointless to do what others have already proved in videos fex . No interest in pointing differences and actually arguing . Whatever you decide is the best I hope you’ll have fun with it . 

[MrEdcar007]

13 hours ago, WesternRev said:

Excuse me if I sound harsh for a moment, but the guy obviously seems to be mentally on the slower side of the spectrum, just ignore him.

 

He’s been spamming and rambling off-topic comments for quite some time now, with no value added to the thread whatsoever.

 

Honestly, right now, you are the last person to accuse someone of being "mentally on the slower side of the spectrum".

 

Your original post with your "comparisons" look like ramblings of a madman, a disturbing diary of mental deterioration.

And they only get worse with your cringy use of underlining and BOLD characters.

 

You won't accept any proof other than your own, you will only find excuses and now you resort to personal attacks.

 

This whole arguement about the downgrades has gone for a long time, especially in this forum.

 

You are 3 years late and you bring nothing to the table other than what is already known.

Edited August 22, 2021 by MrEdcar007