Older GTAO Vehicles that deserve Revisions.

[C-Rhee]

Hey all, I'm making this thread out of curiosity bred from a question I asked myself just recently regarding vehicles of old and new in GTAO.

What cars of old were done dirty in terms of appearance and perhaps even in the performance department which, in your own opinion: very much deserve Facelifts/New models under R*'s current philosophies regarding Vehicle Design?

 

I ask this because as everyone has certainly noticed within the most recent update: Rockstar's general vision regarding Car Designs has changed considerably in the past few years. Especially when compared to vehicles that were released years prior. The most notable recent examples being:

1. - The Dominator GTT, ASP, Annis ZR350 as well as others which have all been designed to be nearly identical to their real life counterparts.
2. - The Comet S2 being almost identical to it's real life counterpart, which in turn makes the original Comet and it's SR variant look almost Alien by comparison.
3. - The release of the Dinka Jester RR which further cemented it's original Toyota Supra-esque lineage from San Andreas and incidentally made the NSX based Jester look like the redheaded stepchild by mere association with the Jester name.

 

With the recent revelation from those newer vehicles, I believe that the vehicles that we're likely to get in the future will be much better than those in years past. (At least in terms of design and customization.) And with that being said, it makes me somewhat disappointed that some vehicles released prior to now ended up getting the short end of the stick and will likely never be revamped or given the same treatment as those currently released because they were made at a much different point in time.

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My own personal choice for this discussion is the Dewbauchee Specter.

(Damn, when was the last time we got a new Dewbauchee?)

(Above Specter photo credited to @TG_Stig.)

 

I've personally owned a Specter for a long time. While it certainly is a decent looking sports car for the most part, it doesn't really 100% capture the spirit nor design of it's real life inspiration: The Aston Martin DB10.

 

(Side by side comparison of the Original (Left) and my Revised version (Right) as detailed on Page 2 of this thread.)

 

I'd say that the Specter only captures about 40% of the original DB10's Spirit at the very most. The Spirit of which I'm referring to of course being that the DB10 in itself: Is meant to be a modern homage to James Bond's classic Aston Martin DB5. (Which already exists in GTA in the form of the JB 700.) The Specter ends up falling short in my eyes because it unfortunately doesn't even really try to harken back to the JB 700 at all, even though it's technically supposed to be it's new age model.

 

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My most notable grievances regarding the Specter's design are from it's mostly uninterestingly shaped surface. A lot of the older GTA cars have a really flat sort of look to them and the Specter itself sadly shares this in it's own way. It just looks bland. Then there's it's rear end of which it caves inward in a significantly harsher way than that of the DB10. Then, after that, there's it's mostly uninspired bonnet. Followed by the front end of which a petty crime was committed upon because it's grille more closely resembles that of a Porsche 918 than an Aston Martin for some reason?

 

Funnily enough: With R*'s original past inclination to unnecessarily slap those uselessly weak front mounted Machine Guns onto cars that really didn't need them for any real reason, such as with the likes of the: Ubermacht Revolter, Lampadati Viseris, Annis Savestra, Comet Safari, etc.

 

The Specter was surprisingly exempt from being weaponized in any singular way, shape, or form. Which makes no real sense considering the fact that it's sole inspiration: The DB10, having it's entire purpose for existing being that it was built specifically to be featured in 2015's Spectre, to be driven by Bond himself, as well as being fitted with an assortment of gadgets as seen in the Film:

 

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It honestly could've ended up being something along the lines of the next Ruiner 2000. But Instead of doing any of that, R* decided to give the Specter a Benny's upgrade. Of all the cars to give a Benny's upgrade, let alone specifically a Widebody upgrade.. Why the Specter?? Not only that but most of it's decent mods are tied specifically to that upgrade which I really dislike because the cars overall shape isn't too great. Making that shape even wider does not help it's case at all. It damn near rivals the Överflöd Tyrant in looking like a damn Boat on wheels.

 

(Dewbauchee Specter Custom pictured.)

 

Also to note, the Stock Rims on the newly released Emperor Vectre are VERY similar to those seen on the DB10 and it makes me grimace at what could've been. Doesn't matter though because R* is allergic to giving us the option to buy specific stock rims, let alone letting us tinker with stock rims at all without having to jump through hoops just to do something as simple as alter the color of them.

 

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Then after all was said and done, The JB 700W was released and it gave back the original JB 700 the gadgets that it so desperately deserved. Despite all of that being mentioned, The DB10 was a one and done kind of car so the Specter is unfortunately the same deal. I do hope that we eventually get a successor: a Dewbauchee based on the DB11 in a future update since we're longgg overdue for a new vehicle under the Dewbauchee name and I can really see R* making it something special considering all of the cars they've made recently. Anyways, that's about it from me.

 

Are there any particular older cars that you wish were better than what we ended up getting? I hope this sparks some discussion.

Edited August 15, 2021 by C-Rhee

[KiTTYReCkless]

Stratum.  I am fine with it being an estate but a Mk2 is much needed.  Maybe an R34 wagon? Also a classic Toyota FJ. The Karin BJ deserves more love. Modern Seminole based on the trackhawk and a buffalo hellfire. Tho it's new I really would die for a Remus based on a S15. 

[Robin1996ify]

I would nominate the Carbonizzare for the number of reasons:

 

1. The front looks atrocious especially with those hideous headlights and DRL strips.
2. The rear feels empty (very large blank spaces on the trunk) and those gaudy diffusers and ill-fitting exhausts didn't help the designs at all.
3. The interior needs to be upgraded. The tan recolored Schafter interior could be substituted with GTA 4 Turismo interior as a more appropriate and lore friendly replacement.

 

and 4.  The engine bay looks dated and out of place. An RB26DETT in a Ferrari? Those can be replaced with Itali GTO's engine bay.

 

 

I guess thats all for now, its 6 am here and ill be getting my second jab in 2 hours.

[C-Rhee]

21 minutes ago, KiTTYReCkless said:

Stratum.  I am fine with it being an estate but a Mk2 is much needed.  Maybe an R34 wagon? Also a classic Toyota FJ. The Karin BJ deserves more love. Modern Seminole based on the trackhawk and a buffalo hellfire. Tho it's new I really would die for a Remus based on a S15. 

Great choices all around, an R34 Wagon would be rad as hell. You mentioning the Stratum does unfortunately remind me of what R* ended up doing to the Benefactor Streiter:

Why does it exist? Who the hell put it in the Sports class?? Why did they give us that when we could've had this?:

What the hell were they thinking? I mean, I own a Streiter myself and I somewhat like it for it's quirks but the fact that it's stuck as a peculiar looking Offroader (In the SPORTS CLASS) when we could've instead gotten a stellar looking Mercedes Station Wagon is a travesty.

Edited August 13, 2021 by C-Rhee

[C-Rhee]

41 minutes ago, Robin1996ify said:

I would nominate the Carbonizzare for the number of reasons:

 

1. The front looks atrocious especially with those hideous headlights and DRL strips.
2. The rear feels empty (very large blank spaces on the trunk) and those gaudy diffusers and ill-fitting exhausts didn't help the designs at all.
3. The interior needs to be upgraded. The tan recolored Schafter interior could be substituted with GTA 4 Turismo interior as a more appropriate and lore friendly replacement.

 

and 4.  The engine bay looks dated and out of place. An RB26DETT in a Ferrari? Those can be replaced with Itali GTO's engine bay.

 

 

I guess thats all for now, its 6 am here and ill be getting my second jab in 2 hours.

I agree. I enjoy the Carbonizzare for what it is but it is definitely dated and a successor maybe under the inspiration of the Ferrari Portofino could possibly be a hoot. We sure as hell need more hard top convertibles in this game.

 

Edited August 13, 2021 by C-Rhee

[ForDer089]

Karin Rebel needs update with new parts and liveries. It's kind of ridiculous that rusty one has bullbars and trunk beds while normal one has Nothing.

 

[MekhiSkyline]

I have a feeling maybe in E&E, R* would update and improve some cars that look outdated, but im not certain (Since we are dealing with R* here).

 

Cars like the OG Dominator

And the Bullet

And etc.

Edited August 13, 2021 by MekhiSkyline

[Robin1996ify]

1 minute ago, MekhiSkyline said:

 

Cars like the OG Dominator

 

 

Ugly reused (and overused) muscle car interior and the anachronistic carburetted engine on that thing needs to go.

[MikeyDLuffy]

Give us a stock Benefactor Feltzer and let us make up our own minds if it should resemble a tuner car. 

[Robin1996ify]

1 hour ago, C-Rhee said:

My notable grievances regarding the Specter's design are from it's mostly undefined and uninterestingly shaped surface. A lot of the older GTA cars have a really flat sort of look to them in my opinion which I find unappealing in most cases. Then there's it's rear end in which it caves inward in a significantly harsher way than that of the DB10. Then after that there's it's mostly uninspired bonnet, then the front end which a petty crime was committed upon because it's grille more closely resembles that of a Porsche 918 than an Aston for some reason?

 

Also the fact that Specter doesn't have an engine, let alone the ability to open the hood is a huge disappointment. It makes me to believe that Specter runs on some sort of dark magic.

[C-Rhee]

The Bravado Banshee absolutely deserves a new model in my eyes.

 

 

I mean yeah, It's got a Benny's upgrade. But for such a classic, longstanding and iconic GTA vehicle, it definitely deserves a swansong. Even if the Viper itself has been dead for 4 years and counting.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Robin1996ify said:

 

Also the fact that Specter doesn't have an engine, let alone the ability to open the hood is a huge disappointment. It makes me to believe that Specter runs on some sort of dark magic.

Exactly, the select amount of cars that have no opening hood or trunks bother the hell out of me. It makes them feel.. I dunno, hollow? like a huge amount of something is missing.

Edited August 14, 2021 by C-Rhee

[MekhiSkyline]

1 hour ago, KiTTYReCkless said:

Tho it's new I really would die for a Remus based on a S15. 

Ikr tell me about it lol, I have a feeling they would add it soon.

[éX-Driver]

Practically every car in the game, especially those from prior to 2018

[turbobenzina]

Dewbauchee Rapid GT. It could've looked more like a proper Aston Martin V8 Vantage.

Considering GTA IV had the Super GT which looked very close to a DB9 it's a shame they didn't even bring that one in the game. We should've had both of them rather than one.

I really hope they would either bring the Super GT and redesign the Rapid GT.

[MikeyDLuffy]

8 minutes ago, éX-Driver said:

Practically every car in the game, especially those from prior to 2018

2 hopes.

[MekhiSkyline]

6 minutes ago, éX-Driver said:

Practically every car in the game, especially those from prior to 2018

Jester Classic for ex. lol, notice how the Calico looks on point, but they f*cked up the MK4 Supra, not only they slapped a Dinka badge on it, throw handling flags, it has very little customization for what it is.

Make it make sense R*. 

Definelty one of the biggest missed opportunities. 

[C-Rhee]

7 minutes ago, éX-Driver said:

Practically every car in the game, especially those from prior to 2018

Just imagine if every in game car had it's own model year available ranging from 2008 to present. There'd always be a newer flashier model on the horizon and there'd be something for absolutely everyone whether they appreciate the old or are looking forward to the new. That's of course impossible though cause that'd mean hundreds of updated cars each and every year and I don't think anyone, let alone R* would be willing to put themselves through that.

 

I dunno, maybe for GTA X but we'll all be dead by the time that releases soo..

[Marciliojunior01]

2 minutes ago, MekhiSkyline said:

Jester Classic for ex. lol, notice how the Calico looks on point, but they f*cked up the MK4 Supra, not only they slapped a Dinka badge on it, throw handling flags, it has very little customization for what it is.

 

i disagree, i really do like the jester classic and i think they made a great job in the 3D model. It lacks engine mods and the possiblity to chance steering wheels but other than that it has everything you want. 

[Robin1996ify]

The Z-Type and the Stinger GT, the two cars that had the potential to be a very beautiful machine.

 

 

 

The Z-Type interior is the only saving grace that can be retained or even reused to any subsequent 1930's sports car that R* would add in the future. Stinger GT can use GT500's interior.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Robin1996ify

[MikeyDLuffy]

Another Benefactor that I can't stand the sight of. The Stirling

[C-Rhee]

The 9F needs a new model. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

 

Obey Sedans are all well and good but the 9F Is longgg overdue for an improvement. It's personally been my least favorite of the older sports car for the longest. It's design is unmistakably from it's era and It's utter lack of mods make it so very hard to have it stand out when compared to other 9F's and overall I really think that it's aged the worst compared to it's peers from around the same time frame, which is why I believe a new model will give it the justice it deserves:

 

 

And given the sheer amount of race oriented customization options we've received in almost all of the newer vehicles, I could oh so easily see builds resembling things like this being possible, it's a no brainer:

 

[MekhiSkyline]

3 hours ago, C-Rhee said:

 

That and a Stock Karin Everon is needed 

I can see ppl doing a Middle East build on this vehicle lol.

[Pedinhuh]

I have so many picks, it's hard to list them all LOL 

 

Off the top of my head:

 

Comet Retro Custom: We wanted a Comet Classic version with no f*cking widebody kit, give us the Retro Custom without that sh*t and we are good, it needs nothing else because the sculpt is already solid.

 

Jester Classic: Start this sh*t over! DITCH THE f*ckING HANDLING FLAGS!!!! Yeah yeah they tried to fix it but they still came up short, bodywork is way too smooth and most of it looks flat and boring, front headlights are downright retarded and still lacks detail even if they have some depth now, rear window extend down into the trunk too much and it looks awkward, rear license plate sits too low on the rear bumper, reused interior of the Kuruma is pathetic and uninspired, reused engine sound of the Kuruma is pathetic and uninspired, reused engine model of the Kuruma is pathetic and uninspired...You sense a theme here too don't you?

 

BF Surfer: Make it properly resemble a T2 bus, ditch the 4 headlamps in favor of only 2 headlamps and put the indicator lights under the headlights so it resembles the BF Weevil, give it sliding rear doors and interior customization, and some more exterior options like front and rear bumpers, roof racks, it also needs a far more accurate interior dashboard, and a engine model, etc...

Edited September 21, 2021 by Pedinhuh

[Marciliojunior01]

7 minutes ago, Pedinhuh said:

I have so many picks, it's hard to list them all LOL 

 

Off the top of my head:

 

Comet Retro Custom: We wanted a Comet Classic version with no f*cking widebody kit, gives the Retro Custom without that sh*t and we are good, it needs nothing else because the build is already solid.

 

Jester Classic: Start this sh*t over, DITCH THE f*ckING HANDLING FLAGS, yeah yeah they tried to fix but it still came up short, bodywork way too smooth and most of it looks flat and boring, front headlights are downright retarded and still lacks detail, even if they have depth now, rear window extend down into the trunk too much and it looks awkward, reused interior of the Kuruma is pathetic and uninspired, reused engine sound of the Kuruma is pathetic and uninspired, reused engine model of the Kuruma is pathetic and uninspired, rear license plate sits too low on the rear bumper...

 

BF Surfer: Make it resemble a T2 bus, ditch the 4 headlamps in favor of only 2 headlamps and put the indicator lights under the headlights so it resembles the BF Weevil, give it sliding rear doors and interior customization, and some more exterior options like front and rear bumpers, roof racks, etc...

The surfer also has no engine and a modern interior. That poor bus deserved better. 

[C-Rhee]

I reallyyy want a Grotti Stinger based on it's appearance in GTA III and LCS to happen. That car was my sh*t. The current Grotti Stinger and it's GT variant are neat enough for what they are. but they are quite different compared to what came before them.

 

It can of course be a hybrid of the Toyota MR2 and Dodge Copperhead just as it was back then:

 

 

Hell, give it a Roof option, Spoilers and some Liveries and we'll have a Modern Yakuza Stinger on our hands as well.

 

 

[Marciliojunior01]

Ok so let's be realistic, asking for a total remake of a vehicle is the same thing asking for an entirely new vehicle. Of course in the files they will be two different entities but you get my point. In the case of the 9F for example, they wouldn't be able to build upon the existing model, would be a lot easier to start from nothing than trying to make the model we have now to be modernized. 

This is not always the case, we have the futo gtx and beater dukes as examples of vehicles made using the old model as a base. 

What i think we should focus on are vehicles that can be built upon the existing model. 

There are 3 main ways rockstar usually do this type of "remake" 

- Bennys 

- A different bodystyle of an existing vehicle 

- A new vehicle using parts of an existing vehicle 

All these imply that you have to pay an extra fee for the update, you won't be able to get more options for an already existing vehicle (the only exeptions are the prairie and penumbra ). 

Taking all this to account i thought about the Nightshade and Virgo.

Rockstar could release a non widebody nightshade being a bennys vehicle or a standalone release, giving it the well textured v8 from the lowriders and the possibilty of a working supercharger and intake. It would also bring the camaro back on the radar inside the game, since we have like 7 dominators. 

The Virgo (the albany one that you probably dont even know exists) would be a good addition to the lowrider fleet, it already has some lowrider inspired modifications, would be just a matter of giving it the hydraulics and some more interior and livery options (also a fun fact the albany virgo has a unique engine sound and is huge, is longer and taller than the emperor while being a coupe) . 

Both of these vehicles already have some tuning parts which makes a lot easier to add more from a modeling point of view. 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2021 by Marciliojunior01

[SebKle78]

I would already be somewhat happy if they would just fix all the little oversights on the OG cars like the Fugitive, Patriot - f.ex. - with their modeling inconsitencies.

Edited August 14, 2021 by SebKle78

[C-Rhee]

3 hours ago, Marciliojunior01 said:

Ok so let's be realistic, asking for a total remake of a vehicle is the same thing asking for an entirely new vehicle. Of course in the files they will be two different entities but you get my point. In the case of the 9F for example, they wouldn't be able to build upon the existing model, would be a lot easier to start from nothing than trying to make the model we have now to be modernized. 

This is not always the case, we have the futo gtx and beater dukes as examples of vehicles made using the old model as a base. 

What i think we should focus on are vehicles that can be built upon the existing model. 

There are 3 main ways rockstar usually do this type of "remake" 

- Bennys 

- A different bodystyle of an existing vehicle 

- A new vehicle using parts of an existing vehicle 

All these imply that you have to pay an extra fee for the update, you won't be able to get more options for an already existing vehicle (the only exeptions are the prairie and penumbra ). 

Taking all this to account i thought about the Nightshade and Virgo.

Rockstar could release a non widebody nightshade being a bennys vehicle or a standalone release, giving it the well textured v8 from the lowriders and the possibilty of a working supercharger and intake. It would also bring the camaro back on the radar inside the game, since we have like 7 dominators. 

The Virgo (the albany one that you probably dont even know exists) would be a good addition to the lowrider fleet, it already has some lowrider inspired modifications, would be just a matter of giving it the hydraulics and some more interior and livery options (also a fun fact the albany virgo has a unique engine sound and is huge, is longer and taller than the emperor while being a coupe) . 

Both of these vehicles already have some tuning parts which makes a lot easier to add more from a modeling point of view.

 

I certainly roll with what you're saying. There's a big difference between Revisions and Remakes and I think it's just a matter of what cars simply just need modern tweaks and improvements to what came before (Much like that seen with the Comet SR & Beater Dukes.) and what cars just need newer models all together to fit with the current times and expand on the previous namesake. (Like the Comet S2 & Tailgater S.)

 

Cars like the Comet Retro Custom absolutely fall under revision. While the Comet RC looks great in my opinion, the permanent widebody is just unnecessary. Let us CHOOSE whether or not we want the widebody. Don't tack it on and call it a day for that specific version of the car. Many people, including myself, would absolutely love a classic Pfister in it's purest form. But as for now, we're stuck with what we've got.

(While they're at it they could also tweak the headlights on the Comet Retro because they look kinda janky in terms of detail to me.)

 

And then that's not to mention that the Nightshade absolutely deserves more attention considering the fact that the Gauntlet, and most certainly the Dominator have received immense amounts of attention from R* whilst the Nightshade is just neglected for some reason.

(I counted and The Dominator: (Technically speaking) Has 9 or so different Variants yet the Nightshade can't even get a 2nd iteration.)

 

Aside from a non-widebody Nightshade with other minor improvements, they could easily throw it a bone by giving it a Benny's Upgrade that transforms it into the 1993 Z28, which I believe would fit nicely alongside all the other 90's cars we have. They could then follow that up by releasing an entirely new Nightshade model based on the 6th Gen Camaro. Finally giving it a proper modern successor alongside the rest of the Muscle Cars similar to it.

 

 

I own a Virgo and it's a unique ride. I've never really seen anyone else with it and while Lowriders aren't my thing, I don't see why it doesn't have a Lowrider variant. It received a Classic Custom but it's newer model could use some love. It'd easily fit right in amongst the other Lowriders.

[lnterloper]

A good way that Rockstar could approach this request is to simply revisit every "base game" car like the 9F to better match the level of detail of modern GTA on-line cars, adding new parts to better resemble the sources of inspiration, liveries and such, and simply ship it with Expanded and Enhanced.

 

...and while they are it, they could fix the "frontal fascia" of the Coquette Black Fin, jesus that poor thing.

[Standard Deluxe 59]

The Stanier. While it doesn't necessarily need a new model, it could use a chrome grille and a V8 engine model along with a better engine note. 

 

The Super Diamond. It's a bland flat boxy car that is supposed to look like a Rolls Royce Phantom but comes off looking more like a Chinese knockoff. It also lacks a proper engine model and is outclassed by the Windsor pair in the interior department. 

 

Exemplar. There's something off about it, (though that could be said about every Aston Martin based car that isn't the JB700 or IV Super GT) maybe it's the headlights being too close together or the grille having plain plastic looking trim around it instead of mesh or horizontal grates. 

 

Colorable interiors for all vehicles would be a great presumably simple upgrade along with some refreshments to those with blocked gauges and ones whose interiors don't fit the vehicle at all. Those are all piping dreams though.