The-Ghost Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/12/2022 at 8:25 AM, olzhas1one said: We know they didn't distribute the code with the copyrighted game data (models, textures, music, voice-acting etc.) I am a noob in this stuff, but isn't that what the mod is doing? reusing those very same assets? if I was to show that mod to someone they'd know it's Vice City, because it's using assets from the original game. isn't that what that is? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teo_0 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 53 minutes ago, Tez2 said: More surprised who ever issued out the copyright strike is working on a Sunday. The design document was up since Tuesday. Unless this was automated. its quite unlikely as the dmca on twitter isn't that automated as i hear, its not like youtube, pretty strange they didnt take down those gta 3 videos Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olzhas1one Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, The_Ghost said: I am a noob in this stuff, but isn't that what the mod is doing? reusing those very same assets? if I was to show that mod to someone they'd know it's Vice City, because it's using assets from the original game. isn't that what that is? No, what re3 and reVC is that they take the data from the original game files (gta3.img etc.) and then run them through their own engine technically. The best way for you to imagine it is it's like emulation. That's why they say you still need to buy the games. Xane_MM 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Lfc Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Emmi said: Maybe GSG is working on GTA 1 and 2 'remakes' and a reveal is imminent and that's why they are taking this down. Hide contents lmao Honestly, I'd actually take it. At least they'd be playable and available without messing around. Ivan1997GTA 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Ghost Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, olzhas1one said: No, what re3 and reVC is that they take the data from the original game files (gta3.img etc.) and then run them through their own engine technically. The best way for you to imagine it is it's like emulation. That's why they say you still need to buy the games. Isn't that copyrighted material? making my own exe still doesn't change the fact that I'm pulling from the gta3.img that Rockstar/Take2 owns. Like, I absolutely hate what they've done to the mods and creators, it's Rockstar being stupid, but I am trynna understand how the hell this isn't copyright violation. Edited August 21, 2022 by The_Ghost Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olzhas1one Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The_Ghost said: Isn't that copyrighted material? making my own exe still doesn't change the fact that I'm pulling from the gta3.img that Rockstar/Take2 owns. Like, I absolutely hate what they've done to the mods and creators, it's Rockstar being stupid, but I am trynna understand how the hell isn't this copyright violation. No, it doesn't, because you can technically create your own "gta3.img" with completely copyright-free data, there's already a precedent for this with the GZDoom engine and the FreeDoom game, it's going to take too long to explain it in a post, you can easily look that up and find better, more accesible explanations of those two elsewhere. I mean, Take Two could theoretically win by proving that re3 and reVC are reverse-engineered (something their EULA states against doing) but at the same time the re3 team could also prove that it's their own code written from scratch. As I said, an EULA is not a law, it's a contract at best. EDIT: I should mention that you shouldn't see re3 and GZDoom being the same, the reason I brought it up is because GZDoom is a physical example of the legal side of such projects. Edited August 21, 2022 by olzhas1one Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetNormalGuy Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Im gonna be really honest here, I have never heard of Mike Dailly up until now. Wasn't the original idea of GTA created by Sam Houser and David Jones or am I missing something? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankHessen Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, olzhas1one said: Take Two could theoretically win by proving that re3 and reVC are reverse-engineered (something their EULA states against doing) Do not think things are rigid as that. Reverse-engineering has been declared valid in some cases under the circumstance of not otherwise distributing copyrighted assets in any published material. Are there things that could have been done with the re3 project to provide fewer justifications for R* to use for any legal claims. That's a big 'maybe'. Not like it matters now unfortunately. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olzhas1one Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, FrankHessen said: Do not think things are rigid as that. Reverse-engineering has been declared valid in some cases under the circumstance of not otherwise distributing copyrighted assets in any published material. That's literally what I said in all of my posts. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D T Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 7 hours ago, videotech_ said: The creator of the series is basically calling them Cockstar at this point. Zee would be proud. NightmanCometh96, bahraini_carguy, eagle152 and 12 others 6 9 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Ghost Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 hours ago, JetNormalGuy said: Im gonna be really honest here, I have never heard of Mike Dailly up until now. Wasn't the original idea of GTA created by Sam Houser and David Jones or am I missing something? Yeah I do tend to differentiate GTA1 and GTA2 from what came after, they are "different" games, despite them sharing the same name, plus GTAIII is a what made the GTA series the hit that it actually is today, not the first two. Still, this adds more to the stupidity to them going after these things, like, do you really need this kind of backlash? pff. Ivan1997GTA, NightmanCometh96, JetNormalGuy and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalashnikov1947 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) On 8/22/2022 at 1:31 AM, videotech_ said: Goddamn... I hope the dev stuff are archived somewhere. A company who owns a franchise taking action against the creator of that franchise... just how low could Rockstar stoop? Edited September 29, 2022 by Panzermann11 NightmanCometh96, Telephone, Ivan1997GTA and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock n' Stock Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 3 hours ago, D T said: The creator of the series is basically calling them Cockstar at this point. Zee would be proud. We all made fun of Zee back in the day, but in retrospect, he was ahead of his time. On-topic, it's just the usual shakedown-tier methods of bullying from R*/TT, only now they're going after former-DMA guys instead of just fans/modders. Truly abhorrent behaviour, but they won't suffer any real repercussions for it, unfortunately. Zello, VCPR, Xane_MM and 11 others 11 1 1 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071931554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeSomrs Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 You gotta be kidding me. Now you got R* blocking videos from the game's creator itself? Wow, that's next level stupidity. Maybe this is worse than stupid, this is f*ckery at its worst. "They're trying to block all release of anyone's work on a game" yeah, that pretty much sums up the mods taken down by Take-Two, including re3/VC. Ivan1997GTA, Xane_MM, NightmanCometh96 and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071934017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPringle Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Hello guys, could anybody send me the GTA2 documentation, please? Thanks by advance! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071942760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesha_F1 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/6/2022 at 8:01 PM, MrPringle said: Hello guys, could anybody send me the GTA2 documentation, please? Thanks by advance! Hey man. I save it early. You can download from this news: https://efo-team.com/modules.php?name=News&file=view&news_id=1560 MrPringle and universetwisters 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071943675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPringle Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Kesha_F1 said: Hey man. I save it early. You can download from this news: https://efo-team.com/modules.php?name=News&file=view&news_id=1560 Wow man, you made my day, thank you so much !! Kesha_F1 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071943858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock n' Stock Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) On 9/8/2022 at 10:35 AM, Kesha_F1 said: Hey man. I save it early. You can download from this news: https://efo-team.com/modules.php?name=News&file=view&news_id=1560 Props to you and this website for sharing this, hopefully the videos resurface as well and more people mirror it. F*ck Rocksh*t. Edited September 10, 2022 by Lock n' Stock NightmanCometh96, Xane_MM and Ivan1997GTA 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071945306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adminsaredicks Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Maybe little off topic, but I completely cannot avoid any T2 f*ckups anymore. I play a lot mafia series, and they are ruining games via constant updates and sadly via 2k launcher... Imagine play game that runs like charm, start it after 5 months to embrace buggy mess and it takes decent amount of time to fix it and that fix is bypass 2k launcher. This is crazy and im fed up with this, I tired of gaming industry because they are now ruining great experiences that you pay for. They dont care about players anymore only their wallet. Lock n' Stock, Xane_MM and NightmanCometh96 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071945336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Lock n' Stock said: hopefully the videos resurface as well and more people mirror it The videos had been uploaded by someone else ages ago as well I believe, that wasn't taken down: NightmanCometh96, Naean, Kesha_F1 and 6 others 5 2 1 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071945348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesha_F1 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) On 9/10/2022 at 9:08 PM, Lock n' Stock said: Props to you and this website for sharing this, hopefully the videos resurface as well and more people mirror it. F*ck Rocksh*t. Heh. Next news with «removed videos»: https://efo-team.com/modules.php?name=News&file=view&news_id=1561 . Enjoy guys. P.S. You can download and save videos for your archives. Edited September 11, 2022 by Kesha_F1 NightmanCometh96 and Lock n' Stock 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071945871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock n' Stock Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) In other news, shame about the massive GTA VI leak, isn't it Take-Twat? F*ck you guys. Edited September 19, 2022 by Lock n' Stock Agem, NightmanCometh96, Xane_MM and 8 others 9 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071960401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash_735 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 I take it the GTA VI section is going under full lockdown now that Take-Two are watching and holding a knife to GTAF's neck. vitherenegade, deathdealer, Agem and 8 others 2 8 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071960744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock n' Stock Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ash_735 said: I take it the GTA VI section is going under full lockdown now that Take-Two are watching and holding a knife to GTAF's neck. Like that does anything lol. The leaked vids have gotten out and thousands have already downloaded and watched them. They can't do sh*t now. Edited September 19, 2022 by Lock n' Stock Consulexe, Ivan1997GTA, Kesha_F1 and 4 others 3 1 2 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071960813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRC99 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said: Like that does anything lol. The leaked vids have gotten out and thousands have already downloaded and watched them. They can't do sh*t now. Ain't stopping them from trying. Don't know why they're even bothering. Edited September 19, 2022 by JRC99 Lock n' Stock, Agem and Xane_MM 1 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071960838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Lib Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Zeldick's probably losing his crap. Haha, serves him right. Ivan1997GTA, Consulexe, deathdealer and 18 others 15 3 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071960935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock n' Stock Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, TheGodDamnMasterReturns said: I dont know if this was mentioned but the team behind the Definitive Edition Project restorations for the PC versions of the games got DMCA'd yesterday morning on both their Discord server and website for their Grand Theft Auto IV patch package. Half-baked IV Defective Edition inbound? Shaking down people who dare to fix their dogsh*t broken ports. Utterly disgusting. F*ck these cunts. Hope these leaks are just the beginning. Edited September 19, 2022 by Lock n' Stock B Dawg, GhettoJesus, JRC99 and 14 others 16 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071961072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRC99 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said: Shaking down people who dare to fix their dogsh*t broken ports. Utterly disgusting. F*ck these cunts. Hope these leaks are just the beginning. They just don't learn, do they? Take Two is honestly the scummiest of all the big publishers at this point. They seem to thrive on unrivalled levels of assh*leism Agem, Lowi, Ehrmantraut and 10 others 13 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071961100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggrulzok Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Take-c*nt and Turdstar are begging for the release of V and VI source code, (and i hope IV SC end up getting leaked too) NightmanCometh96, LegitimatePride, Telephone and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071971470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeMaker Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, greggrulzok said: Take-c*nt and Turdstar are begging for the release of V and VI source code, (and i hope IV SC end up getting leaked too) I also want to see GTA IV source code leaked, all of it because they punched PC users in the face when they removed multiplayer from it. Basically stole from you. That's why I avoid Steam from now on, only on GOG where I can download the game and play it offline. NightmanCometh96, Telephone, B Dawg and 5 others 8 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/974338-take-two-vs-the-gta-modding-community-2021-ee-edition/page/39/#findComment-1071971478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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