Take-Two vs The GTA Modding Community, 2021 E&E Edition

[GhettoJesus]

1 hour ago, VCPR Official said:

only person who could call for deleting mods for boomer shooters is Randy Pitchsquirt  

in other news, T2 can't let it go:

 

2023... really? I bet Zelnick forgets about the lawsuit within 5 days without a reminder and these guys still aren't giving it up. Didn't know ruining a few innocent lives are worth this much.

[A.P. VISION]

The only thing we have left, I THINK, is to fork the most recent vanilla RenderWare (maybe from Criterion's Burnout Paradise) and implement it on the WIP OpenRW.

 

So, the people behind GTA Underground (with a new name, like "Underground Liberty" or something) could work on their new project, taking apart any intellectual property (at least the art section) from 2K and Rockstar. Problem are the models and physics.

 

But we have to do something @Yhdf

Edited January 15, 2022 by Antonio Vision
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[rider_66]

13 hours ago, GhettoJesus said:

2023... really? I bet Zelnick forgets about the lawsuit within 5 days without a reminder and these guys still aren't giving it up. Didn't know ruining a few innocent lives are worth this much.

Something tells me mister Zee forgot about this one the day he received the mail from legal dept - was too busy scheduling his next session at the gym.

 

7 hours ago, Antonio Vision said:

The only thing we have left, I THINK, is to fork the most recent vanilla RenderWare (maybe from Criterion's Burnout Paradise) and implement it on the WIP OpenRW.

 

So, the people behind GTA Underground (with a new name, like "Underground Liberty" or something) could work on their new project, taking apart any intellectual property (at least the art section) from 2K and Rockstar. Problem are the models and physics. But we have to do something

Good point. Actually I was thinking about some cosmetic changes in some private fork right after hearing that news. I hope that re works are still ongoing somewhere else, though.

[greggrulzok]

I think it would be funny that the gta underground guys make their own game and turns out it gets popular af as a indie gta that keeps all the rpg-esque stuff that gta sa had, also mod-friendly unlike some greedy ass motherf*ckers

[arisfelbonilla]

Hace 2 horas, greggrulzok dijo:

Creo que sería divertido que los chicos de gta underground hicieran su propio juego y resulta que se vuelve popular como un gta independiente que mantiene todas las cosas al estilo rpg que tenía gta sa, también compatible con mods a diferencia de algunos hijos de puta codiciosos

their popularity will be very nil if they try with rockstar
I will also always support rockstar regardless of their things with the modders
total
I don't care, I don't care and I don't care what they do

[Lock n' Stock]

On 1/14/2022 at 6:31 PM, GhettoJesus said:

2023... really? I bet Zelnick forgets about the lawsuit within 5 days without a reminder and these guys still aren't giving it up. Didn't know ruining a few innocent lives are worth this much.

Zelnick in a nutshell:

 

 

[Adminsaredicks]

On 1/17/2022 at 4:01 PM, greggrulzok said:

I think it would be funny that the gta underground guys make their own game and turns out it gets popular af as a indie gta that keeps all the rpg-esque stuff that gta sa had, also mod-friendly unlike some greedy ass motherf*ckers

If they manage to get Underground as standalone game with possibility of purchase, I will not have problem buy it on steam.

This seems to be work of passion, not scummy trilogy remaster for 60 euro...

[tony cibriani65]

Hello everyone, while searching on the internet I found gta liberty city stories pc 4.0 game but it is not complete can anyone tell me why?

[VCPR]

Even if making vids "how to get free GTA$ from support" is not a good idea, using copyright takedowns is clearly wrong way to deal with that

 

[Ivan1997GTA]

Here's something that I've read when someone compared the 9th gen console versions of GTA V to the NaturalVision Evolved mod.

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NVE is a paywalled mods that cost you around 10 bucks per month for the cheapest patron subscription and compare that to completely free GTAO standalone or full version of story mode which costs around 10-20 bucks during this time period. Second please don't bring people like Razed who made mods for greed, unlike most modders in 3D era and HD era which released their mods completely free out of love and passion for the franchise, because remember, NVE is used to be free before and easily available for everyone and he's saw opportunities to make it a paywall mods. IMO he's as much as greedy as R*/T2 right now.

Why does T2 target people who make mods for free, while those that put GTA mods behind paywalls (like the aforementioned Razed with NVE) get off scot-free? If anything, they're the ones worthy of suing/filing a DMCA claim on instead of people who reverse-engineered the source code of games that are 2 decades old at this point.

Edited March 19, 2022 by Ivan1997GTA

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

Here's something that I've read when someone compared the 9th gen console versions of GTA V to the NaturalVision Evolved mod.

(quoted post)

Why does T2 target people who make mods for free, while those that put GTA mods behind paywalls (like the aforementioned Razed with NVE) get off scot-free? If anything, they're the ones worthy of suing/filing a DMCA claim on instead of people who reverse-engineered the source code of games that are 2 decades old at this point.

Because R* and T2 randomly deciding to cash in on the decade-old games for no absolute reason seems more intelligent rather than actually doing something right for once. Common capitalist logic.

 

Or maybe they just hate the modders in general since the HC scandal because they found what they tried to hide back in 2005. I guess these guys just bullied us out of their way so they can do the cashgrab without having to get into that "Hey look, this free mod's better than that $60-worth of broken piece of sh*t!" situation.

 

In fact, what kind of logic was that about with HC? Y'all made that stuff, y'all put that stuff into the game, y'all hid it in there, and when somebody discovered it and showed it to the world... suddenly the modders are the bad guys. Even Leslie Benzies' leaked(?) "THEY FOUND IT" email is a big proof of that.

[Lock n' Stock]

18 minutes ago, H-G said:

Because R* and T2 randomly deciding to cash in on the decade-old games for no absolute reason seems more intelligent rather than actually doing something right for once. Common capitalist logic.

 

Or maybe they just hate the modders in general since the HC scandal because they found what they tried to hide back in 2005. I guess these guys just bullied us out of their way so they can do the cashgrab without having to get into that "Hey look, this free mod's better than that $60-worth of broken piece of sh*t!" situation.

 

In fact, what kind of logic was that about with HC? Y'all made that stuff, y'all put that stuff into the game, y'all hid it in there, and when somebody discovered it and showed it to the world... suddenly the modders are the bad guys. Even Leslie Benzies' leaked(?) "THEY FOUND IT" email is a big proof of that.

Hot Coffee was 100% R*'s fault if you ask me. Did they honestly believe nobody would find that sh*t lurking around in the game's files? I struggle to wonder why it was even programmed and put into the game in the first place.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

Hot Coffee was 100% R*'s fault if you ask me. Did they honestly believe nobody would find that sh*t lurking around in the game's files?

200% damn straight, brother. Also, their statement about "some hackers" apparently "modding it into all copies of the game prior to release" feels like they tried to make a scapegoat out of the modders for this crap.

 

Like, for f*ck's sake dude, how did those "hackers" get the OG unfiltered audio files for CJ and his girlfriends... *cough*ing together where the voice works of Young Maylay and the girlfriends' respective VAs can be heard loud and clear? Hell, how did those "hackers" even actually made it to your servers and yanked the game files off there? That kinda puts a doubt on the quality of their work.

 

And then there's all those models, textures, animations, house interiors etc. the list goes on, they're all fully R*-made and can even be found on the G-damned first-ever PS2 release.

 

Not to mention, how does so much never-seen-before (and f*cking awkward, I must add) stuff suddenly gets added to the game by just changing one single byte in the game's code? That one's just straight bullsh*t, it was always all there on all platforms (I bet it's even on the mobile port too lol) albeit locked away with a simple toggle flag.

 

40 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

I struggle to wonder why it was even programmed and put into the game in the first place.

And that's the other thing! Like sheesh, you're making a GTA game here, it just comes across as some sh*tty cringey Japanese eroge game with the (traditional-for-Japs) RPG elements. In fact, a lot of weird stuff in SA like this one just... goes without being said upon.

 

I swear I could just never look at SA the same way again when I discovered this. What the hell...

Edited March 19, 2022 by H-G

[just Gesha]

3 hours ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

Here's something that I've read when someone compared the 9th gen console versions of GTA V to the NaturalVision Evolved mod.

Why does T2 target people who make mods for free, while those that put GTA mods behind paywalls (like the aforementioned Razed with NVE) get off scot-free? If anything, they're the ones worthy of suing/filing a DMCA claim on instead of people who reverse-engineered the source code of games that are 2 decades old at this point.

This answer is rather simple. They took down what they saw as potential competition for the Trilogy DE. On the other hand, GTA 5 mods are limited to Singleplayer(and Five M) and don't really hurt their sacred cash cow - GTA Online. So as long as that's the case, they'll probably leave them be 

[cj2000]

Can´t belive which a*holes T2 are.

[wavy afro]

Honesty really hope Ryadica926 comes back. Perhaps he could create his own website and upload it there, similar to how the GTA Underground devs have done it, and T2 never touched their website (after the calamity has passed).

 

We really need the RE: LCS mod back, or at least Ryadica being able to finish the official release and making it public.

[Kesha_F1]

1 hour ago, wavy afro said:

Honesty really hope Ryadica926 comes back. Perhaps he could create his own website and upload it there, similar to how the GTA Underground devs have done it, and T2 never touched their website (after the calamity has passed).

 

We really need the RE: LCS mod back, or at least Ryadica being able to finish the official release and making it public.

 

Hey man. If you need re: LCS, you can download it from our website: https://efo-team.com/modules.php?name=Files&d_op=get_file_details&files_id=171 (you can finish main story, but some side-missions not work in Beta 5). 

 

Maybe i can upload in the future new Beta 6 (latest version).

[Carbonox]

Never stop the madness.

 

 

[VCPR]

14 minutes ago, Carbonox said:

Never stop the madness.

 

 

Another product which they wouldn't make any effort, because that would be beneath them?

[The-Ghost]

The timing for this one too, just like last year, a GTAO DLC is coming in two weeks and the whole thing will fade away.

 

What a shameful act.

Edited July 6, 2022 by The_Ghost

[GhettoJesus]

Oh yeah by all means let's further alienate the community, great move T2. Oh well, I suppose the sheepish majority will accept the fact that T2 is so hellbent on destroying modders.

[psxdriverplayer]

Fuk wrong thread

So let's just edit this to say that companies aren't your friends

Edited July 7, 2022 by psxdriverplayer

[Lock n' Stock]

10 hours ago, Carbonox said:

Never stop the madness.

 

At this rate, I'd say it's a power-trip for these f*cking vermin. They know they can do exactly what they like and nothing will stop them. Reputation and fan communities are merely expendable.

 

A day of reckoning is seriously overdue for these scummy cunts. 

Edited July 7, 2022 by Lock n' Stock

[Zello]

Said this over on the trilogy thread. I'm not a modder this isn't my fight but there is something you guys can do. People can protest like actually go to their HQ and protest. Not an online protest those never go far and always fall on deaf ears. But physically that's what those people did in 2006 for Bully. Granted this would be different and an entirely different situation. But if angry modders could organize and show up to their doorstep they might take action.

 

Don't wanna do that? Buy up billboards next to their offices.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Zello

[B Dawg]

1 hour ago, Zello said:

Buy up billboards next to their offices.

Lol would be funny seeing a billboard that says Cockstar games, and has a definitive edition screenshot on it.

[Zello]

13 minutes ago, B Dawg said:

Lol would be funny seeing a billboard that says Cockstar games, and has a definitive edition screenshot on it.

Wouldn't do that. More like a "Rockstar please respect modders"

[VCPR]

4 hours ago, Lock n' Stock said:

 

A day of reckoning is seriously overdue for these scummy cunts.

It will happen when their next big game will be released; with their attitude TLoU2 moment is just matter of time

[Dimitroco]

To me this is an indication that T2 wants to oficially support VR in the near future. 

[Lock n' Stock]

1 hour ago, VCPR said:

It will happen when their next big game will be released; with their attitude TLoU2 moment is just matter of time

Please yes! I never thought I'd say this, but I genuinely hope GTA VI is a Fallout 76/Cyberpunk-tier disaster.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Lock n' Stock

[Ryo256]

15 minutes ago, Lock n' Stock said:

Please yes! I never thought I'd say this, but I genuinely hope GTA VI is a Fallout 76/Cyberpunk-tier disaster.

Rockstar do be needing a humbling moment. 

Then again, they will deflect the criticism, point out the minority who sent death threats to developers and tell the commnunity not to be meanies just because they made a tiny little boo-boo.