Zello Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 H-G, HungItSlays, victm92 and 13 others 2 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ondr4H Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Zello said: I bet his version is truly worth all the money! H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ondr4H said: I bet his version is truly worth all the money! He had a very small part in True Crime NYC so this is his revenge on Rockstar for the True grime diss in SA LeakyLine, H-G and Xane_MM 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ifxfdh Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, Moth said: At one point. Though never to extent like Bethesda does. Though Hot Coffee really f*cked them in the ass. 10 million is probably the max. And most of it probably went to the music licenses that still remain in the games. wait really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prst Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, Moth said: At one point. Though never to extent like Bethesda does. Though Hot Coffee really f*cked them in the ass. 10 million is probably the max. And most of it probably went to the music licenses that still remain in the games. Too much, it's the budget of "The Medium" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Ifxfdh said: wait really? I doubt it was a high budget release, and it's Grove Street Games. They used an AI to upscale the textures that they didn't replace. Xane_MM, H-G, DoctorMike and 6 others 9 Formerly known as The General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Ifxfdh said: Didnt Rockstar used to promote modding? I'm going to risk asserting that they still do — if it doesn't go too far. Despite a few takedowns that make no imaginable sense (a save file?), I think a blurry but discernible line has been drawn between acceptable modification and unacceptable creation and publication of infringing derivative works. Name any mod or mod idea, and I'll make a totally incompetent yet probably accurate prediction of its jeopardy, or lack of. H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonox Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, Magic_Al said: Name any mod or mod idea, and I'll make a totally incompetent yet probably accurate prediction of its jeopardy, or lack of. I'll bite: Rainbomizer Chaos GTA III's Frosted Winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Carbonox said: I'll bite: Rainbomizer Chaos GTA III's Frosted Winter Rainbomizer and Chaos and similar mods would be fine. Frosted Winter could be put on ice because it presents an unauthorized expansion/sequel narrative that falls under the Rockstar's warning against "making new games, stories, missions, or maps". Ivan1997GTA and H-G 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Magic_Al said: Rainbomizer and Chaos and similar mods would be fine. Frosted Winter could be put on ice because it presents an unauthorized expansion/sequel narrative that falls under the Rockstar's warning against "making new games, stories, missions, or maps". Well, the rules that Rockstar has made are f*cking stupid. Guessing classic mods like Odie's Stunt Park would be banned, since they are an expansion to the map. So f*ck Rockstar, mods shouldn't have rules when it comes to singleplayer. H-G, Lock n' Stock, Xane_MM and 9 others 11 1 Formerly known as The General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock n' Stock Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Edited November 17, 2021 by Lock n' Stock HungItSlays, Bob Loblaw, lolleroz and 34 others 3 2 30 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBreak16 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 People are already modding these games on PC in an attempt to fix them... Chief_Forasteiro, Ivan1997GTA, Lock n' Stock and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piro Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, MrBreak16 said: People are already modding these games on PC in an attempt to fix them... It will take years to fix that kind of mess Edited November 17, 2021 by Piro Xane_MM, Ifxfdh, NightmanCometh96 and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerman29 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 hours ago, MrBreak16 said: People are already modding these games on PC in an attempt to fix them... DMCA in 3,2,1...... H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pootispowse Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 So IGN gave DE 5/10, which for them is very interesting. This quote from their review really also got through to me: "I can’t help but wonder how different this re-released collection could have been had the publisher issued talented members of the GTA modding community employment contracts rather than cease and desist letters." Oof. What a shame. lolleroz, RyanDri3957V, Gravarty and 35 others 32 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfThePast Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 15 hours ago, Moth said: 10 million is probably the max. And most of it probably went to the music licenses that still remain in the games. The game looks like they have spent a maximum of 500k on the development and the rest went into a sink hole that are music licenses and what not. The standards of the Triloggy don't even meet 1 million for a project itself, of course excluding licenses and so on. Prst, BullseyeSBT, Lock n' Stock and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan1997GTA Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) I have a feeling that if Take-Two ever changes their minds about modding GTA games, they'll undo the DMCA takedowns on mods of old GTA games, but with a catch: they'll probably take a note from Bethesda and come up with a Creation Club-like system where players on the Rockstar Games Social Club can share their mods of GTA Trilogy: The Definitive Edition, GTA V and Red Dead Redemption II with Rockstar's approval, both free and paid, with the latter earning 40% revenue for Rockstar/Take-Two and 60% revenue for the modders. On second thought, it might sound like a bad idea, considering how unpopular that idea was when Bethesda launched the Creation Club. Edited November 17, 2021 by Ivan1997GTA RyanDri3957V, BilalKurd, Bob Loblaw and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonox Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 To piggyback off a post in a different thread, I also had a thought... On 11/14/2021 at 7:52 PM, Jason said: Publishers run almost the entirety of the AAA industry these days. They either own the studios that make the games, or contract them and fund it so much that they have a lot of influence. Games are green lit based on how well they can sell or monetise based on data they harvest. Look at Ubisoft for example, they make their games to a formula that they know will sell and have staved off making a new Splinter Cell for yonks cause they had no idea how to do it in a way that'd sell the numbers they want these days. EA wanting every one of their games to have a monetisable asset, or a "Ultimate Team". The BR craze is a good example, Fortnite came to console and was a giant hit and immediatelly it had publishers sprawing to see what what IP's and studios they could use to pump out a BR, leading to countless BR games from AAA publishers that were complete failures, like Ubisoft's Hyperscape. The MOBA craze was the same, publishers scrambling to get their own version out and using their IP's and studios to give it some prestige to use a selling point. Remasters are just the latest craze everyone wants in on because there's been some genuinely good ones (more often than not these are proper remakes, but the suits are clueless) and the result is we get stuff like this. Individual studios owned by publishers just don't have the freedom they once had, none of them do. That doesn't mean they should be given a free pass, cause releasing games that are just broken, unoptimised, unbalanced or whatever is on them as well but AAA publishers are the real rot of the industry for me. At times like this, Rockstar hiring modders to do the remastering properly might as well be a waste of time. Take-Turd already has a chip on their shoulder to begin with, but just imagine the inhumane working conditions and impossible deadlines they would impose, before proceeding to blame said modders for not doing it well enough for their arbitrary standards, while they themselves will never have it in them to look in the mirror for personal improvement. AAA releases have ruined gaming. HungItSlays, H-G, RyanDri3957V and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfThePast Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Ivan1997GTA said: I have a feeling that if Take-Two ever changes their minds about modding GTA games, they'll undo the DMCA takedowns on mods of old GTA games, but with a catch: they'll probably take a note from Bethesda and come up with a Creation Club-like system where players on the Rockstar Games Social Club can share their mods of GTA Trilogy: The Definitive Edition, GTA V and Red Dead Redemption II with Rockstar's approval, both free and paid, with the latter earning 40% revenue for Rockstar/Take-Two and 60% revenue for the modders. On second thought, it might sound like a bad idea, considering how unpopular that idea was when Bethesda launched the Creation Club. In my opinion, not really, especially a company like EA or T2 who likes toooo much money. Rockstar/T2 would rather burry a good mod and fine its creator for millions of dollars or at least attempt to, they are too inept on everything they do for the past years and this proposed concept would sound like inviting non-existing aliens to their own home, 0% of it happening. Dan Houser left for a reason. H-G and Lock n' Stock 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhettoJesus Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Pootispowse said: So IGN gave DE 5/10, which for them is very interesting. This quote from their review really also got through to me: "I can’t help but wonder how different this re-released collection could have been had the publisher issued talented members of the GTA modding community employment contracts rather than cease and desist letters." Oof. What a shame. What's up with all these crappy outlets actually making good posts? Kotaku standing for mdoders, IGN mentioning modders. Has the blind bootlicking come to end? Edited November 17, 2021 by GhettoJesus Lock n' Stock, Pootispowse, Xane_MM and 6 others 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfThePast Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, GhettoJesus said: What's up with all these crappy outlets actually making good posts? Kotaku standing for mdoders, IGN mentioning modders. Has the blind bootlicking come to end? My guess would be, since Rockstar haven't sent them a review copy, they can be objective as they want and get away without being blacklisted. Also, if Rockstar had to blacklist anyone, they would need to do it for nearly every gaming outlet as everyone are sh*tting at the masterpiece Trilogy that it is. Bob Loblaw, Lock n' Stock, H-G and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeSomrs Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 hours ago, ShadowOfThePast said: If Rockstar had to blacklist anyone, they would need to do it for nearly every gaming outlet as everyone are sh*tting at the masterpiece Trilogy that it is. Not to mention that there are corrupt game journalists out there. 2K bribed game journalists to give NBA 2K18 a good review whilst gamers gave it a bad one. At least even media outlets care about modding, too. It's a good thing IGN gave it a Mediocre rating, Trilogy Definitives don't have any soul. ShadowOfThePast, Ivan1997GTA, Lock n' Stock and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax765 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 21 hours ago, GhettoJesus said: What's up with all these crappy outlets actually making good posts? Kotaku standing for mdoders, IGN mentioning modders. Has the blind bootlicking come to end? They see which way the wind is blowing. The fact that the terrible quality of these releases became viral pretty quickly guaranteed that they'd want to avoid being the odds ones out. Xane_MM, Ivan1997GTA, ShadowOfThePast and 4 others 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeSomrs Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jax765 said: The fact that the terrible quality of these releases became viral pretty quickly Yeah, every single person on YouTube (not just ENXGMA) called out every single bug on those Defective Editions. But I don't think Rockstar would care fixing those either. Only modders would. Then, if someone does anything better than the developer, Rockstar will cry on Take-Turd and slap passionate modders with DMCAs. 100% crab mentality right there, guys. Edited November 18, 2021 by DodgeSomrs Lock n' Stock, BullseyeSBT, H-G and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guard3 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 So R* finally decided to bring the OG versions back to PC (albeit through their launcher). What? *Not* having them available for sale is what's causing "harm" now? Who knew! Makes you wonder if their stance on modding will reverse as well but I'm not keeping my hopes up. Maj. Smuggler, Alex106, RyanDri3957V and 15 others 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeSomrs Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, guard3 said: Makes you wonder if their stance on modding will reverse as well but I'm not keeping my hopes up. Me either, though. They thought delisting the OGs and make the Defectives the only GTAs is a good thing, just everything for $$$. Due to the fact that the OGs have trouble running on modern hardware (because the OGs use RenderWare), Rockstar should beg on modders now and start hiring them since they're going to put the OGs back as an apology that no one wants to accept. It's a good thing Silent is not making a Silent Patch for the Defectives, that's Rockstar and GSG's responsibility, not his. And kudos to those Brazilian GTA modders at MixMods, they've been improving the Definitive's Experience right now. Edited November 19, 2021 by DodgeSomrs RRT94, Xane_MM, Ifxfdh and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RzDat Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Rockstar's ""apology"" is one of the worse examples of corporate speak I've seen yet. No mention of the modding situation, No mention of the altered agreement, No mention of the shady cash-grabbing practices - just an apology and the promise to bring back the OG trilogies back to the Rockstar Store (not Steam, just on Rockstar's buggy launcher) For once I know people are gonna buy into this. They should at the very least restore the OGs on steam instead of doing an impression of a person expressing regret. Dominik_, BadaBing_1996, H-G and 18 others 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullseyeSBT Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 hours ago, guard3 said: So R* finally decided to bring the OG versions back to PC (albeit through their launcher). What? *Not* having them available for sale is what's causing "harm" now? Who knew! Makes you wonder if their stance on modding will reverse as well but I'm not keeping my hopes up. That's extraordinary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RashFaustinho Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) If I can be honest... I know it's bad thing to be happy about the failure of someone else, but I'm relieved that Rockstar is FINALLY facing a monetary loss after all they've done. Starting from GTA Online to suing the modders. I hope GTA Undergrounds developers are enjoying the just dessert as much as I am doing now, I loved that mod. Edited November 19, 2021 by RashFaustinho sabitsuki, SageFan, FalconKing and 12 others 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatteDeFruit Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Way lower than Rockstar usual quality standards, this Remastered GTA Trilogy Collection shouldn't have been released in it's current state, which is nothing less than a pale and massacred copy of the original masterpieces released in the 2000's. The GTA franchise deserves way better quality and polish than this, especially when it's coming from R* Games, one of the best videogame studios of its time and who is used to develop his games as needed. Also, it's very saddening to see how the amazing GTA modding community who is capable of making incredible creations and even fixes for old games being treated like that by this company while they're only passionate and dedicated fans who want nothing but the best for their beloved franchise, most of the times without the idea of piracy or hacking, and for FREE. Rockstar Games is one of the leaders of the videogame market and should take the time to reconsider its policy regarding not only the modding community, who is capable of making outstanding creations and tweaks, but also the remaster of their own games who shouldn't be given to a third-party studio with way less means to make games as the same quality as Rockstar Games. Thanks for reading me, and please consider this very seriously in the future. Best Regards from a very concerned fan. Xane_MM, Maj. Smuggler, RyanDri3957V and 16 others 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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