Player Assassinations still in the game?

[Shanchorman]

Hi guys, I’ve been going through all the mission givers that offer player/posse assassinations and I’m not being offered them anymore since the update.  The only thing I saw in patch notes was a couple of fixed issues related to assassinations (I don’t want to believe they ‘fixed’ them by removing it altogether).

 

Player assassinations and player bounty hunting are my two favourite things in the game…very much hoping one hasn’t been removed.

[GrungeNinja]

I don’t see them anymore and I believe they removed due to “too much crying” about pvp in this game when it could be  easly avoided just by staying defensive.

 

Boredom gameplay for free roam pvpers now.

[StyxTx]

On 7/18/2021 at 10:00 AM, GrungeNinja said:

I don’t see them anymore and I believe they removed due to “too much crying” about pvp in this game when it could be  easly avoided just by staying defensive.

 

Boredom gameplay for free roam pvpers now.

Defensive actually attracts pvpers. I actually experienced much fewer pvpers once I began staying in offensive.

Edited July 18, 2021 by StyxTx

[GrungeNinja]

On 7/18/2021 at 12:13 PM, StyxTx said:

Defensive actually attracts pvpers. I actually experienced much fewer pvpers once I began staying in offensive.

Griefers you mean, its not because one is fond of pvp he will attack everyone on sight.

[StyxTx]

On 7/18/2021 at 10:54 AM, GrungeNinja said:

Griefers you mean, its not because one is fond of pvp he will attack everyone on sight.

Some were griefers, like the ones in a posse.

 

I can't positively say they all were since many of them didn't continue to come after me after respawning. I figure they were trying to get me into offensive to play their pvp game and once I didn't they moved on.

 

Some didn't actually kill me. Some would just keep getting in my way or chasing off my horse trying to get me to attack them but they'd leave after a minute or so when I didn't play along.

 

Others would kill my horse which kept them from turning red and when I didn't react they left.

Edited July 18, 2021 by StyxTx

[GrungeNinja]

On 7/18/2021 at 1:26 PM, StyxTx said:

Some were griefers, like the ones in a posse. I can't positively say they all were since many of them didn't continue to come after me after respawning.

There always will be jerks who attacks ppl in defensive, but the fact is, if you’re in defensive, you can’t be targeted by assassination missions, so the removal was not necessary, just limit gameplay, and this is the last thing this game needs.

Edited July 18, 2021 by GrungeNinja

[StyxTx]

On 7/18/2021 at 11:35 AM, GrungeNinja said:

There always will be jerks who attacks ppl in defensive, but the fact is, if you’re in defensive, you can’t be targeted by assassination or mission, so the removal was not necessary, just limit gameplay, and this is the last thing this game needs.

Well, I'm confused about that assassination thing anyway. I got a message once about being the target while I was in defensive with no bounty on my head but someone said that was something other than the assassination? I don't know. I didn't know there was more than one way to be targeted.

 

I found the person who was coming after me and I got close to him and just stood there for about 30 seconds till he finally killed me.

Edited July 18, 2021 by StyxTx

[AmyStone]

On 7/18/2021 at 4:00 PM, GrungeNinja said:

I don’t see them anymore and I believe they removed due to “too much crying” about pvp in this game when it could be  easly avoided just by staying defensive.

 

Boredom gameplay for free roam pvpers now.

 

It's why player bounties are one of my favorite things in the game now. I used to love being on either end of a player/posse assassination. But even out of defensive they were a minor inconvenience for anyone who didn't want to do it. It was always easy to outrun the pursuers or just let them kill you then get on with you day. I was only targeted about once every couple of weeks and then it was rare for the players to actually come after me.

[Shanchorman]

Thanks for the responses guys. I fear it might be like GrungeNinja said, bowing down to people complaining about being targeted.  A bit like the old dailies where you had to kill other players in normal free roam with x/y/z weapon, where you had randomers coming up and throwing a knife in your face (at least they were doing it for a reason!). Rockstar at least said they were removing those dailies to discourage griefing behaviour.

 

The thing is with assassinations you either evade your pursuer (which you get gold, $$$s and xp for) or you die and lose literally nothing. Like AmyStone said, at the very most you’ve been inconvenienced for 5 minutes. I also enjoyed being targeted; I appreciate it’s not for everyone. I’m not 100% convinced it’s been removed entirely, unless the ‘fix’ in the patch notes that mentions them is just the removal of them.

 

Ah well, we’ve still got player bounties…for now at least. If people want to avoid those you just keep your bounty under $5, which I often explain to my targets afterwards (a lot of people message me saying they had no idea what was going on or why someone was after them).

[zPhoenix]

The issue never was the PvP missions.  The issue was R*'s incompetence at making Defensive mode work properly.  

 

People would put themselves in defensive and surprise!  You were out of defensive through no action of your own and it will not return to defensive mode unless you re-enabled it.  The same happens with the camp flag... you have the white flag up, and next thing you know it got lowered.

 

And now with Blood money... they won't even tell you if doing a Blood Money mission will change things... like making it more likely to be put in offensive mode, getting a bounty on you, or getting attacked.

 

Frankly, the whole thing is stupid.  Instead of making the game be PvP oriented for those that want it and PvE oriented for the rest... they keep trying to shove people from one mode to the other.   Then they have the gall to wonder why people complain?!!!  Stupid is stupid.  Just avoid stupid and you will not only have happy customers, you'll have MORE customers.

Edited July 18, 2021 by zPhoenix

[4eyedcoupe]

I'm not much of a pvp'er, rarely would I start one, but if I was targeted I enjoyed it.  Whether it was trying to get away or hunker down and fight, I wouldn't complain.  I can only recall on one or two occasions that someone wouldn't give up after the mission ended, but nothing major

[CosmicBuffalo]

If you go to an outlaw type stranger such as the Boy or Shakey, they probably still randomly appear.  Most people do not play these missions because no one does stranger missions.  R* should make a list of them to start rather than actually forcing you to ride over and then people would do them.

[Lonely-Martin]

On 7/18/2021 at 6:57 PM, zPhoenix said:

The issue never was the PvP missions.  The issue was R*'s incompetence at making Defensive mode work properly.  

 

People would put themselves in defensive and surprise!  You were out of defensive through no action of your own and it will not return to defensive mode unless you re-enabled it.  The same happens with the camp flag... you have the white flag up, and next thing you know it got lowered.

 

And now with Blood money... they won't even tell you if doing a Blood Money mission will change things... like making it more likely to be put in offensive mode, getting a bounty on you, or getting attacked.

 

Frankly, the whole thing is stupid.  Instead of making the game be PvP oriented for those that want it and PvE oriented for the rest... they keep trying to shove people from one mode to the other.   Then they have the gall to wonder why people complain?!!!  Stupid is stupid.  Just avoid stupid and you will not only have happy customers, you'll have MORE customers.

 

Well said, Cheers!

[GrungeNinja]

On 7/18/2021 at 1:37 PM, StyxTx said:

Well, I'm confused about that assassination thing anyway. I got a message once about being the target while I was in defensive with no bounty on my head but someone said that was something other than the assassination? I don't know. I didn't know there was more than one way to be targeted.

 

I found the person who was coming after me and I got close to him and just stood there for about 30 seconds till he finally killed me.

Most likely that happened after you came out of an activity that changes you to offensive, there were a couple times I forgot to change to defensive and I got targeted.
 

On 7/18/2021 at 5:36 PM, CosmicBuffalo said:

If you go to an outlaw type stranger such as the Boy or Shakey, they probably still randomly appear.  Most people do not play these missions because no one does stranger missions.  R* should make a list of them to start rather than actually forcing you to ride over and then people would do them.

The missions happening like random events would be interesting because ppl would get involved more often than getting from an npc, or even better, you could find npc’s like The Boy wandering around to do some task and you choose if you join them or not.

[Direwrath]

I loved being the target of these, it's sad that they would remove them. The best times was when I was in St Denis. I'd get the prompt that I was being hunted and would make a beeline straight to the cemetery. Love having a shootout in that place.

 

Of course I would surrender if the timer was running out, I'm not going to stop them from making their money from the mission. 

 

On the other hand I avoid them when they would come up from the strangers because I didn't want to bother another player who didn't want to be bothered and didn't realize they were in offensive.

[4eyedcoupe]

It's been a week +.... Has anyone gotten one since the update?  Or is it completely gone?

Edited July 22, 2021 by 4eyedcoupe

[Shanchorman]

Think they’re gone…no more Repossessions or Tracking Paid Killing missions either. Jury’s still out on whether it’s intentional or not after reading a bit about it in Reddit, fingers crossed they’ll be back.

[Wickahoney]

I think the assassination missions were removed because they're basically the same as player bounties. Now you're chasing after somebody who did something to warrant the attention instead of some random who happened to be near the mission giver.

[BUT THE BENZ]

missing a few jobs too

for example angus, at wallace station. when i did a RECOVERY job for him he offered two variants. it was by chance I got a recovery but yes, 2 styles.

now I get t choose the mission I want, so recovery it is, but there seems to be only ONE job to play. at least I got the same one twice. "...wagon gone missin, somewhere near cattail pond..." so unfortunately, there seems to be no more "...lady pasterin me about her husband gone, lost...somewhere near mount hagen..."

 

too bad

[CosmicBuffalo]

Yeah, I guess they were removed.  Other strangers have list to select from. 

[BUT THE BENZ]

On 7/23/2021 at 12:49 AM, BUT THE BENZ said:

missing a few jobs too

for example angus, at wallace station. when i did a RECOVERY job for him he offered two variants. it was by chance I got a recovery but yes, 2 styles.

now I get t choose the mission I want, so recovery it is, but there seems to be only ONE job to play. at least I got the same one twice. "...wagon gone missin, somewhere near cattail pond..." so unfortunately, there seems to be no more "...lady pasterin me about her husband gone, lost...somewhere near mount hagen..."

 

too bad

I stand corrected: that other recovery mission is indeed STILL available.

[GrungeNinja]

Just an update, last week I opened a ticket asking about the assassination missions if there were removed because no one seems to find them anymore.

 

After the typical responses “oh dear, clear your cache, some missions have cooldown to show up, look it in other npc”, today some higher tier answered me that these missions are tied to honor, clearly something that was not this way before, since I never went down from half Honor, and I dont feel like to just to check it, I had to tell you guys that plays on low honor.

 

He even linked me the last patch notes to check that the missions were not removed, but I couldnt find any change on them relating honor aswell.

 

If any of you have low honor please confirm this so we can see if the info is true.

 

I still have a feeling they were removed lol, maybe by bug.

Edited August 4, 2021 by GrungeNinja

[4eyedcoupe]

55 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Just an update, last week I opened a ticket asking about the assassination missions if there were removed because no one seems to find them anymore.

 

After the typical responses “oh dear, clear your cache, some missions have cooldown to show up, look it in other npc”, today some higher tier answered me that these missions are tied to honor, clearly something that was not this way before, since I never went down from half Honor, and I dont feel like to just to check it, I had to tell you guys that plays on low honor.

 

He even linked me the last patch notes to check that the missions were not removed, but I couldnt find any change on them relating honor aswell.

 

If any of you have low honor please confirm this so we can see if the info is true.

 

I still have a feeling they were removed lol, maybe by bug.

I have low honor on two accounts, I don't remember seeing them, but I will double check this afternoon after work

[4eyedcoupe]

@GrungeNinja
i just went through the missions for The Boy and i dont see them. I am low honor, but it isn't maxed out low.

 

Just switched to other account with good honor and checked the missions at The Boy. Then cashed in an honor change voucher to get low honor and checked his missions again and they were the same. No player assaination

Edited August 4, 2021 by 4eyedcoupe

[GrungeNinja]

4 hours ago, 4eyedcoupe said:

@GrungeNinja
i just went through the missions for The Boy and i dont see them. I am low honor, but it isn't maxed out low.

 

Just switched to other account with good honor and checked the missions at The Boy. Then cashed in an honor change voucher to get low honor and checked his missions again and they were the same. No player assaination

Well, Im not surprised, was expecting that, as we can see, R* support employees  don’t know sh*t about the game. I wonder how they can do that, such a rich and “renown” company won’t worry about having ppl that will give false information about their own game. Thats sad .

 

At least we have a good thing to rely, our community, thanks for checking this brother.

 

 

[Dark Spark]

I have been in the recieving end of two Assassination missions, both very long ago...

 

...the second of these instances occurred immediately upon logging into the game. No time to check dailies, rummage my inventory, or even settle into the world. Just 'boom' and I have to be someone else's plaything for the next five minutes.

 

And the first time? I was shopping for clothes in the Valentine general store. Suddenly I'm kicked out of the dressing room and, again, forced to be someone else's source of amusement.

 

These did not leave me with an appreciative impression of the game mechanic.

Edited August 5, 2021 by Dark Spark

[4eyedcoupe]

5 hours ago, Dark Spark said:

I have been in the recieving end of two Assassination missions, both very long ago...

 

...the second of these instances occurred immediately upon logging into the game. No time to check dailies, rummage my inventory, or even settle into the world. Just 'boom' and I have to be someone else's plaything for the next five minutes.

 

And the first time? I was shopping for clothes in the Valentine general store. Suddenly I'm kicked out of the dressing room and, again, forced to be someone else's source of amusement.

 

These did not leave me with an appreciative impression of the game mechanic.

I get it, I've even been in the middle of something and been targeted as well and found it to be an inconvenience at the time.  But there has also been times it has been a lot of fun, and I'm not much of a PVP person.  There should be a way for players to opt in or out(other than defensive), maybe something you could toggle in the settings menu to accept/not accept rather than just removing it from the game.

[Krommer]

I've not had them happen to me in forever, or had it be the mission I was picking up.

 

Of course, with the ability to select now, it isn't the one I'd pick up now.

 

When I was the target of a couple, LONG ago, I'd just get on a railroad track and go the opposite direction of the people coming after me (usually way up North);

they never caught me.

 

Now I would just go to my Moonshine shack, then giggle to myself until it was over

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Krommer

[StyxTx]

9 hours ago, GrungeNinja said:

Well, Im not surprised, was expecting that, as we can see, R* support employees  don’t know sh*t about the game. I wonder how they can do that, such a rich and “renown” company won’t worry about having ppl that will give false information about their own game. Thats sad .

 

At least we have a good thing to rely, our community, thanks for checking this brother.

 

 

Support is not part of R*. It's an outsourced crowd. Just look at the grammar in their responses. It's extremely poor.

[GrungeNinja]

10 hours ago, Dark Spark said:

I have been in the recieving end of two Assassination missions, both very long ago...

 

...the second of these instances occurred immediately upon logging into the game. No time to check dailies, rummage my inventory, or even settle into the world. Just 'boom' and I have to be someone else's plaything for the next five minutes.

 

And the first time? I was shopping for clothes in the Valentine general store. Suddenly I'm kicked out of the dressing room and, again, forced to be someone else's source of amusement.

 

These did not leave me with an appreciative impression of the game mechanic.

 It should not target ppl who where in the middle of something like in a general store, just when idling, poor design I must say.