Take-Two changes the agreement, Modding Take Downs

[CluckinGuy69]

 

On 7/18/2021 at 2:55 AM, CluckinGuy69 said:

Well, it's time to dust off the old Anti-TakeTwo logo.

(I forgot to post this rant to my reply earlier before...)

Flub you Take-Two, kiss my ass you scumbag company for takedown 3D-Era mods and I hope you rot in hell!

[MaddenedGhost]

This is 2017 all over again, it's such strange thing too, why now? I do not think they'd be doing this just because, some people here said it's to push people towards GTAO but is it really? I personally don't think so.

Here's hoping things clear out again, I said on twitter the other day that this is a "good thing", but it wasn't because I have anything against mods, I've used them myself, I was really thinking about those rumored remasters, but going after mods for previous 3D Era games too is just awful and pointless, pure bad PR for them for no gain.

[Igor Bogdanoff]

On 7/17/2021 at 9:12 PM, WildBrick142 said:

it already was.

 

even the thread for it was nuked from the forum for some reason

Ryadica (OP) asked me to hide it just in case

[H-G]

This is absolutely fncking terrible, us modders break away from family, job and even other hobbies to work hard on polishing these classic games we all played in our childhoods. Hell, some of my friends are even crazy enough to skip crucial daily routine things such as breakfast! If it wasn't for us, these games would've been stinking down some gutter like some cheap GTA-clone games a long time ago already.

 

They can't do this sh!t to us, they'll have to pay, they'll have to answer. We put billions of hours into our mods just so some greedy-ass snake bastard like Strauss Zelnick can put a "BANNED" stamp on it? I mean, COME ON!

[videotech_]

On 7/17/2021 at 9:01 PM, H-G said:

This is absolutely fncking terrible, us modders break away from family, job and even other hobbies to work hard on polishing these classic games we all played in our childhoods. Hell, some of my friends are even crazy enough to skip crucial daily routine things such as breakfast! If it wasn't for us, these games would've been stinking down some gutter like some cheap GTA-clone games a long time ago already.

 

They can't do this sh!t to us, they'll have to pay, they'll have to answer. We put billions of hours into our mods just so some greedy-ass snake bastard like Strauss Zelnick can put a "BANNED" stamp on it? I mean, COME ON!

Very true, indeed! It's very difficult and time-consuming to deliver a mod that will impress and that gets received well by the community. There's a lot of frustration involved when developing mods as Rockstar doesn't provide any sort of documentation and any tools to the modding community, we literally have to rely on what's been researched by talented mod developers and hope what is provided works. Personally myself, I've stayed up late as 3-4AM in the morning on some occasions to get a mod done. None of it is easy work and it really hurts to see Take-Two decide not to support it and rather be against it. They should be aiming towards the folks who're making online mods for GTA Online and Red Dead Online. The single-player modding community are just doing our part as passionate fans to show our creativity and help grow their reach of their titles as fans. 

 

I'm disappointed and hurt.

Edited July 17, 2021 by VideoTech_

[Ash_735]

One of the guys at ModDB has chipped in, gave some details about Take-Two didn't want to try and resolve any issues just outright ignore:

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Ash_735

[Wheatley]

I'm not giving TakeTwo the benefit of the doubt here, but I find the timings of these takedowns pretty interesting when you take into consideration that there's been recent rumours and speculation of Rockstar remastering/remaking the original trilogy for PC and next-gen consoles. They even purchased a studio in Dundee, now called Rockstar Dundee, who worked pretty much entirely on remakes/remasters. I wouldn't put it past Take Two to take these mods down thinking they'd cause "consumer confusion", that a lot of big corporations throw around when it comes to stuff like this, because they believe it'll affect sales of the supposed remakes. This has happened before with other companies i.e Nintendo with AM2R, for example. 

 

Again, I hate what TakeTwo are doing here and I hope the mods are restored - but the timing of all of this is way too convenient with what's been speculated recently.

[Jason]

I'm 100% convinced this is directly tied to the remastered 3D era trilogy, which is still just rumour right now, but it makes a lot of sense as to why they've done this.

 

Remove all the improved/fixed/enhanced/touchedup/whatever versions of the 3D era games as they conflict with the remastered 3D era trilogy and could, if you squint your eyes real hard, impact sales of said remastered trilogy. That is a plan that has Take-Two written all over it.

 

It's a gigantic slap to the face of their fans who have kept their games relevant and in many cases, still bloody working marvelously on modern hardware and systems after Rockstar (understandably, really) have moved on. It's literally a case of slapping the hand that feeds you, and sets an awful precedent going forward for the future of not only Rockstar games but all Take-Two games.

[const96b]

On 7/17/2021 at 11:31 PM, Wheatley said:

I'm not giving TakeTwo the benefit of the doubt here, but I find the timings of these takedowns pretty interesting when you take into consideration that there's been recent rumours and speculation of Rockstar remastering/remaking the original trilogy for PC and next-gen consoles. They even purchased a studio in Dundee, now called Rockstar Dundee, who worked pretty much entirely on remakes/remasters. I wouldn't put it past Take Two to take these mods down thinking they'd cause "consumer confusion", that a lot of big corporations throw around when it comes to stuff like this, because they believe it'll affect sales of the supposed remakes. This has happened before with other companies i.e Nintendo with AM2R, for example. 

 

Again, I hate what TakeTwo are doing here and I hope the mods are restored - but the timing of all of this is way too convenient with what's been speculated recently.

Hmm, maybe this is some bullsh*t marketing method. Abusing their legal rights in order to cause drama on the community and raise the fame of these games. Maybe even an attempt to attract the younger audiences who haven't played these games.

I really do put my bet on this theory either way cause they seem to have only targeted map mods. Not scripts or tools.

[Wheatley]

On 7/17/2021 at 9:36 PM, const96b said:

Hmm, maybe this is some bullsh*t marketing method. Abusing their legal rights in order to cause drama on the community and raise the fame of these games. Maybe even an attempt to attract the younger audiences who haven't played these games.

I really do put my bet on this theory either way cause they seem to have only targeted map mods. Not scripts or tools.

It's more to do with how these companies think and operate - in this case, TakeTwo honestly believe that if they do release these supposed "3D-Era Remakes" with these mods around, then someone will just purchase the original then download a mod for it, to get the same experience for much less. The truth is, these games have sold millions upon millions of copies already - but they just want to squeeze out that extra buck from the consumer at the cost of taking down mods for games they've already sold. At the end of the day it's all about that bottom dollar for corporations like this - one less copy sold is still losing money, to them.

 

I just find it interesting that TakeTwo pretty much semi-confirmed that remasters are coming in some form, because why bother going after 15 year old mods now, rather than years ago? 

 

Honestly, I'd recommend everyone here to start making backups of any graphical or gameplay enhancement mods for any of the 3D-era games - even ones you'd think they're not gonna take down, because I feel this is only the start - first map mods and then something like "SkyGFX" or even just fan-patches, like SilentPatch.

Edited July 17, 2021 by Wheatley

[Gaffa]

Just one question really... Are they killing off PC?
(I mean, who knows right, but maybe that's what's being considered perhaps even in the longer run). 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Gaffa

[const96b]

On 7/17/2021 at 11:42 PM, Wheatley said:

It's more to do with how these companies think and operate - in this case, TakeTwo honestly believe that if they do release these supposed "3D-Era Remakes" with these mods around, then someone will just purchase the original then download a mod for it, to get the same experience for much less. The truth is, these games have sold millions upon millions of copies already - but they just want to squeeze out that extra buck from the consumer at the cost of taking down mods for games they've already sold. At the end of the day it's all about that bottom dollar for corporations like this - one less copy sold is still losing money, to them.

 

I just find it interesting that TakeTwo pretty much semi-confirmed that remasters are coming in some form, because why bother going after 15 year old mods now, rather than years ago? 

 

Honestly, I'd recommend everyone here to start making backups of any graphical or gameplay enhancement mods for any of the 3D-era games - even ones you'd think they're not gonna take down, because I feel this is only the start - first map mods and then something like "SkyGFX" or even just fan-patches, like SilentPatch.

I usually do keep backups of all of the mods I like (pretty much any mod I download). I don't have many 3D era mods though. I do have all the important fixes though. Steam exe, downgrader, Silent patch and the game files (GTA SA). Not really interested for VC or III.

Overall I don't think these mods will go extinct. No need to worry over that I believe. They don't go after unofficial links as long as they don't get popular/promoted from famous people. You can still find download links of many mods like Liberty City in GTA V.

[Americana]

Babies: Yes, this means we are going to get remakes!

 

Chads: Yeah, well...

Edited July 17, 2021 by Americana

[const96b]

On 7/17/2021 at 11:48 PM, Gaffa said:

Just one question really... Are they killing off PC?
(I mean, who knows right, but maybe that's what's being considered perhaps even in the longer run). 

No, a year or 2 ago they stated that they want to release their games to as many platforms as possible.

[Gaffa]

On 7/17/2021 at 9:53 PM, const96b said:

No, a year or 2 ago they stated that they want to release their games to as many platforms as possible.

 

Ahh of course. Never mind - well I'll wish that one day there's some better player to player infrastructure if they're not going down the server route and at least some attention is given towards a viable anti-cheat system. 

[Igor Bogdanoff]

They took down IV map in V and RDR1 map in V, we didnt get remaster of neither.

We are getting sh*t, or crappy remasters at best (no LCS or VCS tho, f*ck those two, especially VCS ofc)

They just moving what they can do to the community, cause sh*t, wait for backslash and then go few steps back, but keep modding restricted a bit more.

[Bob Loblaw_]

I can't wait for the trilogy remake if that is what is happening, my bittorrent and VPN are ready!

[kubon352]

On 7/17/2021 at 10:48 PM, Gaffa said:

Just one question really... Are they killing off PC?
(I mean, who knows right, but maybe that's what's being considered perhaps even in the longer run). 

Releasing Rockstar Launcher wouldn't make sense tho

[Davve95]

Damn, this is really sick and sad..

[BS_BlackScout]

On 7/17/2021 at 5:48 PM, Gaffa said:

Just one question really... Are they killing off PC?
(I mean, who knows right, but maybe that's what's being considered perhaps even in the longer run). 

 

Are they?

[Legomanarthur]

They sure like to piss people off at T2. One of the main reasons why older games are still loved and played years after their release is because of the modding community. Taking this opportunity to ban mods that have existed for so many years is really low.

[suicidal_banana]

They better f-ing tell us about trilogy remaster next week or we riot.
And even then i highly doubt people are gonna accept this sort of bs, did they already forget what happened last time??

[raxp]

On 7/18/2021 at 12:31 AM, Wheatley said:

I'm not giving TakeTwo the benefit of the doubt here, but I find the timings of these takedowns pretty interesting when you take into consideration that there's been recent rumours and speculation of Rockstar remastering/remaking the original trilogy for PC and next-gen consoles.

Just like 2017, here we go again. I've heard that all before. Liberty City project from OpenIV team, was taken down by Take-Two. Oh, they're gonna release a Liberty City DLC for GTA V, that might be the reason of a takedown, right?

 

Nope, from 2017 the all "entirely new location" we got is a small private island without a freeroam ability. Where is that Liberty City DLC now?

I think nothing will happen. You'll still run the same old GTA3 with the same old graphics and SilentPatch (if Take-Two will not take it down).

[BadaBing_1996]

Jesus f*cking christ, this is borderline scummy motherf*cker behaviour.

 

f*ck Take Two, f*ck Strauss Zelnick, f*ck anyone who supports this bullsh*t.

 

This is definitely going to piss off a large chunk of Twitch RP streamers, hopefully they will rally behind.

Edited July 17, 2021 by BadaBing_1996

[Guest]

Why is everyone mad rockstar and take two has shown multiple times in the past they don’t like people porting their maps from game to game, so why is everyone shocked they are taking down more map mods

[BadaBing_1996]

On 7/17/2021 at 5:05 PM, SwishiestRock29 said:

Why is everyone mad rockstar and take two has shown multiple times in the past they don’t like people porting their maps from game to game, so why is everyone shocked they are taking down more map mods

I'll bite, most of the mods removed are a decade-old at this point. I'm sure someone will bring up a better response but f*ck me, this is internet history, you know?

 

It's disheartening, the 2000s were simpler times.

Edited July 17, 2021 by BadaBing_1996

[Mattineu]

I am worried if i am even going to be able to release Lienne to the public now, it was allways my dream to make a new map to SA, but i guess the moment i release it those roaches will want to take it down, hopefully i am wrong...

[Wheatley]

On 7/17/2021 at 10:48 PM, Raxp said:

Just like 2017, here we go again. I've heard that all before. Liberty City project from OpenIV team, was taken down by Take-Two. Oh, they're gonna release a Liberty City DLC for GTA V, that might be the reason of a takedown, right?

 

Nope, from 2017 the all "entirely new location" we got is a small private island without a freeroam ability. Where is that Liberty City DLC now?

I think nothing will happen. You'll still run the same old GTA3 with the same old graphics and SilentPatch (if Take-Two will not take it down).

 

There's honestly too many dots connecting here for it not to be about the rumored remasters. Why would Rockstar go through the effort of purchasing that studio in Dundee, which pretty much worked exclusively on remakes, if they weren't going to use their skills on anything but remakes? You also have to consider that the Liberty City project was taken down because, at the time, TakeTwo seemed more interested in their current projects i.e GTA V, than anything to do with the 3D-era because unlike 3, Vice City and San Andreas - GTA V still prints lots of money every month. This isn't TakeTwo taking down one mod, they're going after several in quick succession - for some reason they really don't want people to have these mods for games that are 15+ years old by now, and that reason has to do with losing income. 

[ikt]

So, from a (moderator at) GTA5-Mods.com perspective, there only have been complaints about specifically a few map conversions from older era GTA games. We did not allow IV's Liberty City due to earlier/quicker takedown requests already, but this is new. The uploads have of course been taken down.

 

No other content has been flagged as of yet, let's hope it stays this way. Curious to see how this plays out - from my perspective it's just R*/T2 not liking people using their IP (weird change of heart after 6 years...). Personally I'll just see how this plays out.

Edited July 17, 2021 by ikt

[Jezus Holy Christ]

F*ck Take-Two.

After what we've seen this last decade, it takes a damn fool to think anything good is coming out of this.