Popular Post Ash_735 Posted July 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Just to make sure as many people here know as possible, Take-Two have been going heavy with the DMCA's this week, first starting with GTAV map mods like GTA3 Portland, Vice City Overhaul, etc, which is fair as they fell under the "agreement". Oh wait... What's the "agreement"? The "agreement" came around after the first attempt when Take-Two tried to make modding GTA games ILLEGAL, this resulted in the take down of OpenIV, naturally this did not fly well back in 2017 and both gamers and the gaming media attacked Rockstar and Take-Two for this decision. Now what came from this is Rockstar Games stepping up and talking to Take-Two to highlight the importance of the modding community and as such the take downs was dropped but some "rules" were put into place, the original was drafted up in 2017 and can be summarised as "Don't port maps/vehicles/content from older GTA games or other video games series to RAGE" and "Stay away from Online, absolutely do not touch Online or anything related to GTA Online". Simple right? The older RenderWare era was also not going to be enforced so that's OK to mod as much as you'd like. Well in 2019 this "agreement" was updated without informing the community, multiple changes and words were changed to pretty much add in a disclaimer that Take-Two can override any of this and well, Take-Two can do what they want. There's also a weird rule stating the along with older content not allowed to be ported to RAGE/GTAV, you can not create NEW content such as maps, vehicles, missions, but wait, if we can't do old stuff and can not do new stuff isn't that basically saying we have nothing to do? The agreement that Rockstar Posted Online was also excluded from the wayback machine and other archiving websites so people can no longer check what it used to say. Classy. What's happened now? Since early hours today Take-Down have sent out mass take downs for older GTA game mods, the 3D era that was previously safe has now been hit in a massive attack erasing a lot of history, including mods that have been featured on GTAF in the Modding Section such as GTA: Liberty City (a project that is over 15 years old) and GTA: Underground (which was due a large update in the next few days). It's not even major map porting projects that have been hit but even HD texture projects such as the famous Vice Cry! What other Mods were hit? GTA: Underground GTA: Liberty City GTA State of Liberty GTAV on San Andreas Vice Cry Liberty City Stories: PC Edition Vice City Stories: PC Edition & many more But why? There's two theories so far, these DMCA claims specifically state they're hunting for any mentions of Liberty City, Vice City, San Andreas, Bullworth and Carcer City. Most people are hoping this confirms the existence of the heavily rumoured GTA III/VC/SA Remasters (or Remakes) where as the other theory is that Take-Two are using this as an opportunity to flex their muscles and hide behind the upcoming large update for GTA Online as they hope most websites will be focused on that. Reactions This has already caused some uproar on Twitter and Discords, with the biggest loss coming from Silent who has announced he's no longer interested in working on any GTA projects/mods after this as modders shouldn't feel threatened for improving things: So what do people here think of this situation? Can anything be done? Are you happy about this or angry? Do you think Take-Two's tactic of doing this before a major GTAO update will work? Will this even see the news? Last time they only stood down after both the community and gaming media worked together, will that happen again? EDIT: Sunday Update... For those of you just joining us I thought I'd make it clear what the new rule is that practically covers all modding, in the updated agreement this part was added in: Quote or (iv) making new games, stories, missions, or maps. So let's break that down: Games = Literally means no changing the original aspects of their gameplay, so all those famous script mods out there that add like the Avengers or Titans from Attack on Titan, etc, into Los Santos are now forbidden Stories = No original fan stories, this woulkd cover people making their own smaller DLC like content and scripts, covers projects The 95' Story for example Missions = Falls in line with the above, but also covers things like LSPD Roleplays, NoPixel, etc, literally the thing keeping them popular on Twitch Maps = Now here's a big one, we've been told we're NOT allowed to port maps from older games, not allowed to port maps from other games, but now we're not allowed to create ORIGINAL maps too? This covers things like Tiki Islands, etc To add more to this post, we've also heard from a manager over at ModDB who has stated that they've tried to resolve this issue with Take-Two but sadly were ignored... Edited July 18, 2021 by Ash_735 Tru Company, Mainline421, HOW'S ANNIE? and 133 others 126 1 3 5 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
videotechuk_ Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I'm certainly doing my part to cover this for you folks, this is absolutely not acceptable. CynicalMexican, Ash_735, Dom. and 35 others 38 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANDHEIST Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Stay classy Take Two Kalvin, Tru Company, Calm and 18 others 12 1 1 7 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkluin Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) This is just sad. Edited July 17, 2021 by dkluin - Disco -, inkoalawetrust, Davve95 and 14 others 16 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Don't think there's ever been or ever will be a more appropriate time to use this... dekurwinator, Hellion, deathdealer and 35 others 20 1 17 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaue Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 WELP... Take-Down has taken down yet another comment it seems @dkluin Crystalien 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Bogdanoff Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 >not posting gif Jestic, Tru Company, XD_Avedis_AD and 23 others 11 15 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinx. Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Weren't they talking in their meme E3 presentation about how they were "investing in youth, promoting young game developers"? What a joke. RyanDri3957V, videotechuk_, DuduLima and 43 others 30 16 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorshZontek Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Lame Crystalien and CynicalMexican 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 5:03 PM, Sneed said: >not posting gif the picture's better nerd Calm, Zello, Crystalien and 10 others 1 2 10 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
met. Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 This can't fly under the radar. Rockstar Games has to come clear on the subject - if they're not interested in modding anymore they should just say it and the community should move on. If the huge volume of players (for instance, FiveM's player base) leaves it'll hit hard and they'll learn from the mistakes. Yhdf, deathdealer, Starbeth and 18 others 19 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowTierDude Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 It's over guys Someone pls make a new GTA style IP already to replace this nonsense Cutter De Blanc, Róbert Bock, RyanDri3957V and 15 others 17 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
const96b Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Really weird considering that these mods were available to download for years. It can't be for nothing. I would put my bet on 3D era remakes. It wouldn't make sense in a way though cause they definitely aren't keeping the old maps for these remakes. So the old maps shouldn't really affect the remade games in any way. Either way though, I'm sure backups of these mods will start rising on the internet soon. boomboom5950, SlingShot753, RyanDri3957V and 12 others 15 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yhdf Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Good move, Take two, really helps getting one of the biggest modding communities against you... This along with microtransactions are what took the respect away long ago Rip the Rockstar games we knew. BOT.EXE, blaue, Xane_MM and 30 others 33 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacik19 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 this is ridiculous, so many great mods and memories... BANGBANGBANG whole T2 Crystalien, inkoalawetrust, Shagg_E and 11 others 13 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
opiumdealer Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 this is seriously unacceptable, some of these mods existed for more than a decade , just f*cking stop already, people putted a lot of efforts in these projects, even if there's a low sh*tty quality remakes in the development Jeansowaty, firedihm, Davve95 and 16 others 19 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilist. Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) I was hoping there'd be a better reason for me to crawl out of my cave and return to the forums, but here we are. I found out about this earlier today thanks to @dkluin's report, and later on got some deeper insight about it thanks to @Ash_735. This is so, so wrong. Just like that, half of our modding scene gone, with a single snap of corproate fingers. I am shocked, disgusted and heartbroken, seeing so many projects taken down one by one, erased from existence. All the passion, all the hard work our talented modders put into them, all gone with no trace. Respect to Ash, Vanillaworks and @Silent for highlighting this travesty on Twitter, by the way. Hopefully we'll gain some attention from pundits and media outlets. I'm done with anything even remotely related to Take Two. Never gonna buy a thing from these corporate f*cks (I was already boycotting 2K for few years, so may as well go all the way now). Cortana, play Ministry's Thieves. Edited July 17, 2021 by Nihilist. guard3, zBiglucky, videotechuk_ and 33 others 36 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afowlia Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 If the GTA Trilogy theory is true, then I can imagine that sacrificing some of the biggest GTA mods is worth it for some shoddy and lazily made remakes/remasters. wwwwandrarijaz, Adminsaredicks, BadaBing_1996 and 8 others 11 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan1997GTA Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Of all the scummy business practices that Take-Two pulled, this is probably in the top 5. This moment is like a major hate crime against the GTA modding community. Taking down re3 and reVC was bad enough, but this is the last straw. You don't see Bethesda doing this kind of sh*t with Doom mods, or EA with mods for Need for Speed games, like NFS Carbon Battle Royale and NFS Most Wanted: Pepega Edition! I shall therefore dub this moment the GTAgate scandal. Edited July 17, 2021 by Ivan1997GTA RyanDri3957V, Crystalien, Róbert Bock and 7 others 10 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grichka Bogdanoff Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Hopefully GTANet and the other major GTA websites/people make some posts or articles to raise awareness against this unacceptable sh*t Take Two & Rockstar have been pulling. Maybe some bigger websites will then pick up the story and a sh*tstorm will follow. We changed their minds once, we can do it again. As long as people prefer the modding community's integrity over special merchandise and other special benefits. Ivan1997GTA, MonoChrome213, inkoalawetrust and 11 others 14 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinx. Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 7:04 PM, Jinx. said: Weren't they talking in their meme E3 presentation about how they were "investing in youth, promoting young game developers"? What a joke. At around minute 35 when their presentation started, they were talking about investing in youth. Curb your curiosity. Róbert Bock, Afowlia, RyanDri3957V and 7 others 5 1 4 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 So they’re just banning ports/remasters? (Granted it’s hard to find original non port or remaster map mods but still I don’t hear anything about them taking down gostown) RyanDri3957V 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ambient] Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 A completely pointless move, but you know Take-Two's new face since the remastered GTA V's Online days. They don't care about their games' communities/fandoms/etc. They only care about money. That's the dark side of capitalism for you. NOW, SHUT THE HELL UP WITH YOUR MODS, GO BUY MORE SHARK CARDS! MY BREAKFAST IN A LUXURY RESTAURANT WON'T PAY ITSELF. BS_BlackScout, loneshxdow, Shagg_E and 13 others 8 8 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
opiumdealer Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 5:18 PM, Jinx. said: At around minute 35 when their presentation started, they were talking about investing in youth. Curb your curiosity. just look at the dislikes, oh god Xane_MM, RyanDri3957V, Crystalien and 3 others 6 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooST4R Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 wdym by "restaurant"? they have no point in going to restaurants, sh*t is made right there on their yachts or in their mansions Jeansowaty, Calm, CRAZY AL WARD and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MK_ Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Take2dicks at it again trying to stop the modding community, why? they clearly can see that many people are having a blast playing with mods, unlike their boring garbage GTAO that's made to target kiddos that spend the night crying begging their folks to buy them a sharkcard so they can roll around LS with a dollar sign rim and flying bikes. Now regardless of what their real reason is if it was to ban mods for maps that they want to bring back or simply so to try to turn people into playing Online, it all ends up as eliminating the competition. Have a play time of 3500+ hours on GTAV and that's because of mods and not because of vanilla game, would have probably had a play time of 300 and that's it if it wasn't for mods. And don't say "Rockstar is innocent", they are not, T2 is doing this with the blessing of Rockstar and for those who truly know Rockstar and aren't fanboys know that Rockstar are no fans of mods and always place the PC community at the bottom, other companies give you modding tools for their games and release the PC version alongside the consoles and what does Rockstar and Take2dicks do? always deliberately hold off the PC version for last, create scripts that remove new Online content in SP, ban and send threats to modders that work hours and hours to share their work for free so people can simply enjoy without having to use their damn mastercard whenever something new shows up. Edited July 17, 2021 by _MK_ CynicalMexican, Kiyone_Alien_Cop, Crystalien and 26 others 29 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
65536 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Oh, NO! They removed ViceCry which was for the original ViceCity game, and was truly NOT a port for any other GTA game?!? I liked this conversion and have it installed, but now - NO ONE have permission do play it at all anymore. I still can't accept when T2 had completely blocked OpenIV's team from releasing their GTA IV map for GTA V! No one could enjoy this because that conversion got NO SINGLE RELEASE available, they left us with the OpenIV's teaser screenshots from the conversion only, nothing else! Edited July 17, 2021 by 65536 Crystalien, boomboom5950, Ivan1997GTA and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimeball supreme Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Quote This does not apply to (i) multiplayer or online services; (ii) tools, files, libraries, or functions that could be used to impact multiplayer or online services, or (iii) use or importation of other IP (including other Rockstar IP) in the project; or (iv) making new games, stories, missions, or maps. this essentially umbrella bans most things immediately lmfao. jesus christ what a hit Jeansowaty, theNGclan, Xane_MM and 7 others 10 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapper Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 9:58 PM, _MK_ said: And don't say "Rockstar is innocent, they are not, T2 is doing this with the blessing of Rockstar and for those who truly know Rockstar and aren't fanboys know that Rockstar are no fans of mods and always place the PC community at the bottom, other companies give you modding tools for their games and release the PC version alongside the consoles and what does Rockstar and Take2dicks do? always deliberately hold off the PC version for last I don't know about how Rockstar were before the Hot-Coffee mod fiasco but it very much makes they became hostile towards modders after it. Róbert Bock, Ivan1997GTA, DeltaV20 and 3 others 6 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvin Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 5:33 PM, Zapper said: I don't know about how Rockstar were before the Hot-Coffee mod fiasco but it very much makes they became hostile towards modders after it. I don't know about Rockstar explicitly, but DMA actually released some of their tools for the 2D games for the community to toy with! Rockstar even messed around with modders own tools for GTA3 on things such as carcols, handling, etc during the development of Vice City, if I recall correctly. MrGTAmodsgerman, Róbert Bock, Calm and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/973749-take-two-changes-the-agreement-modding-take-downs/#findComment-1071588328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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